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samsam4087
May 10th, 2008, 03:00 PM
Who is a better clay court player? Elena Dementieva or Ana Ivanovic?

:confused::confused::confused:

http://www.muchtennis.com/predementieva.jpg

http://www.anaivanovic.com/pictures/downloads/ana_sporty_thumb.jpg

samsam4087
May 10th, 2008, 03:03 PM
I think Elena is a better clay court player.

http://cdn-channels.netscape.com/cp/sports/pm/i/dementieva_2.jpg

Demska
May 10th, 2008, 03:03 PM
I think Elena is a better clay court player.

http://cdn-channels.netscape.com/cp/sports/pm/i/dementieva_2.jpg

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Nikkiri
May 10th, 2008, 03:04 PM
Oh dear. :o

The Kaz
May 10th, 2008, 03:08 PM
LenaD? or AnaI?

:confused::confused::confused:

nicidle
May 10th, 2008, 03:14 PM
The result speaks for itself.

DEETHELICK
May 10th, 2008, 03:15 PM
Elena is a better mover, and a cleaner hitter. She has begun varying the peace, depth, angle and height of her shots, which will help on clay, but I think Ana could develop into a better clay player with better shot selection and movement.

joão.
May 10th, 2008, 03:17 PM
Lena

LCS
May 10th, 2008, 03:24 PM
Elena = movement = better player on clay

Slutati
May 10th, 2008, 04:34 PM
Elena is the most confident player on clay:confused::confused::confused:

http://cdn-channels.netscape.com/cp/sports/pm/i/dementieva_2.jpg

:worship::worship::worship:

Topspin2
May 10th, 2008, 04:38 PM
Lena ;)

LCS
May 10th, 2008, 05:28 PM
Elena is the most confident player on clay:confused::confused::confused:

http://cdn-channels.netscape.com/cp/sports/pm/i/dementieva_2.jpg

:worship::worship::worship:

You're not samsam so cut the act...:(

Slutati
May 10th, 2008, 05:33 PM
You're not samsam so cut the act...:(
But I love samsam:bigcry::sobbing:

goldenlox
May 10th, 2008, 06:43 PM
Until Ana beats Lena, there's no question who's better.

samsam4087
May 10th, 2008, 10:29 PM
But I love samsam:bigcry::sobbing:

:hearts::hearts::hearts:

Cp6uja
May 10th, 2008, 10:45 PM
In-form Ana Ivanovic is better, and she will prove that at Roland Garros this year again i hope. Last year before start of europian claycourt season Ana played both green clay tournaments in USA and instead FED CUP she have special 2-week claycourt preparations in Barcelona, so she played at her peak in Berlin. This season Ana miss both green clay tournaments, played FED CUP week at Zagreb hardcourts where she reach some virus-illness (with fever) and stay in Belgrade next week, so Berlin this season is actualy begin of her 2008 claycourt preparations. That is reason why she must to play TB against lucky loser Agkul, why she is so close to lose against Bammer, and only reason why inexperience Szavay not beat her is b/c she choke in 2nd set. On other hand Dementieva played at Charleston, instead FED CUP have special claycourt preparations + that EXO at Warsaw red clay before Berlin so she played here at her best level for sure. I dont know how Ana will play next week in Rome, but no reasons to belive that for Paris she will not be 100% ready. I'm very optimistic about Ana because only player which realy scare me at clay is in big slump (Henin) and i expect of her atleast FO semi. On other hand Lena will play in QF round against Justine, Ana, Maria or Sveta/Jelena and i think she will probably lose (best chances i give her against Maria). Like fan of Ivanovic i most like to see her QF opponent (5-8 seeds) Chakvetadze/Venus - than Dementieva. Serena and JJ/Sveta will be harder option because i expect big improvment of theirs claycourt game before RG.

new-york
May 10th, 2008, 10:52 PM
Until Ana beats Lena, there's no question who's better.

a better clay court player.
generally.
h2h are rarely relevant to answer this kind of question.

