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Marco Fernandes
Apr 13th, 2008, 08:43 PM
Well, Maria just won her first clay court title...

Did you see how she was sliding ? It was impressive coz we all know she rarely does it... She really seems to be finding a way to do something on clay.

A cow on ice doesn't win tournaments played on ice ... :rolleyes:

Fairuz9
Apr 13th, 2008, 08:46 PM
I read "Cow on my ass" :help::tape:

Craig.
Apr 13th, 2008, 08:47 PM
I read "Cow on my ass" :help::tape:

:lol:

faboozadoo15
Apr 13th, 2008, 08:53 PM
I read "Cow on my ass" :help::tape:

:haha:

joćo.
Apr 13th, 2008, 08:53 PM
Hopefully she is improving. :D

goldenlox
Apr 13th, 2008, 08:54 PM
It's all relative. A RG SF and a Tier II AI title is very good.
Wimbledon, USO and AO titles, all before you turn 21, is great.

Russianboy
Apr 13th, 2008, 08:54 PM
I read "Cow on my ass" :help::tape:

:rolls:

Dodoboy.
Apr 13th, 2008, 08:58 PM
I read "Cow on my ass" :help::tape:

:haha:

zayos_10
Apr 13th, 2008, 09:00 PM
Well, Maria just won her first clay court title...

Did you see how she was sliding ? It was impressive coz we all know she rarely does it... She really seems to be finding a way to do something on clay.

A cow on ice doesn't win tournaments played on ice ... :rolleyes:

Yes I did!!. Not at the same level as Rafa, but she is trying to improve and that's really impresisve.

Keep it up Maria!!:worship:

Sefo
Apr 13th, 2008, 09:00 PM
I read "Cow on my ass" :help::tape:

I wouldn't mind she sits on my a.:bounce:

SV_Fan
Apr 13th, 2008, 09:01 PM
har-tru is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy different from red clay. All top players can tell you that.

LUVMIRZA
Apr 13th, 2008, 09:01 PM
She really didnt meet the clay court queens like juju, Sveta, JJ or Ana/Serena (for that case). Still long way to go!!!

P_Fer
Apr 13th, 2008, 09:01 PM
I read "Cow on my ass" :help::tape:

:lol:

SV_Fan
Apr 13th, 2008, 09:02 PM
Yes I did!!. Not at the same level as Rafa, but she is trying to improve and that's really impresisve.

Keep it up Maria!!:worship:

I loveeeeeeeeeeeee rafa soooooooooooooooooooooo freaking much. :):):worship::worship:

DragonFlame
Apr 13th, 2008, 09:04 PM
Did you see how she was sliding ? It was impressive coz we all know she rarely does it... She really seems to be finding a way to do something on clay.

Wrong time to start gloating:rolleyes:

first of all: She said the cow on ice herself! Second: I agree that it was impressive that she managed to win her first clay title which is great!:)


BUT what you commented on is exactly what isn't true: the sliding was not impressive. It looked awkward(which you off course can expect from an inexperienced claycourter). Every player slides on clay and there is a lot of difference between slides. The most important things while using slides is keeping balance and being able to cover the court better. That means that when you slide you need to be able to take advantage of that and after the slide be able to return to your position. This is exactly what maria didn't do, she only slides when she can't reach a ball well and it takes time and power away from her. After slides she was slow and could not get to her position anymore. Please learn to analyse a match before you make comments like this, WATCH claycourt matches. Cibulkova for example moved a lot better, you could see this with the countless of crosscourt forehand winners she made when maria tried to come to the net. Great balance.

faboozadoo15
Apr 13th, 2008, 09:05 PM
I knew there would be a thread about Maria's sliding. She still lost a good bit of points where she slid, purposefully though, but that's be be expected.

bellascarlett
Apr 13th, 2008, 09:07 PM
She had been sliding before in the French...this isn't the first tournament she's shown it. :lol: She's just not as great on clay as she is on other surfaces. Movement is a bigger issue for her on clay and as much as she knows how to slide, it's not as natural for her as for the 'clay specialists' and her recovery time is much slower. But then, some have made her out to be totally worthless on the surface when she isn't so...

