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AndreConrad
May 12th, 2008, 03:21 PM
There is a lot of discussion about Justine, Serena, Maria and others lately who are slumping or coming out of one. The ones that currently are in their low performance period get often vote of no confidence about their future. I guess it is a natural behavior of many fans who expect the best performance from their favorites at all times and “ant-fans” who are happy that the opponent of their favorite is going away. Looking at all of those posts I was trying to remember if there was a player without a “hitch” in their career. Honestly I could not think of one. Perhaps Chris Evert and Steffi Graf were the closest to it, but even they had periods of weakness. Can you think of anyone? Share your thoughts please.

The Kaz
May 12th, 2008, 03:22 PM
No one...every tennis players has there ups and downs. Period. :)

Petkorazzi
May 12th, 2008, 03:25 PM
Brie Whitehead, Amy Dillingham, Caroline Kottutz.

Highlandman
May 12th, 2008, 03:25 PM
All have worse periods, that's right. Nobody is perfect.

Steffi Graf? Yeah, she played on a high level for almost all years. Won a Slam in every year between 1987-1996 and then the worse 1997 & 1998. Okay, even these two years were not that bad, she just had worse results than in years before and didn't win a Grand-Slam. She had a few troubles in these two years, I'm happy her career ended so great then in 1999 :D

And in 1998: Graf lost to Zvereva, against who she is 20-1 in H2H :lol: And just lost 3 sets in her 20 wins against her :lol: I think it says all about Steffi '98.

Chunchun
May 12th, 2008, 03:26 PM
In fact every athlete has ups and downs, we are just human :shrug:

If you count out Justine's Virus in 04, I guess she is no slumping until this year :tape:

kwilliams
May 12th, 2008, 03:36 PM
It's all quite relative really. A top player can't continually win every other slam. Sharapova's slump last year wasn't awful she just had a couple of bad losses to Serena, at the USO and a couple of other events. She made her first AO final, her first RG semi, won San Diego (I), didn't play in autumn but played some great matches at the YEC. Also her Wimbledon loss to Venus was no great shame really. I think her slump last year was entirely relative because she is usually quite consistent in the slams and wins at least 3/4 tournaments a year. It wasn't the biggest abomination ever or anything.

markdelaney
May 12th, 2008, 05:18 PM
sometimes a world number one can set ridiculously high standards and then an average year is considered a slump.
The difference between when Martina and Steffi (88-89) were number one was that they clearly were number one players both on form, ability and results. These days you often find the world number one beaten heavily by Serena or Venus who lack the motivation and fitness to get the points to be top ranked, but on form will clearly blow away the "current" number one. After '97 Hingis was beatable by almost anybody in the top 10 but she stayed number one for a long time despite some awful results. She lost to Serena, Venus, Kournikova, Seles, Davenport, Novotna, Pierce, Schnyder, Van Roost, Graf, Mauresmo, Rubin, Dokic, Martinez, Frazier, Capriati, Clijsters, Sanchez-Vicario, Ruano-Pascual, Dementieva all while ranked number one. But despite all those defeats and no grand slam win since February 99, she still stayed number one for a few more years !

Mightymirza
May 12th, 2008, 05:22 PM
only one I can think of is federer..(Hope I am not jinxing him)

hingis-seles
May 12th, 2008, 05:24 PM
Monica Seles before the attack?

markhingis
May 12th, 2008, 05:40 PM
Hingis had no slump I think. In her prime years she was being beaten by other top players. But she was constant.

darrinbaker00
May 12th, 2008, 05:42 PM
Perhaps Chris Evert and Steffi Graf were the closest to it, but even they had periods of weakness.
Evert's career won-loss percentage was .900, and Graf's was .887. When were their periods of weakness?

AcesHigh
May 12th, 2008, 05:43 PM
Evert's career won-loss percentage was .900, and Graf's was .887. When were their periods of weakness?

Someone could consider the early 90s a slump for Graf. Relative to her level, she was not performing as usual.

Slutati
May 12th, 2008, 05:44 PM
only one I can think of is federer..(Hope I am not jinxing him)
He's kinda slumping this year.
Anyways, Golovin:D She's always injured:lol:

markdelaney
May 12th, 2008, 05:45 PM
Monica Seles before the attack?

Very true, Between September 90 and her stabbing in 93, she failed only once to make the final of the 36 tournaments she entered.

markdelaney
May 12th, 2008, 05:49 PM
Someone could consider the early 90s a slump for Graf. Relative to her level, she was not performing as usual.