samsam4087
May 10th, 2008, 10:52 PM
In-form Ana Ivanovic is better, and she will prove that at Roland Garros this year again i hope. Last year before start of europian claycourt season Ana played both green clay tournaments in USA and instead FED CUP she have special 2-week claycourt preparations in Barcelona, so she played at her peak in Berlin. This season Ana miss both green clay tournaments, played FED CUP week at Zagreb hardcourts where she reach some virus-illness (with fever) and stay in Belgrade next week, so Berlin this season is actualy begin of her 2008 claycourt preparations. That is reason why she must to play TB against lucky loser Agkul, why she is so close to lose against Bammer, and only reason why inexperience Szavay not beat her is b/c she choke in 2nd set. On other hand Dementieva played at Charleston, instead FED CUP have special claycourt preparations + that EXO at Warsaw red clay before Berlin so she played here at her best level for sure. I dont know how Ana will play next week in Rome, but no reasons to belive that for Paris she will not be 100% ready. I'm very optimistic about Ana because only player which realy scare me at clay is in big slump (Henin) and i expect of her atleast FO semi. On other hand Lena will play in QF round against Justine, Ana, Maria or Sveta/Jelena and i think she will probably lose (best chances i give her against Maria). Like fan of Ivanovic i most like to see her QF opponent (5-8 seeds) Chakvetadze/Venus - than Dementieva. Serena and JJ/Sveta will be harder option because i expect big improvment of theirs claycourt game before RG.

thanks

:worship::worship::worship:

goldenlox
May 10th, 2008, 11:04 PM
a better clay court player.
generally.
h2h are rarely relevant to answer this kind of question.
Lena has been to an RG final. Beat Justine and Lindsay to win a green clay title, and just beat Ana and Jelena in Berlin.
She's a better player, clay or anywhere else.

No Name Face
May 10th, 2008, 11:06 PM
Dementieva. Esp on green clay.

CrossCourt~Rally
May 10th, 2008, 11:14 PM
That Elena pic is LEGEND :bowdown:

Il Primo!
May 10th, 2008, 11:16 PM
a better clay court player.
generally.
h2h are rarely relevant to answer this kind of question.


It's Goldentrollx, what do you expect dude?:o

goldenlox
May 10th, 2008, 11:20 PM
Fuck you. Ivanovic didn't even play a semi in Berlin last year, then beat Sveta, who's choked in finals for 2 years.
Lena just rolled over Jelena and Ana.
Maria just passed Ana to take #2, and I won't be surprised if Ana keeps dropping.
She's definately not a top 3 player, somewhere 4-9, like Lena is.

Costanza
May 10th, 2008, 11:21 PM
I think they are,both, very good on clay.Against current TOP 10 on clay, Ana is 4-4 and Dementieva 5-7.So,it's very hard to decide:confused:

Direwolf
May 10th, 2008, 11:22 PM
Ana Ivanovic...

but she had an off day...
soo...

Costanza
May 10th, 2008, 11:22 PM
It's Goldentrollx, what do you expect dude?:o

:haha::haha::haha:

LCS
May 10th, 2008, 11:24 PM
But I love samsam:bigcry::sobbing:

LOLOL whatever...:lol::lol:

new-york
May 11th, 2008, 12:21 AM
Lena has been to an RG final. Beat Justine and Lindsay to win a green clay title, and just beat Ana and Jelena in Berlin.
She's a better player, clay or anywhere else.

ok, but that was not my point.

Until Ana beats Lena, there's no question who's better.

THAT is not relevant.
Just that.

SOA_MC
May 11th, 2008, 12:44 AM
Goldenlox still pumps up Chakvetadze top 10 credentials:o

mal
May 11th, 2008, 12:53 AM
Fuck you. Ivanovic didn't even play a semi in Berlin last year, then beat Sveta, who's choked in finals for 2 years.
Lena just rolled over Jelena and Ana.
Maria just passed Ana to take #2, and I won't be surprised if Ana keeps dropping.
She's definately not a top 3 player, somewhere 4-9, like Lena is.

