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Malva
Jun 6th, 2008, 07:25 AM
It has been observed recently in Radwańska's subforum that there is much coercion between fans of Ana and fans of Agnieszka. I haven't checked how accurate are these findings -- I accept them at their face value.

I pondered about the possible reasons and I admit they are not clear to me.

The two girls, at least to me, don't seem to have much in common. Their game is very different, they look very different and, finally, they even act differently.

So I am curious.

Several active supporters of Ana are more or less constant presence at this subforum. Several more have been in the past demonstrating their support for Agnieszka against her opponents.

Would you be so kind and share whatever insights you may have into why you support both Ana and Agnieszka?

I hope this thread may deepen existing bonds between supporters of the two girls.

Pszczelny
Jun 6th, 2008, 10:59 AM
it's a random thing, not all Aga fans like Ivanović

sharapovarulz1
Jun 6th, 2008, 01:01 PM
I think it's just a coincidence :)

cocco80
Jun 6th, 2008, 08:19 PM
Well, I don't know exactly why and surely I can only speak on my behalf anyway..
The thing is I came here being an Ana fan but I was warming to Aga for quite some time but didn't realize it until recently.
There are two main reasons why I like her. First, it's her game which I find to be extremely intelligent. You can see how she constructs the point in her head and that she's thinking few steps ahead in the process. I guess in a way she has to as she's not some big, strong gal who can overpower her opponent yet she manages to do just that in some way.
I loooove her dropshots. They are piece of art. She makes tennis look elegant..you cannot say that for many players. She is unique and a tough cookie. She plays the game as if it were a chess game.
The other thing I like about her is that she keeps a cool head and doesn't show any emotion. It just falls nicely into a whole "story about Aga".
I like her. I just do.

Ana is completely different type of player. We all know that but I enjoy her game just as much. I love her power and those feisty forhands of hers.

The bottom line, I appreciate them as they are. Don't want them to change cuz I see them as complete players and individuals no matter how different they are.

To me Ana and Aga combo makes perfect sense.

Dexter
Jun 6th, 2008, 08:25 PM
The answer is simple: they both rock. Period.

Malva
Jun 6th, 2008, 08:44 PM
Well, I don't know exactly why and surely I can only speak on my behalf anyway..
The thing is I came here being an Ana fan but I was warming to Aga for quite some time but didn't realize it until recently.
There are two main reasons why I like her. First, it's her game which I find to be extremely intelligent. You can see how she constructs the point in her head and that she's thinking few steps ahead in the process. I guess in a way she has to as she's not some big, strong gal who can overpower her opponent yet she manages to do just that in some way.
I loooove her dropshots. They are piece of art. She makes tennis look elegant..you cannot say that for many players. She is unique and a tough cookie. She plays the game as if it were a chess game.
The other thing I like about her is that she keeps a cool head and doesn't show any emotion. It just falls nicely into a whole "story about Aga".
I like her. I just do.

Ana is completely different type of player. We all know that but I enjoy her game just as much. I love her power and those feisty forhands of hers.

The bottom line, I appreciate them as they are. Don't want them to change cuz I see them as complete players and individuals no matter how different they are.

To me Ana and Aga combo makes perfect sense.

A very eloquent response. Cocco articulated remarkably well what I could have said in response to the question why I like Agnieszka so much (I didn't know who she actually was before watching her against Sharapova at the U.S. Open). Hardly I could have said that better.

Cocco seems to like both Ana and Aga because they are mutually complementary. This hasn't dawned on me before but seems to be a perfect reason and a perfect answer.

So, now somebody else's turn. Perhaps Dexter? Dexter says he lives and studies in Kraków, so his support for the Radwański sisters is self-explanatory. But his first "love" was and remains Ana, at least this is my impression. Can you tell us, Dexter, anything about it?

Malva
Jun 6th, 2008, 08:47 PM
Ah, it seems Dexter was reading my mind while I was composing my post.

His answer is very succinct.

papru
Jun 6th, 2008, 10:01 PM
Cocco :kiss:

SOA_MC
Jun 6th, 2008, 10:26 PM
It just clicks you either like people or you don't and I don't see what having different game styles and personas have to do with anything. It's like friends there are some you can go to the football and joke around with and others you can talk about politics and world events to. I don't put one group of friends above the other I like them both for who they are

Side note: There are two Jankovic fans here who are Ana haters (You know who I'm talking about:tape:) but even more shocking than that is there's a Pova fan who likes Aga:eek:

Malva
Jun 6th, 2008, 11:24 PM
It just clicks you either like people or you don't and I don't see what having different game styles and personas have to do with anything. It's like friends there are some you can go to the football and joke around with and others you can talk about politics and world events to. I don't put one group of friends above the other I like them both for who they are


Thanks for your entry, BDS321. So, the answer of BDS321 is: it's purely irrational.

I don't see immediately a parallel with making friends though. After all, for nearly all of us the only contact we make with top professional tennis players is by watching them play, and most of the time on a TV or computer screen. So, for me for example, whom do I support is very much predetermined by their behavior on and off court.

You make friends in real life, on the other hand, through a direct personal contact, and I stress the word direct.

Maybe by repeatedly meeting and spending time with somebody, or by forging spiritual bonds by writing to each other for a long period of time.


Side note: There are two Jankovic fans here who are Ana haters (You know who I'm talking about:tape:) but even more shocking than that is there's a Pova fan who likes Aga:eek:

Strong rivalry brings tension unfortunately. I suppose if the two Serbian girls were showing a lot of affection to each other their fans would do the same and basically form the same camp.

Regarding Sharapova. I may surprise you, BDS321, but when Sharapova made her meteoric entry in 2004, I became her instant fan. And despite feeling warm to a number of other players like Anastasia Myskina, Kim Clijsters, and more recently, Justine Hénin, I still was essentially her fan until the last U.S. Open when I saw Agnieszka playing against her.

I have to say that the two CBS commentators who were covering that match were very gracious, and were saying great things about Agnieszka throughout the whole match. Their nice comments certainly predisposed me well towards her.

Since then I began following her career, and after the Australian Open I realized I really liked her game.

Returning to Sharapova: I admire her many undeniable, in my opinion, qualities. What puts me off though is her incessant shrieking noises on the court (it really does), her fist pumping, and her rather one-dimensional very aggressive game whose only purpose is to win the match.

I freely admit, I am rather going to support a player whose game possesses elegance, cunning, and variety of shots, whether she wins or loses, over a player who nearly always wins but whose game is, sorry to say that, ugly.

And, not to forget Maria's supporters at various tennis forums... For some reason the ones I was exposed to were gloating fanatics, and I am talking about my experience from other fora as well, not just TennisForum. I know that this is not Sharapova's fault as well as that not all Sharapova's fans are alike. Still...

