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Cam'ron Giles
Apr 12th, 2008, 06:24 PM
...Sharapova winning the French?

Wannabeknowitall
Apr 12th, 2008, 06:25 PM
Sharapova winning the French.

Justine is getting to the point in her career in which it's possible you won't see her in a Roland Garros final every year.
If Serena isn't going to bash her off the court, then it's likely to be Maria.

Dave.
Apr 12th, 2008, 06:26 PM
Justine winning Wimbledon no question. She has proven herself on grass loads of times.

mckyle.
Apr 12th, 2008, 06:26 PM
Sharapova winning the French.

Agreed.

Mina Vagante
Apr 12th, 2008, 06:27 PM
Justine winning wimbledon.

I hope she doesn't though

OMG i justttt realised that Maria only needs the french for the Grand Slam- Woah all of a sudden i was like :eek:

Cam'ron Giles
Apr 12th, 2008, 06:33 PM
I agree that Justine has a much better chance on grass than Maria has on clay...She has a proven record...I just dont see Maria ever winning the French...:shrug:

joão.
Apr 12th, 2008, 06:34 PM
Maria winning the FO altho i still think it won't be soon but she has more time to get there. While Justine looks like she's in a bad moment of her #1 career so or she wins now Wimbledon and I don't see that happening since a lot of players have been proving themselves on big tournaments better than Justine has so I don't see her winning it before Maria.
But it's WTA and anything can happen, i think?

Mina Vagante
Apr 12th, 2008, 06:37 PM
I agree that Justine has a much better chance on grass than Maria has on clay...She has a proven record...I just dont see Maria ever winning the French...:shrug:

I agree, I am surprised people are saying Sharapova winning the french. For me, I always can see Henin winning Wimbledon and reaching two finals shows that has the game to do so. Maria at the French however, i just don't see her winning. I dont think she will improve on her SF from last year.

danieln1
Apr 12th, 2008, 06:46 PM
Sharapova winning the French, because Justine won´t win Wimbledon anytime soon, since Wimbledon champs don´t lose to the likes of Marion Bartoli on grass!

Cam'ron Giles
Apr 12th, 2008, 06:59 PM
Wimbledon champs don´t lose to the likes of Marion Bartoli on grass!

She picked the wrong time to have a bad day? :unsure:

Destiny
Apr 12th, 2008, 07:01 PM
Henin winning Wimbly .Hope not but can see it happening more than Pova win French :tape:
Hope she doesn't even touch the wimbly winners trophy

wild.river
Apr 12th, 2008, 07:14 PM
if sharapova continues the pattern, then RG '10 will be hers.
but i think justine has a good chance of winning Wimbledon this year. if not then maybe never.

Wannabeknowitall
Apr 12th, 2008, 07:44 PM
She picked the wrong time to have a bad day? :unsure:

Considering it might have been her best shot at winning Wimbledon, you don't want to have a bad day.

Matt01
Apr 12th, 2008, 08:59 PM
Sharapova winning the French.

Justine is getting to the point in her career in which it's possible you won't see her in a Roland Garros final every year.
If Serena isn't going to bash her off the court, then it's likely to be Maria.


The expert has spoken :rolleyes:

Ellery
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:03 PM
Justine winning Wimbledon.

Tennisstar86
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:09 PM
Justines made 2 Wimbledon Finals... But i dont see either one of them winning them at all really...

Wannabeknowitall
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:10 PM
The expert has spoken

Why thanks.
But enough about me, where were you when I was defending Roddick on this board.
Nowhere to be found, that's right.

Olórin
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:10 PM
I don't see either happening...ever. Certainly not this year.

IceHock
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:20 PM
I think Maria is too uncomfortable on the clay, she'll rely on her power to take out the not so good claycourters but when she meets a good one, I think she's done, Justine seems to have a good grass game with her volleys, except she will be overpowered by the big 3 on anyday on grass, so idk I can't say I see either winning it, I might give the slight edge to Maria because of her age, but her chances really aren't good at all.