Lunaris
Apr 13th, 2008, 09:08 PM
If I am not mistaken it was Sharapova herself who first said that she felt like a cow on ice when playing on clay. If you are addressing her "haters" with this thread, know that this term originally came from Sharapova's mouth.

And no, this tournament didn't show me anything what would change my opinion on Sharapova's chances to win French Open. She won thanks to her mental fortitude and fighting spirit, but she could lose almost anytime during this tournament and you must admit her opponents haven't been those of the highest calibre.

Mikey B
Apr 13th, 2008, 09:09 PM
she started sliding last year, but it wasnt great.. this year it looked much better, still not great but if she's improved just while training on clay from IW to here, then it can only get better!

Slutiana
Apr 13th, 2008, 09:16 PM
She was the one who first mentioned it anyway. :lol:

She's not on green clay but I still think that she is one of the worst clay courters in the top 20. Her willpower makes up for it. I can't see her beating top players but I do see her being able to beat decent claycourters like in this tournament.

Red clay and green clay are different though, red clay rewards speed even more than green clay and is not as slippery so it's gonna be really tough for Maria to do something at RG. Virtually every player under 21 in the top 20 (apart from herself) is really good on clay. Szavay, Peer and Vaidisova are all proven on it. Radwanska and Golovin are looking to properly prove themselves on the red dirt (Golovin's been injured the past 2 clay seasons). I don't see why they can't because Agnieszka has the game for clay and of course, Tati is the queen of green clay. (:p). So Maria will probably face one of these earlier and I think that there's a real possibility they can beat her. Esp. Vaidisova, Peer and Golovin who are more experienced.
Will be very interesting... Although she won the tournie, let's just say that it's as convincing as Doha was.

Oh and the sliding wasn't that great, she's not a natural but just because she was sliding, doesn't mean she was good at it. She isn't the most elegant of players and this made it look 1013428043290x worse. She was able to grind out a win, though. As I said before, if she makes it to Serena, I can't see her beating her.

The Dawntreader
Apr 13th, 2008, 09:16 PM
Sharapova wasnt sliding like a clay-courter, she looked liked she just spreads her legs apart after the shot.

goldenlox
Apr 13th, 2008, 09:17 PM
Even if Maria wins the FO, people will say she got lucky, Justine wasn't in form, Sveta choked, bla, bla, bla.
Who cares. Bottom line, she made the semis at RG last year and just won the first Tier II clay tournament of 2008.

Dave.
Apr 13th, 2008, 09:22 PM
Sharapova is a 'cow on ice' hence she cannot move well on the surface. But it doesn't mean she can't do well on clay. Lindsay can also be described as a 'cow on ice' but there are few active players who have achieved more on clay than she has. It will be similar for Maria I think. This AI title is bigger than anything clay specialists like Medina-Garrigues have done.

Mikey B
Apr 13th, 2008, 09:23 PM
Even if Maria wins the FO, people will say she got lucky, Justine wasn't in form, Sveta choked, bla, bla, bla.
Who cares. Bottom line, she made the semis at RG last year and just won the first Tier I or II clay tournament of 2008.

exactly... you just cant please some people! im suprised people havent made up some excuses as to why maria didnt deserve her doha or australian open titles yet! lol!

Craig.
Apr 13th, 2008, 09:24 PM
exactly... you just cant please some people! im suprised people havent made up some excuses as to why maria didnt deserve her doha or australian open titles yet! lol!

