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whyme225
Apr 9th, 2008, 05:27 PM
The Williams soap opera
On-again, off-again stars may be most compelling tale




I don't claim to have watched every match Serena Williams has played, or read every article about them, but it seems to me that if Mary Carillo and almost every other tennis announcer/journalist says that Serena only loses when she plays badly, why is it soooo awful when Serena says it?

Against Jelena Jankovic [in the Sony Ericsson Open final], it was obvious that Jelena had nothing to do with the outcome of that match. Your thoughts?
-- P-Sqaured, NYC

Truthfully, I was thinking the same thing the entire tournament. And I came away with a new perspective re: Serena's sour reaction to defeat. I don't want to give Serena a total pass on her sore losing. (It's beneath her to attribute losing to an opponent's "lucky shots" or "playing at 40 percent.") But put yourself in her shoes.

She has the capability to blow away the world's top-ranked player 6-2, 6-0, as she did in the quarterfinals. She has the capacity to blow through a tournament, as she did last year in Australia and last week in Miami. She has the ability to render her opponents essentially meaningless. How immensely frustrating must it be to lose? When all cylinders are firing, she's virtually unbeatable. One can see how it must drive her nuts when that doesn't happen.

Larger point: I've said this before, but I don't see how you can follow the sport and not be awed by the whole Williams narrative. You couldn't craft a richer story than this: humble beginnings, great triumphs, outsider status, insider status, family tragedy, divorce, race, money, grace, disgrace, education, sports.

The plot wavers all the time. "Venus is cooked! No, wait: She's Wimbledon champ!" "Serena is bored! No, wait: She's trim and buff and toasting Justine Henin!" "Serena rules! No, she's pulling out of an event and taping a reality show." "Venus is looking fairly strong! No wait: She's taking an unexpected leave!" Really, it's just remarkable. And I'm not sure the Republic of Tennis realizes how lucky we are to have them around.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_wertheim/04/09/mailbag/index.html?

DA FOREHAND
Apr 9th, 2008, 05:31 PM
Keeping it real

kwilliams
Apr 9th, 2008, 05:46 PM
Well some of us realise how lucky we ALL are to have them around. I agree that the scoreline in the final of Miami was determined by Serena's level of plays, some ups and some downs resulted in a 6-3, 5-7, 6-3 scoreline. JJ pretty much seemed to have roughly the same level the whole match long.

It must be tough for Serena to know that she is the best but to not always perform the best and I think she's used to suffering tough losses when her form is low but I think some of her losses last year were difficult because they were due to only slightly diminshed form coupled with lack of recent play and/or mild injuries.

Destiny
Apr 9th, 2008, 05:53 PM
Yeah Williams

Bringing some spice into The women tennis world :woohoo:

RenaSlam.
Apr 9th, 2008, 06:07 PM
Wow.

I've never seen such a fair, unbiased assessment of the sisters from Wertheim.

SAEKeithSerena
Apr 9th, 2008, 06:08 PM
some KIND words from jon, finally :) thank you sir!

Slutiana
Apr 9th, 2008, 06:39 PM
So he's not that worthless after all?!

ptkten
Apr 9th, 2008, 06:45 PM
Wertheim's always very fair with the Williams Sisters and with most players. I don't understand the hatred towards him.

MrSerenaWilliams
Apr 9th, 2008, 06:45 PM
:shrug: it's true :shrug:

Thkmra
Apr 9th, 2008, 07:12 PM
:worship::worship: Finally, an unbiased, voice of reason on the subject!!

Nemo_Kool
Apr 9th, 2008, 07:16 PM
took him soo long to realise that Serena=The best! lol

Dodoboy.
Apr 9th, 2008, 07:17 PM
He says he's not doesn't follow the sport religiously but he seems pretty up to date :scratch:

Accurate analysis :bigclap:

Radix2
Apr 9th, 2008, 07:55 PM
Spot on. True analysis

sweetpeas
Apr 9th, 2008, 08:08 PM
Well well well.ANother one bites the dust!:wavey::bounce:WELCOME,YOU GOT MAIL!:lol::lol:

RVD
Apr 9th, 2008, 08:12 PM
My first thought when I saw Jon Wertheim's and Serena's name in the same title was, "Ahhh maaan... what's today's insult gonna be...; and right after her Miami win too?"