Wow. My tennis brain just increased four IQ points.

homogenius
May 11th, 2008, 01:07 AM
Lena has been to an RG final. Beat Justine and Lindsay to win a green clay title, and just beat Ana and Jelena in Berlin.
She's a better player, clay or anywhere else.

In 10 years of professionnal tennis, Dementieva made a total of 6 finals (with Berlin).
She won Amelia I.(T2) and Istambul (T3 and only title on red clay).She lost in Acapulco (T3) Charleston (T1) and RG.

Results at RG : 2R 2R 2R 4R 1R F 4R 3R 3R
She lost to players like Nagyova, C. Fernandez, Sanchez L., Likhovtseva, Peer and Bartoli and each time she was the higher ranked player.
Her run at RG included a win over Davenport in 4R (lol), a win over Amelie in QF (no comment), and Suarez in semi.I wouldn't call that a fluke run but when you see that it was the only time she passed the 4R in 9 participations, and the players she had to beat...she doesn't appear as the greatest clay courter of all time.


Ana Ivanovic : in much less time on tour she already won a T1 on RED clay.
RG results : QF 3R F
2005 : QF in her first participation, lost to Petrova(#9).
2006 : 3R loss against Myskina(#11 and past winner)
2007 : F, lost to Henin after beating Kuzy and her Majesty Sharapova.

With just few years on tour Ivanovic seems a bit more efficient on clay, no ?

Lunaris
May 11th, 2008, 01:21 AM
In this era we really shouldn't be talking about claycourters. Aside from a few Spain and Argentina girls there are none. This is more a matter of match up than surface.

Cp6uja
May 11th, 2008, 01:23 AM
Until Ana beats Lena, there's no question who's better.Elena = movement = better player on clayElena takes the time away from Ana, she doesn't allow Ana to prepare her blinding winners/unreturnables. Not every one match or great win has to be won with constant winners and stunning play, especially against Ivanovic who, despite being #2, is a very raw, incomplete player. :shrug: Elena takes advantage of every single weakness Ana has and she forces errors out of her. She doesn't have to hit winners to beat her, so it looks like Ivanovic is just playing bad when Elena refuses to let Ana breathe.Ivanovic has no tools to beat Dementieva. She can't exploit Lena's BH because her own BH is not a weapon. She can't overpower Lena with her forehand. She is slower than Lena. She can't volley.
The outcome of their match depends solely on how Lena plays.
^^^ Two of this 4 quotes is for one other "not serious" GM thread and i think this is better place for this discussion.


Patty Schnyder and Venus Williams have way impressive 4-0 h2h match-up start against Ana because not drop any set, but Ana after that beat Patty three times in the row and won last match against Venus. Zvonareva last season humiliate Ana twice like Elena never do, but in next two matches Ana easy beat Bepa. Ana Ivanovic is classic power player, BIG GIRL - HARD HITTER and that is exactly kind of players which make biggest troubles in Elena career so far.

If Ana Ivanovic realy dont have weapons to beat Elena, and her power forehand and serve is not enough and she is not enough fast...etc... - how on earth other power/big/slow girls like Lindsay, Maria and Sveta already beat Dementieva 24 times so far, and how on earth Ivanovic at 20 already have almost same career achivments like Elena at 27!?!?

So please dont BS here and construct some strange teories from this h2h.

BTW i must notice one unbelivable coincidence which is more responsibile for this strange h2h record than any of this arguments about theirs games - in last 3 years (since may of 2005) Elena Dementieva played about 60 tournaments and reach 8 finals. 3 of all 4 matches between Elena and Ana is played at some of this 8 Elenas best played tournaments and only one at some of other 50 when Elena obviously is not so impressive. I think that any of current WTA TOP20 players will beat at her best mediocre Ivanovic, but theirs is not so happy to meet Ana only at their best and when Ana sucks - like Elena do so far.

Il Primo!
May 11th, 2008, 01:31 AM
In 10 years of professionnal tennis, Dementieva made a total of 6 finals (with Berlin).
She won Amelia I.(T2) and Istambul (T3 and only title on red clay).She lost in Acapulco (T3) Charleston (T1) and RG.

