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Renalicious
Jun 2nd, 2008, 09:48 AM
Hey guys, onto Wimbledon/grass court tournaments! Where of course, were the sites of a large part of Marion's success! Leave the negetivity behind, and fingers crossed that we get another good run here at Wimby to turn her year around!

MARIONNNNN FOR WIMBLEDONNN.

(Pronounced Maree-Onnnnn (hold 'n') for Wimbli-donnn (hold 'n') :D :D :D

Bartoli's Boy
Jun 2nd, 2008, 06:12 PM
I wonder if that same guy will be there who shouted "COME ON MAREEE-ONNN!!!" in the final last year. The juxtaposition of an English phrase with his attempt at pronouncing her name in a French accent cracked me up. :lol:

Iceland
Jun 7th, 2008, 02:36 PM
Birmingham draw is out : Marion is as expected the top seed!
http://www.lta.org.uk/Global/Downloads/Results/DFS/Singles%20Main%20Draw.pdf (http://www.lta.org.uk/Global/Downloads/Results/DFS/Singles%20Main%20Draw.pdf)

She could make a pretty good run here, Cetkovska or Yuan will be the first opponent, then probably Domachowska. There are lot of ballbashers though, never good for Marion, Lisicki, Vaidisova and even Govortsova (:o) could be threats to consider...

Super_Marion
Jun 7th, 2008, 03:18 PM
Thanks Iceland :)

She Govortsova on grass at Wimby and Vaidisova isnt in great form.

But as Marion said, she needs to prove herself again rather than riding on the back of former glories.

Dave.
Jun 8th, 2008, 11:27 AM
Good luck Marion- you're back on your fave surface (finally!) :D

Hope she finds the magic again this year. In Birmingham, there is no reason why she can't defend her SF points, if not go on and win the tournament. Marion should not be losing to anybody on her half that's for sure, but she needs to get her act together right from the start.

Renalicious
Jun 8th, 2008, 11:38 AM
Well it's a tough draw!!

1r - Bye. :scared: Toughie :lol: jk.

2r - Cetkovska: Tough! She made a great run at RG defeating I think Szavay.

3r - Domachowska: Tough once again. :sad:

QF - K. Bondarenko: Extremely tough!

SF - A. Bondarenko: Toughhhh.

F - Vaidisova or Dellacqua (revenge :devil:): Actually sounds quite easy. :lol:

Iceland
Jun 8th, 2008, 12:03 PM
Actually the draw changed and it does seem better, Vaidisova and her big serve are in the other part of the draw now after Safina's withdrawal. Moreover I have been told that Marta is an absolute crap on grass, same for Katya Bondarenko. Marion has to make this final now :bounce:

wales1994
Jun 8th, 2008, 12:14 PM
good luck marion

at the moment all double handers r on such bad form

Dave.
Jun 8th, 2008, 01:08 PM
Well it's a tough draw!!

1r - Bye. :scared: Toughie :lol: jk.

2r - Cetkovska: Tough! She made a great run at RG defeating I think Szavay.

3r - Domachowska: Tough once again. :sad:

QF - K. Bondarenko: Extremely tough!

SF - A. Bondarenko: Toughhhh.

F - Vaidisova or Dellacqua (revenge :devil:): Actually sounds quite easy. :lol:

As you pointed out, I think Bye will be her toughest opponent. :lol:
Cetkovska, as good as she did in Paris, just got double bageled.
On current form, I'd be surprised if Marta got to the R16. :sad:
If Marion gets to the QF, she's doing something right, which should be enough to dispose of K and A.

Anyway I just want her to start winning matches again. I won't be too disappointed if she loses in the QF or SF- she just needs to get there!

Bartoli's Boy
Jun 9th, 2008, 03:14 PM
That's how I feel also. I am not expecting too much, too soon, I just want Marion to play well on grass. :cool:

bruce goose
Jun 9th, 2008, 08:12 PM
Well,I'm only gonna say this once since I don't have any animosity against the thread-starters.......but I don't like the title in the sense that we shouldn't even DIGNIFY the stupid criticisms of Marion's:hearts::hearts::hearts: 2007 grass-court success with any acknowledgment whatsoever.

I would've liked something simple such as:Marion Ready To Kick Ass On The Grass!!...that's just off the top of my head.Like I said,though,I'm not gonna complain about this again and I'll cheer her here with the rest of you Marionettes.:)

Sund7101
Jun 10th, 2008, 02:48 AM
She'll get her confidence back on her favorite surface.

Win the title Marion! :worship:

Alizé Molik
Jun 11th, 2008, 11:51 AM
allez marion le moment est arrivé :D

Iceland
Jun 11th, 2008, 04:33 PM
Marion is trying to embarrass herself on her favourite surface, what a delicious idea :drool:!

She saved a SP in the 1st set to win it 75. A bit too close, but why not? She needed some adjustements. Generally after that you continue on your momentum to dismiss your opponent. Marion, generous as she is, offered the set to Cetkovska with a colossal waste of points on her serve (DF on GP is her favourite ;)). 47% of first serves also.


Down 10 in the third. Lost her serve at love.
Marion :wavey:!

Iceland
Jun 11th, 2008, 04:39 PM
Down 30 in the third including GP wasting with a DF.

Iceland
Jun 11th, 2008, 04:47 PM
Marion finishes on bagel. Lost 75 46 06. She deserved it. 17 DFs are to mention as well.
I hope she gives up on the idea of showing up in Wimbledon. With all the press, it's going to be uglier than this.

bruce goose
Jun 11th, 2008, 05:02 PM
Well,Marionettes,I went into the archives to get a handle on the humiliation somewhat,and I discovered that the rapidly-improving Cetkovska actually won a grass-court tournament(ITF) last year called "Felixstowe";therefore,she's not a complete joke on this surface.Still,it's hard to face up to this sad decline in Marion:hearts: so I'd cling to almost anything halfway-logical right now...if Seles could make a comeback from her stabbing,then I'll hold out that Marion can somehow find her way back.MARION:inlove:

Dave.
Jun 11th, 2008, 06:09 PM
Marion :sobbing:

Just do something different- whatever you're doing is NOT working!!!!

Poova
Jun 11th, 2008, 06:18 PM
Marion should take a break. Forget about Wimbledon - she's not going to defend any of those points, so it won't make any difference if she plays or not. Focus on getting fit and improving her serve etc. I don't know how low she has to go before Walter et all do something about it tbh. :rolleyes: And I don't really want to find out either. :o

Iceland
Jun 11th, 2008, 09:15 PM
A report of a poster of the board.