But then :eek: of :eek: he actually complimented Serena AND the entire Williams clan?!?!?!?!?!
*cardiac arrest*

Good God! First, the possibility of a Black President and now Jon Wertheim does the impossible and actually compliments the Williamses without dropping narry a hint of sarcasm.

I’d better play SuperLotto with the quickness! :lol:

Olórin
Apr 9th, 2008, 08:12 PM
Well well well.ANother one bites the dust!:wavey::bounce:WELCOME,YOU GOT MAIL!:lol::lol:

:haha:

Vlover
Apr 9th, 2008, 08:33 PM
[QUOTE=whyme225;12907294]The Williams soap opera
On-again, off-again stars may be most compelling tale

And I'm not sure the Republic of Tennis realizes how lucky we are to have them around.

Sadly they won't fully realize this until the Sisters retire. There is presently no one on tour that commands such level of interest and excitement. I just hope they can give us another 4-5 years.

starin
Apr 9th, 2008, 08:40 PM
The WS always bring the drama and the excitement. :drool::drool:
That and the fact their story is so compelling...two inner city black sisters in what is predominantly a "white" sport come to play in 4 consecutive slam finals. And both end up being no.1. And they came to tennis out of nowhere...no family history or connection to the sport. No on in their family even played. Amazing!!! :worship: People won't fully appreciate how amazing their story is until their gone.

Kunal
Apr 9th, 2008, 08:44 PM
a refreshing piece on the sisters!

danieln1
Apr 9th, 2008, 08:45 PM
I agree with Serena, since she beat Henin, no way she would lose that final, she just got nervous, but thankfully she regrouped, maybe she did that to give to the crowd some entertainment, since she was going to win 6-1 6-2!

mykarma
Apr 9th, 2008, 08:47 PM
My first thought when I saw Jon Wertheim's and Serena's name in the same title was, "Ahhh maaan... what's today's insult gonna be...; and right after her Miami win too?"

But then :eek: of :eek: he actually complimented Serena AND the entire Williams clan?!?!?!?!?!
*cardiac arrest*

Good God! First, the possibility of a Black President and now Jon Wertheim does the impossible and actually compliments the Williamses without dropping narry a hint of sarcasm.

I’d better play SuperLotto with the quickness! :lol:
:worship::worship::worship:

RVD
Apr 9th, 2008, 08:55 PM
:worship::worship::worship:http://deephousepage.com/smilies/alc.gif

BuTtErFrEnA
Apr 9th, 2008, 09:04 PM
Wow.

I've never seen such a fair, unbiased assessment of the sisters from Wertheim.

i know...it's like he's gone mad :lol:

moon
Apr 9th, 2008, 10:06 PM
The Williams soap opera
On-again, off-again stars may be most compelling tale




I don't claim to have watched every match Serena Williams has played, or read every article about them, but it seems to me that if Mary Carillo and almost every other tennis announcer/journalist says that Serena only loses when she plays badly, why is it soooo awful when Serena says it?

Against Jelena Jankovic [in the Sony Ericsson Open final], it was obvious that Jelena had nothing to do with the outcome of that match. Your thoughts?
-- P-Sqaured, NYC

Truthfully, I was thinking the same thing the entire tournament. And I came away with a new perspective re: Serena's sour reaction to defeat. I don't want to give Serena a total pass on her sore losing. (It's beneath her to attribute losing to an opponent's "lucky shots" or "playing at 40 percent.") But put yourself in her shoes.

She has the capability to blow away the world's top-ranked player 6-2, 6-0, as she did in the quarterfinals. She has the capacity to blow through a tournament, as she did last year in Australia and last week in Miami. She has the ability to render her opponents essentially meaningless. How immensely frustrating must it be to lose? When all cylinders are firing, she's virtually unbeatable. One can see how it must drive her nuts when that doesn't happen.

Larger point: I've said this before, but I don't see how you can follow the sport and not be awed by the whole Williams narrative. You couldn't craft a richer story than this: humble beginnings, great triumphs, outsider status, insider status, family tragedy, divorce, race, money, grace, disgrace, education, sports.