Results at RG : 2R 2R 2R 4R 1R F 4R 3R 3R
She lost to players like Nagyova, C. Fernandez, Sanchez L., Likhovtseva, Peer and Bartoli and each time she was the higher ranked player.
Her run at RG included a win over Davenport in 4R (lol), a win over Amelie in QF (no comment), and Suarez in semi.I wouldn't call that a fluke run but when you see that it was the only time she passed the 4R in 9 participations, and the players she had to beat...she doesn't appear as the greatest clay courter of all time.


Ana Ivanovic : in much less time on tour she already won a T1 on RED clay.
RG results : QF 3R F
2005 : QF in her first participation, lost to Petrova(#9).
2006 : 3R loss against Myskina(#11 and past winner)
2007 : F, lost to Henin after beating Kuzy and her Majesty Sharapova.

With just few years on tour Ivanovic seems a bit more efficient on clay, no ?


No. Not before Ana gets the russian nationality.

LudwigDvorak
May 11th, 2008, 01:39 AM
^^^ Two of this 4 quotes is for one other "not serious" GM thread and i think this is better place for this discussion.


Patty Schnyder and Venus Williams have way impressive 4-0 h2h match-up start against Ana because not drop any set, but Ana after that beat Patty three times in the row and won last match against Venus. Zvonareva last season humiliate Ana twice like Elena never do, but in next two matches Ana easy beat Bepa. Ana Ivanovic is classic power player, BIG GIRL - HARD HITTER and that is exactly kind of players which make biggest troubles in Elena career so far.

If Ana Ivanovic realy dont have weapons to beat Elena, and her power forehand and serve is not enough and she is not enough fast...etc... - how on earth other power/big/slow girls like Lindsay, Maria and Sveta already beat Dementieva 24 times so far, and how on earth Ivanovic at 20 already have almost same career achivments like Elena at 27!?!?

So please dont BS here and construct some strange teories from this h2h.

BTW i must notice one unbelivable coincidence which is more responsibile for this strange h2h record than any of this arguments about theirs games - in last 3 years (since may of 2005) Elena Dementieva played about 60 tournaments and reach 8 finals. 3 of all 4 matches between Elena and Ana is played at some of this 8 Elenas best played tournaments and only one at some of other 50 when Elena obviously is not so impressive. I think that any of current WTA TOP20 players will beat at her best mediocre Ivanovic, but theirs is not so happy to meet Ana only at their best and when Ana sucks - like Elena do so far.

Lindsay and Maria are better than Ana, and Sveta is a tough match-up for Elena while not better than Ana per se. Elena struggles against almost everyone, not necessarily just powerful big hitters.

And no one expects Elena to never lose to Ana. One day Ana will play better than Elena, and I expect as Ana gets older and Elena as well, the H2H will start reversing. Ivanovic has the ability to be as good as Justine or Serena or Venus, or at least perhaps get near their slam counts. She's done so much in her career and she's only 20 and still have several aspects of her game where she can improve. We, AnnaK and I, are only pointing out that Elena has the type of game that can bother Ana since she's an excellent defender and has excellent offense as well. She doesn't expose Ana's movement that much--along with that aspect of her game improving, Elena doesn't have the ability to make these slow players move around aside from select points here and there. That's probably why their matches are as tight as they are. Ana's first strike just isn't as effective against Elena compared to Lindsay (Elena has won 5/11 of her last matches against Davenport and has a competitive H2H against Sveta, so Elena knows how to battle off big hitters other than Sharapova).

That said, your excuses for Ana and her performances against Elena are ridiculous. You come up with all these asinine reasons for why Elena beats her, or give a pathetic excuse to Ana for why she lost, usually a mix of both as well. I like you, and I respect what you offer this board, but as it stands Ivanovic isn't as good as Elena and doesn't know how to beat her right now. She will one day. Ana will eventually have a MUCH better career than Elena, and you know this as well as I do. Just let Elena fans enjoy our moment against a top TWO player that she actually has great success against. That has not happened often in her career.

