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whyme225
Apr 9th, 2008, 01:13 PM
Williams sisters' never-ending Indian Wells saga
By Matthew Cronin, ********************

REHASHING THE WILLIAMS SISTERS IW CONTROVERSY: The tennis message boards continue to rage with discussion about whether Serena and Venus Williams should play '09 Indian Wells, and if they don't, what type of suspension they should face? There are four critical points that are being overlooked:

1: According to Sony Ericsson WTA CEO Larry Scott, the use of "emotional distress" as an excuse for not playing (which ******************** unearthed in January) was declared invalid at a WTA board meeting in March.

2. Sources say that is unlikely that either Venus or Serena will face a significant suspension (although they could face major fines), especially one that will result in them being booted from Miami. The tour is floating the idea around that if a player shows up at the tournament that she's skipping and does media, corporate and fans appearances (like Maria Sharapova did at '08 Miami) that might be enough to keep her out of hot water. They might also be able to put in major promotional appearances elsewhere. But … how does that satisfy a tournament that is being forced to put significantly more prize money to be called a "mandated" event and can't sell tickets off the stars who are boycotting it?

3. Scott is unlikely to butt heads with Venus, a player whom he is close to and who has consistently stepped up to the plate for the tour on major political issues.

4. With all the hand-wringing on both sides of the IW Williams boycott issue, one extremely important development has never occurred that might entice the sisters to return: a massive letter writing campaign from Indian Wells fans imploring the sisters to return.

jfaithfully
Apr 9th, 2008, 01:28 PM
though i believe they should forgive and forget, and play this tournement they were made to feel like they did something wrong, The media has tried to make it out that the sister are in consistant comptetion and never understand just how hard it may be to face each and be so close of court and it has no doubt tested there relationship, as a result they feel justified to skip a tournement

Slutiana
Apr 9th, 2008, 01:31 PM
Williams sisters' never-ending Indian Wells saga
By Matthew Cronin, ********************

REHASHING THE WILLIAMS SISTERS IW CONTROVERSY: The tennis message boards continue to rage with discussion about whether Serena and Venus Williams should play '09 Indian Wells, and if they don't, what type of suspension they should face? There are four critical points that are being overlooked:

1: According to Sony Ericsson WTA CEO Larry Scott, the use of "emotional distress" as an excuse for not playing (which ******************** unearthed in January) was declared invalid at a WTA board meeting in March.

2. Sources say that is unlikely that either Venus or Serena will face a significant suspension (although they could face major fines), especially one that will result in them being booted from Miami. The tour is floating the idea around that if a player shows up at the tournament that she's skipping and does media, corporate and fans appearances (like Maria Sharapova did at '08 Miami) that might be enough to keep her out of hot water. They might also be able to put in major promotional appearances elsewhere. But … how does that satisfy a tournament that is being forced to put significantly more prize money to be called a "mandated" event and can't sell tickets off the stars who are boycotting it?

3. Scott is unlikely to butt heads with Venus, a player whom he is close to and who has consistently stepped up to the plate for the tour on major political issues.

4. With all the hand-wringing on both sides of the IW Williams boycott issue, one extremely important development has never occurred that might entice the sisters to return: a massive letter writing campaign from Indian Wells fans imploring the sisters to return.
He is so talking about WTAWorld. :lol:

Kworb
Apr 9th, 2008, 01:51 PM
A letter writing campaign? :haha: They are not coming back to IW, no amount of apologies or support letters will change that. :shrug: Anyone know if Venus or someone in the Williams camp apologized when they cancelled their match minutes before it was supposed to start?

Dave.
Apr 9th, 2008, 02:04 PM
He is so talking about WTAWorld. :lol:

Haha, true. :lol:

Jasmin
Apr 9th, 2008, 02:07 PM
Who cares what they say. People just don't get what it's like to deal with booing, possible racist comments, etc if they have never had to be made to feel that way over such a long period of time. The sisters are not going back to that place. Why is it so important to them. They should have let it go. If the sisters don't want to play there anymore then let it be.

whyme225
Apr 9th, 2008, 02:26 PM
Who cares what they say. People just don't get what that's like if they never had to be made to feel that way over such a long period. The sisters are not going back to that place. Why is it so important to them. They should have let it go if the sisters didn't want to play there anymore then let it be.


They are not letting it go because V&S are the ones who put butts in the seats and bring in top $ for the WTA....No one else does that and I mean no one. Wait, if you add Lindsay and and the sisters it's even more $. Ana, JJ, Kuzy, or maria can't do it that is why they are so hell bent on getting them back there. I would not be surprise if V&S would not let their ranking drop out of the top ten just not to be back there.

kwilliams
Apr 9th, 2008, 03:08 PM
Williams sisters' never-ending Indian Wells saga
By Matthew Cronin, ********************

REHASHING THE WILLIAMS SISTERS IW CONTROVERSY: The tennis message boards continue to rage with discussion about whether Serena and Venus Williams should play '09 Indian Wells, and if they don't, what type of suspension they should face? There are four critical points that are being overlooked:

1: According to Sony Ericsson WTA CEO Larry Scott, the use of "emotional distress" as an excuse for not playing (which ******************** unearthed in January) was declared invalid at a WTA board meeting in March.