The plot wavers all the time. "Venus is cooked! No, wait: She's Wimbledon champ!" "Serena is bored! No, wait: She's trim and buff and toasting Justine Henin!" "Serena rules! No, she's pulling out of an event and taping a reality show." "Venus is looking fairly strong! No wait: She's taking an unexpected leave!" Really, it's just remarkable. And I'm not sure the Republic of Tennis realizes how lucky we are to have them around.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_wertheim/04/09/mailbag/index.html?
they don't realize it.
but luckily most of their fans do. I'm just happy whenever they play these days. :drool:

Denise4925
Apr 9th, 2008, 10:10 PM
My first thought when I saw Jon Wertheim's and Serena's name in the same title was, "Ahhh maaan... what's today's insult gonna be...; and right after her Miami win too?"

But then :eek: of :eek: he actually complimented Serena AND the entire Williams clan?!?!?!?!?!
*cardiac arrest*

Good God! First, the possibility of a Black President and now Jon Wertheim does the impossible and actually compliments the Williamses without dropping narry a hint of sarcasm.

I’d better play SuperLotto with the quickness! :lol:

:lol:

Dodoboy.
Apr 9th, 2008, 10:46 PM
I just hope they keep on going!

:crazy:

frontier
Apr 9th, 2008, 11:22 PM
As a Venus and Serena fan I will support them through pain and joy.I am a faithful fan and nothing will change my mind about them,they are the players that made me follow tennis avidly...especially when Venus won Wimbledon for the first time I was captivated by the way she jumped for joy ,I had never seen anyone display so much joy in winning Wimbledon at that moment I became a fan.

Hardiansf
Apr 10th, 2008, 12:41 AM
Vee and Rena, the legends. Simply true.

vettipooh
Apr 10th, 2008, 12:50 AM
i know...it's like he's gone mad :lol:


:lol:
Someone needs to call 911 quick! Jon's fever has escalated! He's delirious!:lol: All jokes aside, truer words were never spoken!!:worship:

austennis
Apr 10th, 2008, 01:03 AM
he seems to be right.. but i kind of think if we want to call Serena the best then she needs to always be the best

mykarma
Apr 10th, 2008, 01:13 AM
http://deephousepage.com/smilies/alc.gif
Where did you get that smiley?

stevos
Apr 10th, 2008, 02:58 AM
Well well well.ANother one bites the dust!:wavey::bounce:WELCOME,YOU GOT MAIL!:lol::lol:

:sobbing:

Damn straight, gurl! YOU GOT MAIL!

VenusSerenaBlvd.
Apr 10th, 2008, 03:02 AM
This is exactly why Women's Tennis is more exciting for me. I am a huge fan of both Venus and Serena.

No Name Face
Apr 10th, 2008, 03:08 AM
Serena getting some good press :woohoo:

Volcana
Apr 10th, 2008, 03:20 AM
Wow.

I've never seen such a fair, unbiased assessment of the sisters from Wertheim.Since I know he actually reads this forum, I gotta put in a good word for Wertheim. He's always been less biased than most of the tennis press, he knowledgable, and when you email him, there's a very good chance of getting a respectful answer, even if he doesn't agree with you.


I know he's not well-liked on this board, but I gotta give the guy props. He's not a jerk, and in the time I've been reading him, which goes back about a decade, he never HAS been a jerk.

Dunlop1
Apr 10th, 2008, 04:01 AM
I don't claim to have watched every match Serena Williams has played, or read every article about them, but it seems to me that if Mary Carillo and almost every other tennis announcer/journalist says that Serena only loses when she plays badly, why is it soooo awful when Serena says it?

Obviously if you are playing badly you're going to lose provided your opponent is playing better.

The reason it's bad when Serena says it, is because it is disrespectful to the other player and makes it seem like the other player had nothing to do with their win.
You can play badly and still win (and Serena has certainly had such wins), so for you to lose when playing badly it means that your opponent did something to gain that win and not acknowledging that is not only disrespectful but it can be arrogant.

Also there are matches Serena has played well and still lost, so I would say she isn't always the sole arbiter of the outcome of her matches.