Oh, believe me, they have. Pretty sad actually. :lol:

Slutiana
Apr 13th, 2008, 09:31 PM
Even if Maria wins the FO, people will say she got lucky, Justine wasn't in form, Sveta choked, bla, bla, bla.
Who cares. Bottom line, she made the semis at RG last year and just won the first Tier II clay tournament of 2008.
You can wave those facts around in every thread, and although I won't go as far as to say she got lucky, you have to admit she has had a couple of favourable draws. She doesn't have a good draw vs Serena - lets see how she handles that. As I said before, the top 25 has gotten really tight with the likes of Davenport, Mauresmo and Tatiana (when she comes back) fighting for the, IMO, two unsafe spots Bondarenko and Petrova. Sharapova will have a tough R4 match at RG and possibly a R3 too with claycourters like Pennetta and Cibulkova mingling there. It's not gonna be easy for her this time. Lets see what she does.

goldenlox
Apr 13th, 2008, 09:51 PM
Maria beat Barbora, Alona, Domi and AMG.
That's a decent draw. At a FO, that's an okay draw to the quarters.
Maria is one of the best players on clay.
She'll need some things to go right in Paris. But she will be dangerous for anyone, especially if Justine is still in this form

lizchris
Apr 13th, 2008, 09:51 PM
Before people get excited about her accomplishment, green clay plays much different than red clay. We'll see what her chances are when she gets to Europe, where she will be playing onlyn on red clay. Keep in mind she has never gotten to a final on red clay (yet).

lizchris
Apr 13th, 2008, 09:54 PM
Maria beat Barbora, Alona, Domi and AMG.
That's a decent draw. At a FO, that's an okay draw to the quarters.
Maria is one of the best players on clay.
She'll need some things to go right in Paris. But she will be dangerous for anyone, especially if Justine is still in this form

What purple chronic are you smoking?

She just got her first clay title at the age of 20. Venus, on the other hand, was 18 whens he got hers and she had a lot more before the eve of her 21st birthday.

goldenlox
Apr 13th, 2008, 09:55 PM
Maria has made a RG SF and 2 QF's. She can play on red clay

Destiny
Apr 13th, 2008, 09:55 PM
Maria sliding looks so awakard she has a long way to go.
But i wouldn't but it pass her she will improve more and more

Destiny
Apr 13th, 2008, 09:59 PM
Maria beat Barbora, Alona, Domi and AMG.
That's a decent draw. At a FO, that's an okay draw to the quarters.
Maria is one of the best players on clay.
She'll need some things to go right in Paris. But she will be dangerous for anyone, especially if Justine is still in this form

Calm down
Hold your breaks she just won a (clay) title doesn't mean that she's the best:p;)

She's getting better

Lunaris
Apr 13th, 2008, 09:59 PM
Maria has made a RG SF and 2 QF's. She can play on red clay
Her hardcourt game is so dominating that she can have some success with it even on clay, despite her obvious dislike for this slow surface.

sammy01
Apr 13th, 2008, 10:02 PM
the problem was the only time i saw maria slide today was after a shot, which isn't when you should slide. a true clay courter will slide into the shot, and the shot will come at the end of the slide yet they will still be on balance. the whole point of sliding on a claycourt is so by the time your making contact with the ball your ready to push off and start running the other way, if you just run to a ball its very hard to stop, turn, then start running the other way on clay. anyone can hit a shot running then slide but theres not much point of that.
the true test of a clay courter player is a short ball maria had 4 or 5 drop shots to track down today and none of them she slid into, if you watch a henin, jj or sveta a drop or short ball on clay they will slide into and be on balance and ready for the next shot.

Marco Fernandes
Apr 13th, 2008, 10:03 PM
Wrong time to start gloating:rolleyes:

first of all: She said the cow on ice herself! Second: I agree that it was impressive that she managed to win her first clay title which is great!:)


BUT what you commented on is exactly what isn't true: the sliding was not impressive. It looked awkward(which you off course can expect from an inexperienced claycourter). Every player slides on clay and there is a lot of difference between slides. The most important things while using slides is keeping balance and being able to cover the court better. That means that when you slide you need to be able to take advantage of that and after the slide be able to return to your position. This is exactly what maria didn't do, she only slides when she can't reach a ball well and it takes time and power away from her. After slides she was slow and could not get to her position anymore. Please learn to analyse a match before you make comments like this, WATCH claycourt matches. Cibulkova for example moved a lot better, you could see this with the countless of crosscourt forehand winners she made when maria tried to come to the net. Great balance.