2. Sources say that is unlikely that either Venus or Serena will face a significant suspension (although they could face major fines), especially one that will result in them being booted from Miami. The tour is floating the idea around that if a player shows up at the tournament that she's skipping and does media, corporate and fans appearances (like Maria Sharapova did at '08 Miami) that might be enough to keep her out of hot water. They might also be able to put in major promotional appearances elsewhere. But … how does that satisfy a tournament that is being forced to put significantly more prize money to be called a "mandated" event and can't sell tickets off the stars who are boycotting it?

3. Scott is unlikely to butt heads with Venus, a player whom he is close to and who has consistently stepped up to the plate for the tour on major political issues.

4. With all the hand-wringing on both sides of the IW Williams boycott issue, one extremely important development has never occurred that might entice the sisters to return: a massive letter writing campaign from Indian Wells fans imploring the sisters to return.

Maybe IW should have thought of their profit margins before they allowed Serena and Venus to be barracked for a few hours.

Instead of a letter writing campaign to the sisters, how about one for the sisters? We could write to the WTA to demand they be exempted from the rule in this instance. How about we support the RIGHTS of individuals over the WISHES of big businesses.

Bottom line - The sisters are not going to budge. The tour cannot get what they want so instead of a lose-lose situation they should create a win-win situation.

DA FOREHAND
Apr 9th, 2008, 03:14 PM
kworb ...you are a hoot, it must be really liberating not to wear those sheets anymore ey?

homogenius
Apr 9th, 2008, 03:30 PM
Williams sisters' never-ending Indian Wells saga
By Matthew Cronin, ********************

REHASHING THE WILLIAMS SISTERS IW CONTROVERSY: The tennis message boards continue to rage with discussion about whether Serena and Venus Williams should play '09 Indian Wells, and if they don't, what type of suspension they should face? There are four critical points that are being overlooked:

1: According to Sony Ericsson WTA CEO Larry Scott, the use of "emotional distress" as an excuse for not playing (which ******************** unearthed in January) was declared invalid at a WTA board meeting in March.

2. Sources say that is unlikely that either Venus or Serena will face a significant suspension (although they could face major fines), especially one that will result in them being booted from Miami. The tour is floating the idea around that if a player shows up at the tournament that she's skipping and does media, corporate and fans appearances (like Maria Sharapova did at '08 Miami) that might be enough to keep her out of hot water. They might also be able to put in major promotional appearances elsewhere. But … how does that satisfy a tournament that is being forced to put significantly more prize money to be called a "mandated" event and can't sell tickets off the stars who are boycotting it?

3. Scott is unlikely to butt heads with Venus, a player whom he is close to and who has consistently stepped up to the plate for the tour on major political issues.

4. With all the hand-wringing on both sides of the IW Williams boycott issue, one extremely important development has never occurred that might entice the sisters to return: a massive letter writing campaign from Indian Wells fans imploring the sisters to return.

Nothing new.The guy has just read some threads here and on other message boards to write this.How about working a little more Matt ?

kiwifan
Apr 9th, 2008, 03:40 PM
another Indian Wells thread...

...its not a "never ending saga"...

...its been over since they said, 'good bye and they weren't coming back'...

...issue over, now if people would just move on with their lives like The Sisters have. ;)

BuTtErFrEnA
Apr 9th, 2008, 03:51 PM
He is so talking about WTAWorld. :lol:

damn straight...:lol:

MrSerenaWilliams
Apr 9th, 2008, 04:52 PM
another Indian Wells thread...

...its not a "never ending saga"...

...its been over since they said, 'good bye and they weren't coming back'...

...issue over, now if people would just move on with their lives like The Sisters have. ;)

game.set.match.


NEXT....

Jasmin
Apr 9th, 2008, 05:14 PM
Yeah I know the sisters put people in the seats but the saga is only continues because of Indian Wells. It's too bad so leave the sisters alone. Now you want to make something mandatory because people don't have to or want to go to your tournament. Slams are not even mandatory so why make this mandatory. It's all hilarious.:lol:

DOUBLEFIST
Apr 9th, 2008, 05:17 PM
...one extremely important development has never occurred that might entice the sisters to return: a massive letter writing campaign from Indian Wells fans imploring the sisters to return.