Report of Wednesday

Cetkovska/Bartoli
Marion played porrly, especially the serve. But she deserved to win, Cetkovska is just a bad player hitting the ball back and showing off. One of the players I don't like.
Bartoli tried a lot of different things, she was lucky to win the first set though.
She was crying at the end, and her father was talking to her badly, but well he's a coach...

A problem with her right wrist is also to mention, she said that in her interview after her loss. :sad: She explained that she never felt physically at her best this year, either tired, ill or suffering from somewhere. I would say this is due to her bad shape that favours more this kind of injuries because the more tired you are, the more prone to physical problems you get.
Apparently she will withdraw from Eastbourne and may not play Wimbledon.

I also hope, like you Loose, that she changes something in her way of training, hiring a proper coach for example. Her father has done many things for her, but she needs a physical trainer & advice to make her game evoluate in the right way. She has to stop entering the court to return 1st serves for example. She is playing way flatter than last year, she seemed more in control of her shots before. I watched today some of her matches to compare, she had a limited number of UE. That was one of her best assets and Marion seems to have forgotten that.

Please Marion, work on your shape and your tennis will be back. :hug:

Iceland
Jun 11th, 2008, 09:24 PM
From the WTAtour.com

http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/global/library/200x250/bartoli_08bham_wed_200.jpg

Top seed Marion Bartoli, hoping to rebound from a first round loss at Roland Garros on what became her most successful surface a year ago, fell at the first hurdle of her 2008 grass court debut, dropping a 57 64 60 decision to Petra Cetkovska. Bartoli took the first set and, at 4-all, had two points to hold for 5-4 in the second set. But she crumbled from there, losing nine of the last 11 points of the second set and winning just nine points in a lopsided, 18-minute third set to suffer a devastating setback.
"My serve was becoming more and more difficult due to my injury; but I don't like to retire during a match unless I really have to, because I like to be fair to everybody," said Bartoli, who is still struggling with a right wrist injury she suffered at Strasbourg the week before Roland Garros. "I used to be in great shape but now I always seem to have an injury and I'm not always 100%.
"There's a danger I may miss Wimbledon if it doesn't get better; it would be very disappointing, especially after last year."

Ellery
Jun 11th, 2008, 09:28 PM
Marion :hug: Hope you can get over this rough patch.

Bartoli's Boy
Jun 11th, 2008, 09:34 PM
Oh Marion :sad: I will be so sad if she misses Wimbledon, but of course if her wrist injury is too serious, she shouldn't try to compete and make it worse.

Maybe you guys are right about hiring a different coach to her father, I don't know. Last year she did so well, they had to be doing something right together. Unless we are to really believe that reaching the Wimbledon final last year was a fluke, which I don't believe in the slightest. Maybe it is all a combination of injuries, lack of confidence and the pressure she must have felt to live up to people's expectations after making so much improvement, so quickly. I just hope she can turn it around. :tears:

Renalicious
Jun 12th, 2008, 01:21 AM
:sad: oh dear

Alizé Molik
Jun 12th, 2008, 03:16 AM
on a lighter note, i'm loving the little pigtails :p

Super_Marion
Jun 15th, 2008, 08:23 PM
You can Here a Camille drop in here . .

Looks like a 2nd round tie against Bammer in Eastboune. Marion beat her in Linz if I recall.

Cummon gents and boys.. Cheer on mon cherie Marion!! :)

bruce goose
Jun 15th, 2008, 10:00 PM
You can Here a Camille drop in here . .

Looks like a 2nd round tie against Bammer in Eastboune. Marion beat her in Linz if I recall.

Cummon gents and boys.. Cheer on mon cherie Marion!! :)Bammer apparently made some snotty,Eurotrash-type comments about Ana,so it won't be difficult for me to cheer on Marion in this match.:)

Poova
Jun 15th, 2008, 10:38 PM
*sigh* I thought she was going to withdraw from Eastbourne? :o

Well, she has a decent draw to the QF. But she can lose to anybody these days so I'm not sure if such a thing exists with Marion any more. :tape:

bruce goose
Jun 16th, 2008, 01:18 AM
For ALL Marionettes:Bammer won one qualifying round at Wimby '05 and two in '06.In 2007,she won two matches at Eastbourne and was eliminated in the 2nd Round of the MD at Wimbledon.She got her ass kicked by Melanie South in her 1st match at Birmingham THIS year.She is clearly no grass-court juggernaut and I'm hoping for a Marion:inlove::inlove::inlove: victory!

Dave.
Jun 16th, 2008, 10:02 AM
Sybille made the QF here last year and had a very tight match with Petrova so she's at least comfortable on the surface. The sad truth is anyone can beat Marion right now. :sad:

Marion really could not have a better section of the draw though. Azarenka is not very comfortable on grass. Bammer is slumping just like her right now. Marion really should not lose to anyone before the SF and I'm really hoping she can at least win a match. Anything will do right now.

bruce goose
Jun 16th, 2008, 12:40 PM
Sybille made the QF here last year and had a very tight match with Petrova so she's at least comfortable on the surface. The sad truth is anyone can beat Marion right now. :sad:

Marion really could not have a better section of the draw though. Azarenka is not very comfortable on grass. Bammer is slumping just like her right now. Marion really should not lose to anyone before the SF and I'm really hoping she can at least win a match. Anything will do right now.There's no denying your point that Marion's current level of play doesn't inspire much confidence.I was only pointing out that Bammer is one of those players who plays on grass only because she HAS to(sort of like the legend Sanchez Vicario did);were it not for the famous Wimbledon tradition,some of these gals would avoid grass completely.Even a slightly-above-average game from Marion should be good enough to stop Sybille...who couldn't even escape grass-court qualifying as recently as 2006.

Bartoli's Boy
Jun 16th, 2008, 03:52 PM
*sigh* I thought she was going to withdraw from Eastbourne? :o

That's what I thought? :confused:

Iceland
Jun 17th, 2008, 05:13 PM
Marion, if she decides to play, will be against Sybille Bammer. Looks like the injury is not that serious, otherwise there wouldn't be any reason to play. And please, Marion, if you lose, stop putting it on the wrist pb account. :o

Good luck! She should get through I think. Well she has to, since Bammer who originally doesn't have many answers to Marion's powerful shots is in worse form than her. Allez!