Matt01
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:23 PM
Why thanks.
But enough about me, where were you when I was defending Roddick on this board.
Nowhere to be found, that's right.


I'm not a Roddick-fan. :p

Dodoboy.
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:26 PM
Maria has accomplished so much - it gets past me sometimes!

I favour her winning at the French over Justine in wimby.

Emina.
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:28 PM
Maria @ FO :drool:

Uranium
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:29 PM
Neither
But Justine winning Wimbledon is more probable

In The Zone
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:34 PM
Considering Maria was almost bounced by two modest clay courters on GREEN clay, imagine someone with confidence and a spine. Maria is not winning the French. Ever.

Justine is also not winning Wimbledon.

Which is more likely? Justine winning Wimbledon. Venus can't win it every year and who knows, maybe Serena will break her other thumb.

AcesHigh
Apr 12th, 2008, 09:34 PM
Henin=Wimbledon 2008 champion :)

Anyway, even if she doesn't win this year.. I've said enough about Henin's excellence on grass in other threads to prove my point. This question is so obvious it doesnt even deserve a long post. Sharapova has 0 clay titles and Henin has made the final of Wimbledon twice. Sharpaova's game is not good for clay and Henin's game is excellent for clay. Roland Garros doesn't get any easier to win as you get older and Wimbledon is the slam where age matters the least IMO.

DOUBLEFIST
Apr 13th, 2008, 06:01 AM
Any other year I'd say Juju and Wimby, but the way she's been playing. I'd have to say the odds are even.

hayleytrotter
Apr 13th, 2008, 06:18 AM
If Justine doesnt get Wimbledon this year or next she will never get it. Her knee is giving out and she isnt.... getting any younger. She is not old by any means but her body seems to be catching up with her.

As for Sharapova, she is (give or take a day or 10) 21 years old. She has years ahead of her. Its probable she will win the french open.

bellascarlett
Apr 13th, 2008, 06:26 AM
Justine winning Wimbledon. Until Maria ACTUALLY wins the French, most likely will be always be Justine winning Wimbledon.

Serenidad.
Apr 13th, 2008, 07:08 AM
I feel if Justine doesn't win WBLN this year she won't win it, and..

neither will happen.

So Disrespectful
Apr 13th, 2008, 07:09 AM
Whichever tournament comes first this year ;)

austennis
Apr 13th, 2008, 08:25 AM
Justine... but love it to be maria

roxi
Apr 13th, 2008, 08:28 AM
I think that both is very likely to happen!!!

Harvs
Apr 13th, 2008, 08:29 AM
justine

Nikkiri
Apr 13th, 2008, 09:10 AM
Justine.. I just can't imagine Maria winning RG.

NZ tennis fan
Apr 13th, 2008, 09:45 AM
Justine is a better player on grass than maria is on clay hands down. However I think Maria has a better chance to claim all 4 slams because she has time on her side. Also, justine is disadvantaged because she does so well at the french and by the time the business end of wimbledon comes round she has nothing left. In saying that Justine still has a decent chance to wim wimbledon this year if she is fit and doesnt play eastbourne.

<Sven>
Apr 13th, 2008, 10:09 AM
Justine will be challenged by the sisters and sharapova on wimbly, and in this form, she doesn't stand a chance
However, Maria is challenged at RG by a lot more players... Henin, Ivanovic, Jankovic, Kuznetsova, Serena and Venus, maybe even Davenport! LOL
So Justine is still more likely, because she has less opponents to worry about
(if Mauresmo could ever find her form you can add her to both lists... but I seriously doubt it...)

Matt01
Apr 13th, 2008, 10:28 AM
As for Sharapova, she is (give or take a day or 10) 21 years old. She has years ahead of her. Its probable she will win the french open.