Graf also had a long series of defeats to Sabatini ( 5 in a row, and 7 losses out of 8 matches)in 91/92 though she had lost the No.1 ranking to Seles after the first 3 defeats.

darrinbaker00
May 12th, 2008, 05:52 PM
Someone could consider the early 90s a slump for Graf. Relative to her level, she was not performing as usual.
Besides Graf herself, who?

Becool
May 12th, 2008, 05:53 PM
only one I can think of is federer..(Hope I am not jinxing him)

He is in a slump

AcesHigh
May 12th, 2008, 06:05 PM
Besides Graf herself, who?

I said it's relative. When you have 3 years(90-92) of 3 slams total sandwiched in between 87-89(8 slams) and 93-95(7 slams). I consider it a slump for Graf. Especially when she was losing uncharacteristically to players she dominated, etc.

<Sven>
May 12th, 2008, 06:17 PM
Define slump...
I agree that Federer is in a slump, cause normally he wins almost everything that is not on clay, and now he won one mickey mouse event (on clay btw)
Henin is in a slump too, normally she doesn't get butchered by other top players or loses (not even a set) to players outside top 15, certainly not on clay!
Mauresmo is in a slump too
But when a player loses a few matches, I don't think that means she is in a slump... everyone loses matches. I think a slump is defined as losing to players you normally never lose against, and losing hard to the ones that are normally at your level in the game...
In my opinion someone like Kuznetsove has thus never had a slump. Neither had Ivanovic or Jankovic. They still lose to players ranked lower, but not on a regular basis for a long period.

Direwolf
May 12th, 2008, 06:18 PM
Hingis!!

thats all

darrinbaker00
May 12th, 2008, 06:25 PM
I said it's relative. When you have 3 years(90-92) of 3 slams total sandwiched in between 87-89(8 slams) and 93-95(7 slams). I consider it a slump for Graf. Especially when she was losing uncharacteristically to players she dominated, etc.
I understand where you're coming from, but I have a hard time calling three majors in three years a "slump" for anybody. There are players in the Hall of Fame that never won a singles major at all, let alone one a year for three years.

OsloErik
May 12th, 2008, 06:51 PM
I'm trying to think if Davenport ever had a dip in form that couldn't easily be explained; injury and slump are different, and I feel like each of her dips in form consistently dovetailed with injuries.

I'd also say Graf in the early 90's is a slump, although there's a good argument to write it off because of the bone spurs. There are so many unfortunate things about the early 90's in tennis, and the worst is that we never got to see Graf and Seles play each other both at their peak. A lot of people claim that Seles was dominating her, but that's not entirely true. Seles was dominating the tour, but Graf was losing to the Sabatini's and ASV's of the tour before she could reach Seles in the final. I ran numbers once, maybe five or six months ago, and essentially determined that from 1987 through 1989 she lost only 4 matches against a select group of players, and from 1993-1996 she lost only 6 matches against a select group of players, but from 1990-1992 she lost something like 15 to this same group.

Evert never particularly had a slump. She never decreased her level, per se. Navratilova got better during that 17 match win streak. Tracy Austin was Chris v2.0, younger faster blonder, and Mandlikova was mercurial, but Evert was pretty constant.

CrossCourt~Rally
May 12th, 2008, 07:22 PM
Chris Evert :worship:

AndreConrad
May 12th, 2008, 07:32 PM
Define slump...

and the definition below :)... Thanks AcesHigh :hatoff:

...when she was losing uncharacteristically to players she dominated, etc.

It is funny how time provides proper perspective and clarity. A lot of us have hard time seeing Steffi's or Chris' "slump". It may be very likely that a few years from now we will not see Henin's slide in performance while today some think she is finished (who knows :shrug:)... This is good reading a lot of insightful thoughts, thanks :wavey:

spencercarlos
May 12th, 2008, 09:36 PM
Someone could consider the early 90s a slump for Graf. Relative to her level, she was not performing as usual.
Other players took over, Gaby played her best tennis during 1990-1992 and Seles was the undisputable world number one in (91-93). Arantxa, and Jana we playing great as well, making some grand slam finals at the time as well and beating Graf at some important matches.

LCS
May 12th, 2008, 09:47 PM
Dokic, Lucic and Stevenson.

Olórin
May 12th, 2008, 09:54 PM
Chris is the only player I can think of who never had a slump. She had periods where she didn't quite live upto her usual standards, most nobably the 1979 and 1983. But she never really had a slump where she had a string of bad losses and below par play.

LudwigDvorak
May 12th, 2008, 10:07 PM
Only one. Dementieva's never slumped from AFRing.