Poova
Jun 17th, 2008, 06:24 PM
Marion's half is so easy now. There's Radwanska... but that's the only real worry. The rest Marion SHOULD beat easily. It was like this Birmingham though and she still lost. :lol:

Anyway, Bammer should be an easy win. :scared: She's in bad form and getting thrashed by the most pathetic players.

Iceland
Jun 18th, 2008, 11:50 AM
A good start for Marion who leads 3/0 :yeah:.

Iceland
Jun 18th, 2008, 12:32 PM
63 50, allez Marion!

Iceland
Jun 18th, 2008, 01:01 PM
63 60 in one hour, no DF, no BP to save. Very solid win so....

:woohoo::banana:!!!!

Allez Marion, a new top 30 win in style even though Bammer sucks this season. But what I like is that she thrashed her as every top 20 player would.
I hope her wrist is ok now. It's more in her head I would say anyway...

Next : Rezai/Kleybanova.
Allez!

Bartoli's Boy
Jun 18th, 2008, 01:33 PM
:bounce:

Go Marion! Even though she should beat Bammer, the way things have been going lately, this is a big win. It ought to give her some of her confidence back.

Hurray! :D

Sund7101
Jun 18th, 2008, 02:40 PM
Nice win Marion!

Iceland
Jun 18th, 2008, 05:40 PM
Marion will play against Kleybanova, the young Russian girl that has a big serve. It will be way more difficult than against Sybille, but she has a real shot at reaching another SF here in Eastbourne. Allez!!!

Some words of Marion:
«C'est la première semaine de l'année où je me sens bien. Soudainement, je me sens bien, je suis en forme et j'ai envie de jouer. Perdre au premier tour, dans son pays et son tournoi du Grand Chelem, c'est dur. J'étais la première Française à perdre et ça m'a donné un coup.»
"It is the first week of the year I feel good. Suddenly, I feel good, in form and I'm eager to play. Losing to the first round, in my country and my GS tournament was hard. I was the first French girl to lose & it hurt me."

No news about the wrist, sounds like it was another false excuse of our Marion :p!

Super_Marion
Jun 18th, 2008, 11:12 PM
Iceland, surely not! :o :) She won anyway, that's what really matters.:angel:

The conditions are to Marions preference I think.

Dave.
Jun 19th, 2008, 03:50 PM
Marion is on court now :bounce:

Iceland
Jun 19th, 2008, 03:54 PM
Is there any livestream? Because ES France decided to show a replay of a football (Sweden vs Russia :banghead:) instead in Marion :rolleyes:. God, I HATE THEM!

Dave.
Jun 19th, 2008, 04:12 PM
11 games in a row for Marion :rocker2:


I don't know if there are any livestreams :shrug: i'm watching it on BBCi

Iceland
Jun 19th, 2008, 04:31 PM
She has to finish this set now, she is scaring me missing all these opportunities. 2 Sps wasted already and now 5/3. Allez!

Iceland
Jun 19th, 2008, 04:35 PM
6/3 for Marion. Could have been easier but at least no scares on this set :D.
Now I hope she didn't give confidence to Kleybanova. I wish she could have closed it earlier.

Allez!

bruce goose
Jun 19th, 2008, 06:50 PM
Well,I don't have any current plans to watch Marion play in person because,as of right now,the temptation would be too great to plant a passionate,lip-smothering kiss on her if she flashed her dazzling smile at me...

I am SOOOOO pleased:D:D:D that she has built some solid momentum heading into the Rainytown major.As long as she doesn't have a psychological collapse of some sort,she should NOW be confident in her ability to resurrect her grass-court acumen even if she doesn't win this particular tourney...of course,I won't object if she DOES win.MARION:inlove::inlove::inlove:

Dave.
Jun 19th, 2008, 07:14 PM
So proud of Marion's performance this week. She really has a shot at winning the whole tournament now.

Sorry Marion for ever doubting you :sobbing: :bowdown:

Poova
Jun 19th, 2008, 07:24 PM
:bounce: Points defended!

Now time to add some points, you'll need them to lessen the worry of defending Wimbledon final. ;)

Iceland
Jun 19th, 2008, 07:36 PM
Yes, yes, and yes!!!!!!! Love you Marion :hearts:!!!!!
Finally an impressive result!! The stats on serve look great and what is even more impressive is that she played in very windy conditions which doesn't help at all as she plays very flat.

So, so, so, happy even though I'm pissed ES France didn't show the match.
Aga is next, she wasn't impressive at all today. Marion should be able to overpower her, I just hope she doesn't fall in Aga's traps.
Please reach the final Marion!!! :bounce:

Renalicious
Jun 20th, 2008, 01:09 AM
Well done Marion! :inlove: This is a good win. :woohoo:

Now Aga. :scared: But she can do it. ;) Go Marion!!

Super_Marion
Jun 20th, 2008, 10:27 AM
She played great against Kleybanova!

Just as well she started winning again otherwise the men in white coats where coming to take Iceland away!! ;) :D

Super_Marion
Jun 20th, 2008, 10:32 AM
Well,I don't have any current plans to watch Marion play in person because,as of right now,the temptation would be too great to plant a passionate,lip-smothering kiss on her if she flashed her dazzling smile at me...

I am SOOOOO pleased:D:D:D that she has built some solid momentum heading into the Rainytown major.As long as she doesn't have a psychological collapse of some sort,she should NOW be confident in her ability to resurrect her grass-court acumen even if she doesn't win this particular tourney...of course,I won't object if she DOES win.MARION:inlove::inlove::inlove:
Compared with where I live, it's Parchedanddessicatedtown :rainy:

bruce goose
Jun 20th, 2008, 11:02 AM
Compared with where I live, it's Parchedanddessicatedtown :rainy:My sister studied in England for a summer and said that it rains 400 days out of 365.:lol:...so where did YOU move,Super M?The tropical rain forest???;)

Iceland
Jun 20th, 2008, 11:03 AM
Marion got the toughest draw possible in Wimbledon. I hate it so much, I'm so pissed. Hopefully she proves the haters that they all suck.
Here it is:

BARTOLI, Marion FRA v LISICKI, Sabine GER
PEREBIYNIS, Tatiana UKR v KVITOVA, Petra CZE
MATTEK, Bethanie USA v BREMOND, Severine FRA
DUSHEVINA, Vera RUS v KIRILENKO, Maria RUS

MAURESMO, Amelie FRA v HARKLEROAD, Ashley USA
SEQUERA, Milagros VEN v RUANO PASCUAL, Virginia ESP
ZAKOPALOVA, Klara CZE v RADWANSKA, Urszula POL
KANEPI, Kaia EST v WILLIAMS, Serena USA

Basically she has ballbashers in her first two rounds. Lisicki & Kvitova could really be tough if Marion doesn't play aggressively enough. Fortunately their grass-court experience is very low but this could really be tricky as those two youngsters have a good season. At least she got a kind of compensation being granted Kirilenko in 3rd round, but Brémond is here!
As usual, Marion has a Williams sister in 4th round :rolleyes:.