It was impressive comparing to what she usually slides... :rolleyes: :help:

goldenlox
Apr 13th, 2008, 10:04 PM
She can fight thru almost anyone on clay. She beat AMG, Patty, Domi, Anna C, Alona.
She has to go beat the best 3 or 4, but she's handled a decent group of players.

And if she has a decent draw, she might have a soft QF & have only 2 good players to beat. Maybe Sveta and JJ.
At a major, do you really think Maria can't be mentally stronger than them?

Marco Fernandes
Apr 13th, 2008, 10:09 PM
She can fight thru almost anyone on clay. She beat AMG, Patty, Domi, Anna C, Alona.
She has to go beat the best 3 or 4, but she's handled a decent group of players.

And if she has a decent draw, she might have a soft QF & have only 2 good players to beat. Maybe Sveta and JJ.
At a major, do you really think Maria can't be mentally stronger than them?

Those and Justine are exactly the players that Maria should fear the most... Ivanovic and Serena should be defeated if Maria plays decently...

Paul.
Apr 13th, 2008, 10:12 PM
Her hardcourt game is so dominating that she can have some success with it even on clay, despite her obvious dislike for this slow surface.

Yeah, I agree.

Maria managed to win this title because she’s a great tennis player. Her mental strength is always a huge factor, and with the exception of a few minor adjustments, treating the match as if it were on a hardcourt was enough to see her through. Obviously, this can only bring a certain amount of success, and coming up against more natural and experienced clay court players has proved too much to ask in the past. Anabel is on one level, Justine and Svetlana are on another.

That said, I think she’ll continue to improve on clay and enjoy more success. It’s never going to be her best surface, her awkward movement and [some] dropshot attempts really prove this, but she’s a good enough player to win plenty of matches on any surface :shrug:

Out of interest, what are Maria’s head-to-heads against the top clay court players? I’m guessing not so good.. :lol:

DragonFlame
Apr 13th, 2008, 10:16 PM
the problem was the only time i saw maria slide today was after a shot, which isn't when you should slide. a true clay courter will slide into the shot, and the shot will come at the end of the slide yet they will still be on balance. the whole point of sliding on a claycourt is so by the time your making contact with the ball your ready to push off and start running the other way, if you just run to a ball its very hard to stop, turn, then start running the other way on clay. anyone can hit a shot running then slide but theres not much point of that.
the true test of a clay courter player is a short ball maria had 4 or 5 drop shots to track down today and none of them she slid into, if you watch a henin, jj or sveta a drop or short ball on clay they will slide into and be on balance and ready for the next shot.

great explanation :worship: complements my post well:)

Andrew Laeddis
Apr 13th, 2008, 10:19 PM
i love maria but her movement wasn't impressive and if she is struggling this much on green clay which benefits her power more than red clay against the lower tier or players i dont see her taking a set of henin,ivanovic,jankovic,kuznetsova, etc.

DragonFlame
Apr 13th, 2008, 10:26 PM
Ivanovic and Serena should be defeated if Maria plays decently...

Based on what? First of all, serena has a mental edge over sharapova and has won the FO before. She lost last year to henin which was expected. Serena knows how to slide.

Look at tapes of Ivanovic's movement last year at the french open and berlin. Then look at maria's movement here at Amelia island. Then look at the players who Ivanovic has beaten on clay. BIG BIG Difference, she's got a long way to go if she wants to beat ivanovic there. She got massacred last year.