So, I loved to support Sharapova in the days when she was an underdog, but today my sympathy is firmly with Agnieszka.

justine schnyder
Jun 7th, 2008, 12:28 AM
Over all I think it's a coincidence.
It is notable fact ecuase we're not a big fanbase (But a great one though :) ), there are quite a few here who like Ana as well, but over all I think it doesn't have a certain reason, every fan has his own taste, the players he likes from his reasons and it's just came out this way.

I personally love Aga's game, the talent, the veraity, the all around play, she can basiclly play from anywhere in the court, diffence, attack, has good volley.. Her game is very joyable to watch.
Plus I like her spirit n court, always looks calm, and never stops fighting, no matter whats the result and whose the opponent.
Love you Aga :hearts:

sharapovarulz1
Jun 7th, 2008, 12:32 AM
I think that is me ;) Simple words I love Aga's game, her sweet personnality and just who she is as a player and a person! :D

Pszczelny
Jun 7th, 2008, 07:25 AM
Well, I don't know exactly why and surely I can only speak on my behalf anyway..
The thing is I came here being an Ana fan but I was warming to Aga for quite some time but didn't realize it until recently.
There are two main reasons why I like her. First, it's her game which I find to be extremely intelligent. You can see how she constructs the point in her head and that she's thinking few steps ahead in the process. I guess in a way she has to as she's not some big, strong gal who can overpower her opponent yet she manages to do just that in some way.
I loooove her dropshots. They are piece of art. She makes tennis look elegant..you cannot say that for many players. She is unique and a tough cookie. She plays the game as if it were a chess game.
The other thing I like about her is that she keeps a cool head and doesn't show any emotion. It just falls nicely into a whole "story about Aga".
I like her. I just do.

Ana is completely different type of player. We all know that but I enjoy her game just as much. I love her power and those feisty forhands of hers.

The bottom line, I appreciate them as they are. Don't want them to change cuz I see them as complete players and individuals no matter how different they are.

To me Ana and Aga combo makes perfect sense.

that's like a poetry for me, it's a great pleasure to read such comments by you or others :)
from all Aga's things I love, the most important for me is the improvement she made since I saw her first time (Wimbledon 2005), this makes me sure she can be a champion in the future, maybe even near future :worship:

Pszczelny
Jun 7th, 2008, 07:31 AM
Side note: There are two Jankovic fans here who are Ana haters (You know who I'm talking about:tape:) but even more shocking than that is there's a Pova fan who likes Aga:eek:

yeah,that's quite unusual :lol:
but it only proves again it's a random thing with the cheering, for me it doesn't matter who cheers for who and who dislikes who, we're here to admire Aga :)

Dexter
Jun 7th, 2008, 09:07 AM
So, now somebody else's turn. Perhaps Dexter? Dexter says he lives and studies in Kraków, so his support for the Radwański sisters is self-explanatory. But his first "love" was and remains Ana, at least this is my impression. Can you tell us, Dexter, anything about it?My first love was actually Justine. She's the one thanks to who I discovered tennis and started to follow it with such passion. Everything changed when I saw a particular 16 yo in Zurich 2004. She became my #1 and main object of focus on WTA and it will never change. For next years my only actual faves were them... Ana & Justine. I got to know Aga during her breakthrough tournament in Warsaw 2006. Her match against Myskina, which I was watching in person remains the best tennis-match I've ever watched in person. :worship: But I have to admit I was cheering more for Aga, because she's Polish and even though I don't share the opinion that you're almost obliged to cheer for your fellow compatriot, I do support most of Poles. Aga always was my favourite player (even though I still see more potential in Ulka). Warsaw also was a place when I had the pleasure to talk to both Aga & Ana. To Aga just briefly, but she was extremely nice and tactful. Ana is adorable too, the nicest player I've met (without any bias believe it or not). People claiming she's a bitch, make me laugh out loud. She's just a fierce competitor who wants to win as much as it gets. The accusations of cheating make me laugh as well... People do not see she's the one to concede points in matches when there's a close call and she knows the call is incorrect, applauds opponent's good shots (as it was the case yesterday :rolleyes:), but people will see what they want to see. And be my guests guys. :wavey:
The games of Ana & Aga couldn't be more different comparing to each other. And whilst I prefer the big babe style of tennis, watching Aga is extremely refreshing and you appreciate it even more when you notice how few of them are able to play more with brain than power. Aga's body isn't as suited to this game as other's girls, but I feel she can do it the way Justine did. They both have/had to overcome some adversities, but I'm optimistic about Aga's future. What is great to see, is that each time I watch Aga I see new improvements. She's getting stronger, she's getting fitter and the future is bright for her. :)
I have to say Aga is nowhere near close to Ana's status to me. I don't think I will ever have the same passion for Aga as I have for Ana. Following Ana's career from being outside of top100 to the top of the rankings makes me feel almost like a proud father. Justine was the 2nd person I was able to call myself a fan of, but it was more in appreciative way. I didn't have the same passion either, but she's been always my hero and it will stay this way. The day she retired will remain the darkest day of tennis since I started to follow it more than 5 years ago. Apart from Ana & Justine, I like/d many player, but wasn't fave of them. Like I said I cheered Aga from the beginning more because she's my compatriot. With Justine's departure I feel like Aga is taking her place.

Malva
Jun 7th, 2008, 11:02 AM
I read Dexter's long story twice not to miss any details. Thank you for writing it up, Dexter!

One can say that Dexter's involvement with Ana Ivanović has a nearly personal dimension for he was following Ana's development long before she became well known. I wonder how many of us could say something similar. Certainly not me. The closest would be for me to say that I could meet Michael Chang on the Berkeley campus when he was playing for the University of California and was already universally recognized as a rising star of men's tennis.

Dexter, allow me to ask a few questions. Have you been to that Zürich 2004 tournament in person? If yes, what have you been doing there? Just an 18-year old tennis fan and a spectator, or you had some connection to tennis? Have you been to any of Ana's matches? And how by the way are you able to combine studying with such a deep involvement in the TennisForum?

You are saying you live and study in Agnieszka's home town Kraków, so what does the French flag do next to your nickname? (I hope I am not asking too personal questions.)