Shoulder injury? .....

nazgul82
Apr 13th, 2008, 10:38 AM
In their currently form I bet on MAsha

mankind
Apr 13th, 2008, 10:53 AM
Justine winning Wimbledon is plausible.
Maria winning Paris is so crazy a notion it acually might come true. Then again, being a fighter will only get you so far. Sharapova has to modify her game on clay, not just play like a hardcourter and fight like crazy. That certainly will not win her a slam, IMO.

jujufreak
Apr 13th, 2008, 12:30 PM
Sharapova winning the French, because Justine won´t win Wimbledon anytime soon, since Wimbledon champs don´t lose to the likes of Marion Bartoli on grass!

right, they lose to Craybas or Sprem :rolleyes:

ZeroSOFInfinity
Apr 13th, 2008, 12:38 PM
One has reached the Wimby Final twice, and won tournaments on grass before.

The other only reached a RG semis, and no clay titles yet (although in the next 24 hours, she might have one).

Who do you think will win it first?

Allez-H
Apr 13th, 2008, 12:45 PM
right, they lose to Craybas or Sprem :rolleyes:

I was thinking the same thing. Everybody has bad days and sometimes they fall at the worst possible time :o


As for the main question, I'm not to sure right about now. Maria still has a very long way to go clay-wise. This week only proved that to me more. If you have such a hard time beating mediocre players on green clay (which is nowhere near the same as red clay) than you can't really say she's going to be a top fav over RG. She's got Justine, Ana, Sveta, Jelena, venus and Serena and a bunch of other lower ranked claycourters to battke through to win the French. The only way I could see her winning it right now, would be if a bucnh of top-players were injured/didn't play/lose early (à la RG 2001/2005) and she'd come out as the best of the rest. I'm not saying she'll never win it, because I do think she could a couple of years from now because she seems very determined to accomplish as much as she can in her career. And that includes winning the French.



As for Justine winning Wimbledon, that really would depend on her form and draw. If she plays like she plays now, then I doubt she'll make it even to the fourth round. But she's in a slump and Wimbledon is still far away. The thing is with Justine, if she ants to win Wimbledon she'll need to be in her top-form, fit (which is very difficult since always seems emntally and physically drained after RG) and have a decent draw. If she draws the sisters and Maria before the final, than her chances are quite slim.

But I definitly consider Justine to be a better grasscourt-player than Maria is a claycourt-player. Justine's game is very suited to the grass, but she needs to be tiptop if she wants to actually have a chance there. As for Maria, her game still is too unnatural for the clay. But she does have time on her side, since Justine doesn't have that many years ahead of her left. Certainly not if she'll actually undergo a knee-surgery.

In the end, I think neither will win those respectyive tournaments this year. I hope I'm wrong cause I really want to see Justine win Wimbledon but it'll very hard. I wouldn't surprised if Justine won the French and Maria Wimbledon again actually. Altough I wouldn't mind a switch ;)

kadirelf
Apr 13th, 2008, 12:59 PM
serena win french
venus win wimbledon

Uranium
Apr 13th, 2008, 01:01 PM
serena win french
venus win wimbledon

no, Venus wins first French;)

Il Primo!
Apr 13th, 2008, 01:06 PM
Why are you guys writing maria off ever in spite of the fact she's 20 and only played 11 clay tournaments in her lifetime? Ever heard of "improvement"?
Justine is much better on grass than maria on clay but unfortunately for her she never beat anybody signifiant(former champ) in london so far but conchita. And sorry but she has no chance against the sis or pova on grass who all have the game and the head!
By comparison with RG contenders which are the serbs, juju and kuz who all have a better game than maria but not the heart and the head required but henin. It makes a huge difference.
In conclusion justine will never win in london and since maria is young and a monster of mental fortitude, she could someday.

Allez-H
Apr 13th, 2008, 01:14 PM
Why are you guys writing maria off ever in spite of the fact she's 20 and only played 11 clay tournaments in her lifetime? Ever heard of "improvement"?
Justine is much better on grass than maria on clay but unfortunately for her she never beat anybody signifiant(former champ) in london so far but conchita. And sorry but she has no chance against the sis or pova on grass who all have the game and the head!
By comparison with RG contenders which are the serbs, juju and kuz who all have a better game than maria but not the heart and the head required but henin. It makes a huge difference.
In conclusion justine will never win in london and since maria is young and a monster of mental fortitude, she could someday.