Don't hold your breath.

mdterp01
Apr 9th, 2008, 05:34 PM
How the hell is it the Williams sister's neverending saga? They said they wouldn't play it...end of story!! Its the media and observers who continue to bring it up year after year. Its final when one says I'm not going back there and doesn't bring it up unless its brought to them. So its the media's never ending Indian Wells saga.

Volcana
Apr 9th, 2008, 05:40 PM
Bottom line - The sisters are not going to budge.People change their minds about more important things than this. Margaret Cho was a lesbian. Until she wound up married to a man and having a child. Ariana Huffington was conservative Republican. Until she became a liberal Democratic.


People can change their minds.

clementine
Apr 9th, 2008, 06:05 PM
Who cares if the WS never play IW again? IW enjoyed another year of record attendance without their help.

The Pacific Life Open increased attendance by an average of 1,000 fans per session in setting new records this year.......331,268 fans attended the 2008 Pacific Life Open beating the record of 303,000 set last year. The Fifth Grand Slam continues to thrive and grow.......

DA FOREHAND
Apr 9th, 2008, 06:28 PM
Who cares if the WS never play IW again? IW enjoyed another year of record attendance without their help.

The Pacific Life Open increased attendance by an average of 1,000 fans per session in setting new records this year.......331,268 fans attended the 2008 Pacific Life Open beating the record of 303,000 set last year. The Fifth Grand Slam continues to thrive and grow.......

apparently thousands of their detractors, and hardly any of their fans.

DA FOREHAND
Apr 9th, 2008, 06:40 PM
Why is Miami being called the fifth major? Shouldn't the Masters Cup be considered the fifth-most important tournament? Why not Indian Wells, which also has a draw of 96 players? After this year, Rome will be the only clay-court Masters, so why not Rome?
-- Barney, Seattle

Obviously this is a mythical title. People are free to call the Quebec City Open the "fifth Slam" if they're so inclined. I think Miami got this designation because it most closely approximates the vibe of a Slam. The event lasts longer than a week. There's a big draw. Men and women play simultaneously. There's an urban, hip host city. The shaky women's field (and the resort community setting) disqualifies Indian Wells. In Rome and Canada, the men and women don't play simultaneously.

Matt01
Apr 9th, 2008, 07:10 PM
apparently thousands of their detractors, and hardly any of their fans.


What a stupid thing to say...

DA FOREHAND
Apr 9th, 2008, 07:14 PM
What a stupid thing to say...

Not as dumb as your parents deciding to have you

Slutiana
Apr 9th, 2008, 07:15 PM
Who cares if the WS never play IW again? IW enjoyed another year of record attendance without their help.

The Pacific Life Open increased attendance by an average of 1,000 fans per session in setting new records this year.......331,268 fans attended the 2008 Pacific Life Open beating the record of 303,000 set last year. The Fifth Grand Slam continues to thrive and grow.......
Well the men play there too, you know? And the mens game is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more interesting than the womens' right now. ;) That's a useless stat.

Matt01
Apr 9th, 2008, 07:23 PM
Not as dumb as your parents deciding to have you


I just looked up your age :eek: Normally I would think that people of your age are able to refrain from immature comments like you regularly do...guess in your case I'm wrong :tape: :lol:

DA FOREHAND
Apr 9th, 2008, 07:27 PM
I just looked up your age :eek: Normally I would think that people of your age are able to refrain from immature comments like you regularly do...guess in your case I'm wrong :tape: :lol:

sucks for you:wavey:

Matt01
Apr 9th, 2008, 07:29 PM
sucks for you:wavey:


Lack of maturity? I think that sucks or you, too :wavey:

DA FOREHAND
Apr 9th, 2008, 07:32 PM
Lack of maturity? I think that sucks or you, too :wavey:

i can't decide if you need a hug or a nap:p:kiss:

RVD
Apr 9th, 2008, 09:45 PM
Hey Mr. Matthew Cronin, if you're reading this, just a few suggestions...

Watch the IW tapes again, and then recall how months prior to IW how there was talk of 'match-fixing' and 'tanking' by the WIlliamses.

Next, recall how even the commentators and yes, even you media sports writers added to the speculations, possibly in an attempt to sell "the news".
Further recall how NOT ONCE did any one of you media folks write in support of the Williamses.

Then, if you are of the mind, think back on how the day OF the tournament, the then commentators further fueled speculation and anger by siding with these unsubstantiated rumors.

Lastly, Mr. Matthew Cronin, imagine, if you will, sitting with YOUR daughter, among THOUSANDS of jeering booing crazed fans, calling you and your daughter every conceivably horrid name in the book; while your other daughter is on the court being booed from hell to heaven, AND throughout the trophy ceremony.

And STILL, to this day, people are saying "...it's you and your daughter's fault for being cheaters!"