Dexter
Jun 7th, 2008, 12:21 PM
My attention to Ana is indeed personal, at least it became such when I met her in Warsaw. I weren't there in Zurich, I just watched it on TV. In fact, tennis wasn't my favourite sport's discipline by then. I only followed Justine's result, which included checking the scores once, maybe twice per week and watching matches when it was possible (not that often). I remember Zurich 2004 like it was yesterday, I wasn't planning to watch tennis that day. I turned TV randomly and there was Ana playing Tatiana, the match which was absolutely remarkable with Ana winning 76 in the 3rd after overcoming 1-5 deficit and saving a MP. It was just a moment when you know, that what happened was something special. I couldn't help, but getting more and more devoted to following her career.
It was a great experience to watch her live when she attended J&S Cup in 2006. I've been to all her matches (singles & doubles) and it was great to be recognized by her after each of her games. She really does appreciate support of her fans and I know it not only from my personal experience.
I'm a passionate person, so when I feel affection to something I'm getting fully involved. There's no problem in balancing my passions and studying (where I'm more than fine at).
As for the last question it is indeed personal, so let's just say I've got personal connections in the city where current Grand Slam is underway. :angel: But by the way, don't be deceived by the country-flags over here... in many cases they have next to nothing to do with poster's descent.

papru
Jun 7th, 2008, 12:46 PM
I guess I was taken to the blackboard...

I am one of these two Ana's haters :devil: proud hater! :armed:

sharapovarulz1
Jun 7th, 2008, 05:08 PM
yeah,that's quite unusual :lol:
but it only proves again it's a random thing with the cheering, for me it doesn't matter who cheers for who and who dislikes who, we're here to admire Aga :)

Exactly :D

AndreConrad
Jun 7th, 2008, 05:56 PM
I guess to be not left out I have to say something why I am here on this board. I am a little different than Dexter. There is a part of me that cheers for Agnieszka purely for being my compatriot, perhaps that is a first generation emigrant syndrome. Luckily she is all what all of you mentioned. She has the potential in my opinion to be number one player despite of not having the “big hit”; I guess she is one of the players that can prove superiority of the brain over muscles. For the rest of the players, I like them all; I love tennis. I have only slight problem with players that are too arrogant, but this doesn’t stop me from enjoying great tennis if they can produce it. Ana produces great tennis; never noticed that she is too arrogant. Why wouldn’t I like her? Emotional outbursts don’t bother me most of the time. These gals are under a lot of pressure; if they can focus 100% on tennis instead controlling their reactions they are more likely to win. Therefore, screams, shrieks, fist-pumps or other not controlled, or semi-controlled gestures will happen and I am fine with them as long as the tennis is great.

sharapovarulz1
Jun 7th, 2008, 06:12 PM
I guess I was taken to the blackboard...

I am one of these two Ana's haters :devil: proud hater! :armed:

:lol::lol:

Malva
Jun 8th, 2008, 04:49 AM
I am raising a glass of a very fine wine* for Ana and her fans, especially the ones we have pleasure to meet at Agnieszka's subforum.

[* Friedrich-Wilhelms-Gymnasium :: Klüsserather Bruderschaft vineayard :: 1998 Riesling Auslese; that was a splendid year...]

I guess I was taken to the blackboard...

I am one of these two Ana's haters :devil: proud hater! :armed:

Proud hater? Papru, I sometimes wish you tried to be more subtle...

Emotional outbursts don’t bother me most of the time. These gals are under a lot of pressure; if they can focus 100% on tennis instead controlling their reactions they are more likely to win. Therefore, screams, shrieks, fist-pumps or other not controlled, or semi-controlled gestures will happen and I am fine with them as long as the tennis is great.

When I was learning tennis as a child, I had been constantly reminded that tennis was not just yet another sport, in tennis good manners on the court were obligatory, were a must. I am absolutely certain that any shrieking, screaming player would be first reprimended by an umpire, and subsequently disqualified.

Not long ago all tennis players at all tournaments were expected to wear white clothes. I am sure that was not accidental. It was part of that special aura surrounding tennis versus all those 'vulgar' sports around. Today only Wimbledon enforces the all-white requirement, and I am cheering for the Brits on account of that.

Curiously, the public at tennis matches is still expected to behave, due to fallacious, in my opinion, premise that its noisy behavior may distract players. If this was the case, then why the players themselves are allowed to behave in such a distracting manner?

For, I am pretty sure that when shrieking/screaming ladies began appearing for the first time on the courts, they must have been terribly distracting to their opponents. Today this is no more regarded an issue only due to how common it became.

So, for me, what I see today on the courts is not progress, it is erosion of standards. Any kind of behavior will find its apologete finding 'reasons' and defending it. Many among those who say they don't mind such behavior, are young, and simply cannot remember what for long decades was an accepted standard.

I can easily imagine sometime in the future, a chess grossmeister jumping up from his seat after every move he makes, pumping up his fist, and dancing around like a clown (what we observe today on stadiums).

papru
Jun 8th, 2008, 10:09 AM
Sorry to disappoint you Malva but I am what I am and I will not try to be subtle as I see no reason... There are some players I cant stand and I dont even bother to try to like them... If somebody is making any kind of comments concerning my persona then I am not affraid to say what I mean...

Dexter
Jun 8th, 2008, 10:31 AM
I'm not quite sure what are you doing in this thread then. It was intended for fans of both Aga & Ana, so being a hater of Ana kind of eliminates you from discussion. Not to mention you didn't have anything constructive to say apart from I'm a hater!!!!!111

SOA_MC
Jun 8th, 2008, 10:33 AM
Sorry to disappoint you Malva but I am what I am and I will not try to be subtle as I see no reason... There are some players I cant stand and I dont even bother to try to like them... If somebody is making any kind of comments concerning my persona then I am not affraid to say what I mean...

Hater = Whiner Are you a whiner Papru?:baby:

justine schnyder
Jun 8th, 2008, 10:39 AM
Hater = Whiner Are you a whiner Papru?:baby:
I don't understand how the fact that someone hates some player makes him a whiner :comfused:
And I don't understand why you take it so seiriously.. So he hates your fave.. Big deal

Dexter
Jun 8th, 2008, 10:46 AM
There's no big deal about hating our fave. I accept it and respect people's choices. What I don't understand is picking at somebody at every opportunity possible even in a place when there's no space for it.

Malva
Jun 8th, 2008, 10:48 AM
Sorry to disappoint you Malva but I am what I am and I will not try to be subtle as I see no reason... There are some players I cant stand and I dont even bother to try to like them... If somebody is making any kind of comments concerning my persona then I am not affraid to say what I mean...

Try, try, please... papru, please, try to be more subtle in the future...

Even if at this very moment you do not see any reason. Do this for me, or for somebody you really like. One day you may see the reason, but before this day comes all of us will be rejoicing here... :wavey:

justine schnyder
Jun 8th, 2008, 10:51 AM
There's no big deal about hating our fave. I accept it and respect people's choices. What I don't understand is picking at somebody at every opportunity possible even in a place when there's no space for it.

Yeah, but still, hating a player has nothing to do with whining.

Dexter
Jun 8th, 2008, 10:56 AM
At times it does.

Malva
Jun 8th, 2008, 11:09 AM
At times it does.

I don't see any connection between the two either -- justine_schnyder was right to point that out.