Allez Marion :help::bounce:!!!! Show your best :hearts:.

Bartoli's Boy
Jun 20th, 2008, 11:21 AM
Ooh, Marion picked the perfect time to play herself back into form. :bigclap: A couple of comfortable wins is just what she needed.

But she plays again soon, I'm nervous... :eek:

Renalicious
Jun 20th, 2008, 11:34 AM
At first I thought she got a horrible draw but actually now I see it, she's got a BRILLIANT draw until the R4.

Kvitova really, really, really sucks on grass.

Not sure about Sabine...

Kirilenko extra-sucks on grass. I don't think she's gone beyond the second round. I think Dushevina will come out of that section. Marion of course has a great chance to beat her.

Then Serena. :scared: Well sorry I won't give her a large chance to win that one. :p

Iceland
Jun 20th, 2008, 11:45 AM
At first I thought she got a horrible draw but actually now I see it, she's got a BRILLIANT draw until the R4.

Kvitova really, really, really sucks on grass.

Not sure about Sabine...

Kirilenko extra-sucks on grass. I don't think she's gone beyond the second round. I think Dushevina will come out of that section. Marion of course has a great chance to beat her.

Then Serena. :scared: Well sorry I won't give her a large chance to win that one. :p

Well you're right. It would have been more difficult if it were played on hardcourts. If Marion plays like in Eastbourne she should make it to the 4th round but she will really have to be aggressive & consistent to get through, something that she couldn't do at the previous Grand Slams.
I hope she won't play against Dushevina, she has a dreadful record against her. I'm more hoping for a clash against Brémond or Mattek who made a good Birmingham.

She has to focus first on her SF against Aga. Allez!

Renalicious
Jun 20th, 2008, 02:06 PM
Well I'm not really totally expecting her to win against Aga today but I do think she cna pull through. :) GL.

And yes I know about her horrible record against Dushevina. :tape: Lol yeah hopefully she doesnt play her.

Iceland
Jun 20th, 2008, 03:02 PM
Allez Marion!

Renalicious
Jun 20th, 2008, 03:33 PM
3-3 Deuce. Play Suspended. :mad: I suspect Marion was pretty good, she's won 100% of points on the points she got her first serve in. She had four break opps but failed to convert.

Bartoli's Boy
Jun 20th, 2008, 03:42 PM
Yeah, Marion has played well so far. She's been hitting the ball well and looking good on the return of serve, but she really should have broken! :smash:

Now we have an agonising wait at 3-3 deuce... come on Marion, save up a couple of your best returns for the next two points. :drool:

Poova
Jun 20th, 2008, 03:51 PM
I'm pissed that Marion drew Serena, when fucking Chakvetadze has the most piss easiest section ever. The woman is never going to leave the god damn top 10, she's so lucky. :o But that's another rant altogether. :haha:

I haven't watched any of the Radwanska match so far. Hopefully I can watch it when they start up again. :(

bruce goose
Jun 20th, 2008, 03:58 PM
If Marion wins this tournament,then I recommend we change the thread title to my earlier suggestion,"Marion Ready To Kick Ass On the Grass!"...that is,IF it ever stops drizzling in Great Brit-'rain'.:rolleyes:

Regarding some earlier comments,a FOCUSED Serena would be nearly impossible to beat;this would require a near-perfect match.However,history has proven that Serena struggles to maintain her intensity at times.At last year's Wimby she was knocked off by Henin even though Justine had dominated her at RG.In other words,Serena SHOULD have been plenty motivated.If SW drifts off into Wonderland somewhat as she is prone to do,then Marion is MORE than strong enough to win!

Super_Marion
Jun 20th, 2008, 04:14 PM
It is a tough draw, but whatever happens bit I believe Marion can beat anyone on grass, including Venus.

Iceland
Jun 20th, 2008, 04:14 PM
I really liked what I've seen of Marion so far. Hopefully she finishes her match today because I'm out for the weekend!
Allez!!!!

Super_Marion
Jun 20th, 2008, 04:19 PM
We have almost the whole family at the Revolution today :wave:

bruce goose
Jun 20th, 2008, 04:25 PM
We have almost the whole family at the Revolution today :wave::confused: Revolution???

Bartoli's Boy
Jun 20th, 2008, 04:25 PM
:wavey: Waving back. I know, it's nice to see everyone here and in a cheerful mood for once. :p

Super_Marion
Jun 20th, 2008, 04:36 PM
Hi BB :)

Just think if she wins today she'll be throught to her first teir 2 final.. I think *stat check*

Iceland
Jun 20th, 2008, 04:37 PM
Yes as you say :D. It's good to have our Marion back on form too! The serve is way better than before, she even added an extra gesture with her knee I think before serving ^^!

bruce goose
Jun 20th, 2008, 04:40 PM
Hi BB :)

Just think if she wins today she'll be throught to her first teir 2 final.. I think *stat check*Does your silence signify that you're not gonna explain to me what the "Revolution" is?

Super_Marion
Jun 20th, 2008, 04:40 PM
Yeh I noticed! There's method in the madness, and I luvvit!!

Super_Marion
Jun 20th, 2008, 04:44 PM
Does your silence signify that you're not gonna explain to me what the "Revolution" is?

You amuse me Mr. Goose.

Forward much.

Click eject.

bruce goose
Jun 20th, 2008, 04:49 PM
Who knows??? Maybe the Revolution is some popular racetrack for those smaller,dinky European racecars??Or maybe it's some historical date when Cromwell's Roundheads slaughtered some snotty,power-hungry royals?? If any of you Brits can take a short break from bowing down to the queen,then I'd be interested to know.:wavey:

Iceland
Jun 20th, 2008, 04:50 PM
4/5. Marion is dominating the set in my opinion but she doesn't make the good choices on the key points.
Allez, hold please!