Marco Fernandes
Apr 13th, 2008, 10:31 PM
Based on what? First of all, serena has a mental edge over sharapova and has won the FO before. She lost last year to henin which was expected. Serena knows how to slide.

Look at tapes of Ivanovic's movement last year at the french open and berlin. Then look at maria's movement here at Amelia island. Then look at the players who Ivanovic has beaten on clay. BIG BIG Difference, she's got a long way to go if she wants to beat ivanovic there. She got massacred last year.

She was injured last year :help: Ivanovic doesn't slide that much :tape:

Are you going to say that Maria played the best she could ? Please ! :rolleyes:

Are u still pissed just because Maria stunned Henin earlier this year ? Get over it man :lol:

DragonFlame
Apr 13th, 2008, 10:43 PM
Are u still pissed just because Maria stunned Henin earlier this year ? Get over it man :lol:

Come on, don't be such a prick. :ras: I'm just analyzing sharapova's claygame and putting it how it is. She's inexperienced and needs to train more on it. She has the potential to improve cause she's a great player but that doesn't happen in a timeframe of a few weeks. She needs to improve a lot if she wants to be a factor at the french against topplayers which she might become in a few years. To my oppinion this year is too early for her to turn a fave looking at what she can do right now.
If you can't respect my oppinion and me rating some people higher on clay then her right now put me on ignore instead of mindless bashing:wavey:

perseus2006
Apr 13th, 2008, 10:54 PM
Could it be possible that "the need for more experience" is the reason Pova entered AI and Charleston in the first place?

It just seems too logical despite the fact that Pova, herself, has said so in about seven different interviews!

Marco Fernandes
Apr 13th, 2008, 11:01 PM
Could it be possible that "the need for more experience" is the reason Pova entered AI and Charleston in the first place?

It just seems too logical despite the fact that Pova, herself, has said so in about seven different interviews!

True.

And it is clearly making effect... She still has a long road to be a clay court player obviously but that isn't impossible if she continues to improve.

Matt01
Apr 13th, 2008, 11:40 PM
Those and Justine are exactly the players that Maria should fear the most... Ivanovic and Serena should be defeated if Maria plays decently...


Ana and Serena will smoke Pova next time they meet on clay, and after that, goldenlox will finally be quiet and stop spreading his BS about Maria in every damn thread of this board! :help:

SAEKeithSerena
Apr 13th, 2008, 11:44 PM
so proud of her! congrats.

The Daviator
Apr 13th, 2008, 11:48 PM
She was injured last year :help: Ivanovic doesn't slide that much :tape:

Are you going to say that Maria played the best she could ? Please ! :rolleyes:

Are u still pissed just because Maria stunned Henin earlier this year ? Get over it man :lol:

Yes she does :lol: Ana moves extremely well on clay.

And don't give me that injured BS again :yawn: She made the semis of a GS, someone with a crippling injury cannot make it to the semis of a GS :weirdo: Ana cleaned her clock, and that's that.

Slutiana
Apr 13th, 2008, 11:56 PM
Maria beat Barbora, Alona, Domi and AMG.
That's a decent draw. At a FO, that's an okay draw to the quarters.
Maria is one of the best players on clay.
She'll need some things to go right in Paris. But she will be dangerous for anyone, especially if Justine is still in this form

They're decent claycourters, well, apart from the first name. But it's a generous draw for a tier 2 But look at the 2007 champ (and queen of green clay :p) draw (an take note of the scores, too)

R64 - BYE
R32 - CASTANO, CATALINA COL - 6-0 6-3
R16 - (12) STOSUR, SAMANTHA AUS - W 6-2 6-1
Q - WILLIAMS, VENUS USA - 6-2 6-3
S - (6) IVANOVIC, ANA SRB - 6-4 3-6 6-4
F - (1) PETROVA, NADIA RUS - 6-2 6-1