No one's been fired over this or even reprimanded, except for the victims.
Not a single fan was booted.
Not a single commentator for fueling the fire.
Not one executive came forward to at least quell the hatred.
Yet, some genius decides to buy a stake (invest) in IW and now sees that investment's future losing potential.

Quite a world we live in, eh Mr. Matthew Cronin?

Now do you seriously...honestly believe that a "Letter Writing Campaign" will erase those painful memories, and bring these stars back?!?!


People can change their minds, but some can and do remember painful events. And a painful event can have a significant affect on performance.
So Venus and Serena are again CORRECT to never return to such a place.

And this FAN supports that decision, and wishes everyone else would just let it die.

BuTtErFrEnA
Apr 9th, 2008, 09:48 PM
Not as dumb as your parents deciding to have you

:spit: you are back at it again lol

Volcana
Apr 9th, 2008, 09:59 PM
Who cares if the WS never play IW again?The WTA cares, and Indian Wells itself. Otherwise, it would have been far easier to just give each player the ability to miss one required tournament, and skip all this hoo-ha.


You ask who cares? The people trying to make it mandatory that they play there care.

whyme225
Apr 9th, 2008, 10:22 PM
Hey Mr. Wertheim, if you're reading this, just a few suggestions...

Watch the IW tapes again, and then recall how months prior to IW how there was talk of 'match-fixing' and 'tanking' by the WIlliamses.

Next, recall how even the commentators and yes, even you media sports writers added to the speculations, possibly in an attempt to sell "the news".
Further recall how NOT ONCE did any one of you media folks write in support of the Williamses.

Then, if you are of the mind, think back on how the day OF the tournament, the then commentators further fueled speculation and anger by siding with these unsubstantiated rumors.

Lastly, Mr. Wertheim, imagine, if you will, sitting with YOUR daughter, among THOUSANDS of jeering booing crazed fans, calling you and your daughter every conceivably horrid name in the book; while your other daughter is on the court being booed from hell to heaven, AND throughout the trophy ceremony.

And STILL, to this day, people are saying "...it's you and your daughter's fault for being cheaters!"

No one's been fired over this or even reprimanded, except for the victims.
Not a single fan was booted.
Not a single commentator for fueling the fire.
Not one executive came forward to at least quell the hatred.
Yet, some genius decides to buy a stake (invest) in IW and now sees that investment's future losing potential.

Quite a world we live in, eh Mr. Wertheim?

Now do you seriously...honestly believe that a "Letter Writing Campaign" will erase those painful memories, and bring these stars back?!?!


People can change their minds, but some can and do remember painful events. And a painful event can have a significant affect on performance.
So Venus and Serena are again CORRECT to never return to such a place.

And this FAN supports that decision, and wishes everyone else would just let it die.


Excellent, Excellent post...:worship::worship:

LDVTennis
Apr 10th, 2008, 01:53 AM
The WTA cares, and Indian Wells itself. Otherwise, it would have been far easier to just give each player the ability to miss one required tournament, and skip all this hoo-ha.


You ask who cares? The people trying to make it mandatory that they play there care.

They don't care.

Charlie Pasarell, tourrnament director, is not a cynical guy. So, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

But, you got to wonder. If somebody wanted to get revenge on the Williams' family for pulling the race card, they could not have concocted a better plan.

Put up millions of dollars to become a mandatory tournament. Make the WTA play the bad guy, with really no desire to see the Williams' sisters return. Get all the satisfaction of making the Williams' sisters appear like the ones who aren't following the rules.

If in the end, the Williams' sisters are forced to pay a fine, the WTA pays you some money for failing to deliver, and the whole situation leaves people wondering whether women should get equal prize money, the millions of dollars might still have been worth it.

Got to wonder.

mykarma
Apr 10th, 2008, 02:33 AM
They don't care.

Charlie Pasarell, tourrnament director, is not a cynical guy. So, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

But, you got to wonder. If somebody wanted to get revenge on the Williams' family for pulling the race card, they could not have concocted a better plan.

Put up millions of dollars to become a mandatory tournament. Make the WTA play the bad guy, with really no desire to see the Williams' sisters return. Get all the satisfaction of making the Williams' sisters appear like the ones who aren't following the rules.

If in the end, the Williams' sisters are forced to pay a fine, the WTA pays you some money for failing to deliver, and the whole situation leaves people wondering whether women should get equal prize money, the millions of dollars might still have been worth it.

Got to wonder.
Now the Williams sisters are pulling the race card. :lol::help:

usatennis1
Apr 10th, 2008, 02:39 AM
I don't care what the tour states, I would never play there again if I were them.

esquímaux
Apr 10th, 2008, 03:25 AM
*DEATH* @ "saga"

:rolls:

Volcana
Apr 10th, 2008, 03:57 AM
They don't care.