Kworb
May 11th, 2008, 01:53 AM
Elena. She is the best player period. Greatest of all time.

samsam4087
May 11th, 2008, 02:17 AM
Elena. She is the best player period. Greatest of all time.

yes

:worship::worship::worship:

InsideOut.
May 11th, 2008, 02:25 AM
Just let Elena fans enjoy our moment against a top TWO player that she actually has great success against. That has not happened often in her career.

:worship: OK I respect that. That makes total sense.

AcesHigh
May 11th, 2008, 03:53 AM
Fuck you. Ivanovic didn't even play a semi in Berlin last year, then beat Sveta, who's choked in finals for 2 years.
Lena just rolled over Jelena and Ana.
Maria just passed Ana to take #2, and I won't be surprised if Ana keeps dropping.
She's definately not a top 3 player, somewhere 4-9, like Lena is.

Wow.. a very dumb post. Ana is not a top 3 player? She just made the final of AO, won IW, and made the final of RG last year AND the semi's of Wimbledon.

And do you know how many times Elena has made the quarterfinals of the French? In 9 tries, she's done it once. Meanwhile, in 3 appearances at RG, Ana has made the final, 3rd, and QF.

Elena is 6 years older, yet she has 9 titles while Ana at age 20 has 6. Elena has a 65% winning percentage on clay while Ana has 72%. Goldenlox=:weirdo:

AcesHigh
May 11th, 2008, 03:55 AM
Btw, I love Elena and I think she is on her way back to the top.. but Elena is not great on clay. She will need her A+ game to have a chance at Roland Garros and Ana probably needs more time to figure Elena out. She had a hard time winning against Venus also.

kinglear
May 11th, 2008, 04:42 AM
Elena is a better mover, and a cleaner hitter. She has begun varying the peace, depth, angle and height of her shots, which will help on clay, but I think Ana could develop into a better clay player with better shot selection and movement.


Yeah, Ana is like Davenport in that regard: she expects to end a point after 2 or 3 shots. I know Ana can rally (Her Los Angeles win supports that), but I always feel that Ana is going to make an error on a crucical shot in a rally, while I always know Elena is going to keep her shots consistent in a rally. It's amazing how Elena can just keep the ball in play for so long.
And Cp6uja, I agree that Ana has accomplished so much, but I think Elena's experience means a lot. Like many had predicted, Elena is stronger in her late 20s and I think she will achieve great things now. She's using all the skills she's used over the years. We all know she's a late bloomer. But yeah, it's totally unnecessary to say that Ana has no weapons. To me, she's an all-court player who really has no weaknesses. Even her backhand is above average when "on."

Shvedbarilescu
May 11th, 2008, 07:54 AM
It's quite simple really. With all respect to both players, and both are very good players, Ana is better a marginally better claycourt player than Elena. That said, it is equally clear that Elena matches up head to head very well against Ana and as things stand in a match between the two of them on any surface but perhaps grass, I would favour Elena to win.

AnnaK_4ever
May 11th, 2008, 07:55 AM
If Ana Ivanovic realy dont have weapons to beat Elena, and her power forehand and serve is not enough and she is not enough fast...etc... - how on earth other power/big/slow girls like Lindsay, Maria and Sveta already beat Dementieva 24 times so far, and how on earth Ivanovic at 20 already have almost same career achivments like Elena at 27!?!?

Do you compare Ivanovic to Slam winners? :lol:
Both Lindsay and Maria possess backhand Ana could only dream of. Besides, Lindsay at her prime was probably the cleanest hitter out there. Kuznetsova is a great mover on clay and she is Russian which does affect Lena's game and attitude.
As for their age, it's all a match-up issue and career accomplishments have nothing to do with it.

And no one expects Elena to never lose to Ana.

Speak for yourself :p
I do.