Maria is nowhere near that level on green clay yet and so if she was to have a draw like this, I couldn't see her fighting her way past the soon-to-be wimbledon champ, being the last person to beat Ivanovic before she won Berlin and was runner up at RG and/or beating the defending champ. It is intruiging to watch her 'fight' through matches but it won't be when she's getting her ass kicked by the top players. Because let's face it, you saw in the first three games of the QF, Alona started really aggresively and Maria did in-fact look like a cow on ice. However, she slipped back into defensive play and let maria hit errors as well as winners. Maria hasn't had to play many people who go after the ball - chakvetadze is a great player but unless Maria is playing the worst tennis of her life, you're gonna have to go after the win, even on clay. Just look at the fact she lost to Rezai last year on clay. As I said before, it will be interesting to see what happens if she faces Serena, I'm not hating on her or anything but my guess is that it won't be pretty, not to mention the fact that I can't see Sharapova 'outfighting' arguably the biggest fighter in the game.

Everything i've said does seem a bit negative but with a lot of hard work, she can get better on clay but I dno, let's see how she fares on red clay which is even slower and is even tougher for someone who moves slowly and struggles compared to hardcourts.

In The Zone
Apr 14th, 2008, 12:01 AM
Ana and Serena will smoke Pova next time they meet on clay, and after that, goldenlox will finally be quiet and stop spreading his BS about Maria in every damn thread of this board! :help:

I hope so! Sounds like a prayer. :lol:

Maria is NOT good on clay compared to other surfaces. Is she a good player regardless of surface because of her talent? Yes. But she didn't beat a single player in the top 20 en route to this title. Should that be held against her? No. But let's keep this title in mind. She is still not a top contender for Paris. Let's keep that in mind, please.

Look at how AMG, Alona and Domi all pushed her. Imagine what Ana, Jelena, Serena, Justine, Sveta, or Venus would do to Maria on clay. That Charleston QF is looking so :drool:

Slutiana
Apr 14th, 2008, 12:16 AM
Yes she does :lol: Ana moves extremely well on clay.

And don't give me that injured BS again :yawn: She made the semis of a GS, someone with a crippling injury cannot make it to the semis of a GS :weirdo: Ana cleaned her clock, and that's that.
Agreed. She moves better on a clay court than on a hard court. It just shows you that you don't have to be running 100m in 4.5 seconds to be a good mover on clay. I still don't think Ana is really, really athletic but I dno, she knows how to move her feet properly I suppose - unlike Maria.

dybbuk
Apr 14th, 2008, 12:26 AM
She was injured last year :help: Ivanovic doesn't slide that much :tape:

Are you going to say that Maria played the best she could ? Please ! :rolleyes:

Are u still pissed just because Maria stunned Henin earlier this year ? Get over it man :lol:

Yes she does, like The Daviator said. :lol: Ana grew up playing on clay, Maria is a better player so far in their careers, but there is no doubt Ana is much more comfortable on clay. She slides very well.

Maria's sliding doesn't seem that much improved from what I have seen. I will have to see her more though. Her dropshot against Alona was better than I have seen in the past. No more of the popping them into the air like she has before.

tonybotz
Apr 14th, 2008, 12:39 AM
the clay aspect is overrated for women. monica seles won the french 3 times and her movement was always a detriment. it's about footwork. seles had excellent footwork, and so did sharapova for this event.

LindsayRulz
Apr 14th, 2008, 12:56 AM
Ana and Serena will smoke Pova next time they meet on clay, and after that, goldenlox will finally be quiet and stop spreading his BS about Maria in every damn thread of this board! :help:

Maria is 22-1 this year including a GS title. She won her first clay court title this week and reached the RG semis last year. She has won 9 out of her last 10 matches on clay....

You mean that? ;)

LindsayRulz
Apr 14th, 2008, 01:06 AM
the clay aspect is overrated for women. monica seles won the french 3 times and her movement was always a detriment. it's about footwork. seles had excellent footwork, and so did sharapova for this event.