Hating is always better avoided -- it poisons your soul, and your surroundings. But if hate you must, keep it to yourself, please don't go trumpeting about it all around, and especially spare us declaring how proud are you of this fact.

This serves absolutely no purpose other than to inflame and antagonize.

kolan
Jun 8th, 2008, 11:16 AM
i think it is really conincidental. aga has been my favourite tennis player for about a year now - before then it was tati and justine for me. at the moment for me the three players which i like most behind aga are ana, tati and chaky. a lot of people on the forum maybe like aga but dislike chaky - its just personal preference. i like any player that can show emotion on a court because it is hard to not want them to win if it means that much to them. i respect all these professional tennis players for all the dedication they put in. my point is that everyone is different and will have different second faves even if their fave is the same. even though papru maybe an ana hater, he may one day actually respect or even like ana. just because people have differing opinions, it shouldnt be argued about, it should be accepted that people feel different ways about players

ill leave it there because i might end up starting an argument myself and i dont wanna do that :tape:

.....oh yeah and to answer the question, ana and aga both do rock for me :yeah:

justine schnyder
Jun 8th, 2008, 11:20 AM
i think it is really conincidental. aga has been my favourite tennis player for about a year now - before then it was tati and justine for me. at the moment for me the three players which i like most behind aga are ana, tati and chaky. a lot of people on the forum maybe like aga but dislike chaky - its just personal preference. i like any player that can show emotion on a court because it is hard to not want them to win if it means that much to them. i respect all these professional tennis players for all the dedication they put in. my point is that everyone is different and will have different second faves even if their fave is the same. even though papru maybe an ana hater, he may one day actually respect or even like ana. just because people have differing opinions, it shouldnt be argued about, it should be accepted that people feel different ways about players

ill leave it there because i might end up starting an argument myself and i dont wanna do that :tape:

.....oh yeah and to answer the question, ana and aga both do rock for me :yeah:

Agree with your post! :yeah:

And I don't remmeber you'veer posted here, so welcome! :wavey: :)

kolan
Jun 8th, 2008, 11:26 AM
Agree with your post! :yeah:

And I don't remmeber you'veer posted here, so welcome! :wavey: :)

i used to be wtatommo till my name change neta ;)

justine schnyder
Jun 8th, 2008, 11:31 AM
i used to be wtatommo till my name change neta ;)

Ohh oops, so I remmember you :D

Welcome back then!

papru
Jun 8th, 2008, 11:35 AM
What constructive should I say? There's nothing constructive about Ana's game :lol: she's another stupid ball basher, her reactions on court are unbearable - this forced fistpumping, stupid screams or this new one - a'la ballerina turnover :inlove: :tape: and off court she's so sweet that it makes me sick 'everything is so amazing, the crowd is so amazing, the match was so amazing, this feeling is so amazing...', plus her box is freaking annoying...
as long as Jelena is more beloved in Serbia than Ana I am satisfied :angel:

Malva
Jun 8th, 2008, 11:37 AM
i think it is really conincidental. aga has been my favourite tennis player for about a year now - before then it was tati and justine for me. at the moment for me the three players which i like most behind aga are ana, tati and chaky. a lot of people on the forum maybe like aga but dislike chaky - its just personal preference. i like any player that can show emotion on a court because it is hard to not want them to win if it means that much to them. i respect all these professional tennis players for all the dedication they put in. my point is that everyone is different and will have different second faves even if their fave is the same. even though papru maybe an ana hater, he may one day actually respect or even like ana. just because people have differing opinions, it shouldnt be argued about, it should be accepted that people feel different ways about players

ill leave it there because i might end up starting an argument myself and i dont wanna do that :tape:

.....oh yeah and to answer the question, ana and aga both do rock for me :yeah:

Thank you, kolan, for your entry.

Some people here say that being a fan of both Ana and Aga they think is purely coincidental. Note, that this thread is more about sharing your stories than about deciding whether it is, or it is not.

Some of you, especially, the ones who arrived recently, or were away for a long period of time (pszczelny), may have missed that indeed at least twice on this subforum it has been observed by several forum members that generally there is coercion and mutual liking between the two camps. Can we say that with regard to any other player? Probably not.

I didn't contest these findings, I didn't try to verify them, I took them for granted.

I am grateful to all of you who have something constructive and interesting to say. You may also tell us about your own road to becoming a tennis fan, as for example Dexter did.

If you like, I may broaden the scope of the thread in order to include all of you who support Agnieszka.

In that case tell us, please, how you became a tennis fan in the first place. Whom did you support in the past, whom besides Agnieszka do you support now, and finally, why do you support Agnieszka. I am sure I will not be the only one enjoying reading this, and we already had some beautiful and interesting posts.

just because people have differing opinions, it shouldnt be argued about, it should be accepted that people feel different ways about players


Arguing is fine, polluting the forum with hateful and irresponsible messages is not. By the way, people can argue only when they have differing opinions.

SOA_MC
Jun 8th, 2008, 11:37 AM
I don't understand how the fact that someone hates some player makes him a whiner :comfused:
And I don't understand why you take it so seiriously.. So he hates your fave.. Big deal

I guess I was taken to the blackboard...

I am one of these two Ana's haters :devil: proud hater! :armed:


Sorry to disappoint you Malva but I am what I am and I will not try to be subtle as I see no reason... There are some players I cant stand and I dont even bother to try to like them... If somebody is making any kind of comments concerning my persona then I am not affraid to say what I mean...

Highlighted sections say it all:rolleyes: After every fucking Ana match there is a "Ana fistpump" thread among other Anti-Ana threads created by "Non subtle people" If Papru wants to be non subtle a proud hater and throw shit around I also will be non subtle in throwing some shit back Aga fan or not

Non subtle hater does = Whiner because they never shut the fuck up say the same thing over and over and over again when that happens their words cease from having an opinion to just whining saying things with the only intention to bash for entertainment, bring down, hurt, push buttons etc.

I don't care if you or Papru don't like Ana you can say why if you feel like it but if either of you go from an opinion to just talking shit I will let you know exactly what I think of you in a non subtle way

SOA_MC
Jun 8th, 2008, 11:47 AM
What constructive should I say? There's nothing constructive about Ana's game :lol: she's another stupid ball basher, her reactions on court are unbearable - this forced fistpumping, stupid screams or this new one - a'la ballerina turnover :inlove: :tape: and off court she's so sweet that it makes me sick 'everything is so amazing, the crowd is so amazing, the match was so amazing, this feeling is so amazing...', plus her box is freaking annoying...
as long as Jelena is more beloved in Serbia than Ana I am satisfied :angel:

And have you heard the non-stop crap from JJ fans about their favorite she's just so crazy and wild she the greatest ever look she just tied her shoe laces in the greatest way ever so awesome:inlove: and when she whines about an injury after every match I go googa because she's awesome the injury timeouts are so awesome when she drinks some water at the change of ends she's awesome JJ your so crazy everthing you do no matter how routine is just so fucking awesome JJ the greatest EVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRRRR:weirdo:

Malva
Jun 8th, 2008, 11:48 AM
What constructive should I say? There's nothing constructive about Ana's game :lol: she's another stupid ball basher, her reactions on court are unbearable - this forced fistpumping, stupid screams or this new one - a'la ballerina turnover :inlove: :tape: and off court she's so sweet that it makes me sick 'everything is so amazing, the crowd is so amazing, the match was so amazing, this feeling is so amazing...', plus her box is freaking annoying...
as long as Jelena is more beloved in Serbia than Ana I am satisfied :angel:

Tell us instead about your own road to become a tennis fan and especially an ardent follower of both Agnieszka and Jelena.