Charlie Pasarell, tourrnament director, is not a cynical guy. So, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

But, you got to wonder. If somebody wanted to get revenge on the Williams' family for pulling the race card, they could not have concocted a better plan.YOu actually wrote this.Put up millions of dollars to become a mandatory tournament. Make the WTA play the bad guy, with really no desire to see the Williams' sisters return. Get all the satisfaction of making the Williams' sisters appear like the ones who aren't following the rules. The constant gripe/wonder/complaint about the Williams sisters since the mid-90's is that they don't play by the same rules as everybody else. Is that supposed to be news? If in the end, the Williams' sisters are forced to pay a fine, the WTA pays you some money for failing to deliver, and the whole situation leaves people wondering whether women should get equal prize money, the millions of dollars might still have been worth it.

Got to wonder.That's your idea of 'revenge'. On who? There's literally nothing in that scenario that will cause Venus or Serena Williams a second thought.

And while some people may wonder if women should get equal at Indian Wells, the concept itself will survive just fine, as the women deliver equal or greater TV ratings in the later rounds.


They say revenge is a dish best served cold. It this is your idea of revenge, you need it served in outer space. Cause only absolute zero could make it worth having.

Volcana
Apr 10th, 2008, 04:02 AM
LDVTennis - What's your take on two of Wertheim's points?

2. Sources say that is unlikely that either Venus or Serena will face a significant suspension (although they could face major fines), especially one that will result in them being booted from Miami.

3. Scott is unlikely to butt heads with Venus, a player whom he is close to and who has consistently stepped up to the plate for the tour on major political issues.

(#3 especially interests me in the light of Indian Wells 'holding all the cards'.)

DA FOREHAND
Apr 10th, 2008, 04:18 PM
They don't care.

Charlie Pasarell, tourrnament director, is not a cynical guy. So, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

But, you got to wonder. If somebody wanted to get revenge on the Williams' family for pulling the race card, they could not have concocted a better plan.

Put up millions of dollars to become a mandatory tournament. Make the WTA play the bad guy, with really no desire to see the Williams' sisters return. Get all the satisfaction of making the Williams' sisters appear like the ones who aren't following the rules.

If in the end, the Williams' sisters are forced to pay a fine, the WTA pays you some money for failing to deliver, and the whole situation leaves people wondering whether women should get equal prize money, the millions of dollars might still have been worth it.

Got to wonder.


Why do you think Venus and Serena Williams never wish to return to play at i.w.? I mean that was only sum good natured ribbing those good folks of the local community was giving them. They didn't mean any harm. Just sum good old boys never meaning no harm right?

bandabou
Apr 10th, 2008, 05:27 PM
They don't care.

Charlie Pasarell, tourrnament director, is not a cynical guy. So, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

But, you got to wonder. If somebody wanted to get revenge on the Williams' family for pulling the race card, they could not have concocted a better plan.

Put up millions of dollars to become a mandatory tournament. Make the WTA play the bad guy, with really no desire to see the Williams' sisters return. Get all the satisfaction of making the Williams' sisters appear like the ones who aren't following the rules.

If in the end, the Williams' sisters are forced to pay a fine, the WTA pays you some money for failing to deliver, and the whole situation leaves people wondering whether women should get equal prize money, the millions of dollars might still have been worth it.

Got to wonder.

Revenge??? Why would the IW-organization want revenge, if you already have stated they don't even WANT the sisters there?

Is this how it works now? LDV you're sound really twisted.

Treat them badly and if they protest, get revenge on them for protesting? Again you're holding Serena accountable for something her father said. She never talked about racism being the reason for her not playing IW. She said: it was a traumatic event and she'd rather play in front of people who actually wanna see her play.

DOUBLEFIST
Apr 10th, 2008, 05:31 PM
Who cares if the WS never play IW again? IW enjoyed another year of record attendance without their help.

exactly. ...So why is tour, the pundits, LDTV, and other yahoos all up in arms about it. I guess cause they mean soooooo little..., right? :lol:

The sisters have made their decision. MOST of their fans support- indeed, encourage- that decision. It's everybody else WHO WANTS THEM THERE that's having the problem.

Pureracket
Apr 10th, 2008, 05:34 PM
exactly. ...So why is tour, the pundits, LDTV, and other yahoos all up in arms about it. I guess cause they mean soooooo little..., right? :lol:

The sisters have made their decision. MOST of their fans support- indeed, encourage- that decision. It's everybody else WHO WANTS THEM THERE that's having the problem.Ya' know....I was thinking the same. For these people to hate Venus and Serena so much, they are certainly bitching and moaning about playing in a tournament.:lol:

DA FOREHAND
Apr 10th, 2008, 05:54 PM
:tape:exactly. ...So why is tour, the pundits, LDTV, and other yahoos all up in arms about it. I guess cause they mean soooooo little..., right? :lol:

The sisters have made their decision. MOST of their fans support- indeed, encourage- that decision. It's everybody else WHO WANTS THEM THERE that's having the problem.

