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treufreund
May 9th, 2008, 05:10 PM
In Beating Justine Henin and Serena Williams back to back, I would HOPE that DINARA SAFINA has reminded us all that the disrespect for players that goes on on this board needs to stop.

We are probably all guilty of making HUGE ANNOUNCEMENTS that so and so's CAREER IS OVER or that they SUCK or WHATEVER. Look at the recent resurgence of ZVONAREVA, DEMENTIEVA and SAFINA. Please, people, don't be so quick to write off PETROVA, MAURESMO, VENUS, JUSTINE and ANY OTHER PLAYER WHO HAS PROVEN or EVEN UNPROVEN POTENTIAL!!!

End of cheerful rant. :wavey:

treufreund
May 9th, 2008, 07:59 PM
I am really sad that so few people are willing to step up and admit how often they write off players and bash them when they are down. I got ZERO RESPONSES to this thread. :sad:

Becool
May 9th, 2008, 08:06 PM
get banned already

AndreConrad
May 9th, 2008, 08:11 PM
I agree we are often willing to bash some players and glorify others. The simple fact is that form is cyclical. The most enjoyment for the fan should come from watching a great game and then subsequently from the win of your favority player.

Dodoboy.
May 9th, 2008, 08:16 PM
True story, but i guess noone cares :shrug:

GoDominique
May 9th, 2008, 08:18 PM
Make better threads and people will reply. Ass.

Jem
May 9th, 2008, 08:27 PM
As someone who has seen the game go in cycles for 35+ years, I've always chalked up the grand and not-so-grand pronouncements as more ignorance than disrespect. Of course, given the loss of civility suffered by society in general and WTAWorld posters in particular, perhaps there's also a huge element of disrespect.

Something to consider: In 1973, Chris Evert lost the final of the French Open to Margaret Court in a superbly played match that finally earned the women some respect at Roland Garros. She lost a heart-breaker: 6-7, 7-6, 6-4. One week later, Chris lost the Italian Open final to Evonne Goolagong. At the time, Evert was 18; the 1973 French was only the fourth grand slam tournament of her career. She had done no less than reach the semifinals in her first three grand slams: 71 and 72 U.S. Opens and 72 Wimbledon. After her successive losses to Court and Goolagong, the critics wrote her off as "finished' and said she would never ascend to No. 1. I wonder what they thought 13 years later when she won the 18th and final Grand Slam of her career.

Tennis is indeed cyclical. You play well for a time and then, inexplicably, your game takes a turn for the worse. Winners suddenly land out by a few inches; you lose confidence, you lose motivation and what was once victories becomes defeat. Then, your game takes a turn for the better and suddenly you're on top again.
And on another topic, players don't always "choke" just because they blow a big lead in a match. People today would look at the Evert-Court scoreline and conclude Chris choked. In fact, Court turned up the heat ever so slightly and it made the difference. If you've ever played tennis, you know when you've choked and when you've simply been outplayed by someone coming from behind. Sometimes, you win an opening set 6-0 and do virtually nothing to earn it. Your opponent simply can't keep the ball in play. Suddenly, what was errors becomes winners and the tide turns. It doesn't mean you choked. You just got outplayed. It happens. Even losing from 5-2, 40-30 up in the third doesn't mean one player choked; sometimes you do all the right things and just can't finish.

OK, so there's my cheerful rant. By the way, thanks to the thread starter for a thoughtful discussion point. It will be interesting to see the responses.

Peterk07
May 9th, 2008, 08:28 PM
I'm not sure why did you open this thread. We are fans, and this is sport. Why should we keep our thoughts? We cheer players if they shine and yes, write off players who could, but just not. Should we keep our congratulations too because the player who had a great match may loose the next one?

Jasmin
May 9th, 2008, 08:43 PM
I enjoyed your post Jem. I agree. It's a cycle. The players know how it is and even Serena thinks Henin will get back to herself. I'm in no way a Henin fan but people are really writing her off. There's no way I would do that. I've seen how things just go up in down for champions.

Matt01
May 9th, 2008, 09:39 PM
Nice thread, treufreund :yeah:

Some people here really need to learn a lesson...

Expat
May 9th, 2008, 09:41 PM
who is writing justine off till she loses in the FO
till she loses there i cant rule her off at all

Mileen
May 9th, 2008, 10:16 PM
at Jem, thanks for your interesting post!
To complement the thread starter, the other side of the coin is that people shouldn't minimalise when a top player is winning from a subtop player ("she had a weak draw"). I know from Justine for instance that she says she never underestimates players, every match you have to be ready for a 100% and play your (absolute) best, the differences between players are minimal, especially when you're the #1 everyone wants to beat you. I'm sure most players know this/think like this, I think they better realise than we do how how little the difference between the players is and how good you have to play over and over again...always!, otherwise you'll lose. That's what's been demonstrated here imo.
I think it's great that at the moment there are a lot of new up and coming as well as more known players who've found their game and are playing really well, with the result that there are really a lot of 3 sets at Berlin f.i.! I like all those upsets. I think we are in a transitional time, there is a lot of turmoil going on in the status quo of the players. What people have been complaining a lot about isn't true anymore: there is a lot of depth in women's tennis right now. And I am really enjoying the matches as well as the outcomes!

Mileen
May 9th, 2008, 10:22 PM
I enjoyed your post Jem. I agree. It's a cycle. The players know how it is and even Serena thinks Henin will get back to herself. I'm in no way a Henin fan but people are really writing her off. There's no way I would do that. I've seen how things just go up in down for champions.

You don't have to be ashamed to be a fan of Justine, so stop adding for nothing that you're "in no way" a henin fan, that's completely :topic:.

serenus_2k8
May 9th, 2008, 10:30 PM
get banned already

:haha: Its coz this thread is just the same old rubbish we are used to.

frenchie
May 9th, 2008, 10:36 PM
Wtaworld (or tennisforum!) tend to hit players when they are already down!

The way Bartoli, Anna C and Szavay for example were treated this year is just wrong
Give them a break, you don't know what's in their mind!

SIN DIOS NI LEY
May 9th, 2008, 10:42 PM
Yes , I claim respect for Chaky . She deserves to play in Beijing

Stamp Paid
May 9th, 2008, 10:44 PM
I am really sad that so few people are willing to step up and admit how often they write off players and bash them when they are down. I got ZERO RESPONSES to this thread. :sad::haha:

svetaisthebest
May 9th, 2008, 10:48 PM
In Beating Justine Henin and Serena Williams back to back, I would HOPE that DINARA SAFINA has reminded us all that the disrespect for players that goes on on this board needs to stop.

We are probably all guilty of making HUGE ANNOUNCEMENTS that so and so's CAREER IS OVER or that they SUCK or WHATEVER. Look at the recent resurgence of ZVONAREVA, DEMENTIEVA and SAFINA. Please, people, don't be so quick to write off PETROVA, MAURESMO, VENUS, JUSTINE and ANY OTHER PLAYER WHO HAS PROVEN or EVEN UNPROVEN POTENTIAL!!!

End of cheerful rant. :wavey:

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