I agree, Mary Pierce is a good example too. Maria seemed still uncomfortable on clay this week though.

faboozadoo15
Apr 14th, 2008, 01:13 AM
the clay aspect is overrated for women. monica seles won the french 3 times and her movement was always a detriment. it's about footwork. seles had excellent footwork, and so did sharapova for this event.

:shrug: Did you watch the French Open in 90-93?
Seles was not slow when she dominated tennis.

sammy01
Apr 14th, 2008, 01:14 AM
I agree, Mary Pierce is a good example too. Maria seemed still uncomfortable on clay this week though.

i have to disagree, mary pierce is a great clay court player, she can slide very well and she has a grip that means she can belt her forehand and then the next shot load it up with topspin. you dont realy see davenport, sharapova or venus load balls up with topspin and its another reason i think these 3 players will never win the frecnch open. also mary has an amazing kick serve (the best of any top women tennis players) another thing venus, davenport and maria lack, which is a great weapon on clay.

gerrydor
Apr 14th, 2008, 01:35 AM
Paraphrasing Samuel Jonson:
"Sir, Sharapova sliding on clay is like a dog's walking on his hind legs. It is not done well; but you are surprised to find it done at all."
But she's great, nonetheless.

Uranium
Apr 14th, 2008, 01:37 AM
Well, Maria just won her first clay court title...

Did you see how she was sliding ? It was impressive coz we all know she rarely does it... She really seems to be finding a way to do something on clay.

A cow on ice doesn't win tournaments played on ice ... :rolleyes:

she played noones to win this tourny
Davenport has also won on clay, what's your point?

Kovalchuk
Apr 14th, 2008, 02:47 AM
no need to learn how to slide, still can bring you a clay title
pova just prove it

tonybotz
Apr 14th, 2008, 03:30 AM
seles was not fast, but as navratilova put it, her "arms were so long", she just anticipated and reached more balls than her opponents expected. seles was a legendary ball striker, but get her on the move and she became vulnerable. much like sharapova.

tonybotz
Apr 14th, 2008, 03:36 AM
davenport also underestimated herself on clay. there is no reason why she couldn't play well on the surface, it was all mental. clay gives her that extra moment to set up for her thunderous groundstrokes. lindsay should have won the french, and been a force like evert.

ZeroSOFInfinity
Apr 14th, 2008, 03:37 AM
Some of you guys are going way ahead on this...

Yup, Maria won her 1st title on clay... GREEN CLAY that is. We haven't seen her play on RED CLAY, which RG is based on.

So until she reaches a final of a RED CLAY tournament and win it, I'm still not quite convinced that she can win RG this year.

But she's improving... and it should not be long before she completes the Grand Slam.

Expat
Apr 14th, 2008, 03:44 AM
Maria is 22-1 this year including a GS title. She won her first clay court title this week and reached the RG semis last year. She has won 9 out of her last 10 matches on clay....

You mean that? ;)
nothing beats the she is on a 2 match streak on clay
:help:

Dave.
Apr 14th, 2008, 04:42 AM
davenport also underestimated herself on clay. there is no reason why she couldn't play well on the surface, it was all mental. clay gives her that extra moment to set up for her thunderous groundstrokes. lindsay should have won the french, and been a force like evert.

True, but Lindsay's claycourt achievements are still good enough to put her near the top of her generation. Early on in her career, clay was her best surface. It was only when she re-arranged her game and centered it around her serve that she started having bigger success on faster surfaces, when she started being negative about clay. Her record is 120-35 (77%).

Pasta-Na
Apr 14th, 2008, 05:25 AM
good luck to ur "red" clay season, maria :p

Renalicious
Apr 14th, 2008, 05:34 AM
I read "Cow on my ass" :help::tape:

:lol:

Ntour
Apr 14th, 2008, 09:30 AM
who did she beat?

Russianboy
Apr 14th, 2008, 09:37 AM
who did she beat?

better players than henin in antwerp :unsure: