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A'DAM
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:07 PM
http://www.familycirclecup.com/pages/articles/20080412155705.pdf

Radwanska - Domachowska first round :lol:

Russianboy
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:09 PM
serena vs. maria QF :worship:

starin
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:09 PM
I feel like Serena gets a lot of tough draws at the big events. Sharapova in the QF is rough.
However, I have a sneaking suspicion that Sharapova will withdraw or retire in her 1st or 2nd match.

ptkten
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:09 PM
Serena-Maria quarter of course :lol:

IVI
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:10 PM
OMFG Anabel vs Sharapova again :retard: :tape:

FORZA SARITA
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:10 PM
Nice draw for Sara:hearts:
Again Cornet vs Krajicek :lol:
Probably Serena vs Masha in QF :eek:

joeygoal
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:10 PM
Other than Maria in QF, I think its a good draw for Serena.

The Daviator
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:10 PM
Yet again, Serena gets the toughest opponent in her quarter :lol: When will she ever get Chakvetadze :o

Anyway, go Rena :yeah:

Craig.
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:10 PM
Oh God, Maria's dead.

goldenlox
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:10 PM
I'm surprised Maria is in the draw. She looked tired yesterday.

Dodoboy.
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:10 PM
OMG!

HOW DID I KNOW.

as soon as i see Charleston MD i just thought 'here we go'

~Cherry*Blossom~
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:11 PM
Nice draw for Serena!!!

Win title number 3 and extend your winning streak! :rocker:

LindsayRulz
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:11 PM
Maria vs Serena in QF :drool:

Slampova
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:11 PM
Maria/Serena QF :drool:

Dodoboy.
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:11 PM
Yet again, Serena gets the toughest opponent in her quarter :lol: When will she ever get Chakvetadze :o

Anyway, go Rena :yeah:

One can only dream :drool:

Cp6uja
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:11 PM
Most interesting (IMO): Jankovic vs Cibulkova early round match and Maria in same quarter with Serena (before that QF must play rematch vs Medina in R3).

It's actualy good draw for Maria if she want to win this tournament (Serena traditionaly played her worst tennis in Quarterfinals) but very bad if she only want to reach SF...

joão.
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:12 PM
Serena is the biggest threat in Maria's draw, imo.
Altho everyone's a threat to her in clay and omg, Medina Garrigues again in her draw!! ;x
Good luck, Maria!! :)

shrOOf
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:12 PM
No Arn, no Lisicki ;)

Elwin.
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:12 PM
Misa is seeded :haha:

Krajicek vs. Cornet
omfg....

DownTheLine21
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:12 PM
Cibulkova is playing Rodionova in 1R again as well.

starin
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:13 PM
I'm surprised Maria is in the draw. She looked tired yesterday.

umm... I think it would be kinda hard to withdraw from Charleston now when she's still planning on playing the AI final tomorrow.

Kim's_fan_4ever
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:14 PM
Ha! This is going to be interesting, can't wait for the tournament to start :cool:

Dodoboy.
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:14 PM
Medina v Pova :eek:

:rolls:

Caroline not in the draw :sad:

Meng v Bethanie :rocker:

The order has totally flipped. It seems bottom heavy :eek: The one time POVA is #2 seed this year she gets a ROCK hard draw to the SF :rolls:

Expat
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:14 PM
jelena easy path till finals

serena maria :o

Keaka
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:16 PM
serena vs. maria QF :worship:

no no no

Katarina vs. Maria QF :lol: :worship:

Iceland
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:17 PM
Marion & Aravane may have a chance to win a match here :o.
Good draw for Agi & Alizé :D.

doni1212
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:18 PM
serena vs. maria QF :worship:

YES!!!! :bounce::bounce::bounce:
:lol:
Maria you better not pull out now, :fiery:

kwilliams
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:18 PM
I know Maria has been playing on clay this week and so is match tough but even if green clay is Serena's worst surface she is still the much better clay courter of the two. Also Maria hasn't played anyone tough this week (except maybe AMG).

Russianboy
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:20 PM
YES!!!! :bounce::bounce::bounce:
:lol:
Maria you better not pull out now, :fiery:

and serena should try not to lose again before her match vs. masha :fiery:

goldenlox
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:20 PM
umm... I think it would be kinda hard to withdraw from Charleston now when she's still planning on playing the AI final tomorrow.I thought Justine did it before a final. I must be wrong about that.

MrSerenaWilliams
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:20 PM
Marena Quarter :hearts:

oleada
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:20 PM
Jelena vs Dominika:eek: I'm scared; Dominika is one tough cookie.

doni1212
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:21 PM
and serena should try not to lose again before her match vs. masha :fiery:

:lol:
I think Ree has a pretty nice draw.

Craig.
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:23 PM
OMFG, worst possible draw for Maria. :eek:

AMG AGAIN?! :(

Dodoboy.
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:26 PM
Elena D is pretty much through to the QF with her draw i mean COME ON!

Direwolf
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:26 PM
Key Matches:
2R: Serena vs Dulko
2R: Rezai vs Cibulkova
2R: Bartoli vs Dellacqua

3R: Serena vs Srebotnik
3R: Sharapova vs Anabel Medina Garrigues
3R: Dementieva vs Azarenka

Costanza
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:26 PM
Cibulkova-Jankovic,very interesting match.

Mina Vagante
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:28 PM
Serena/ Maria :lol:

Dodoboy.
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:32 PM
Cibulkova-Jankovic,very interesting match.

And we won't get to watch this :sobbing:

MrSerenaWilliams
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:33 PM
Serena/Dulko will be interesting too, but I don't think the green clay is slow enough to be a factor :shrug:

Wiggly
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:37 PM
Sharapova will pull off.

Medina then Serena? She's not doing this on clay.:lol:

*Jean*
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:41 PM
No Kaia :sad:

serena_fan
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:44 PM
post pls

morningglory
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:44 PM
doubt Maria will play

pancake
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:46 PM
I couldn't open the link.
May someone post the draw here, please?

Bruno71
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:46 PM
Chaky has the easiest quarter. Too bad the way she's playing she's still likely to lose before the semis :(

JJ's not too much to complain about, but that 3R with Cibulkova could be really tough & Zvonareva most likely in the quarters.

I have a strong feeling the Serena/Maria quarter won't happen because of withdrawals from either or both.

slobicus
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:46 PM
Key Matches:
2R: Serena vs Dulko
2R: Rezai vs Cibulkova
2R: Bartoli vs Dellacqua

3R: Serena vs Srebotnik
3R: Sharapova vs Anabel Medina Garrigues
3R: Dementieva vs Azarenka


Without doubt, put there also
3R: Jankovic vs Cibulkova

Cibulkova has a great season, even before the ongoing AI tournament.
She beat Venus in Doha, remember.

Moreover, last year in Fed Cup, she played amazing tennis against Jelena Jankovic, who was injured though.
It was a grueling match for both players and it ended something like
7-5 1-6 9-7 score.

serena_fan
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:48 PM
I couldn't open the link.
May someone post the draw here, please?


help :help:

Olórin
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:51 PM
If Maria doesn't withdraw I can see her losing before the quarters.

If Serena is healthy she should make the final of this event, I'd like to see a repeat of the Miami Final.

Expat
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:52 PM
1 J. JANKOVIC
2 BYE
3 QUALIFIER
4 QUALIFIER
5 SEQUERA, Milagros VEN
6 REZAI, Aravane FRA
7 RODIONOVA, Anastasia RUS
8 CIBULKOVA, Dominika SVK
9 ZVONAREVA, Vera RUS
10 QUALIFIER
11 PUCHKOVA, Olga
12 RUANO PASCUAL, Virginia ESP
13 SALERNI, Ma. Emilia ARG
14 DELLACQUA, Casey AUS
15 BYE
16 BARTOLI, Marion FRA


17 DEMENTIEVA, Elena RUS
18 BYE
19 CRAYBAS, Jill USA
20 QUALIFIER
21 ROLLE, Ahsha USA
22 QUALIFIER
23 QUALIFIER SUI
24 AZARENKA, Victoria BLR
25 RADWANSKA, Agnieszka POL
26 DOMACHOWSKA, Marta POL
27 GALLOVITS, Edina ROU
28 SHAUGHNESSY, Meghann USA
29 VESNINA, Elena RUS
30 GOVORTSOVA, Olga BLR
31 BYE
32 SCHNYDER, Patty SUI

A'DAM
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:56 PM
1 J. JANKOVIC [1] D. SAFINA [8]
2 BYE BYE 34
3 QUALIFIER QUALIFIER 35
4 QUALIFIER ESP DOMINGUEZ LINO, Lourdes 36
5 SEQUERA, Milagros VEN JPN MORITA, Ayumi 37
6 REZAI, Aravane FRA JPN SUGIYAMA, Ai 38
7 RODIONOVA, Anastasia RUS UKR FEDAK, Yuliana 39
8 CIBULKOVA, Dominika SVK HUN SZAVAY, Agnes 40
9 ZVONAREVA, Vera RUS NED KRAJICEK, Michaella 41
10 QUALIFIER FRA CORNET, Alize 42
11 PUCHKOVA, Olga RUS USA DITTY, Julie 43
12 RUANO PASCUAL, Virginia ESP ITA ERRANI, Sara 44
13 SALERNI, Ma. Emilia ARG ROU CIRSTEA, Sorana 45
14 DELLACQUA, Casey AUS USA KING, Vania 46
15 BYE BYE 47
M. BARTOLI [6] A. CHAKVETADZE [3]
16 BARTOLI, Marion FRA RUS CHAKVETADZE, Anna 48
17 DEMENTIEVA, Elena RUS USA WILLIAMS, Serena 49
E. DEMENTIEVA [4] S. WILLIAMS [5]
18 BYE BYE 50
19 CRAYBAS, Jill USA ARG DULKO, Gisela 51
20 QUALIFIER AUS MOLIK, Alicia 52
21 ROLLE, Ahsha USA TPE CHAN, Yung-Jan 53
22 QUALIFIER QUALIFIER 54
23 QUALIFIER SUI BACSINSZKY, Timea 55
24 AZARENKA, Victoria BLR SLO SREBOTNIK, Katarina 56
25 RADWANSKA, Agnieszka POL ESP MEDINA GARRIGUES, Anabel 57
26 DOMACHOWSKA, Marta POL UKR PEREBIYNIS, Tatiana 58
27 GALLOVITS, Edina ROU RUS BYCHKOVA, Ekaterina 59
28 SHAUGHNESSY, Meghann USA RUS VOSKOBOEVA, Galina 60
29 VESNINA, Elena RUS CHN YUAN, Meng 61
30 GOVORTSOVA, Olga BLR USA MATTEK, Bethanie 62
31 BYE BYE 63

32 SCHNYDER, Patty SUI

:lol: Mixed up :lol:

-sugi-
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:56 PM
Ai vs Ayumi again. :tape:

itzhak
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:56 PM
Maria will withdraw. end of speculations.

PLP
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:58 PM
Is it just me, or is this just not a great draw for Charleston?
Besides the possible Maria/Serena quarter, it seems like a rather unexciting draw.

Expat
Apr 12th, 2008, 10:00 PM
RUS SAFINA, Dinara 33
BYE 34
QUALIFIER 35
ESP DOMINGUEZ LINO, Lourdes 36
JPN MORITA, Ayumi 37
JPN SUGIYAMA, Ai 38
UKR FEDAK, Yuliana 39
HUN SZAVAY, Agnes 40
NED KRAJICEK, Michaella 41
FRA CORNET, Alize 42
USA DITTY, Julie 43
ITA ERRANI, Sara 44
ROU CIRSTEA, Sorana 45
USA KING, Vania 46
BYE 47
RUS CHAKVETADZE, Anna 48
USA WILLIAMS, Serena 49
BYE 50
ARG DULKO, Gisela 51
AUS MOLIK, Alicia 52
TPE CHAN, Yung-Jan 53
QUALIFIER 54
SUI BACSINSZKY, Timea 55
SLO SREBOTNIK, Katarina 56
ESP MEDINA GARRIGUES, Anabel 57
UKR PEREBIYNIS, Tatiana 58
RUS BYCHKOVA, Ekaterina 59
RUS VOSKOBOEVA, Galina 60
CHN YUAN, Meng 61
USA MATTEK, Bethanie 62
BYE 63
RUS SHARAPOVA, Maria 64

Expat
Apr 12th, 2008, 10:01 PM
:lol: Mixed up :lol:
fixed now

K-Dog
Apr 12th, 2008, 10:07 PM
My prediction:

Winner of Maria/Serena will play Jankovic in the final. Serena should win the match with Maria. It's clay, it'll be after Maria's long week in AI, and Serena's been in great form all year minus one bad match in Oz.

Dexter
Apr 12th, 2008, 10:08 PM
I bet Maria is going to withdraw.

No Name Face
Apr 12th, 2008, 10:10 PM
Maria won't play, so Serena has an easy way to the final :woohoo:
Now LenaD on the other hand has Jankovic on clay...so I'll just hope for a semifinal :)

goldenlox
Apr 12th, 2008, 10:10 PM
Maria is tired from 3 hour matches this week. She's already pulled out of Dubai and Miami.
She doesn't want to play a tournament when she's tired.
Anna has Cornet in her section. That's not easy, she just missed winning her SF today.

faboozadoo15
Apr 12th, 2008, 10:10 PM
Nice draw for Szavay... I think :scared:

I'll be curious to see if Maria will play. It's been a longass week.

Dodoboy.
Apr 12th, 2008, 10:12 PM
If Maria doesn't withdraw I can see her losing before the quarters.

If Serena is healthy she should make the final of this event, I'd like to see a repeat of the Miami Final.

Well done exactly but i would like Serena to handle a 6-1 3-0 lead better than she did :tape::lol:

Dodoboy.
Apr 12th, 2008, 10:13 PM
I really do think that Maria will play.

She won't withdraw . But that is just me :shrug:

Wiggly
Apr 12th, 2008, 10:14 PM
I really do think that Maria will play.

She won't withdraw . But that is just me :shrug:

She withdrew from Dubai and Miami. I don't see her playing Charleston with that Draw.:confused:

spiritedenergy
Apr 12th, 2008, 10:15 PM
I support Jelena and Serena

Russianboy
Apr 12th, 2008, 10:16 PM
She withdrew from Dubai and Miami. I don't see her playing Charleston with that Draw.:confused:

she didnt withdraw because of the draws.. she just didnt feel good enough to win the whole thing.
I even guess that masha didnt even know how her draw was like.

spiritedenergy
Apr 12th, 2008, 10:16 PM
She withdrew from Dubai and Miami. I don't see her playing Charleston with that Draw.:confused:

So does she always retire when she has slightly more difficult draws or what?:weirdo:

Dodoboy.
Apr 12th, 2008, 10:18 PM
Well i would be very very suprised if she did in fact retire.

-NAJ-
Apr 12th, 2008, 10:18 PM
She withdraw from Miami and Dubai before MD was out

IVI
Apr 12th, 2008, 10:20 PM
She withdraw from Miami and Dubai before MD was out

That's wrong. She was in Dubai draw, she was replaced by LL Morigami in the draw.

Rerun
Apr 12th, 2008, 10:23 PM
too easy draw for Jelena :o

Masha probably (if she'll play :rolleyes: )will meet Serena in QF:eek::eek:

btw it should be a Tier I :help::help::help::help::help::help:

Matt01
Apr 12th, 2008, 10:44 PM
btw it should be a Tier I :help::help::help::help::help::help:

It is ;)

Galsen
Apr 12th, 2008, 10:44 PM
Serena vs Maria :lol::tape::sad: sorry for Maria 6- 6-2 AO 07 and the demolition 6-1 6-1 Miami now 6-1 6-0:fiery::lick:

VishaalMaria
Apr 12th, 2008, 10:59 PM
Maria Sharapova wouldn't withdraw because of the draw. She had a tougher draw at the AO and she won that pretty easily and that was a slam.....these are minor tournaments compared to that.

And because everyone thinks Maria will be withdrawing, there won't be a big song and dance about it if she does or any negative comments. She's human and needs rest. She needs to be healthy.

joão.
Apr 12th, 2008, 11:02 PM
Maria Sharapova wouldn't withdraw because of the draw. She had a tougher draw at the AO and she won that pretty easily and that was a slam.....these are minor tournaments compared to that.

And because everyone thinks Maria will be withdrawing, there won't be a big song and dance about it if she does or any negative comments. She's human and needs rest. She needs to be healthy.

:worship:

spriwi
Apr 12th, 2008, 11:05 PM
aga - marta :rolls: will be fun !!!

great draw for aga, provided she plays anywhere near her usual non-american level ;)

goldenlox
Apr 12th, 2008, 11:08 PM
Maria should play. It's still a long way until the FO, playing an extra 2 or 3 or 4 matches can't hurt.
It seems likely she'll withdraw because not playing back to back weeks has been working for her this year.

But she should play, unless she gets an injury in the AI final.

Rerun
Apr 12th, 2008, 11:10 PM
It is ;)

yes but it has a poor entry list to be a Tier I :tape::help::help:

Wiggly
Apr 12th, 2008, 11:12 PM
So does she always retire when she has slightly more difficult draws or what?:weirdo:

No. I mean, she retired from Dubai and Miami, two big events on hardcourts. She played long matches on clay, her worst surface, she may be tired altought she has a day off. She didn't played back to back Doha and Dubai so I wouldn't expect her to do it on clay.

Volcana
Apr 12th, 2008, 11:13 PM
I feel like Serena gets a lot of tough draws at the big events. Sharapova in the QF is rough.a) Not so much on clay
b) Serena ...uh ... focuses really well when she plays Sharapova

goldenlox
Apr 12th, 2008, 11:15 PM
Serena should try focusing when she needs to win to get to Maria.
It didn't work out too well for her in Melbourne.

VishaalMaria
Apr 12th, 2008, 11:19 PM
Serena should try focusing when she needs to win to get to Maria.
It didn't work out too well for her in Melbourne.

I'm sure Serena was REAL worried when she was on course to playing Maria at the AO semis. I mean, it's understandable for Serena to be worried after crushing Maria, 6-1 6-2, 6-1 6-1 respectively last year. :tape::tape::tape:

mr_burns
Apr 12th, 2008, 11:20 PM
a weak draw for a tier I, not even 16 of the top 30....

not that great, I gues maria won't play..so it's up to serena

goldenlox
Apr 12th, 2008, 11:21 PM
Serena should have focused against Maria when she was going for a Wimbledon threepeat.
She might not get another chance for a win like that.

IanRadi
Apr 12th, 2008, 11:21 PM
Nice draw for Meg :D

Gise's 2nd round match :scared: :help:

The Daviator
Apr 12th, 2008, 11:24 PM
Pova should have skipped AI and prepared for this event, the only Tier Is she'll get to play on clay now will both be on red clay, with Henin, Ivanovic and all the rest there.

TomTennis
Apr 12th, 2008, 11:24 PM
I have a feeling that Maria will pull out.
Hope she doesnt so she can get a beatdown from Serena :drool: Win the title Ree! :bounce:

VishaalMaria
Apr 12th, 2008, 11:29 PM
Serena should have focused against Maria when she was going for a Wimbledon threepeat.
She might not get another chance for a win like that.

For a win like that? Serena did at the finals of the AO 07.

DutchieGirl
Apr 12th, 2008, 11:31 PM
Crappy - alot of my faves playing each other in 1st or 2nd rounds. :rolleyes: Surprised Misa actually got seeded - didn't think she was anywhere close to being so.

beriadan
Apr 12th, 2008, 11:32 PM
Hope Maria schools Rena.

Pleasantville
Apr 12th, 2008, 11:33 PM
cakewalk draw for jankovic

DutchieGirl
Apr 12th, 2008, 11:42 PM
cakewalk draw for jankovic

Absolutely! Cibulkova and Zvonareva are total pushovers! ;)

frontier
Apr 12th, 2008, 11:45 PM
Hope Maria schools Rena.since 2004 Maria has been Serena's poodle:p,I dont see Maria playing or going far at this event:p.I am afraid there wont be a showdown:p.

Slumpsova
Apr 12th, 2008, 11:48 PM
i think either Serena or Sharapova will withdraw to avoid each other.

VeeJJ
Apr 12th, 2008, 11:50 PM
i think we'll see another Jelena/Serena final. But since it's on clay...Jankovic will take it easy two sets. I didn't think she would be abl to defend anything this year but it's possible here.

RenaSlam.
Apr 13th, 2008, 12:01 AM
Take Maria out, Serena!

Although AMG could do it before the QF :devil:

hingisGOAT
Apr 13th, 2008, 12:03 AM
Is this thread for real? Maria is a big girl, she's in a good enough shape to play two tournaments in a row without crying about it, isn't she? :rolleyes: It would be COMPLETELY pathetic if she withdraws, but honestly I'd expect nothing less

Matt01
Apr 13th, 2008, 12:10 AM
Is this thread for real? Maria is a big girl, she's in a good enough shape to play two tournaments in a row without crying about it, isn't she? :rolleyes: It would be COMPLETELY pathetic if she withdraws, but honestly I'd expect nothing less


:lol: That last part of your post cracked me up...

frenchie
Apr 13th, 2008, 12:13 AM
Sharapova will withdraw

when she does well in her first tourny, she withdraws from the other one
Doha/Dubai
San Diego/LA
IW/Miami...

njnetswill
Apr 13th, 2008, 12:15 AM
That Safina/Chak section. :zzz:

hingisGOAT
Apr 13th, 2008, 12:17 AM
Ridiculous. She's a top 5 player, so there's no way she's expecting to lose early in any of those tournaments. Just a selfish robot with no respect for the fans :help:

I really hope for women's tennis sake that she plays Charelston, because her potential QF match vs. Serena is looking like the only high-profile match in an otherwise sad Tier I draw

sammy01
Apr 13th, 2008, 12:28 AM
i couldn't have picked a better draw for anna chakvetadze if i tried. she should even in her current form make the qtrs. the only player that could stop her is cornet but she looks tierd today and would need to win 2 matches before meeting anna. if anna makes the qtrs then it could be safina who anna has beaten this year.

if anna plays moderately well she has a great chance of a semi final at a tier 1 on clay woooooooooooooo. its a realy nice draw for her, i just hope shes in charleston practicing already as this is a massive chance she cant let slip by.

goldenlox
Apr 13th, 2008, 12:31 AM
I see Cornet as a young player who is dangerous, like Lisicki and Domi.

serenafan08
Apr 13th, 2008, 12:34 AM
Should be pretty interesting...too bad Justine and Venus aren't here. :(

sammy01
Apr 13th, 2008, 12:36 AM
I see Cornet as a young player who is dangerous, like Lisicki and Domi.

yeah but i think shes will be tierd from AI and i think shes not as mentaly tough as the 2 you mentioned.

frontier
Apr 13th, 2008, 12:37 AM
I think there will be lots of first rd losses from seeded players.

G1Player2
Apr 13th, 2008, 01:38 AM
Serena should have focused against Maria when she was going for a Wimbledon threepeat.
She might not get another chance for a win like that.


:weirdo: Are you kidding me? I am sure Serena is shaking in her boots at the thought of facing Maria. A player she has beaten 3 times in a row and the last 2 matches were blowouts.

goldenlox
Apr 13th, 2008, 01:42 AM
Maria lost back to back to Aga and Vika last year.
She had a shoulder problem.
In Melbourne, she won the AO without losing a set. Serena was in the draw. Serena was in the USO 2006 draw that Maria won.
Who cares if Serena's shaking or not. That's not Maria's problem. She's won 2 of the last 6 majors and is 22-1 this year.

Sir Stefwhit
Apr 13th, 2008, 01:47 AM
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SelesFan70
Apr 13th, 2008, 01:54 AM
Will Bartoli come out of her slump in Charleston? :help:

morningglory
Apr 13th, 2008, 02:09 AM
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cellophane
Apr 13th, 2008, 02:19 AM
Serena vs. Maria on clay would be interesting, but Serena might still kick her ass. Maria probably won't be there anyways.

InsideOut.
Apr 13th, 2008, 03:38 AM
Will Bartoli come out of her slump in Charleston? :help:

No.

Maybe when the grass season starts.

hayleytrotter
Apr 13th, 2008, 03:40 AM
Jankovic has the easiest draw EVER.

InsideOut.
Apr 13th, 2008, 03:45 AM
Jankovic has the easiest draw EVER.

Cibulkova, Zvonareva, and Dementieva are all tough on clay.

It's shocking that Dominika is seeded at a Tier I though...

UDACHi
Apr 13th, 2008, 03:58 AM
Will Bartoli come out of her slump in Charleston? :help:

clay, so unlikely, but GOD DAMN that is one favorable draw.

G1Player2
Apr 13th, 2008, 05:23 AM
Maria lost back to back to Aga and Vika last year.
She had a shoulder problem.
In Melbourne, she won the AO without losing a set. Serena was in the draw. Serena was in the USO 2006 draw that Maria won.
Who cares if Serena's shaking or not. That's not Maria's problem. She's won 2 of the last 6 majors and is 22-1 this year.

So what? Serena still drummed her like a fiddle twixe last year. Besides that, Maria was also in the AO 2007 draw, and in the Wimbledon 2007 draw and went down easily to BOTH WS. So, what are you talking about? :weirdo:

linds seles
Apr 13th, 2008, 05:27 AM
The link won't work for me. How are lindsay and Serena's draws?