Super_Marion
Jun 20th, 2008, 04:52 PM
The covers came off didnt they? But taking ages to restart. Must be further rain.

Super_Marion
Jun 20th, 2008, 04:52 PM
What's going on where's the BBC coverage went??

Cummon babe!

Super_Marion
Jun 20th, 2008, 04:57 PM
If any of you Brits can take a short break from bowing down to the queen,then I'd be interested to know.:wavey:Too busy marvelling at her grasscourt game to bow down to her all day!

Iceland
Jun 20th, 2008, 05:00 PM
Marion again pushed Aga at deuce, but missed to break :(.
Allez!

Iceland
Jun 20th, 2008, 05:05 PM
Oh no 57 :help:. Too many DFs from Marion. It's really stupid because she played better than Aga. Aga is just more confident than Marion.

Super_Marion
Jun 20th, 2008, 05:05 PM
Are you streaming the match Iceland?

Super_Marion
Jun 20th, 2008, 05:06 PM
Oh no. She's bettter than Aga. cummon Marion!

Iceland
Jun 20th, 2008, 05:11 PM
I watch it on ES FR. But there is a stream here apparently :
http://live-sport-tv.com/tenis.php (http://live-sport-tv.com/tenis.php)



Stats : 19 winners for Marion - 15 UE

Bartoli's Boy
Jun 20th, 2008, 05:14 PM
I think British Eurosport said they would show the end of the match at 17:15pm At least it said something like that in the text at the bottom of the screen.

Come on Marion :sad: 1-1 in the second so far.

Edit: well they are showing a Euro 2008 replay at the moment, so I guess not.

Iceland
Jun 20th, 2008, 05:23 PM
Many tactical mistakes for Marion :sad:. Fight please!

Super_Marion
Jun 20th, 2008, 05:32 PM
I'm using dial up, Broadband is a joke up here.

Super_Marion
Jun 20th, 2008, 05:33 PM
Score?

Dave.
Jun 20th, 2008, 05:36 PM
Marion is fighting back! 2-4 and a BP on Radwanska's serve.

Iceland
Jun 20th, 2008, 05:41 PM
Marion is taking point after point and it pays in the end. Keep fighting Mar'!

Poova
Jun 20th, 2008, 05:41 PM
Marion broke!

Now hold, woman! :scared:

Poova
Jun 20th, 2008, 05:47 PM
*sigh* Broken straight back.

Onto Wimbledon, I guess. :o

Super_Marion
Jun 20th, 2008, 05:55 PM
Used the scoreboard.

Iceland
Jun 20th, 2008, 05:56 PM
A good match from Marion, the level is there. Her strokes are going fast, the serve is good ... but she just needs a bit of more confidence. Wastes too much & many many tactical mistakes. Aga was very clever and solid on the other side, so Marion can be happy about her showing.
Allez for Wimbledon now :hug:!

Super_Marion
Jun 20th, 2008, 05:57 PM
:'(

Super_Marion
Jun 20th, 2008, 05:59 PM
Niceland

Bartoli's Boy
Jun 20th, 2008, 06:05 PM
:sad: It's depressing that she lost, but reaching the semis again is good considering the awful slump she was in before. Here's hoping that her form keeps improving through Wimbledon.

Iceland
Jun 20th, 2008, 06:11 PM
I hope so! Some of the winners she hit were gorgeous. I like the way she came to the net a lot too. It's a source of inspiration for me as I play two-handed like Marion! :p
In the second set, her serve was too off. I'm sure this was due to pressure.

Renalicious
Jun 21st, 2008, 03:32 AM
Well not a bad tournament for Marion but the match could've been better, she just squandered too many break points (10/12 she didnt convert) and also too many DFs to no aces (7 DFs).

So Disrespectful
Jun 21st, 2008, 11:45 AM
Marion is certainly on the right track. Her strokes were at their stunning best for patches, but her timing was a still bit off. She needs to work on her second serve and also having more patience during rallies. But all things considered, I'm sure Marion will defend quite a few points; QF is possible. (Haven't looked at the draw yet)

Renalicious
Jun 21st, 2008, 12:14 PM
^ She has to beat Serena to get to the QF. :p R4 is probable.

Schnyderfreak
Jun 21st, 2008, 07:03 PM
Good to read that Marion's grass form is coming together , although her serve is still a weaker point. Good to know she's had a good preparation so that should give her confidence. I hope she gets through the first rounds well to get that confidence level up even more for when she meets the better players and then play her best form. I believe a QF is possible but she'll have to fight hard for it. doesn't matter cuz she knows it wasn't going to be easy anyway so get ready to rumble Marion and good luck at Wimbledon :bounce: :yeah:

Dave.
Jun 21st, 2008, 08:27 PM
^ She has to beat Serena to get to the QF. :p R4 is probable.

Marion vs Serena on grass :drool: Hope they both get there!

Renalicious
Jun 22nd, 2008, 02:41 AM
Me too, definitely taping that one. :inlove: :p SO DON'T LOSE MARION. :( :angel:

Poova
Jun 22nd, 2008, 08:14 PM
She might not even have to play Serena anyway... I hope not, it's a very bad match up for Marion. She just can't play well against big servers. :(

Let's just focus on her first matches first. :)

bruce goose
Jun 22nd, 2008, 10:28 PM
She might not even have to play Serena anyway... I hope not, it's a very bad match up for Marion. She just can't play well against big servers. :(

Let's just focus on her first matches first. :)It's not that she CAN'T win,but she has to get her mindset right.Henin USED TO get overpowered by both Williams sisters on grass,then she beat Serena impressively at Wimbledon and beat BOTH of them at the USO(not grass,but still a quicker surface that rewards big servers).

As you indicated,though,Marion better focus one match at a time given her recent struggles.

Iceland
Jun 23rd, 2008, 10:24 AM
Good luck Marion today!
I will try to overlook the fact that she plays on the graveyard :unsure:.

Iceland
Jun 23rd, 2008, 10:11 PM
No news about the match? :p

Marion defeated Sabine 62 64 :woohoo:!!!! A very good win, looks like Marion is back for good. Nothing to comment on the first set, Sabine played really badly, Marion didn't have to do much. The second set is much more interesting because the German girl went for her shots. Marion seemed really happy to play & she did everything right even though she was far from playing her best tennis. She didn't know her opponent and consequently struggled a bit in the rallies. The best part was definitely her serve which always remained reliable, she got broken only once. Her return was great as well since Sabine serves pretty impressively.