Collective
May 12th, 2008, 10:08 PM
Brie Whitehead. She's probably the most consistent player ever result-wise.

danieln1
May 12th, 2008, 10:09 PM
Lindsay Davenport NEVER slumped in her career, she rarely loses to player ranked below her... Only injuries prevents her

Olórin
May 12th, 2008, 10:12 PM
Also, I think having a slump is more than playing below par, it is having consistently bad losses, losses that are bad objectively, in anyone's book. Just because a player sets insanely high standards, and even if they live up to those standards in several seasons over different portions of their career it is imo, a bit overblown, whenever they fall below that standard by just 5-10%, to call it a slump.

This is why I have trouble deeming Graf's 90-92 period as a slump. She wasn't playing much differently to in 1993 when she won 3 Grand Slams. She lost 5 matches in 1990 and 6 in 1993, one year she was losing to Sabatini in three sets, the next she was beating her in three sets. There's a fine line. I think when someone's slumping there's a very clearly defined line.

Dave.
May 12th, 2008, 10:28 PM
Also, I think having a slump is more than playing below par, it is having consistently bad losses, losses that are bad objectively, in anyone's book. Just because a player sets insanely high standards, and even if they live up to those standards in several seasons over different portions of their career it is imo, a bit overblown, whenever they fall below that standard by just 5-10%, to call it a slump.

This is why I have trouble deeming Graf's 90-92 period as a slump. She wasn't playing much differently to in 1993 when she won 3 Grand Slams. She lost 5 matches in 1990 and 6 in 1993, one year she was losing to Sabatini in three sets, the next she was beating her in three sets. There's a fine line. I think when someone's slumping there's a very clearly defined line.

:worship::worship::worship:

I agree. The term slump is thrown around too much.

Dawn Marie
May 12th, 2008, 11:41 PM
Serena Williams. She wins titles and performs well throughout the year. Minus injuries. Serena Williams is pretty much consistant even during slams.

darrinbaker00
May 12th, 2008, 11:41 PM
and the definition below :)... Thanks AcesHigh :hatoff:



It is funny how time provides proper perspective and clarity. A lot of us have hard time seeing Steffi's or Chris' "slump". It may be very likely that a few years from now we will not see Henin's slide in performance while today some think she is finished (who knows :shrug:)... This is good reading a lot of insightful thoughts, thanks :wavey:
That's because they never had one. Not only did Evert win 90 percent of all her singles matches, she won 157 out of the 303 tournaments she entered, and was runner-up another 72 times; in other words, out of every four tournaments Chris Evert played as a professional, she reached the final round in three of them. She won at least one major a year for THIRTEEN straight years. Heck, she even double-bageled Martina Navratilova once. Where's the slump?

homogenius
May 12th, 2008, 11:42 PM
Serena Williams. She wins titles and performs well throughout the year. Minus injuries. Serena Williams is pretty much consistant even during slams.

:help:

darrinbaker00
May 12th, 2008, 11:45 PM
Serena Williams. She wins titles and performs well throughout the year. Minus injuries. Serena Williams is pretty much consistant even during slams.
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MH0861
May 12th, 2008, 11:58 PM
Davenport is pretty close, she also didn't have like an amazing run of consistent slams or anything but I don't think she ever "slumped". She came back in 2002 and made lots of finals, though she didn't win any, and 2003 was a patchy year but it was because she was injured, and it was still a top 5 year. The tail end of 2006 when she returned from injury wasn't terribly hot either, but she made a Tier II final, slam QF, Tier III SF and Tier II QF. To say that's her worst patch says something.

Highlandman
May 13th, 2008, 12:04 AM
Evert's career won-loss percentage was .900, and Graf's was .887. When were their periods of weakness?

Like I already posted, for Graf it was definitely 1997 & 1998. Especially if you compare it to other years of her career. There were lots of troubles for her in this time when I'm right, but yeah, this period was probably her "slump"-time.

Mightymirza
May 13th, 2008, 12:07 AM
He is in a slump

haha its not clear until we see the slams :shrug: his result was still good at AO :shrug: Not like Pova bageled him :lol: :help:

Highlandman
May 13th, 2008, 12:08 AM
Someone could consider the early 90s a slump for Graf. Relative to her level, she was not performing as usual.

Hm, that's difficult to say, I mean her Singles-Record was still amazing in this time & she still won Grand-Slams in these years. She just dropped down to #2 , otherwise these years were still not bad. 1997 & 1998 were definitely worse, especially after winning all 3 Grand-Slams she played in 1996.

Highlandman
May 13th, 2008, 12:12 AM
Hingis had no slump I think. In her prime years she was being beaten by other top players. But she was constant.

If you don't count 2002 and her "new career" after 2006 you are probably right. Losses like to Dokic '99 or Ruano-Pascual '01 were really exceptions for her till included 2001. However her level obviously dropped down a bit from year to year after 1997, which was really an unbelievable year for her.