AnywhereButHome
May 11th, 2008, 08:14 AM
Ana

CORIA01
May 11th, 2008, 08:22 AM
even if Lena beats Ana on Clay, Ana beats more top players than Lena on this surface
So ANA

samsam4087
May 11th, 2008, 08:28 AM
That Elena pic is LEGEND :bowdown:

YES :worship::worship::worship:

http://cdn-channels.netscape.com/cp/sports/pm/i/dementieva_2.jpg

AnnaK_4ever
May 11th, 2008, 08:33 AM
even if Lena beats Ana on Clay, Ana beats more top players than Lena on this surface
So ANA

Ivanovic defeated Kuznetsova (twice), Sharapova and Mauresmo.
Dementieva defeated Mauresmo, Pierce, Clijsters, Davenport. Plus Ivanovic and Jankovic if you consider them top-players of course...

LudwigDvorak
May 11th, 2008, 08:36 AM
Elena is 16-18 against top twenty players on clay--green and red, no Fed Cup included. 17-18 if she beats Dinara tomorrow, of course.

Don't forget Sanchez-Vicario, Elena beat her in 2000 at this very same event. That's the best claycourt win out of any of the players mentioned above.

But Ana goes deeper than Elena in clay events, usually.

FedererBulgaria
May 11th, 2008, 08:39 AM
Elena:worship:

Mashafaaaaan
May 11th, 2008, 08:45 AM
Ivanovic defeated Kuznetsova (twice), Sharapova and Mauresmo.
Dementieva defeated Mauresmo, Pierce, Clijsters, Davenport. Plus Ivanovic and Jankovic if you consider them top-players of course...

Yeah, exactly what I'm going to say.

Dave.
May 11th, 2008, 08:57 AM
You can't really expect a fair discussion just after a match between them has taken place. Obviously Elena's movement gives her an advantage, and her 'dig it out' mentality.

However, in terms of achievements (which is what counts), Ana has done better on clay. They've both been to French Open Finals, but Ana also has a QF, whilst Elena's rather poor French Open record has already been mentioned. Ana has also won Berlin (ok Elena might do that today) and in general does better at claycourt tournaments.

Dodoboy.
May 11th, 2008, 09:09 AM
Ana I definitely!

Lunaris
May 11th, 2008, 10:38 AM
Until Ana beats Lena, there's no question who's better.
There was a thread where I explained why H2H is unimportant when deciding who is a better player. Obviously you didn't read it.

goldenlox
May 11th, 2008, 11:19 AM
Lena beat Ana in Dubai, she beat her in Berlin.
She's 4-0 against her.
When Lena is healthy, as she is now, it's clear how good she plays on clay and hardcourt.
People want to project Ana improving.
She's no lock to improve. Dinara is the player who seems to be improving. Ana might be feeling some pressure of expectations now.

babuska6
May 11th, 2008, 11:21 AM
Both are really good on clay but i prefered Ana,she is younger than elena and i think she will make bigger success than lena on clay in the future

samsam4087
May 11th, 2008, 11:31 AM
Lena beat Ana in Dubai, she beat her in Berlin.
She's 4-0 against her.
When Lena is healthy, as she is now, it's clear how good she plays on clay and hardcourt.
People want to project Ana improving.
She's no lock to improve. Dinara is the player who seems to be improving. Ana might be feeling some pressure of expectations now.

true

:worship::worship::worship:

goldenlox
May 11th, 2008, 11:33 AM
People talk like they've never seen Ana play.
She's not a good mover. She's not steady. She doesn't play safe, defensive tactical tennis.
She is another ball basher, who took advantage of some soft draws when expectations were low.

Slutati
May 11th, 2008, 11:33 AM
And what is Safina if not a ball-basher?:rolleyes:

Nikkiri
May 11th, 2008, 11:39 AM
:bs:

Costanza
May 11th, 2008, 11:47 AM
And what is Safina if not a ball-basher?:rolleyes:

:yeah:

goldenlox
May 11th, 2008, 11:52 AM
Who say's Safina is a great clay courter.
Yet this week, she has better clay wins than Ana has ever had.
If Ana was in Justine's quarter at the FO last year, this discussion wouldn't exist.

tequila
May 11th, 2008, 12:02 PM
Elena is better. Ana is Elena's bitch.