Dexter
Jun 8th, 2008, 11:49 AM
What constructive should I say? There's nothing constructive about Ana's game :lol: she's another stupid ball basher, her reactions on court are unbearable - this forced fistpumping, stupid screams or this new one - a'la ballerina turnover :inlove: :tape: and off court she's so sweet that it makes me sick 'everything is so amazing, the crowd is so amazing, the match was so amazing, this feeling is so amazing...', plus her box is freaking annoying...
as long as Jelena is more beloved in Serbia than Ana I am satisfied :angel:Nobody asked about your personal opinion about Ana. It's not the subject of this thread. Can you read the the title of it at all?

justine schnyder
Jun 8th, 2008, 11:52 AM
If you like I may broaden the scope of the thread in order to include all of you who support Agnieszka. In that case tell us how you became a tennis fan in the first place. About whom did you support in the past, whom besides Agnieszka do you support now, and finally, why do you support Agnieszka. I am sure I will not be the only one enjoying reading this, and we already had some beautiful and interesting posts.


Ohh I like this idea :yeah:


Highlighted sections say it all:rolleyes: After every fucking Ana match there is a "Ana fistpump" thread among other Anti-Ana threads created by "Non subtle people" If Papru wants to be non subtle a proud hater and throw shit around I also will be non subtle in throwing some shit back Aga fan or not

Non subtle hater does = Whiner because they never shut the fuck up say the same thing over and over and over again when that happens their words cease from having an opinion to just whining saying things with the only intention to bash for entertainment, bring down, hurt, push buttons etc.

I don't care if you or Papru don't like Ana you can say why if you feel like it but if either of you go from an opinion to just talking shit I will let you know exactly what I think of you in a non subtle way
Ok, first of all, please dont speak in generaly, becuase I don't think I've said something bad in this thread, and I realy try not to in threads that I know it would be inappropriate
Secondable, yeah, there's an Ana hate, yes, but what do you care? Some people (yeah, including me) hate? So let us hate, it's not like you will change our mind, and if you see some hating thread (like those on her on curt antics) of course you can reply and defend Ana, share your opinion, but over all, there are a lot of haters there, and I don't think you and the other fans will change their mind.
Every players has haters. I'll take a fave of mine for example: Henin. She has haters (Especially Serena fans..) but I don't care, it's not like I can change their minds..

Malva
Jun 8th, 2008, 12:15 PM
Ohh I like this idea :yeah:


You are welcome. I was thinking about you, in particular.


Ok, first of all, please dont speak in generaly, becuase I don't think I've said something bad in this thread, and I realy try not to in threads that I know it would be inappropriate


I am certainly not the only one who notices and appreciates your efforts, justine schneider, not to antagonize and not to hurt other members' feelings at this subforum.

SOA_MC
Jun 8th, 2008, 12:43 PM
What constructive should I say? There's nothing constructive about Ana's game :lol: she's another stupid ball basher, her reactions on court are unbearable - this forced fistpumping, stupid screams or this new one - a'la ballerina turnover :inlove: :tape: and off court she's so sweet that it makes me sick 'everything is so amazing, the crowd is so amazing, the match was so amazing, this feeling is so amazing...', plus her box is freaking annoying...
as long as Jelena is more beloved in Serbia than Ana I am satisfied :angel:

Another thing about your so amazing JJ you her fans keep descibing your so amazing one as this generations Kim Clijsters (You have to be kidding me) but yet you never hear this in the media or from tennis experts the media projected Ana as a Grand Slam champion (Which just happen BTW) and not JJ the media will only ever give JJ a slight chance at RG because the big name players are so bad on clay face facts JJ is only a retriever who just doesn't have it you think the 6-1 H2H is bad now it's going to get alot worst for you

They (Everybody) hype up Ana over JJ for a reason!!!!!!

justine schnyder
Jun 8th, 2008, 12:44 PM
You are welcome. I was thinking about you, in particular.



I am certainly not the only one who notices and appreciates your efforts, justine schneider, not to antagonize and not to hurt other members' feelings at this subforum.

Thank you :)

justine schnyder
Jun 8th, 2008, 12:49 PM
Another thing about your so amazing JJ you her fans keep descibing your so amazing one as this generations Kim Clijsters (You have to be kidding me) but yet you never hear this in the media or from tennis experts the media projected Ana as a Grand Slam champion (Which just happen BTW) and not JJ the media will only ever give JJ a slight chance at RG because the big name players are so bad on clay face facts JJ is only a retriever who just doesn't have it you think the 6-1 H2H is bad now it's going to get alot worst for you

They (Everybody) hype up Ana over JJ for a reason!!!!!!

I think it was kind if necessary post.
This post's point is "Ana is better than JJ, she won a slam, she leads their H2H 6-1 etc."
Do you think we cheer for JJ just becuase we think she's the best player out there? I personaly like her becuase I like her game and personality, not becuase I think she's the best player ever.
That's just stupid, if we would cheer for the best player out there so only this year I'd change my faves 3 times :o
Plus, like I said before.. Those posts won't make us change our moinds, even if Ana is the better player, why should I care? I'm, not a fan of her, I'm a fan of other players

SOA_MC
Jun 8th, 2008, 01:18 PM
I think it was kind if necessary post.
This post's point is "Ana is better than JJ, she won a slam, she leads their H2H 6-1 etc."
Do you think we cheer for JJ just becuase we think she's the best player out there? I personaly like her becuase I like her game and personality, not becuase I think she's the best player ever.
That's just stupid, if we would cheer for the best player out there so only this year I'd change my faves 3 times :o
Plus, like I said before.. Those posts won't make us change our moinds, even if Ana is the better player, why should I care? I'm, not a fan of her, I'm a fan of other players

Where did it say cheer for Ana? Answer nowhere I just pointed out some of the crap coming from JJ fans about their so amazing one yes I have heard from JJ fans who think she is Kim Clijsters (Don't get me started on that) and I didn't hear it from one JJ fan not from a few JJ fans but from alot of JJ fans from my time here the JJ fan base is one of if not the most delusional and that's by looking at the fanbase as a whole. My point JJ fans have this big huge wet dream of JJ doing this doing that but there's nobody from the outside who really thinks she has a chance

justine schnyder
Jun 8th, 2008, 01:27 PM
Where did it say cheer for Ana? Answer nowhere I just pointed out some of the crap coming from JJ fans about their so amazing one yes I have heard from JJ fans who think she is Kim Clijsters (Don't get me started on that) and I didn't hear it from one JJ fan not from a few JJ fans but from alot of JJ fans from my time here the JJ fan base is one of if not the most delusional and that's by looking at the fanbase as a whole. My point JJ fans have this big huge wet dream of JJ doing this doing that but there's nobody from the outside who really thinks she has a chance

So why half of your post was about Ana won a slam, the commentors saw her as a favorite? And honestly, do you think I care? I don't.

And actually I can undersatnd why people find simialrites between Kim and Jelena, the sliding, their defensive skills (Nothing exapt that though) and maybe most of Jelena's fans like to compare her to Clijsters (Although I've never saw a post in her forum that reffering this.. :o), so? What do you care? And I want to compare Ana with Sharapova becuase they're both have an agressive game.. So?

And TBH, Jelena is #3 ranked player in the world, so why wouldn't we have a dreams about her winnning the big titles?! If she was #50, so yes, it would be unreaslistic, but she's number 3..
And again, what do you care if we dream about it???
You really should concentrate about the fan bases you like and not those you don't like, becuase you seem to care so much what JJ's fan base think.

sharapovarulz1
Jun 8th, 2008, 01:37 PM
JJ can win a slam I have no doubt about that just as I thought Ana would win a slam even though she took her time about it ;) Never say never about any player, Dinara Safina is someone you can look at and think she may never win a slam but she was very close yesterday and I think/hope she will be a threat at Wimbledon as well! So don't go around saying players can't win slams because who are you to say that there coach, parent, physio? No your not so you have no idea how much they prepare!

SOA_MC
Jun 8th, 2008, 01:55 PM
JJ can win a slam I have no doubt about that just as I thought Ana would win a slam even though she took her time about it ;) Never say never about any player, Dinara Safina is someone you can look at and think she may never win a slam but she was very close yesterday and I think/hope she will be a threat at Wimbledon as well! So don't go around saying players can't win slams because who are you to say that there coach, parent, physio? No your not so you have no idea how much they prepare!

I will say never whether you like it or not JJ will never ever ever ever ever ever win a slam that's a fact she's only slighty better than a top 20 player next year she will go the way of Chakvetadze into mediocre land

justine schnyder
Jun 8th, 2008, 02:05 PM
You know, BDS321, it's kind of stupid for you to ask/hope that we would be polite towrds Ana fans here while you just insist being a troll in the last 2 pages of this thread.

SOA_MC
Jun 8th, 2008, 02:30 PM
You know, BDS321, it's kind of stupid for you to ask/hope that we would be polite towrds Ana fans here while you just insist being a troll in the last 2 pages of this thread.

:rolleyes:
I tried being nice and build bridges between the retard fans of one of the most annoying players of all time with the fucking whining about being injuried after every fucking match fake medical timeouts acts like a fucking bitch off court thinks she's somebody tries soooooooooo hard to famous but yet is as unnatural as they come and what happens her fucking whiney dumbass fans go fucking meatballs on Ana well fuck that

But I am a little relieved because now I can say what I really think of the B grade porn star and her oMGJJTiEDHErOwNSHoelACeS It's the most thing amazing ever I love this girl she's so cool and amazing totally

justine schnyder
Jun 8th, 2008, 02:40 PM
:rolleyes:
I tried being nice and build bridges between the retard fans of one of the most annoying players of all time with the fucking whining about being injuried after every fucking match fake medical timeouts acts like a fucking bitch off court thinks she's somebody tries soooooooooo hard to famous but yet is as unnatural as they come and what happens her fucking whiney dumbass fans go fucking meatballs on Ana well fuck that

But I am a little relieved because now I can say what I really think of the B grade porn star and her oMGJJTiEDHErOwNSHoelACeS It's the most thing amazing ever I love this girl she's so cool and amazing totally

::rolleyes:
Awww you sweet angel.. I mean.. How could I blame you for something, while you just tried to bash the mean and shitty Jelena???? Shame on me.
(And oviously that's becuase Jelena is the one who has fistpumps for 10 minutes after every stupid and ugly points she takes, and screams "coomeee ooonn" after an overrule..)
That's it I had enough from this crap.. Why should I try to be polite wwhile it's ovious you have no idea what this word even means?!..
And you haven't answered my question, why the hell do you care so much from the JJ fans?!
And if you'll look at the post I wrote here, you won't see any stupid and necessary bashing there, so what don't you just grow up and stop bashing poster's fave just becuase they don't like your's?!

sharapovarulz1
Jun 8th, 2008, 02:44 PM
:rolleyes:
I tried being nice and build bridges between the retard fans of one of the most annoying players of all time with the fucking whining about being injuried after every fucking match fake medical timeouts acts like a fucking bitch off court thinks she's somebody tries soooooooooo hard to famous but yet is as unnatural as they come and what happens her fucking whiney dumbass fans go fucking meatballs on Ana well fuck that

But I am a little relieved because now I can say what I really think of the B grade porn star and her oMGJJTiEDHErOwNSHoelACeS It's the most thing amazing ever I love this girl she's so cool and amazing totally

Wow after that I have no hope left for Ana fans (except for Dex) an outburst like that my god did your parents not teach you any manners??? You can say what you like about JJ you are entitled to your own opinion just as we are entitled to our opinion on Ana but going off on someone you have never met and probably never will is just disgusting and shows exactly what time of family you have been brought up in :rolleyes:

SOA_MC
Jun 8th, 2008, 03:03 PM
Wow after that I have no hope left for Ana fans (except for Dex) an outburst like that my god did your parents not teach you any manners??? You can say what you like about JJ you are entitled to your own opinion just as we are entitled to our opinion on Ana but going off on someone you have never met and probably never will is just disgusting and shows exactly what time of family you have been brought up in :rolleyes:

That exact same thing can be said about some of JJ fans posts on Ana


::rolleyes:
Awww you sweet angel.. I mean.. How could I blame you for something, while you just tried to bash the mean and shitty Jelena???? Shame on me.
(And oviously that's becuase Jelena is the one who has fistpumps for 10 minutes after every stupid and ugly points she takes, and screams "coomeee ooonn" after an overrule..)
That's it I had enough from this crap.. Why should I try to be polite wwhile it's ovious you have no idea what this word even means?!..