Lucyxx
Apr 13th, 2008, 05:32 AM
ALl watchable times! I dont have classes on that time slot at all! YES!
And we can all be bullshitted into seeing the same faces over and over again! YES! :woohoo:

austennis
Apr 13th, 2008, 06:40 AM
haha maria vs serena which 1 will lose first?
i bet serena lol out by 3rd round
y isnt ana playing?

bellascarlett
Apr 13th, 2008, 06:57 AM
:lol: of all qf matchups...maria-serena...

makes the rest of the draw look :yawn:

thing is, good chance the matchup won't happen.

s_j
Apr 13th, 2008, 07:31 AM
Maria's website has announced her draw. It doesn't look like she's pulling out just yet!

Serenidad.
Apr 13th, 2008, 08:17 AM
Serena will be rested. Maria has played 3 hour matches and the week before and is tired. Serena is the better clay courter. Serena is in Maria's head. Serena is the clear favorite.

Another smothering.

frenchie
Apr 13th, 2008, 11:19 AM
Serena will give Maria a very very tough time on clay!

That will be a slaughter just like that RG SF against Ivanovic

~Cherry*Blossom~
Apr 13th, 2008, 11:24 AM
Maria lost back to back to Aga and Vika last year.
She had a shoulder problem.
In Melbourne, she won the AO without losing a set. Serena was in the draw. Serena was in the USO 2006 draw that Maria won.
Who cares if Serena's shaking or not. That's not Maria's problem. She's won 2 of the last 6 majors and is 22-1 this year.

Serena Williams had knee surgery.
Serena has won 8 slams.
Serena has won all four slams and held them at the same time.
Serena won the Italian Open & French Open back to back. That's a Tier I & a grandslam.
Serena Williams has also reached another French Open semifinal.
Serena has also reached the Charleston final in 2003.
In her last two encounters with Sharapova, Serena won 6-1 6-2 & 6-1 6-1.
Serena has just won her fifth ever Miami title, tying Graf for the all time record.
Serena has won both Bangalore and Miami and is on a winning streak. The only match she has lost was to Jelena Jankovic and the Australian, but she avenged that loss in the Miami final.
Serena is the best player of this generation!

Thank you.

joão.
Apr 13th, 2008, 11:25 AM
Let's wait and see if Maria actually gets to the Quarters before making more predictions, lol. :P

kadirelf
Apr 13th, 2008, 11:28 AM
Nice Draw Serena Go wint this title

goldenlox
Apr 13th, 2008, 11:54 AM
Serena has won one major in 3 years and 3 months, and counting.
Maria won the AO THIS year, and has won 2 of the last 6 majors. And she's 20.
The best player of this generation is years away from being determined.

mankind
Apr 13th, 2008, 12:03 PM
Serena has won both Bangalore and Miami and is on a winning streak. The only match she has lost was to Jelena Jankovic and the Australian, but she avenged that loss in the Miami final.
Serena is the best player of this generation!

Thank you.

Maria's on a winning streak too, thank you very much! What are we up to now, goldenlox, 3? INCREDIBLE STAT (or feet, should I say?) Unbeaten on clay this year is Sharapova. :worship:

Medina
Apr 13th, 2008, 12:06 PM
anabel - sharapova again :tape:

Destiny
Apr 13th, 2008, 12:31 PM
Serena :worship:

Pave your way through to beating Pova.

Serge007
Apr 13th, 2008, 01:06 PM
Serena is the best player of this generation!
What generation?

Olórin
Apr 13th, 2008, 01:08 PM
Serena Williams had knee surgery.
Serena has won 8 slams.
Serena has won all four slams and held them at the same time.
Serena won the Italian Open & French Open back to back. That's a Tier I & a grandslam.
Serena Williams has also reached another French Open semifinal.
Serena has also reached the Charleston final in 2003.
In her last two encounters with Sharapova, Serena won 6-1 6-2 & 6-1 6-1.
Serena has just won her fifth ever Miami title, tying Graf for the all time record.
Serena has won both Bangalore and Miami and is on a winning streak. The only match she has lost was to Jelena Jankovic and the Australian, but she avenged that loss in the Miami final.
Serena is the best player of this generation!

Thank you.

Goldenlox just got double bagelled :lol:

Olórin
Apr 13th, 2008, 01:09 PM
What generation?

The current one.

Mileen
Apr 13th, 2008, 01:15 PM
And we won't get to watch this :sobbing:

Maybe on ES live stream again!

Krajicek in the weakest part of the draw again, not to mention very lucky with being the last seed (again, after Wimby), especially since she will be ranked around #47 tomorrow. Chakvetadze 3rd seed :eek:
Overall a very nice tournie! I think it's a very interesting time with all those knew up and coming players! Next Monday for instance, there will be (relatively) a lot of movements in the rankings. I think it's a really exciting time, with all these upsets as a consequence.

Marco Fernandes
Apr 13th, 2008, 01:34 PM
This is so sad... :help:

Serena wins a good tournament and then all her fans start saying that she won't lose another match this year and that she'll be the clay queen this year. OMG, really ! :rolleyes:

We'll see... MARK MY WORDS: Jankovic will be the clay court queen this year... She has everything to win on this surface except for her serve that could be better :drool:

If either Maria or Serena play against her, just forget about it, they would get stunned :help:

goldenlox
Apr 13th, 2008, 01:35 PM
The current one.The current one has Justine winning 7 of the last 20 majors. Serena one of the last 12 and 2 of the last 18.
Maria 2 of the last 6. Maria is a lot younger than both of them.
Who is the best is far from decided.

mankind
Apr 13th, 2008, 01:41 PM
The current one has Justine winning 7 of the last 20 majors. Serena one of the last 12 and 2 of the last 18.
Maria 2 of the last 6. Maria is a lot younger than both of them.
Who is the best is far from decided.

Ipso facto - different generation.
At one stage Serena had won 5 of the last 6 majors (compared to Maria's incredible TWO out of the last 6). Sharapova is completely incapable of that kind of dominance.

goldenlox
Apr 13th, 2008, 01:44 PM
We will find out.
Justine won her first major 13 months before Maria's Wimbledon. I put them in the same generation.
Serena is playing now, she's just not winning as much as the other 2.
Lets see how their careers turn out before we decide whose career was better.

Olórin
Apr 13th, 2008, 01:51 PM
The current one has Justine winning 7 of the last 20 majors. Serena one of the last 12 and 2 of the last 18.
Maria 2 of the last 6. Maria is a lot younger than both of them.
Who is the best is far from decided.