I said the same thing a few post ago, and that partial abortion had the nerve to call me stupid.:help:

SV_Fan
Apr 10th, 2008, 06:06 PM
I think Venus and Serena could care less if they played IW they know they are better than 99.9% of the girls.

DA FOREHAND
Apr 10th, 2008, 06:52 PM
http://www.yikers.com/video_teacher_calls_student_a_nigga.html

rjd1111
Apr 10th, 2008, 07:50 PM
Williams sisters' never-ending Indian Wells saga
By Matthew Cronin, ********************

REHASHING THE WILLIAMS SISTERS IW CONTROVERSY: The tennis message boards continue to rage with discussion about whether Serena and Venus Williams should play '09 Indian Wells, and if they don't, what type of suspension they should face? There are four critical points that are being overlooked:

1: According to Sony Ericsson WTA CEO Larry Scott, the use of "emotional distress" as an excuse for not playing (which ******************** unearthed in January) was declared invalid at a WTA board meeting in March.

2. Sources say that is unlikely that either Venus or Serena will face a significant suspension (although they could face major fines), especially one that will result in them being booted from Miami. The tour is floating the idea around that if a player shows up at the tournament that she's skipping and does media, corporate and fans appearances (like Maria Sharapova did at '08 Miami) that might be enough to keep her out of hot water. They might also be able to put in major promotional appearances elsewhere. But … how does that satisfy a tournament that is being forced to put significantly more prize money to be called a "mandated" event and can't sell tickets off the stars who are boycotting it?

3. Scott is unlikely to butt heads with Venus, a player whom he is close to and who has consistently stepped up to the plate for the tour on major political issues.

4. With all the hand-wringing on both sides of the IW Williams boycott issue, one extremely important development has never occurred that might entice the sisters to return: a massive letter writing campaign from Indian Wells fans imploring the sisters to return.


I seriously doubt the Sisters will show at IW to do
Media or anything else.

Vlover
Apr 10th, 2008, 09:56 PM
exactly. ...So why is tour, the pundits, LDTV, and other yahoos all up in arms about it. I guess cause they mean soooooo little..., right? :lol:

The sisters have made their decision. MOST of their fans support- indeed, encourage- that decision. It's everybody else WHO WANTS THEM THERE that's having the problem.

It is difficult for me to comprehend also why the fuss for the last consecutive seven years since thing s have been so dandy at IW.:lol: The main thread about IW was about the Sisters absence than any match played there. I'm positive that there will one next year that will break previous record posts.:lol:

Anyway I think the WTA should give back IW their money and relegate them to the tier2 status they deserve. Two consecutive mandatory tournaments is ridiculous anyway.:help:

Volcana
Apr 10th, 2008, 10:13 PM
Here's a quiet, yet practical solution. Let the WTA and the players each bear half the weight of the cost to IW.

For each top ten player who doesn't show, the player pays $150,000, and the WTA pays $150,000. That way, if they all don't show, IW is only actually paying 1.5 million in prize money, but can still claim to pay 4.5 million.

Slutiana
Apr 10th, 2008, 10:19 PM
:haha: another thread. It's just gonna go one forever. :lol: LDVTennis just wont give up. He just needs to stop.

Stamp Paid
Apr 10th, 2008, 10:35 PM
They are not going to play IW, and they are not going to be barred from Miami. Now who's mad?? :lol:

bandabou
Apr 11th, 2008, 07:01 PM
And everybody wins...

Denise4925
Apr 11th, 2008, 08:41 PM
4. With all the hand-wringing on both sides of the IW Williams boycott issue, one extremely important development has never occurred that might entice the sisters to return: a massive letter writing campaign from Indian Wells fans imploring the sisters to return.

That's not gonna happen. :rolleyes: Even if it did, it wouldn't matter.

Denise4925
Apr 11th, 2008, 08:44 PM
Who cares if the WS never play IW again? IW enjoyed another year of record attendance without their help.

The Pacific Life Open increased attendance by an average of 1,000 fans per session in setting new records this year.......331,268 fans attended the 2008 Pacific Life Open beating the record of 303,000 set last year. The Fifth Grand Slam continues to thrive and grow.......

Right, who does care? The WS don't care. Their fans don't care. Let me see, aaah yes, the WTA, USTA and IW must the be the ones who care. They instituted this mandatory tournament rule, they keep trying to negotiate with the WS and they keep talking about it in the media. :lol:

Denise4925
Apr 11th, 2008, 08:46 PM
sucks for you:wavey:

:spit:

Denise4925
Apr 11th, 2008, 08:56 PM
They don't care.

