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usher3103
Apr 12th, 2008, 05:44 PM
before the match and the idea that tennis needs to be more business like in its approach. How would people feel if the player who lost in the round before, to the the player who withdrew, in this case would be Agnes Szavay, playing Sharapova in the semis. I am not promoting this idea am just wondering how people would react and make the fans feel more like they are getting there moneys worth. This would only work if a player withdrew before a match, not like they retired through the warm up or match. Only in response to walkovers.

Declan
Apr 12th, 2008, 05:50 PM
I've often thought this wouldn't be a bad idea, from the fans' point of view. But players often leave the site of a tournament once they've lost, so they probably wouldn't want to hang around for a day or two longer on the offchance that they might get a 'second chance'.

Jachal
Apr 12th, 2008, 05:51 PM
I would go with that!
In the YEC players also do lose matches and somehow manage to come through, so why not do it in other tournaments, 'coz the fans are really missing out on tennis and they don't get the money back.

The only question is - should they get the full amount of ranking points?

Lapin
Apr 12th, 2008, 05:51 PM
before the match and the idea that tennis needs to be more business like in its approach. How would people feel if the player who lost in the round before, to the the player who withdrew, in this case would be Agnes Szavay, playing Sharapova in the semis. I am not promoting this idea am just wondering how people would react and make the fans feel more like they are getting there moneys worth. This would only work if a player withdrew before a match, not like they retired through the warm up or match. Only in response to walkovers.
I think it would be a good idea but maybe they should adjust how many ranking points could be won if that player went on to win the next round, having already lost in the previous one! IMHO it would certainly be much better for the fans and the tournament to implement something like this.

toasino
Apr 12th, 2008, 05:53 PM
Good idea! Also, the winner of the other match would not be at a disadvantage because Maria had a day off.

kwilliams
Apr 12th, 2008, 05:55 PM
I think it would be a good idea but maybe they should adjust how many ranking points could be won if that player went on to win the next round, having already lost in the previous one! IMHO it would certainly be much better for the fans and the tournament to implement something like this.


I agree, I wouldn't be opposed to it as long as the ranking points earned and prize money awarded was altered. However I might change my mind if players I didn't like were given second chances!!! It would be better for the fans though, to get as much tennis as possible for their money.

exposbabe
Apr 12th, 2008, 06:38 PM
ESPN is sitting there saying: "You ask us why we don't spotlight women's tennis more often? Here's why, right here."

I just don't think in a men's match, it would have happened. The guy would have gone on court, even if he knew he'd get his butt kicked."

Mileen
Apr 12th, 2008, 07:08 PM
I would go with that!
In the YEC players also do lose matches and somehow manage to come through, so why not do it in other tournaments, 'coz the fans are really missing out on tennis and they don't get the money back.

The only question is - should they get the full amount of ranking points?

only if they win their next match, like with LL is the case. In this case, if Agnes would win the final, then yes, she gets the winner's points. If she loses the final, she only gets SF-points, cause she didn't reach the final on her own.
I think it's a pretty good idea to let them play the 'next' match! It's like being a LL in a later round. The same principal.

Mileen
Apr 12th, 2008, 07:14 PM
ESPN is sitting there saying: "You ask us why we don't spotlight women's tennis more often? Here's why, right here."

I just don't think in a men's match, it would have happened. The guy would have gone on court, even if he knew he'd get his butt kicked."

But Lindsay felt dizzy, feeling dizzy you can't go on court.
ESPN might think that way, but they're wrong, the other SF should be interesting. I think it's a shame they aren't showing the match.
Remember more than a year back or so, Lindsay was having dizziness problems too, she fell on her head, didn't she, out of her bed? Some Lindsay fan knows how that ended? We never heard from it again.
Lindsay, :hug:, get well soon.

Dave.
Apr 12th, 2008, 07:20 PM
It sounds good but it wouldn't work. It would be unfair on Sharapova. It's not her fault Lindsay is ill, and she would have prepared to play Lindsay, not Agnes. Sharapova shouldn't be made to play the SF if her opponent cannot. But I do think she should spend more time with the fans doing autographs etc. because she doesn't have to play a match.

Hakapeszi
Apr 12th, 2008, 07:25 PM
I think it would be a good idea but maybe they should adjust how many ranking points could be won if that player went on to win the next round, having already lost in the previous one!