She beat Serena last year who is a former champ. I don't care what the circumstances were but atleast get the facts right when you claim something.

As for the rest of your post, everybody has their opinion on this matter and so do you. Doesn't mean any of us is right or wrong :shrug:

Uranium
Apr 13th, 2008, 01:30 PM
She beat Serena last year who is a former champ. I don't care what the circumstances were but atleast get the facts right when you claim something.

As for the rest of your post, everybody has their opinion on this matter and so do you. Doesn't mean any of us is right or wrong :shrug:

Serena had a strained calf and a hurt thumb and still almost beat Henin.
I say Henin winning Wimbledon will happen with the next few years, Maria might win French later in career

cn ireland
Apr 13th, 2008, 01:33 PM
As much as I'd like to say Sharapova winning the French I think it'll be Justine winning Wimbledon.

Il Primo!
Apr 13th, 2008, 01:40 PM
I did not count ju's win over serena on purpose and for obvious reasons, like i do for the australian 06 final. This kind of matches are irrelevant and bring nothing to the discussion. They're just meaningless results.

Uranus
Apr 13th, 2008, 01:51 PM
Justine winning Wimbledon.

I don't know if she ever will, though.

SOA_MC
Apr 13th, 2008, 02:08 PM
Lol at the people who are so sure Sharapova will win RG you remind me of the Pete Sampras and Roger Federer fans who were also so sure it was just a matter of time before they would win RG.

Conor
Apr 13th, 2008, 02:12 PM
Justine winning Wimbledon of course... 2 Wimbledon runner ups, a few grass tournament wins... what has Sharapova got to show for on clay?

InsideOut.
Apr 13th, 2008, 03:23 PM
RG '10 is Sharapova's.

I think her game actually has a lot of potential for clay. Now, if she would just learn to hit with more topspin and spend some time working on clay during off-season and between tournaments; she can win it. She has the mental fortitude. :)

That said, she still has a long way to go.

Until Justine gets her surgery she is not winning Wimbledon. Period.

beriadan
Apr 13th, 2008, 03:43 PM
Maria winning RG.

Cam'ron Giles
Apr 13th, 2008, 04:36 PM
I say Justine winning the french and Maria winning Wimbledon...you heard it here first...:D

Chunchun
Apr 13th, 2008, 05:13 PM
I just can't imagine BOTH of them, especially for the Maria case :o
For the Justine's one, a healthy Williambledons or Sharapova can beat her there. see if she's lucky to get some good draw. oh wait, I forgot 2007.

lizchris
Apr 13th, 2008, 05:17 PM
Justine winning Wimbledon. Maria has never gotten tot he FO final (Justine has been to two Wimbledon finals) and won't this year, especially if all of the top players show up (which I think they will).

morningglory
Apr 13th, 2008, 05:24 PM
I say Justine winning the french and Maria winning Wimbledon...you heard it here first...:D

they already did... so I dont understand the "heard it here first" part :o

Matt01
Apr 13th, 2008, 06:23 PM
Justine is much better on grass than maria on clay but unfortunately for her she never beat anybody signifiant(former champ) in london so far but conchita. And sorry but she has no chance against the sis or pova on grass who all have the game and the head!


Yes, we've all seen that Justine had absolutely no chance against Serena last year :lol:
Also very conveniant for you that you excluded Conchita and Mauresmo (Eastbourne)E9 from your list. And players like Seles, Clijsters and Capriati are of course all not significant players in your opinion.
Sad, sad, sad :tape::tape::tape:

oleada
Apr 13th, 2008, 06:38 PM
Justine winning Wimbledon. Sure, Maria made it to the Amelia Island Final but 1.) that's green clay and 2.) her play has not been exactly impressive, to say the least. Justine's game adapts well to grass, and she's made it to two Wimbledon finals.