Serena won 7 of the last 24 majors, which is nearly as good as Justine; or perhaps we should mention that Steffi Graf won 22 of the last 84. You can either randomly grasp for facts and post them, or you can make an actual argument. I'll leave that to you.

goldenlox
Apr 13th, 2008, 01:59 PM
The argument is fact. Serena has won one major in 3 years and 3 months.
And lost in the QF of the last 4 majors.
That's a big chunk of time, over 3 years.
If you are talking careers, let them finish them, and not overweigh 2 years out of 10+

Olórin
Apr 13th, 2008, 02:04 PM
The argument is fact. Serena has won one major in 3 years and 3 months.
And lost in the QF of the last 4 majors.
That's a big chunk of time, over 3 years.
If you are talking careers, let them finish them, and not overweigh 2 years out of 10+

You are picking arbitrary time periods on which to base your facts. You are trying to use those facts to illustrate a point. You can use stats like that to prove things if you want, but you haven't qualified your data or used equal parameters for your comparisons. In short your analysis is inept.

The only fair way to do it is to compare what they have achieved from the beginning of their careers. If you are talking careers, talk about them, and stop picking arbitrary periods of time.

Langers
Apr 13th, 2008, 02:09 PM
Sorana Cirstea to take the title.

Other than her and Radwanska, there's no one that I really like in this tournament.

goldenlox
Apr 13th, 2008, 02:11 PM
I'm using the NOW.
Career slams are 8,7, 3. But they're in the middle of their careers, not retired.
Justine has won at least one major in each of the last 5 years.
Maria just won a major at age 20 without losing a set. These players aren't retiring this month.

terjw
Apr 13th, 2008, 02:13 PM
Go Jelena - take the title. :)

Olórin
Apr 13th, 2008, 02:15 PM
I'm using the NOW.


Ok then why are you talking about the last 3 years? The now is that Serena is on a ten match winning streak. We'll see what happens but only an idiot would deny her achievements in the past and that she's proved herself a multitude of times.

sammy01
Apr 13th, 2008, 02:20 PM
The argument is fact. Serena has won one major in 3 years and 3 months.
And lost in the QF of the last 4 majors.
That's a big chunk of time, over 3 years.
If you are talking careers, let them finish them, and not overweigh 2 years out of 10+

heres a fact for you in the last 3 years 8 months maria sharapova has won 2 grand slams, in the last 3 years 4 months serenas won 2 grand slams (beating maria in both). now who looks more dominant or on course for more slams? :wavey:

we can all manipulate facts for our own good.

Vacant
Apr 13th, 2008, 02:26 PM
I hope for another JJ vs Rena final, with the opposite result to Miami.

goldenlox
Apr 13th, 2008, 02:26 PM
The NOW means recent majors.
Serena's 2nd most recent major is over 3 years ago. And she lost QF's at the last 4.
I'm saying let their careers finish, before you compare careers. Is that manipulating?

Olórin
Apr 13th, 2008, 02:32 PM
The NOW means recent majors.
Serena's 2nd most recent major is over 3 years ago. And she lost QF's at the last 4.
I'm saying let their careers finish, before you compare careers. Is that manipulating?

Yes...duh...that's what you've been doing this entire thread. You're just manipulating the facts to suit your needs. And in a pretty transparent manner.

I agree we should let their careers finish before we say defintively who is better regarding Serena and Justine, however their achievements are in a different league to Maria's and she cannot be compared to these two at the moment. I find it difficult to see her even getting close to them in terms of greatness, certainly as a player she is not as good as either when they're at their best.

goldenlox
Apr 13th, 2008, 02:35 PM
Who cares how you see Maria's future. She's won 3 majors before she turns 21.
That puts her in the discussion of best careers.

Olórin
Apr 13th, 2008, 02:41 PM
Who cares how you see Maria's future. She's won 3 majors before she turns 21.
That puts her in the discussion of best careers.

Serena had won 6 by that age. Serena and Justine have both won twice as many majors as Maria. They trump her on every single stat. She cannot be compared to them; to do so is insulting to what they have accomplished. Period.

Vacant
Apr 13th, 2008, 02:42 PM
Pointless discussion, all these players still have plenty of opportunities to win slams.
Serena, Justine (and Venus, she has 6 slams) are all ahead of Maria right now, but I wouldn't be surprised if Maria ended her career with more than all three of them. When they've retired, outside of clay, I don't see anyone who's on the same level as Maria right now. She could dominate, esp. at Wimbledon and US Open.
Though I do hope JJ, Ana and Sveta learn how to beat her consistently at the slams.

goldenlox
Apr 13th, 2008, 02:50 PM
Exactly. Pointless. A Williams fan is going to determine Maria's future before it happens.
It can't get stupider than that.

Lucas_Arg
Apr 13th, 2008, 02:59 PM
This thread is about Charleston, right?
I'm happy for Maria and her three slams and Williams fans should be happy for her with her eight slams.
Relax guys!

Dodoboy.
Apr 13th, 2008, 03:06 PM
Serena's form this season has been amazing. Minus the AO loss she is playing on the same par as Maria.

Emina.
Apr 13th, 2008, 03:07 PM
JJ will take this :(

Olórin
Apr 13th, 2008, 03:08 PM
Exactly. Pointless. A Williams fan is going to determine Maria's future before it happens.
It can't get stupider than that.

Umm you just did, I'm determining things as they are. Thinking is hard isn't it?

Russianboy
Apr 13th, 2008, 03:17 PM
Serena had won 6 by that age. Serena and Justine have both won twice as many majors as Maria. They trump her on every single stat. She cannot be compared to them; to do so is insulting to what they have accomplished. Period.

no, she had 4

goldenlox
Apr 13th, 2008, 03:20 PM
It doesn't matter how many she had then. She's won 2 of the last 18.
That's why Justine is only one behind her.
Maria is 4 behind Justine as she turns 21.
The race is on.

watchdogfish
Apr 13th, 2008, 03:33 PM
Anything can happen though. Last year was a prime example with Maria's injury. Serena and Venus were expected to dominate for many years after 2002 but injuries and personal issues interfered; and if you said to anyone in 1999/2000 that the '99 Australian Open would be Hingis' last major title they would've laughed at you. Forecasting the future is pointless it's best to take each tournament as it comes.

#######

Back to the draw...Zvonareva could be a dark horse here, she's been pretty good in Tier Is so far this year.

Dodoboy.
Apr 13th, 2008, 03:46 PM
Anything can happen though. Last year was a prime example with Maria's injury. Serena and Venus were expected to dominate for many years after 2002 but injuries and personal issues interfered; and if you said to anyone in 1999/2000 that the '99 Australian Open would be Hingis' last major title they would've laughed at you. Forecasting the future is pointless it's best to take each tournament as it comes.

#######

Back to the draw...Zvonareva could be a dark horse here, she's been pretty good in Tier Is so far this year.
:worship::worship:

DarkchildSwiss
Apr 13th, 2008, 04:07 PM
another possible 2nd round match between Patty and Vesnina.

Mina Vagante
Apr 13th, 2008, 05:33 PM
:lol: I love how the posts now have nothing to do with the thread title :p

Craig.
Apr 13th, 2008, 05:51 PM
:lol: I love how the posts now have nothing to do with the thread title :p

I know! :lol:

-VSR-
Apr 13th, 2008, 06:15 PM
Wow this thread is about the main draw of Charleston. :o

Goldenlox, why are you such an idiot. :shrug:

Olórin
Apr 13th, 2008, 06:28 PM
Goldenlox, why are you such an idiot. :shrug:

:lol:

goldenlox
Apr 13th, 2008, 06:29 PM
The Williams trolls are the idiots.
I'm just bringing facts to it.
Let their careers play out.

Olórin
Apr 13th, 2008, 06:31 PM
"Facts"

In The Zone
Apr 13th, 2008, 06:47 PM
Maria will be withdrawing from Charleston after seeing this.

starin
Apr 13th, 2008, 06:50 PM
Serena should try focusing when she needs to win to get to Maria.
It didn't work out too well for her in Melbourne.

:rolleyes: Goldenlox started this shiz days ago and keeps fanning the flame.

Here's some facts for Goldenlox

Justine has won 7/18 slams that she's physically played in.
Maria has won 3/18 slams she's physically played in.
Serena has won 6/18 slams she's physically played in. :eek:


or how bout this:

Maria had won 2/18 slams she first played in
Justine had won 3/18 slams she first played in
Serena had won 5/18 slams she first played in
Hingis had won 5/18 slams she first played in
Venus had won 4/18 slams she first played in


wow for someone who has had such an "amazing" career for someone her age (as goldenlox likes to remind us) she doesn't stack up that well against other players.

Hingis and Maria are the only two who managed to stay healthy and play all the of the first 18 slams of their consecutively. And Maria with all that health and good fortune only managed to win 2 and reach one other final while Hingis managed to win 5 and reach 2 other finals.


Hingis and Serena won a bunch of slam while they were younger and had much more impressive stars to their career (in terms of slams won) than Sharapova. But both significantly petered out after that. Justine on the other hand had the least impressive start to her career (in terms of slams) (But still more impressive than Sharapova's) but has gotten better as her career progressed and won more and more slams.

Sharapova can go the way of Hingis or the way Henin...but you can't use past statistics and say how great Sharapova and say that automatically equals future domination. Fact of the matter Sharapova has been pretty healthy, not missing any slams and you know what that's not going to last forever. And like we've seen b4 injuries derail careers and so Sharapova better be hoarding up those slams now like a mofo while she's young and healthy and there aren't that many younger and better competitors out to get her.

goldenlox
Apr 13th, 2008, 06:52 PM
At one point, Venus had 4 majors, Serena had 5 and Justine had none.
Now Justine is ahead of Venus and one behind Serena.

That's very simple.

And Maria is 4 behind Justine and a lot younger.

AcesHigh
Apr 13th, 2008, 06:57 PM
At one point, Venus had 4 majors, Serena had 5 and Justine had none.
Now Justine is ahead of Venus and one behind Serena.

That's very simple.

And Maria is 4 behind Justine and a lot younger.

So what? You do know that means nothing. This thread is getting ridiculous and is dragged down by this useless argument.

No offense, but I am beginning to wonder if you know that 95% of the stats you put in threads have no relevance OR significance whatsoever.

The only relevant fact is that Sharapova is the only one with a major this year and that bodes well for her future performance it seems.

However, with Sharapova winning a major only every 2 years and with this recurring "shoulder" issue, it doesn't look like she'll pass any of the three. I predicted that she'd end up with around 8.. but with the shoulder issue, that seems a little lofty.

goldenlox
Apr 13th, 2008, 07:00 PM
Of course it means nothing. Yet the Williams fans keep going.

It is very simple. Let them finish and then we'll judge those careers after they retired.
And I've wrote that 10 times and keep getting dopey responses to it.

heart
Apr 13th, 2008, 07:28 PM
Maria will be withdrawing from Charleston after seeing this.

:worship: :tape:

starin
Apr 13th, 2008, 07:41 PM
Of course it means nothing. Yet the Williams fans keep going.

It is very simple. Let them finish and then we'll judge those careers after they retired.
And I've wrote that 10 times and keep getting dopey responses to it.

like i've shown u're the one who started this shiz. and you're the one who keeps fanning it. fact of the matter 90% of your stats are just flat out bs. if you stop posting insulting posts about Serena or Venus these "Williams" fans will leave you're arse alone.

Craigy
Apr 13th, 2008, 07:42 PM
Of course it means nothing. Yet the Williams fans keep going.

It is very simple. Let them finish and then we'll judge those careers after they retired.
And I've wrote that 10 times and keep getting dopey responses to it.

And you still reply back. So maybe you could be the big person and leave it. But no, that would be hard! :speakles:

goldenlox
Apr 13th, 2008, 07:56 PM
I reply back with numbers. Over the last 5 years, there were 20 majors.
Justine won 7. Maria and Serena won 3.
That is absolute fact.
It's not a knock on Serena.

Justine has been the best player for 5 full years.
I say let them all finish their careers.


Then I enjoy the angry responses.

Russianboy
Apr 13th, 2008, 07:58 PM
Maria will be withdrawing from Charleston after seeing this.

after what? after seeing ur face? :weirdo:

In The Zone
Apr 13th, 2008, 07:59 PM
after what? after seeing ur face? :weirdo:

After seeing my face, she'd already would have "concentrated" 5 times. ;)

But I foresee Maria's shoulder "aching" tomorrow morning.

Olórin
Apr 13th, 2008, 08:01 PM
I reply back with numbers. Over the last 5 years, there were 20 majors.
Justine won 7. Maria and Serena won 3.
That is absolute fact.
It's not a knock on Serena.

Justine has been the best player for 5 full years.
I say let them all finish their careers.


Then I enjoy the angry responses.

I'm quite impressed by your ability to count up to 20 and go to wtatour.com
Now if only you could turn all these stats into some useful information we could have a conversation instead of the same old record on shuffle repeat. :)

Mina Vagante
Apr 13th, 2008, 08:11 PM
Jeeeez. This thread :rolleyes:

selesbooz
Apr 13th, 2008, 08:16 PM
Maria will be withdrawing from Charleston after seeing this.