I think, it can be simple, the LL does not get points&money for the lost match/round.

Hakapeszi
Apr 12th, 2008, 07:35 PM
I've often thought this wouldn't be a bad idea, from the fans' point of view. But players often leave the site of a tournament once they've lost, so they probably wouldn't want to hang around for a day or two longer on the offchance that they might get a 'second chance'.

I guess, if will be a new LL rule, then players will have spare time to stay one more day more frequently. ;)

Hakapeszi
Apr 12th, 2008, 07:44 PM
ESPN is sitting there saying: "You ask us why we don't spotlight women's tennis more often? Here's why, right here."


Motto: The show must go on

roxi
Apr 12th, 2008, 11:04 PM
Linds you've beaten K-lina and Agnes on clay u surely could have beaten Maria!!!!! I'm so sad!!!!!!!

spiritedenergy
Apr 12th, 2008, 11:08 PM
ESPN is sitting there saying: "You ask us why we don't spotlight women's tennis more often? Here's why, right here."

I just don't think in a men's match, it would have happened. The guy would have gone on court, even if he knew he'd get his butt kicked."

:worship:

She's really badrepping the whole WTA with her stupid moons. I'm very much dissappointed by her unprofessional behavior.

Wannabeknowitall
Apr 12th, 2008, 11:09 PM
ESPN is sitting there saying: "You ask us why we don't spotlight women's tennis more often? Here's why, right here."

I just don't think in a men's match, it would have happened. The guy would have gone on court, even if he knew he'd get his butt kicked."

You're such an elitist it's sickening.
Yeah because the men are so strong. :rolleyes:

If I recall correctly, I believe that Sharapova and Pin were the only ones playing in 110 degree weather at the Australian Open in 2007.

What happened to the men?
Well Tipsarevic couldn't deal and Nalbandian who was at least 25 pounds overweight was probably 15 minutes from retiring himself and yet Sharapova and Pin were out there for another hour after their match ended.

And they both played 3 sets and the women lasted longer.

The two hottest matches ever played at the Australian Open were played by women.
Did you get that?
Women.
Let me say it one more time so you get it. Women.

perseus2006
Apr 13th, 2008, 12:07 AM
I don't think this situation comes up often enough to create a new system for it. It seems to me, overall impression, that the women usually retire during matches, the men are more likely to withdraw before a match starts.

Are stats even kept on these things?

Pasta-Na
Apr 13th, 2008, 02:19 AM
jagger :o

Harvs
Apr 13th, 2008, 02:22 AM
that would be terrible... but if they could put together an EXHIBITION match that would b good

Tennisstar86
Apr 13th, 2008, 02:24 AM
:worship:

She's really badrepping the whole WTA with her stupid moons. I'm very much dissappointed by her unprofessional behavior.

have you ever tried to play a tennis match dizzy? I have and let me tell you it wasnt pretty... I served out a game (I dont even know how the guy hit 4 unforced errors i think) went and sat down stood up, by the time i turned around to recieve serve, couldnt see shit. His serve almost hit me as i swung and missed and fell on the ground. Of course i retired after that and looking back im sure it must have been funny to watch...

but no she shouldnt have played the match if she felt dizzy...

You must still be better that she took Ana to school a couple weeks ago...:wavey:

Tennisstar86
Apr 13th, 2008, 02:26 AM
ESPN is sitting there saying: "You ask us why we don't spotlight women's tennis more often? Here's why, right here."

I just don't think in a men's match, it would have happened. The guy would have gone on court, even if he knew he'd get his butt kicked."

didnt federer just get a walk over a couple weeks ago.... please research before you speak...

ATP Masters Series Indian Wells, CA, U.S.A.
ATP Masters Series, 13-Mar-08, O, Hard , Draw: 96


R128 Bye
R64 Garcia-Lopez, Guillermo (ESP) 62 6-3 6-2 Stats
R32 Mahut, Nicolas (FRA) 44 6-1 6-1 Stats
R16 Ljubicic, Ivan (CRO) 23 6-3 6-4 Stats
Q Haas, Tommy (GER) 36 W/O
S Fish, Mardy (USA) 98 3-6 2-6 Stats


This Event Points: 225, ATP Ranking: 1, Prize Money: $138,750

plantman
Apr 13th, 2008, 03:30 AM
You're such an elitist it's sickening.
Yeah because the men are so strong. :rolleyes:

If I recall correctly, I believe that Sharapova and Pin were the only ones playing in 110 degree weather at the Australian Open in 2007.