And yes, the Williams sisters certainly add a certain quality to the women's tour that will be missed when they are gone.

atptour03
Apr 10th, 2008, 04:36 AM
The amount of pain that we, Williams fans, have to endure is so much. We constantly have to let tennis people know just how lucky we are that they choose tennis. The tennis world higher ups have taken so long to understand just how important and significant they are. Williams sisters fans have been fitting tooth and nail; literally. When they leave the game, hopefully not for a while though, tennis will not be the same. Fans of Venus and Serena genuinely love them. We die, live, cheer, and cry with each point and match. I have never cared more about an athlete than these two have made me care about. If Venus wins Wimbledon 2008, I know I'm going to cry. LOL!!!

DOUBLEFIST
Apr 10th, 2008, 07:23 AM
Since I know he actually reads this forum, I gotta put in a good word for Wertheim. He's always been less biased than most of the tennis press, he knowledgable, and when you email him, there's a very good chance of getting a respectful answer, even if he doesn't agree with you.


I know he's not well-liked on this board, but I gotta give the guy props. He's not a jerk, and in the time I've been reading him, which goes back about a decade, he never HAS been a jerk.

Agreed.

And :lol: at dunlop! :haha: I guess it really got him/her to hear a respected (at least in some circles) commentator finally acknowledge what we Serena fans have been saying all along.

Denise4925
Apr 10th, 2008, 09:39 PM
Since I know he actually reads this forum, I gotta put in a good word for Wertheim. He's always been less biased than most of the tennis press, he knowledgable, and when you email him, there's a very good chance of getting a respectful answer, even if he doesn't agree with you.


I know he's not well-liked on this board, but I gotta give the guy props. He's not a jerk, and in the time I've been reading him, which goes back about a decade, he never HAS been a jerk.

Yeah, he's always responded to me in a respectful way when I've sent him a question or made a comment.

SV_Fan
Apr 10th, 2008, 10:30 PM
His book "Venus Envy" was soooooooo good. HE should write more book surrounding the WTA.

Denise4925
Apr 10th, 2008, 11:51 PM
Agreed.

And :lol: at dunlop! :haha: I guess it really got him/her to hear a respected (at least in some circles) commentator finally acknowledge what we Serena fans have been saying all along.

:lol: Damn DF, I wanted everyone to ignore dunlop and his same old bullshit rhetoric that Wertheim just invalidated. :lol:

friendsita
Apr 11th, 2008, 12:48 AM
Serena & Venus make tennis great!

rjd1111
Apr 11th, 2008, 11:40 PM
Obviously if you are playing badly you're going to lose provided your opponent is playing better.

The reason it's bad when Serena says it, is because it is disrespectful to the other player and makes it seem like the other player had nothing to do with their win.
You can play badly and still win (and Serena has certainly had such wins), so for you to lose when playing badly it means that your opponent did something to gain that win and not acknowledging that is not only disrespectful but it can be arrogant.

Also there are matches Serena has played well and still lost, so I would say she isn't always the sole arbiter of the outcome of her matches.

And yes, the Williams sisters certainly add a certain quality to the women's tour that will be missed when they are gone.


I can't recall a match where Serena played her best and lost.

MrSerenaWilliams
May 6th, 2008, 08:44 AM
:shrug: To be honest and fair to Hingis, she played pretty well during the AO QF in '01, but she RARELY loses while playing decent tennis, much less anything close to her best.

gmokb
May 6th, 2008, 12:26 PM
I can't recall a match where Serena played her best and lost.

Couldn't think of one either.

DA FOREHAND
May 6th, 2008, 05:42 PM
Martina Hingis did take an in form Serena out at the 01 AO

I can'think of any other match where she had a consistantly high level and lost.

TSequoia01
May 6th, 2008, 07:24 PM
[quote=DA FOREHAND;13086929]Martina Hingis did take an in form Serena out at the 01 AO

No Hingis could never take out an inform Serena. Serena would puverize Hingis and then enter the twilight zone, much liker her match with Jankovic and give the match away. Once Serena stopped that, she would simply hit Hingis off the court. Not to be disrespectful to Hingis she would hang in and wait for the moment. But she had to have a moment. The one person who imo could take Serena out was Capriati. Jen just played a game that gave Rena fits.