DragonFlame
Apr 13th, 2008, 07:06 PM
Definetly justine winning wimbledon. I'm watching sharapova right now winning Amelia Island but her game on clay is nothing compared to justine's game on grass. I know she has time to improve but still, she's lacking a lot for a good claygame and her greatest strengths are less effective on clay. She's lacking movement, consistency and physical shape. She's making a lot more errors then she normally would, she's a lot slower and doesn't move well on clay(her sliding looks so so awkward) and she can't endure the long rally's. If matches get longer she will not be able to keep up.
Her strengths: Strong serve, penatrating groundstrokes and normally good consistency are not at all effective against good claycourters.
Justine is far and far more complete on grass and has proven that in the past. I expect her to be a factor at wimbledon while i don't expect sharapova to be a factor at the french.(unless she gets an easy draw or headcases like patty schnyder off course since she's 10 classes above those kind of players:tape::lol:)

starin
Apr 13th, 2008, 07:06 PM
Sharapova has Henin and a bunch of headcases and older more injured cows on ice.

Henin has all the top players and apparently bartoli :p


So Sharapova but for either to win really the draw just has to fall right. good draw plus players struggling w/ form = win for either at either slam.

Cam'ron Giles
Apr 13th, 2008, 08:01 PM
they already did... so I dont understand the "heard it here first" part :o

:weirdo:

LUVMIRZA
Apr 13th, 2008, 08:09 PM
Henin's on a slump. But we never know!!! And Maria winning the french - No way until all these clay courters retire!!!

Il Primo!
Apr 13th, 2008, 08:15 PM
Yes, we've all seen that Justine had absolutely no chance against Serena last year :lol:
Also very conveniant for you that you excluded Conchita and Mauresmo (Eastbourne)E9 from your list. And players like Seles, Clijsters and Capriati are of course all not significant players in your opinion.
Sad, sad, sad :tape::tape::tape:

Why are you guys writing maria off ever in spite of the fact she's 20 and only played 11 clay tournaments in her lifetime? Ever heard of "improvement"?
Justine is much better on grass than maria on clay but unfortunately for her she never beat anybody significant(former champ) in london so far but conchita. And sorry but she has no chance against the sis or pova on grass who all have the game and the head!
By comparison with RG contenders which are the serbs, juju and kuz who all have a better game than maria but not the heart and the head required but henin. It makes a huge difference.
In conclusion justine will never win in london and since maria is young and a monster of mental fortitude, she could someday.


:wavey:

...............



And please, notice I'm talking about Wimbledon, nt Eastbourne where the grass is just not the same at all.
And please, notice I'm talking about former Wimbledon champs and as far as I know, Kim/JenCap/Moni never won it and are kind of weak on grass.

Stop it already, you're embarassing yourself.

DragonFlame
Apr 13th, 2008, 08:32 PM
:wavey:
Stop it already, you're embarassing yourself.

He's emberassing himself?:help: Look at what you're saying. Henin made 2 finals and 2 semifinals at wimbledon. She beat serena, mauresmo,seles, clijsters, capriati and conchita on grass.(come on, making differences between wimbledon and eastbourne is stupid) How can you not awknowledge someone who has won against those players.:o She was a set away from victory at wimbledon!

Matt01
Apr 13th, 2008, 08:37 PM
How can you not awknowledge someone who has won against those players.:o


When you are :weirdo: you can ;)

Lunaris
Apr 13th, 2008, 08:47 PM
Henin is 26 already, Sharapova only 21. AD Sharapova
Henin's grasscourt skills >>>> Sharapova's claycourt skills. AD Henin

Pretty much even imo, as much as I hate to admit it. I certainly won't bet on this.

faboozadoo15
Apr 13th, 2008, 08:53 PM
Watching Maria's last 2 matches, she's been in control of nearly every rally, serving well, and hitting more winners than errors. That kind of player is tough to beat on any surface. People really underestimate her.