Costanza
May 11th, 2008, 12:11 PM
BTW,Elena is Sharapova's bitch on clay.Now,that is :haha:

Slutati
May 11th, 2008, 12:12 PM
Elena is Sharapova's bitch period.

goldenlox
May 11th, 2008, 12:24 PM
A lot of it is matchups. Maria's serve gives Lena trouble.
I think after Justine, there's a lot of parity on clay.
You can tell from this week that RG might be wide open this year.
Like 2004 was.

tequila
May 11th, 2008, 01:35 PM
A lot of it is matchups. Maria's serve gives Lena trouble.
I think after Justine, there's a lot of parity on clay.
You can tell from this week that RG might be wide open this year.
Like 2004 was.

2008 to top 2004. Dinara will win RG. Sharpie, Wimbledon and Olympics. Elena D, the US Open. ;)

Matt01
May 11th, 2008, 01:48 PM
People talk like they've never seen Ana play.
She's not a good mover. She's not steady. She doesn't play safe, defensive tactical tennis.


And most importantly, she isn't Russian ;)

samsam4087
May 14th, 2008, 01:36 PM
Ana just lost in 1st round of Rome. Elena is definite a better clay court player.

Dan23
May 14th, 2008, 01:37 PM
Damn youre at it again already?? :o Give it a rest

homogenius
May 14th, 2008, 01:38 PM
Ana just lost in 1st round of Rome. Elena is definite a better clay court player.

:worship: :worship: :worship:

stop trolling

Olórin
May 14th, 2008, 01:40 PM
And most importantly, she isn't Russian ;)

:haha: :worship:

samsam4087
May 17th, 2008, 08:57 AM
Elena is better. Ana is Elena's bitch.

yes

:worship::worship::worship:

LCS
May 17th, 2008, 10:55 AM
BTW,Elena is Sharapova's bitch on clay.Now,that is :haha:

bitter much..?:kiss:

samsam4087
May 21st, 2008, 02:47 AM
Who say's Safina is a great clay courter.
Yet this week, she has better clay wins than Ana has ever had.
If Ana was in Justine's quarter at the FO last year, this discussion wouldn't exist.

:worship::worship::worship:

kinglear
May 21st, 2008, 04:44 AM
Can someone refresh my memory...have Dementieva and Sharapova ever played on clay? I can't remember. I personally think Dementieva has better chances of defeating Sharapova on clay.

tequila
May 21st, 2008, 04:53 AM
Sharpie def Elena 6-1 6-4 2004 Rome

SOA_MC
May 21st, 2008, 04:56 AM
Can someone refresh my memory...have Dementieva and Sharapova ever played on clay? I can't remember. I personally think Dementieva has better chances of defeating Sharapova on clay.

They have meant once on clay at Rome in 2004 Sharapova won but Dementieva went on to reach RG final that year http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/2/players/playerprofiles/PlayerHeadToHeadDetail.asp?PlayerID=40289&Player1ID=310137

If Elena beats Sharapova this year I won't mind her beating Ana in the final:p

kinglear
May 21st, 2008, 05:06 AM
They have meant once on clay at Rome in 2004 Sharapova won but Dementieva went on to reach RG final that year http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/2/players/playerprofiles/PlayerHeadToHeadDetail.asp?PlayerID=40289&Player1ID=310137

If Elena beats Sharapova this year I won't mind her beating Ana in the final:p

Yeah, Elena's reaching the RG final more than makes up for that loss.

samsam4087
May 23rd, 2008, 09:47 AM
They have meant once on clay at Rome in 2004 Sharapova won but Dementieva went on to reach RG final that year http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/2/players/playerprofiles/PlayerHeadToHeadDetail.asp?PlayerID=40289&Player1ID=310137

If Elena beats Sharapova this year I won't mind her beating Ana in the final:p

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well said.

http://cdn-channels.netscape.com/cp/sports/pm/i/dementieva_2.jpg

frontier
May 23rd, 2008, 09:53 AM
Dementieva has beaten the two Serbs on clay this year.:bounce:

SOA_MC
May 23rd, 2008, 10:01 AM
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well said.

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samsam4087
May 24th, 2008, 03:26 AM
Dementieva has beaten the two Serbs on clay this year.:bounce:

yes, Elena is a real contender to RG this year.

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