Charlie Pasarell, tourrnament director, is not a cynical guy. So, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

But, you got to wonder. If somebody wanted to get revenge on the Williams' family for pulling the race card, they could not have concocted a better plan.

Put up millions of dollars to become a mandatory tournament. Make the WTA play the bad guy, with really no desire to see the Williams' sisters return. Get all the satisfaction of making the Williams' sisters appear like the ones who aren't following the rules.

If in the end, the Williams' sisters are forced to pay a fine, the WTA pays you some money for failing to deliver, and the whole situation leaves people wondering whether women should get equal prize money, the millions of dollars might still have been worth it.

Got to wonder.

Yeah, you've got to wonder why if the WS wanted to "pull the race card", why only choose one event in the whole tour. You've got to wonder why, not being in their shoes and experiencing what they experienced, an organization(s) would still doubt their word and want revenge on two players who are considered by detractors like yourself to be so insignificant, not only to this tournament, but to the tour itself. :shrug: You've got to wonder.

Denise4925
Apr 11th, 2008, 09:07 PM
http://www.yikers.com/video_teacher_calls_student_a_nigga.html

Wow, it makes you wonder if LDTV (and others like him) would think the student "pulled the race card" in that instance and that teacher was justified in his actions and the district was justified in allowing the teacher to retain his position.

bandabou
Apr 12th, 2008, 10:17 AM
http://www.yikers.com/video_teacher_calls_student_a_nigga.html

Curious to hear LDV's take on this one..is this fella a crybaby too?

Melly Flew Us
Apr 12th, 2008, 01:36 PM
....
But, you got to wonder. If somebody wanted to get revenge on the Williams' family for pulling the race card, they could not have concocted a better plan....
yeah; got to wonder if you left your reasoning skills in your other jacket.

atptour03
Apr 13th, 2008, 01:15 AM
After posting so many responses about this subject, and reading everyone else's; I have come to conclusion that no matter how we twist it, Venus and Serena are not going to go back to IW and the WTA is not going to suspend them. Think about it, the tournament directors at Miami would not have agreed to the roadmap to 2009 if there was a possiblility of Venus and Serena being suspended over IW, and the WTA is fully aware of the Williams' influence and esteem.

Lindsayfan32
Apr 13th, 2008, 04:36 AM
The Williams sisters don't deserve special treatment. what happened in 2001 should never have happened I agree with that. They need to be told the rules for next year's Indian wells and what will happen if they don't play end of story. If the WTA make a special case out of the Williams sisters they are opening up a can of worms. I think mandating Indian wells and Miami back to back is stupid in the first place but the rules are there for everyone the Williams sister included.

spice_of_life
Apr 13th, 2008, 06:37 AM
On the mens tour IW and Miami have been mandatory for quite some time now and it seems to work just fine. Is the WTA full of a bunch of wussies that can't play two tournaments back-to-back? Especially ones where you don't play every single day. :confused:

If it's mandatory then everyone should have to play unless they really are with injury, no excuses. What happened to the Williams Sisters wasn't right, but it's not fair to punish a tournament for the actions of a few bad fans. Whether the tournament is doing well with or without them is irrelevant. The point is if it's a mandatory tournament then the Williams Sisters should have to play like everyone else has to. They shouldn't get special treatment.

DA FOREHAND
Apr 13th, 2008, 04:19 PM
On the mens tour IW and Miami have been mandatory for quite some time now and it seems to work just fine. Is the WTA full of a bunch of wussies that can't play two tournaments back-to-back? Especially ones where you don't play every single day. :confused:

If it's mandatory then everyone should have to play unless they really are with injury, no excuses. What happened to the Williams Sisters wasn't right, but it's not fair to punish a tournament for the actions of a few bad fans. Whether the tournament is doing well with or without them is irrelevant. The point is if it's a mandatory tournament then the Williams Sisters should have to play like everyone else has to. They shouldn't get special treatment.
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Exactly who's calling for them to get special treatment? I mean I don't think they should get special treatment either; I mean damn isn't affirmative action enough!!! Next thing you know they'll be wanting people to seriously consider them for the highest office in the land.:rolleyes::help:

Slutiana
Apr 13th, 2008, 04:34 PM
On the mens tour IW and Miami have been mandatory for quite some time now and it seems to work just fine. Is the WTA full of a bunch of wussies that can't play two tournaments back-to-back? Especially ones where you don't play every single day. :confused:

If it's mandatory then everyone should have to play unless they really are with injury, no excuses. What happened to the Williams Sisters wasn't right, but it's not fair to punish a tournament for the actions of a few bad fans. Whether the tournament is doing well with or without them is irrelevant. The point is if it's a mandatory tournament then the Williams Sisters should have to play like everyone else has to. They shouldn't get special treatment.