Why do you care.
BTW Maria just said tha she was playing Charleston:bounce::wavey:

Craig.
Apr 13th, 2008, 08:28 PM
Why do you care.
BTW Maria just said tha she was playing Charleston:bounce::wavey:

Wow, really? Where did you hear that?

goldenlox
Apr 13th, 2008, 08:31 PM
Maria said it after the final. But I think enjoying this win and celebrating her 21st is not a bad idea either.
If she's healthy and feels ready for 3, 4 or 5 more long matches, she should play.

selesbooz
Apr 13th, 2008, 08:32 PM
Wow, really? Where did you hear that?

Live on ESNP2. When they talked to her right after she won. She said "next week I am playing Charleston".

Adal
Apr 13th, 2008, 08:35 PM
What else did she say at the ceremony? How did it went?

Craig.
Apr 13th, 2008, 08:44 PM
Live on ESNP2. When they talked to her right after she won. She said "next week I am playing Charleston".

Awesome, thanks! :bounce:

selesbooz
Apr 13th, 2008, 08:50 PM
What else did she say at the ceremony? How did it went?

I was not paying attention to all of the questions but the question about next week was asked and she said that she was play. Earlier in the match they played an interview with her and she said that she was going to play two tournment on this surface and 1 or 2 on european clay. This make me believe that she will withdraw from one of those especially if she does well at Charleston.

G1Player2
Apr 13th, 2008, 10:04 PM
Serena has won one major in 3 years and 3 months, and counting.
Maria won the AO THIS year, and has won 2 of the last 6 majors. And she's 20.
The best player of this generation is years away from being determined.

Serena was on her way onto winning 4 slams in a row when she was 20. And? Besides that, Serena had won 5 of 6 grand slams which trumps Maria's measly 2 of 6 grand slams. :rolleyes:

Also, Serena was injured the last half of the year with the calf injury and thumb injury she sustained at Wimbledon. Trust me, this year will be alot different if she stays healthy.

Also, I want to get back on this issue of age. You keep saying her age, but if you rank her with Venus and Serena at that age she doesn't stack up. Venus had 4 majors at 21 and Serena had 6 majors at 21. Maria will be 21 next week. So, the fact that you keep harping on her age, when Venus and Serena has accomplished more than her at the age of 21, proves how wrong you are. And besides that, Sharapova has never won back to back slams which both Venus and Serena have done.

And, I don't think Sharapova will be wanting to face Venus or Serena anytime soon considering she has lost 5 out of the last 6 matches against them. :tape:

goldenlox
Apr 13th, 2008, 10:08 PM
Venus and Serena are excellent players.
That's one of the reasons those numbers stick out.
Serena 2 slam wins since July 2003, Venus 2 slam wins since Sept 2001.

I don't know who Maria would like to play. She plays whatever draw she has. Like in Melbourne.

G1Player2
Apr 13th, 2008, 10:13 PM
Venus and Serena are excellent players.
That's one of the reasons those numbers stick out.
Serena 2 slam wins since July 2003, Venus 2 slam wins since Sept 2001.

I don't know who Maria would like to play. She plays whatever draw she has. Like in Melbourne.

:lol: At you trying to pick out arbitrary stats to manipulate things. Okay, put it this way Venus has won 2 slams since Sept 2001 and Serena has won 2 slams since July 2003. Sharapova has won 3 in that time period and her last won just came recently. So, Venus and Serena are behind just 1 during that time period and not to mention Serena being out of the game for an entire year with knee surgery.

Maria does play whatever draw she has but she has also mentioned how Wimbledon is her favorite tournament so she has to hope for a good draw. If she faces Venus again this year, she goes down in straight sets. For the third time.

goldenlox
Apr 13th, 2008, 10:23 PM
We will see. Maria just played the best major of her life, not losing a set and winning 5 straight matches giving up 4 games or less.
She's 22-1 this year, including her major, very good mentally.

I think her future looks good, but who knows.
Time will tell, and I'm enjoying the current situation.

morningglory
Apr 13th, 2008, 10:53 PM
Serena was on her way onto winning 4 slams in a row when she was 20. And? Besides that, Serena had won 5 of 6 grand slams which trumps Maria's measly 2 of 6 grand slams. :rolleyes:

Also, Serena was injured the last half of the year with the calf injury and thumb injury she sustained at Wimbledon. Trust me, this year will be alot different if she stays healthy.

Also, I want to get back on this issue of age. You keep saying her age, but if you rank her with Venus and Serena at that age she doesn't stack up. Venus had 4 majors at 21 and Serena had 6 majors at 21. Maria will be 21 next week. So, the fact that you keep harping on her age, when Venus and Serena has accomplished more than her at the age of 21, proves how wrong you are. And besides that, Sharapova has never won back to back slams which both Venus and Serena have done.

And, I don't think Sharapova will be wanting to face Venus or Serena anytime soon considering she has lost 5 out of the last 6 matches against them. :tape:
WEll given that Maria turns 21 next week, technically she has 5 slams more before she "stops" being 21... She might catch Venus who knows...

Kunal
Apr 14th, 2008, 01:53 PM
bring the quarters on!

Il Primo!
Apr 14th, 2008, 02:19 PM
Serena was on her way onto winning 4 slams in a row when she was 20. And? Besides that, Serena had won 5 of 6 grand slams which trumps Maria's measly 2 of 6 grand slams. :rolleyes:

Also, Serena was injured the last half of the year with the calf injury and thumb injury she sustained at Wimbledon. Trust me, this year will be alot different if she stays healthy.

Also, I want to get back on this issue of age. You keep saying her age, but if you rank her with Venus and Serena at that age she doesn't stack up. Venus had 4 majors at 21 and Serena had 6 majors at 21. Maria will be 21 next week. So, the fact that you keep harping on her age, when Venus and Serena has accomplished more than her at the age of 21, proves how wrong you are. And besides that, Sharapova has never won back to back slams which both Venus and Serena have done.

And, I don't think Sharapova will be wanting to face Venus or Serena anytime soon considering she has lost 5 out of the last 6 matches against them. :tape:

Well given that Maria turns 21 next week, technically she has 5 slams more before she "stops" being 21... She might catch Venus who knows...

Thanks morningglory for clarifying some aspects since GPlayer21's logic is cheap.

And I amazed when I read Masha is treated like Vee's bicth whereas she's leading the H2H and never lost two matches in a row against her. But people chose to consider both WS at the same time in order to hide the truth whih is: Serena is tough for Masha but Venus, not so much.

DA FOREHAND
Apr 14th, 2008, 03:45 PM
Yet again, Serena gets the toughest opponent in her quarter :lol: When will she ever get Chakvetadze :o

Anyway, go Rena :yeah:

You think that would be an easy matchup for Serena?