Nice start, Marion :yeah:!! 6 more matches to go, allez!!!! :hearts:

Bartoli's Boy
Jun 23rd, 2008, 10:14 PM
Marion wins 6-2, 6-4. :bounce: Great start to her Wimbledon campaign. I haven't been able to watch the match yet though... family members hogging the telly :ras:

Edit: Ooh, you got there just before me Iceland. Thanks for the match summary! :)

Marionated
Jun 23rd, 2008, 10:39 PM
No news about the match? :p

Marion defeated Sabine 62 64 :woohoo:!!!! A very good win, looks like Marion is back for good. Nothing to comment on the first set, Sabine played really badly, Marion didn't have to do much. The second set is much more interesting because the German girl went for her shots. Marion seemed really happy to play & she did everything right even though she was far from playing her best tennis. She didn't know her opponent and consequently struggled a bit in the rallies. The best part was definitely her serve which always remained reliable, she got broken only once. Her return was great as well since Sabine serves pretty impressively.

Nice start, Marion :yeah:!! 6 more matches to go, allez!!!! :hearts:


I don't think Sabine played badly in the first set. Marion was just on fire (the british commentators, Virginia Wade and Mark petchey were really impressed with her), but, yeah, Sabine did play better in the second set.
Analysing Marion's performance, I would she played pretty well: the serve was working, she was returning well and some of the winners were outrageous- two that really come to mind are:
.there was as a point in the second set where she was dragged out wide and hit an amazing angled winner.
.And there was a point where she was being dragged all over the court and looked completely out of the point- Sabine came to the net to try and finish the point off and Marion hit a stunning lob.

One thing that did annoy me though was the way she was standing way inside the baseline to return first serves.
I just hope she can get to the 4th round and play Serena.

Iceland
Jun 23rd, 2008, 10:57 PM
One thing that did annoy me though was the way she was standing way inside the baseline to return first serves.
I just hope she can get to the 4th round and play Serena.

So true! *sigh* I always get mad at her when she does that. It's her way of returning but at times she has to be less audacious & just put the return in. This is why she often loses to the big servers like the Williams sisters.
At least it didn't prevent her from breaking her opponent's serve :).

Dave.
Jun 24th, 2008, 12:24 AM
Congrats Marion :bounce:

On to Round 2 :dance:

Alizé Molik
Jun 24th, 2008, 05:47 AM
this is a very excitng match! I think it shuts the haters up alreayd who said she wouldn't win any matches at wimbledon!!!

i'm excited :D

Renalicious
Jun 24th, 2008, 11:18 AM
Who's next? First test through...so glad! :woohoo: A really great win.

weary
Jun 24th, 2008, 12:09 PM
Thank god Marion won! Good luck in round 2

Poova
Jun 24th, 2008, 01:22 PM
Who's next? First test through...so glad! :woohoo: A really great win.
Tatiana Perebiynis. Should be another easy win for Marion. :)

Renalicious
Jun 24th, 2008, 03:19 PM
Well an easy win is just too unexpected now, can't rely on anything just do your best Marion and I'll be happy with a win. :)

Schnyderfreak
Jun 24th, 2008, 03:37 PM
Well done to win the first match!! a good start is always important.
Good luck in the second round vs. Tatiana

Iceland
Jun 25th, 2008, 08:34 AM
Marion is 2nd on court 11. Allez! :bounce:

Renalicious
Jun 25th, 2008, 09:44 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb73a6TBNrA

An indication of how Marion's playing recently for those who have not seen her play a match since 2007 (like me, LOL.) :sad:

I'm sure Marion played good 1st round but she still has to step it up, she hit two more UE than winners (18 to 16) so I hope she plays even better this time around.

Alizé Molik
Jun 25th, 2008, 10:16 AM
still, again she is not on a great court :( good luck though Marion, I just really want to see her matches!

Renalicious
Jun 25th, 2008, 10:34 AM
Did she get moved to Centre Court for her first match?

Bartoli's Boy
Jun 25th, 2008, 05:09 PM
Marion won 6-2, 7-5 :bounce: She had to come back from 5-2 down in the second set :worship:

It wasn't the best match to watch though. Really windy and bad conditions. Marion was really struggling with her ball toss and getting quite angry on the court. She kept shouting at her dad in the stands, and there was this really uncomfortable moment where Marion and Perebiynis were arguing with each other after a game, over who should cross the net to their chair first. :help: Marion was pointing like "you will go first!" then she turned around and acted like she was going to go all the way around the other side instead. It was quite embarrassing. Hope she is in a better mood for her next match, because the crowd has been really supportive of her since last year.

A cool statistic is that Marion won 100% of first serve points in the first set. :D

Iceland
Jun 25th, 2008, 05:39 PM
Yes, I didn't enjoy this match at all, Perebiynis couldn't keep the ball in play. Marion won playing like crap in the second set, it should boost her confidence at least to get through in straights. She just played a perfect point to get the rebreak at 5/4 for Tatiana. Well I won't complain against a R3 show in a Slam, I'm really glad there is no early exit, that's what mattered the most.

She will need to improve her level in the next matches because she is a bit too inconsistent in my opinion. She struggles with keeping the same level all the time. Today she was really unimpressive but she has enough confidence to keep the ball in play to make good choices, something that she wouldn't have done earlier in the year.

Congrats Marion :yeah:. Hope Mattek wins against Dushevina!

Super_Marion
Jun 25th, 2008, 09:55 PM
Hi peeps. Marion ngot the job done, in straght sets what more can you ask..

Marion did seem a wee bit stressed at times. She was pretty unhappy with a few of the calls.. me too.

The crowd was pretty subdued and non partizan, or favoring the underdog. But unlike Monday night I didnt see or hear much in the way of French support in the crowd.. just one French guy, and me.

Marion had too muxh class and firepower for perebyinis.

Sund7101
Jun 26th, 2008, 03:44 AM
Good luck next round against Mattek, Marion!

5 more to go!!! :)

Iceland
Jun 26th, 2008, 09:38 AM
Marion said that she lost her concentration in the second set because she was following Nathalie on the board :lol:! She is extremely positive in her interviews explaining that she doesn't feel tired anymore, she can get up early feeling fresh and motivated to play! Apparently it was the source of her previous horrible form. She feels as well as last year.

In my opinion, she was playing better last year, she makes the mistake too easily I notice and her defensive game is not really effective, she generally plays too short & is a bit late in her moves when the opponent dictates the game. We'll see if she can improve that against Mattek. I wonder how the American girl reached this step but it shouldn't be difficult to beat her. I'm confident like Marion! ;)

Renalicious
Jun 26th, 2008, 10:23 AM
I agree her defense can be off. Sometimes Marion builds a point so well, hitting aggressively, and continually getting short balls back, but if she just hits that ONE ball just a teeny little bit with less power, and the opponent gets it back with mid-power, Marion can get off balance and doesnt have the capability to put a power ball back in play and instead goes for this short weird ball and then the opponent puts it away. So then the whole rally goes down the drain...

You know what I mean? lol.

Schnyderfreak
Jun 26th, 2008, 07:50 PM
Good news again to read that Marion's too strong for Tatiana.
still some weak spots to work on in defense and consistancy in power shots but overall performing and feeling well which is most important.
when she keeps this going against Mattek and wins again she could be in such form that her balls wil be even deeper and make her defense easier.
anyway if that's all we complain about that definitely means Marion is getting back into her old form.

wales1994
Jun 26th, 2008, 09:03 PM
good luck marion this is whedn u should hit form ;) hopefully!

Renalicious
Jun 27th, 2008, 06:38 AM
Marion Stats

http://www.wimbledon.org/en_GB/bios/stats/wta020631.html

Bartoli's Boy
Jun 27th, 2008, 08:09 PM
:tears:

That was horrible to watch... complete meltdown by Marion. Beth played amazing though, but Marion's attitude was so bad. She was so angry and frustrated all the time... her attitude was really negative in the match against Perebiynis also, but nowhere near as bad. It makes me wonder whether there is something going wrong in her personal life? :confused: Or perhaps it was just the pressure of defending her ranking all at Wimbledon. Congrats to Beth though, she played so well that nobody can really say that Marion would have definitely won if she was also playing her best...

But now Marion is gonna get tougher draws, which will make it even harder for her to play herself out of this slump. :sad: Ohh, I guess that Marion has just had too much expectation placed on her shoulders after Wimbledon 2007 and she just hasn't been able to handle it. I hope she can regroup and find that same level again. I don't want to listen to the people saying that she doesn't deserve to be around the top ten. :( She obviously has the talent to be a contender, especially on grass, but like so many other players who have had success come very suddenly, she needs the right mind to cope with the pressure also.

Marion. :hug:

Schnyderfreak
Jun 27th, 2008, 09:21 PM
:sad: Marion :hug:
Get over this quickly there are more points to be defended soon in the US.
Allright shit happens so deal with it if you want to show you're worthy of the top 10-20
that's just the way it is.!!!! ALLLEEEEEZZZZ

bruce goose
Jun 28th, 2008, 01:30 AM
This is my darkest day as a Marion fan but my loyalty to her will not waver.I'm NOT a mindreader so this is speculation to a large degree...but maybe Marion is one of those athletes who thrives better from an 'underdog' position.Some competitors seem to hit a wall,so to speak,once they elevate themselves to a level where success is now EXPECTED of them.

There have been BRIEF flashes of the 'old' Marion following Wimby '07,but there has been SO much awful,underachieving play thrown in the mix since then.It's easy to spout off with the 'get a new coach' solution,and I'm REALLY not sure whether or not that's the answer.Regardless,Marion has to do SOMETHING to give herself a better perspective right now.Maybe I'm blinded by love:hearts:;I HAVE to believe that 2007 was NOT a fluke and that we'll see YEC-caliber Marion:angel: again someday.

Renalicious
Jun 28th, 2008, 03:43 AM
Marion played bad. Beth played great. Marion was injured. Beth was determined. Marion was not.

This is just why she lost...I kind of expected it after Marion choked that break. She just doesn't have the mental capability to come back from matches anymore.

With that being sad, it's not been a bad tournament for Marion despite the bad loss. 3r is not thaaaaat bad.

bruce goose
Jun 28th, 2008, 04:41 AM
Marion played bad. Beth played great. Marion was injured. Beth was determined. Marion was not.

This is just why she lost...I kind of expected it after Marion choked that break. She just doesn't have the mental capability to come back from matches anymore.

With that being sad, it's not been a bad tournament for Marion despite the bad loss. 3r is not thaaaaat bad.While it's very gracious of you to TRY and put a positive spin on this,it's SAD when a former YEC participant has to look for moral victories in making the 3rd Round of a tourney....I can imagine Brazil losing to the U.S. in soccer,and then telling some Brazilians:Oh,it's not so bad,you only lost by one goal.:(...I hope that Marion's future prospects are MUCH brighter than THIS.:help:

Renalicious
Jun 28th, 2008, 08:21 AM
She's in a slump...give her a break. She burned out and I honestly thought it would be difficult for her to go past the first round.

Extract from Marion's interview.

Q. How far did you expect to get this tournament?

MARION BARTOLI: Well, I never set myself goals in terms of results, I qualify or semifinal or whatever. I just wanted to play some great tennis, which I was able to do the first two rounds, but today was just not a good day for me.

Interesting stat: Marion actually hit more winners in her 3r match and also less errors than her 1r match! Her serving was horrible though.

bruce goose
Jun 28th, 2008, 12:14 PM
You're NOT dealing with a hater,here;look at your own words,'burned out'.It's only natural for us to be concerned about her when she has reached a stage like this.She's in a slump...give her a break. She burned out and I honestly thought it would be difficult for her to go past the first round.

Extract from Marion's interview.

Q. How far did you expect to get this tournament?

MARION BARTOLI: Well, I never set myself goals in terms of results, I qualify or semifinal or whatever. I just wanted to play some great tennis, which I was able to do the first two rounds, but today was just not a good day for me.

Interesting stat: Marion actually hit more winners in her 3r match and also less errors than her 1r match! Her serving was horrible though.

Super_Marion
Jun 29th, 2008, 12:40 AM
Did any of you watch the BBC coverage of the match. What did you think of it?

Marionated
Jun 29th, 2008, 02:27 AM
I saw it Super Marion.
Basically, Marion just didn't want to be there imo. She was yelling at Walter and smashing her racket. I think the pressure got to her :sad:

It makes my laugh how people on the main board said the injury was fake and tatical when there obviously was something wrong with her shoulder. I mean, her first serve just wasn't effective at all (she won like 42% of the points behind it- compare that to winning 100% in the first set of her second round match), and obviously this was because of the shoulder injury. The returns were crap too. She tanked so many weak 70mph odd second serve returns.