My point has been proven I wrote my last post on purpose to get a strong reaction to see what happens when the tables are turned and it's one their favorites getting unfair and dumb character assassination

justine schnyder
Jun 8th, 2008, 03:11 PM
That exact same thing can be said about some of JJ fans posts on Ana


Oh really? I didn't see JJ fans who Ana's fans were talking politly to them and they replied by bashing.



My point has been proven I wrote my last post on purpose to get a strong reaction to see what happens when the tables are turned and it's one their favorites getting unfair and dumb character assassination

:o
You know exactly what I think about Ana, so I figured, if you don't care and how you talk, why should I?!
I was polite through whole this thread, while you just trolled around, and I'm sick of trying being poilite while the others don't do so.
You know what? I have nothing else to say to you, it's oviously that you're too ignorant to understand about what I'm talking to you, so after you'll finish the second grade, come back.

Dexter
Jun 8th, 2008, 03:35 PM
This discussion is going way overboard, so either you go back to the topic or I'll be forced to close this thread. Thanks.

SOA_MC
Jun 8th, 2008, 03:41 PM
What constructive should I say? There's nothing constructive about Ana's game :lol: she's another stupid ball basher, her reactions on court are unbearable - this forced fistpumping, stupid screams or this new one - a'la ballerina turnover :inlove: :tape: and off court she's so sweet that it makes me sick 'everything is so amazing, the crowd is so amazing, the match was so amazing, this feeling is so amazing...', plus her box is freaking annoying...
as long as Jelena is more beloved in Serbia than Ana I am satisfied :angel:

To Justine Schnyder

I agree for the most part you were polite and levelheaded when responding to my posts accept for one but I can understand that:lol: You responded to all my posts but not the one above

Why? It was just as unnesessary as all of mine over the last 2 pages but you ignored it

Oh really? I didn't see JJ fans who Ana's fans were talking politly to them and they replied by bashing.

Schorsch and on more than one occasion

SOA_MC
Jun 8th, 2008, 03:43 PM
This discussion is going way overboard, so either you go back to the topic or I'll be forced to close this thread. Thanks.

Don't close the thread Dex I want a couple of questions answered:awww:

justine schnyder
Jun 8th, 2008, 03:45 PM
To Justine Schnyder

I agree for the most part you were polite and levelheaded when responding to my posts accept for one but I can understand that:lol: You responded to all my posts but not the one above

Why? It was just as unnesessary as all of mine over the last 2 pages but you ignored it



Schorsch and on more than one occassion

To which post I didn't reply? (Sorry.. I look now, I didn't notice)
Ok, so Schorsch and Papru didn't talked nicely, but I'm not Schorcsh nor Papru, so please don't talk to me that way :wavey:


(Federer :sobbing:)

sharapovarulz1
Jun 8th, 2008, 03:53 PM
Justine Schynder just ignore the geezer now and BDS321 lets call it a day because it's getting pathetic now, you don't like JJ and Justine Schynder doesn't like Ana so END OF! Let's all keep our difference's to ourselves because after all this thread is neither about Ana or Jelena it's about Aga!

justine schnyder
Jun 8th, 2008, 03:57 PM
Yes. Agree with Sharapovarulz1

SOA_MC
Jun 8th, 2008, 04:00 PM
To which post I didn't reply? (Sorry.. I look now, I didn't notice)
Ok, so Schorsch and Papru didn't talked nicely, but I'm not Schorcsh nor Papru, so please don't talk to me that way :wavey:


(Federer :sobbing:)

Pupru:o attack for no reason post which there are 10-15 post just like it a day on these boards Papru post here http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=13346474&postcount=36 (And this is a nice version you should see some posts from Schorsch)

True your not Schorsch or Papru I've told you before your far from the worst so you know I can differentiate between posters

sharapovarulz1
Jun 8th, 2008, 04:05 PM
Ok fair enough BDS321 there are alot of Ana haters who take it well to far but taking your frustration out on Justine Schynder is unfair! So lets all chill out and talk about what this thread was originally made for :D

SOA_MC
Jun 8th, 2008, 04:10 PM
Justine Schynder just ignore the geezer now and BDS321 lets call it a day because it's getting pathetic now, you don't like JJ and Justine Schynder doesn't like Ana so END OF! Let's all keep our difference's to ourselves because after all this thread is neither about Ana or Jelena it's about Aga!

Of course you mean geezer in a good way:D actually as far as JJ goes I'm hot and cold on her there are days when I like her not a favorite of mine but O.K. and then there are other days when I tire of her drama and attitude I don't want to pay attention to her

papru
Jun 8th, 2008, 06:47 PM
Highlighted sections say it all:rolleyes: After every fucking Ana match there is a "Ana fistpump" thread among other Anti-Ana threads created by "Non subtle people" If Papru wants to be non subtle a proud hater and throw shit around I also will be non subtle in throwing some shit back Aga fan or not

Non subtle hater does = Whiner because they never shut the fuck up say the same thing over and over and over again when that happens their words cease from having an opinion to just whining saying things with the only intention to bash for entertainment, bring down, hurt, push buttons etc.

I don't care if you or Papru don't like Ana you can say why if you feel like it but if either of you go from an opinion to just talking shit I will let you know exactly what I think of you in a non subtle way
but you act like you indeed cared :lol: :haha:
I suggest you to bring it on cause I really dont give a shit what u have to say...

And have you heard the non-stop crap from JJ fans about their favorite she's just so crazy and wild she the greatest ever look she just tied her shoe laces in the greatest way ever so awesome:inlove: and when she whines about an injury after every match I go googa because she's awesome the injury timeouts are so awesome when she drinks some water at the change of ends she's awesome JJ your so crazy everthing you do no matter how routine is just so fucking awesome JJ the greatest EVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRRRR:weirdo:

i didnt find anything amazing about JJ drinking water :weirdo:

Tell us instead about your own road to become a tennis fan and especially an ardent follower of both Agnieszka and Jelena.
as u wish Malva, for you anything :inlove:
I have been following Agas career since Wimbledon 2005. What I like about her game the most is that shes is thinking on court and not only ball bashing. She knows how to make slice or a dropshot, she makes other players feel stupid on court. Apart of that, she always stays cool on the court, has never outbursts of unneccessary emotions and is a very nice girl off court :)

As far as JJ is concerned, I just love her :) I love her fighting spirit because she never ever gives up; she doesnt need to scream Ajde or Come on all the time, she doesnt need to act like a princess on the court because she has it all in her heart and she doesnt feel the need to demostrate it to others. On the top of that, she is not a stupid ball basher either, but she knows how to produce a winner if neccessary :D And hell I'd forget.. I love her smile, she is always smiling no matter if shes winning or losing... :) just an optimistic fighter.
bc JJ is a really classy and gentle person, always warm for everybody off court, theres no problem to talk to her or just joke with her for example about her silly colour of nails :p