What happened to the men?
Well Tipsarevic couldn't deal and Nalbandian who was at least 25 pounds overweight was probably 15 minutes from retiring himself and yet Sharapova and Pin were out there for another hour after their match ended.

And they both played 3 sets and the women lasted longer.

The two hottest matches ever played at the Australian Open were played by women.
Did you get that?
Women.
Let me say it one more time so you get it. Women.

:yeah:

NeeemZ
Apr 13th, 2008, 04:13 AM
You're such an elitist it's sickening.
Yeah because the men are so strong. :rolleyes:

If I recall correctly, I believe that Sharapova and Pin were the only ones playing in 110 degree weather at the Australian Open in 2007.

What happened to the men?
Well Tipsarevic couldn't deal and Nalbandian who was at least 25 pounds overweight was probably 15 minutes from retiring himself and yet Sharapova and Pin were out there for another hour after their match ended.
And they both played 3 sets and the women lasted longer.

The two hottest matches ever played at the Australian Open were played by women.
Did you get that?
Women.
Let me say it one more time so you get it. Women.

Not true. Both matches started at the same time, because they were the first matches on for the day but:

Sharapova def. Pin 6/3 4/6 9/7 in 2hrs 51mins.

Nalbandian def. Tipsarevic 6/7 4/6 7/6 6/0 2/1 ret. in 3hrs 20mins.

Clearly, Nalbandian and Tipsarevic played for almost 30 minutes longer, nothing like the 'another hour' that you say.

I do agree with you that the women at least finished their match.

Jakeev
Apr 13th, 2008, 08:27 AM
ESPN is sitting there saying: "You ask us why we don't spotlight women's tennis more often? Here's why, right here."

I just don't think in a men's match, it would have happened. The guy would have gone on court, even if he knew he'd get his butt kicked."

Absolute bullshit.

There were two very exciting, up and coming players that could have easily been spotlighted Saturday afternoon and it didn't happen.

Yeah Sharapova and Davenport would have been a great match (or not) for the fans but if people want to see women's tennis more advertised than damn it show us the Cibulkovas and Cornets.

DA FOREHAND
Apr 13th, 2008, 04:38 PM
Absolute bullshit.

There were two very exciting, up and coming players that could have easily been spotlighted Saturday afternoon and it didn't happen.

Yeah Sharapova and Davenport would have been a great match (or not) for the fans but if people want to see women's tennis more advertised than damn it show us the Cibulkovas and Cornets.

The only way the other semi would have been broadcast is if Venus or Serena Williams, or Jennifer Capriati.

terjw
Apr 13th, 2008, 05:31 PM
It sounds good but it wouldn't work. It would be unfair on Sharapova. It's not her fault Lindsay is ill, and she would have prepared to play Lindsay, not Agnes. Sharapova shouldn't be made to play the SF if her opponent cannot. But I do think she should spend more time with the fans doing autographs etc. because she doesn't have to play a match.

I really don't see why it shouldn't work at all. The WTA should give this suggestion a try. I don't see how there are any losers in this scheme at all and I don't see how it's unfair on Sharapova at all. If there was this rule in place - she (Maria) would know about it. And therefore she would be prepared that in the unlikely event that something happened to Lindsay and she could not play - she would have to play Agnes instead. So instead of getting a very lucky and undeserved break that she just gets into the final without having to play at all (something she would certainly not be expecting) - she would need to play a match and win it to make the finals. How on earth is that unfair to Maria? In fact - giving her a bye and the day off is distinctly unfair to the other semi-finalists.

Jakeev
Apr 13th, 2008, 07:27 PM
The only way the other semi would have been broadcast is if Venus or Serena Williams, or Jennifer Capriati.

And that's a problem with the women's tennis in general.

DA FOREHAND
Apr 14th, 2008, 03:54 PM
And that's a problem with the women's tennis in general.

but it doesn't have to be. ESPN, or whoever broadcast the matches could be given sum credit for "discovering" new talent, by giving them air time, as it stands they are basically saying oh well it's not Maria, Venus or Serena, so you don't want to see this do you?


YES we do!

Here in the states we get the same treatment at the Grand Slams, they will show Roddick -v a qualifier over, a compelling match featuring lesser known players.