Marion has never been a good mover but in this match looked really slow- some of the winners Mattek hit would of been retrieved by a quicker player.

However, Mattek should be commended on a great performance. She fully deserved the win.

With Azarenka's loss today, Marion will most likely be at no15 when the new rankings come out(so only a dip of 5 places :)).

I'm kind of glad Wimbledon is over for Marion. Hopefully now the pressure is off she can start playing like we know she can. Next up is Stanford where she doesn't have any points to defend, so hopefully she can have a good run there :)

Super_Marion
Jun 29th, 2008, 11:27 AM
I got messages from quite a few people saying that the commentry team where saying stuff about her.

If any of guys feel that the BBC coomentary towards Marion was unfair, then I urge you to inbox me asap with what was said, and how you feel about it. We may have grounds to make a complaint. It isnt the first time they have verbally mistreated Marion.

bruce goose
Jun 29th, 2008, 03:10 PM
I got messages from quite a few people saying that the commentry team where saying stuff about her.

If any of guys feel that the BBC coomentary towards Marion was unfair, then I urge you to inbox me asap with what was said, and how you feel about it. We may have grounds to make a complaint. It isnt the first time they have verbally mistreated Marion.Well,BBC isn't terribly popular here in Mexico except amongst those who like lots of variety...and those who have an illegal receiver dish(which is VERY common and hard to monitor for the local cable company)...it's hard for our people to follow British programs sometimes when they are much more accustomed to hearing American accents.

I'm curious:what kind of abusive comments would they make about Marion,and why would they do such a thing?:mad: Your people are known for being so 'refined',and I don't think that even gringo commentators would use harsh language unless an athlete had some sort of clear-cut moral shortcoming.Are these nattering heds upset because Marion is so much healthier than the scrawny,malnourished,unsightly women that serve as British female celebrities nowadays(Keira Knightly,et al.)?

Bartoli's Boy
Jun 29th, 2008, 03:13 PM
I watched the BBC coverage and there was nothing wrong with it, in my opinion. What the commentators said about the injury timeout was perfectly fair. Basically, they said that calling for the trainer/toilet breaks etc, just when the opponent has scored an advantage, is becoming a big problem in the women's game and that they wish that somebody would do something to curtail it.

Obviously there was the clear suggestion that Marion was using gamesmanship, but given the circumstances, I think it was a fair suggestion. I mean, if Marion or any other player is so injured that they can't be competitive, then they shouldn't play in the first place. Obviously it's understandable that Marion wouldn't want to give up on her favourite tournament, but if she makes the decision to play anyway, I don't think she should be calling long timeouts for injuries that were there before the match and she decided to ignore. You should accept the existing injury and play through it if it doesn't get any worse. Otherwise it's like saying, "I've been injured the whole match, so I can take an injury timeout whenever I like"... and if thinking like that is acceptable, it's no surprise that you're going to take your injury timeout at a crucial moment in the game, when your opponent has all the momentum. Marion had two consecutive injury timeouts remember, so we're not just talking about her shoulder getting worse. In order to not be taking at least one of those timeouts unfairly, she would have to have gotten two bad injuries, or made two existing injuries a lot worse, just as Beth was going to serve out the first set. Sorry if this seems like I'm being disloyal, but I just don't believe that. :help: That's why I didn't mention anything about Marions injuries in my previous post.

I still love her though... :kiss: but I have to call it how I see it, rather than make excuses for Marion. Also, the BBC commentators made it clear that they believed that it's not the players who are at fault for taking tactical timeouts, but the WTA for allowing them to do it. They weren't slamming Marion in particular, as if she is worse than all the other players who do the same thing. They were also talking about Marion's game in a very complimentary fashion, considering how bad she was playing... that she is very tough to play against, a great grass court player and that she could always come back to win the match.

bruce goose
Jun 29th, 2008, 03:18 PM
I watched the BBC coverage and there was nothing wrong with it, in my opinion. What the commentators said about the injury timeout was perfectly fair. Basically, they said that calling for the trainer/toilet breaks etc, just when the opponent has scored an advantage, is becoming a big problem in the women's game and that they wish that somebody would do something to curtail it.

Obviously there was the clear suggestion that Marion was using gamesmanship, but given the circumstances, I think it was a fair suggestion. I mean, if Marion or any other player is so injured that they can't be competitive, then they shouldn't play in the first place. Obviously it's understandable that Marion wouldn't want to give up on her favourite tournament, but if she makes the decision to play anyway, I don't think she should be calling long timeouts for injuries that were there before the match and she decided to ignore. You should accept the existing injury and play through it if it doesn't get any worse. Otherwise it's like saying, "I've been injured the whole match, so I can take an injury timeout whenever I like"... and if thinking like that is acceptable, it's no surprise that you're going to take your injury timeout at a crucial moment in the game, when your opponent has all the momentum. Marion had two consecutive injury timeouts remember, so we're not just talking about her shoulder getting worse. In order to not be taking at least one of those timeouts unfairly, she would have to have gotten two bad injuries, or made two existing injuries a lot worse, just as Beth was going to serve out the first set. Sorry if this seems like I'm being disloyal, but I just don't believe that. :help: That's why I didn't mention anything about Marions injuries in my previous post.

I still love her though... :kiss: but I have to call it how I see it, rather than make excuses for Marion. Also, the BBC commentators made it clear that they believed that it's not the players who are at fault for taking tactical timeouts, but the WTA for allowing them to do it. They weren't slamming Marion in particular, as if she is worse than all the other players who do the same thing. They were also talking about Marion's game in a very complimentary fashion, considering how bad she was playing... that she is very tough to play against, a great grass court player and that she could always come back to win the match.Thanks for your insight,'BB';your description is very thorough and sounds credible.Even if Marion WASN'T guilty of deliberate gamesmanship,I can understand how tennis-lovers want to protect the integrity of the sport from those who don't respect it as much.

Super_Marion
Jun 29th, 2008, 11:37 PM
Someone told me "the commentators are criticising her left, right, and centre". Someone else said "they were very rude about her" and another said he was "outraged" by their remarks.

weary
Jul 3rd, 2008, 11:10 AM
Marion :hug: Good luck for the USO Series