Nobody asked about your personal opinion about Ana. It's not the subject of this thread. Can you read the the title of it at all?
you have asked me to say something creative, havent you? :lol:

I will say never whether you like it or not JJ will never ever ever ever ever ever win a slam that's a fact she's only slighty better than a top 20 player next year she will go the way of Chakvetadze into mediocre land

tell me when Ana will beat Serena :angel:

:rolleyes:
I tried being nice and build bridges between the retard fans of one of the most annoying players of all time with the fucking whining about being injuried after every fucking match fake medical timeouts acts like a fucking bitch off court thinks she's somebody tries soooooooooo hard to famous but yet is as unnatural as they come and what happens her fucking whiney dumbass fans go fucking meatballs on Ana well fuck that

But I am a little relieved because now I can say what I really think of the B grade porn star and her oMGJJTiEDHErOwNSHoelACeS It's the most thing amazing ever I love this girl she's so cool and amazing totally
with such behaviour you're rather burning these bridges...
does your frustration come from the fact you are a 16-year-old boy who's dreaming about tapping Ana but knows will never be able to? :tape: or have u just watched to many porn movies today?

Wow after that I have no hope left for Ana fans (except for Dex) an outburst like that my god did your parents not teach you any manners??? You can say what you like about JJ you are entitled to your own opinion just as we are entitled to our opinion on Ana but going off on someone you have never met and probably never will is just disgusting and shows exactly what time of family you have been brought up in :rolleyes:

:worship:

AndreConrad
Jun 8th, 2008, 07:39 PM
I guess there are a few conclusions from this thread:

1. Ana tends to have either strong supporters or strong "haters". Now I put the word hater in quotes, because I don't believe they are haters (I think hate is widely abused word that is losing its meaning), but nevertheless she annoys quite a few.
2. Fans in general are very devoted to their favorites and take derogatory comments about them personally.
3. Agnieszka and Ana share quite a few fans, but not all of them

One thing I wanted to say is that I found Agnieszka's forum the friendliest of all I visited (keep in mind I did not visit them all). This is the most controversial thread ever on this forum. Every single poster here with no exception is one the nicest people on this entire site. Please use this thread as a learning experience; I would hate, and I mean hate, to see this discussion divide us. Believe me or not there is something to learn. If Agnieszka will make her way to the top (I have no doubt she will) she will go through the same attacks Ana is going through right now. I was already called a "raTwandska-tard" so it is coming and we have to learn how to not become defensive. Just a food for thought my friends. :wavey:

papru
Jun 8th, 2008, 09:32 PM
Andre charmin as always ;) :kiss:

AndreConrad
Jun 8th, 2008, 10:37 PM
Thanks man :)

sharapovarulz1
Jun 8th, 2008, 11:26 PM
Of course you mean geezer in a good way:D actually as far as JJ goes I'm hot and cold on her there are days when I like her not a favorite of mine but O.K. and then there are other days when I tire of her drama and attitude I don't want to pay attention to her

Haha yes it's how scousers greet each other i.e 'Alright Geezer' ;) All in good word :D

sharapovarulz1
Jun 8th, 2008, 11:28 PM
I guess there are a few conclusions from this thread:

1. Ana tends to have either strong supporters or strong "haters". Now I put the word hater in quotes, because I don't believe they are haters (I think hate is widely abused word that is losing its meaning), but nevertheless she annoys quite a few.
2. Fans in general are very devoted to their favorites and take derogatory comments about them personally.
3. Agnieszka and Ana share quite a few fans, but not all of them

One thing I wanted to say is that I found Agnieszka's forum the friendliest of all I visited (keep in mind I did not visit them all). This is the most controversial thread ever on this forum. Every single poster here with no exception is one the nicest people on this entire site. Please use this thread as a learning experience; I would hate, and I mean hate, to see this discussion divide us. Believe me or not there is something to learn. If Agnieszka will make her way to the top (I have no doubt she will) she will go through the same attacks Ana is going through right now. I was already called a "raTwandska-tard" so it is coming and we have to learn how to not become defensive. Just a food for thought my friends. :wavey:

Well said mate :worship:

Malva
Jun 9th, 2008, 02:43 AM
I was away from the keyboard for just a few hours. And when I returned, what I saw saddened me deeply...

Meeting fire with fire is never a good solution in public debates. Some of you act as if everything is allowed in defense.

It isn't. The results we all can see in the last few pages of this thread. They affect not only you and a person you are engaged in mutual mud slinging. They affect all of us. Nobody is a winner, all of us become losers.

I am grateful to those of you who tried to resist provocations and who were mitigating voices in this thread.

Special thanks to André for his sobering post. Please take his message to heart! I am directing this especially to the most hot headed members of the subforum.

SOA_MC
Jun 9th, 2008, 07:23 AM
but you act like you indeed cared :lol: :haha:
I suggest you to bring it on cause I really dont give a shit what u have to say...

:scared:
Are you sure? George Bush used that line once and didn't give a shit what others had to say:wavey:


i didnt find anything amazing about JJ drinking water :weirdo:

Wow I can't believe a JJ fan admitted something JJ does isn't amazing now I just have to hear from a Pova that Pova saying "Boo Hoo" isn't one of the top ten 10 funniest quotes ever said


As far as JJ is concerned, I just love her :) I love her fighting spirit because she never ever gives up; she doesnt need to scream Ajde or Come on all the time, she doesnt need to act like a princess on the court because she has it all in her heart and she doesnt feel the need to demostrate it to others. On the top of that, she is not a stupid ball basher either, but she knows how to produce a winner if neccessary :D And hell I'd forget.. I love her smile, she is always smiling no matter if shes winning or losing... :) just an optimistic fighter.
bc JJ is a really classy and gentle person, always warm for everybody off court, theres no problem to talk to her or just joke with her for example about her silly colour of nails :p

I won't take that apart:angel:


you have asked me to say something creative, havent you? :lol:

Creative:tape: If you think that was creative then :help:


tell me when Ana will beat Serena :angel:

They have only played once back in 2006 Ana is a whole new player then she was back then

Ana would have beaten Serena last week Ana will win the next time they play no doubt


with such behaviour you're rather burning these bridges...
does your frustration come from the fact you are a 16-year-old boy who's dreaming about tapping Ana but knows will never be able to? :tape: or have u just watched to many porn movies today?

If your not going to try to build bridges or find middle ground why should I:rolleyes:


:worship:

Ana fans unlike JJ fans aren't starting threads in GM about their dislike for other players Mistacrinkle65 and Toxina90 for examples

papru
Jun 9th, 2008, 08:20 AM
yeah, whatever...

papru
Jun 9th, 2008, 08:22 AM
Malva u r right... lets top that silly conversation that leads to nowhere...