This is where I beg to differ. They're not trying to punish the tournament. They have different reasons on why they don't want to go back and i've said enough about that already, but did the tournament ever apologise in puplic or even in private? That makes it 100x worst because it makes it seem like the tournament was on the 'fans' side, not the players side. If a tournament can't look after it's players then why should the players go back there.

Think of it like this, you're in a hotel and the only black/white person there - everyone knows that, too. While you're asleep, people come and vandalise your hotel room. No one else's but your one. The hotel staff refuse to apologise or take any action against anyone... Would you ever go back there?

DA FOREHAND
Apr 13th, 2008, 04:40 PM
This is where I beg to differ. They're not trying to punish the tournament. They have different reasons on why they don't want to go back and i've said enough about that already, but did the tournament ever apologise in puplic or even in private? That makes it 100x worst because it makes it seem like the tournament was on the 'fans' side, not the players side. If a tournament can't look after it's players then why should the players go back there.

Think of it like this, you're in a hotel and the only black/white person there - everyone knows that, too. While you're asleep, people come and vandalise your hotel room. No one else's but your one. The hotel staff refuse to apologise or take any action against anyone... Would you ever go back there?


And to add insult to injury the bastards that run i.w. took down Serena's champion posters, as if to say "Fuck me? NO FUCK YOU...AGAIN!:help::eek:

bandabou
Apr 13th, 2008, 07:35 PM
And to add insult to injury the bastards that run i.w. took down Serena's champion posters, as if to say "Fuck me? NO FUCK YOU...AGAIN!:help::eek:

OUCH! Where's LDV when you need him?

Slutiana
Apr 13th, 2008, 07:39 PM
And to add insult to injury the bastards that run i.w. took down Serena's champion posters, as if to say "Fuck me? NO FUCK YOU...AGAIN!:help::eek:
:lol: Seriously though, if something happened and they decided to go back, they will be walking right out the door once they see there's no posters of her...

Steffica Greles
Apr 13th, 2008, 09:15 PM
I don't understand why people care so much.

Back in 2002, 2003, or even 2004, maybe. Back then any tier 1 hard court draw seemed depleted without them. But how many tier 1 titles do either of the Williams sisters win these days?

The tour is missing nothing without them being there, mainly because they are now both past their hey day.

Should they allow them to skip?

Yes, absolutely. I don't like this business of making tournaments mandatory. I think if a player needs a rest, they need a rest.

Volcana
Apr 13th, 2008, 09:39 PM
If it's mandatory then everyone should have to play unless they really are with injury, no excuses. What happened to the Williams Sisters wasn't right, but it's not fair to punish a tournament for the actions of a few bad fans. Whether the tournament is doing well with or without them is irrelevant. The point is if it's a mandatory tournament then the Williams Sisters should have to play like everyone else has to. They shouldn't get special treatment.You can reverse that just as easily. The WTA knew in advance of determining the 'Roadmap' that Venus and Serena wouldn't play Indian Wells. In fact, Larry Scott himself said he spoke to them about it. So why make a tournament mandatory when you know you aren't going to be able to get all the players to play?


'Well they did so the players should play' isn't an answer. The WTA knew what they were getting themselves into. The WTA made a choice. Now they have to live it.

bandabou
Apr 13th, 2008, 09:43 PM
I don't understand why people care so much.

Back in 2002, 2003, or even 2004, maybe. Back then any tier 1 hard court draw seemed depleted without them. But how many tier 1 titles do either of the Williams sisters win these days?

The tour is missing nothing without them being there, mainly because they are now both past their hey day.

Should they allow them to skip?

Yes, absolutely. I don't like this business of making tournaments mandatory. I think if a player needs a rest, they need a rest.

Bravooo..but the face of tennis, Maria Sharapova..how many does SHE win these days?

Olórin
Apr 13th, 2008, 09:47 PM
Actually I think it's more Serena simply not entering hard court tier ones, whenever she does play she tends to do quite well.

Volcana
Apr 13th, 2008, 09:51 PM
The tour is missing nothing without them being thereHaving the champion of Miami never adds to an event. And having the Wimbledon champ actualy hurts events, as everyone knows.

Serenababy
Apr 13th, 2008, 09:52 PM
He is so talking about WTAWorld. :lol:

damm right:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

and its going to be a lot of drama when March 2009 hits in the WTA !!!!! Cause trust and believe I know my boo is not going to show up and if they try and fine her she will take legal action:p:p and she said she would in an interview, I'll find for yall!!!!

Serenababy
Apr 13th, 2008, 09:57 PM
And to add insult to injury the bastards that run i.w. took down Serena's champion posters, as if to say "Fuck me? NO FUCK YOU...AGAIN!:help::eek:
I didn't know they took her posters down:(:( aww fuck them:fiery: she should go compton on they ass:devil: that was bold and mean, what did she do to them:sad::sad: ohhhh now i really don't won't her to go!!!!