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Steffica Greles
Mar 13th, 2008, 12:21 PM
Oh the wonders of Youtube!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMD1ef2lK_0

As soon as she retires, I get to see this for the first time. Typical ;)

Looking back, I can understand why Seles wanted her ranking frozen, but you just cannot have a number one ranking frozen, with the number two spot the highest level to which a player can ascend. Rankings are purely for the media, and the women's game, sad as it was, had to move on and try to forget Seles so as every grandslam would not seem completely redundant, whereby attendances and sponsorships would drop.

I do think that they could have given her an assurance that if she came back within a certain amount of time, they would agree to freeze her ranking. But that's easily said; at that point, Seles was still recovering from the physical effects, still more so the emotional, and therefore time frames would not have done her recovery any good whatsoever.

Another way of viewing the affair retrospectively is to say that Seles, if she had really wanted her ranking frozen, could at least have given them an indication of when she was going to come back. For example, she could have said what she said in this video, that her finger was still affected by the wound, but that when she was ready she would resume training. But again, it's very easy to say that in hindsight when Seles was traumatised and STILL only nineteen years of age. What had happened to her was so cruel, and it must have taken her a long, long time to face it, as indicated by her unwillingness to look at the scar on her back.

But still, the whole tour could not wait indefinitely. Perhaps they could have
given her an assurance that she would be given a high seeding on her return, as a phenomenon who had dominated the tour for the last two to three years.
Maybe that would have provided her an incentive to return sooner. But the message such a gesture might have sent out would have been that the tour was only concerned with Seles returning in order to bolster its media appeal, as opposed to providing her the space and the time to deal with the attack in her own way.

It was a very delicate situation, which the tour did not initially handle well because of poor communication, but because Seles understandably felt aggrieved, it did not mean that her ranking could be frozen indefinitely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiZk3epI1jY&feature=related ...and just a reminder of how good she was. You can really guess which book Maria read from.

Harvs
Mar 13th, 2008, 12:24 PM
yeah iactually watched this yesterday

very interestingggg

anon57
Mar 13th, 2008, 12:54 PM
Very interesting interview, thanks for posting it. I also had a question, since I was too young to really remember this. Was her ranking actually taken away because that the way the interview makes it sounds or was her absence treated as for example an injury or illness woud be treated.

Steffica Greles
Mar 13th, 2008, 01:04 PM
Very interesting interview, thanks for posting it. I also had a question, since I was too young to really remember this. Was her ranking actually taken away because that the way the interview makes it sounds or was her absence treated as for example an injury or illness woud be treated.

It wasn't taken away, no. By the end of 1993, her ranking was number 8, based on just four tournaments, including Hamburg, where she was stabbed.

What Seles wanted was for them to freeze her ranking indefinitely, until she was able to return.

anon57
Mar 13th, 2008, 01:06 PM
Thanks for explaining that

The Kaz
Mar 13th, 2008, 01:13 PM
I watched this yeterday too,
very moving

Seles :awww:

kittyking
Mar 13th, 2008, 01:13 PM
She's an incredible lady, just a matter of time til she gets involved in politics

bwahahahahaha
Mar 13th, 2008, 01:18 PM
I'm sure the self centered witch would start whining if they had frozen Monica's ranking.

The Kaz
Mar 13th, 2008, 01:44 PM
I'm sure the self centered witch would start whining if they had frozen Monica's ranking.

Graf?

sonnys
Mar 13th, 2008, 03:01 PM
:sad::wavey:Thanks...

DA FOREHAND
Mar 13th, 2008, 03:12 PM
Did the ATP freez Muster's ranking when he was mowed over by a car?
NO

She was given the ranking of co-number one when she finally decided she would return.

Getting stabbed on the court, life threatening or not is a tragic and traumatic situation, but life goes on.

DA FOREHAND
Mar 13th, 2008, 03:12 PM
Graf?

No his mum:tape:

kwilliams
Mar 13th, 2008, 03:58 PM
Thanks for posting this. I didn't know Seles was such a little starlet back in the early days.

darkangel23
Mar 13th, 2008, 04:30 PM
I watched this also yesterday and there you could really see her post-trauma from this horrible attack. But weren't you guys shocked when MARY CARILLO said in the sunday news paper, that Monica would use this attack now only to get attention. I mean what the HELL???? Who would do that? Who does Mary Carillo think she is? I mean she has the sassiness to judge something that has happened to Monica and then she kind of wanted to say that this whole attack was just not very bad, that it was a little thing nothing special. What do you think?

DA FOREHAND
Mar 13th, 2008, 04:31 PM
Thanks for posting this. I didn't know Seles was such a little starlet back in the early days.

Yes she was. It was great to see. I love the time she tried to give Zina flowers before their French Open match, and Zina gave her that sister girl NO. Seles passed out the remainder of the flowers and mopped the court with Zina.:drool::lol::worship::worship:

DA FOREHAND
Mar 13th, 2008, 04:32 PM
I watched this also yesterday and there you could really see her post-trauma from this horrible attack. But weren't you guys shocked when MARY CARILLO said in the sunday news paper, that Monica would use this attack now only to get attention. I mean what the HELL???? Who would do that? What does Mary Carillo think who she is? I mean she has the sassiness to judge something that has happened to Monica and then she kind of wanted to say that this whole attack was just not very bad, that it was a little thing nothing special. What do you think?

Mary Carillo also said Monica would milk it for all it's worth.:help::tape:

Maria Croft
Mar 13th, 2008, 04:56 PM
I never saw this before, very interesting, but it's logical that they didn't freeze her #1 spot, as horrible as it was she was out of the game, if she would have been injured she couldn't have stayed on the #1 spot either. Harsh but fair imo.

And OMG, that comment from Carillo, how horrible is that :o

Judging Amy
Mar 13th, 2008, 05:03 PM
Thanks for this.

Monica you are a legend :worship: It's not surprising that she was never the same after the incident :sad: What she did do when she came back was nothing but amazing.

Mary Carillo can go to hell :fiery: How did she know Monica would milk it? She was going by what she would do and not what Monica would do - so who's the attention craving bitch now Mary? :mad:

Hopefully karma will rear it's head :)

Karolina_Sprem
Mar 13th, 2008, 05:08 PM
I'm so surprised to see this interview. She didn't want to give any interview for yugoslav media.
Croatian media tried to contact her at that time but they were refused all the time by Seles's agent.
Remember one article in croatian newspaper at that time when they've showed a pic of her property in Florida. Pic was taken from the helicopter - that was the only way to take a pic.

LeRoy.
Mar 13th, 2008, 06:03 PM
I saw the interview two days ago and my first reaction to Mary Carrillo's statement about Monica milking the stabbing for all its worth, was absolute disgust. I just can't stand that woman. :rolleyes: :fiery:

Errinella
Mar 13th, 2008, 07:06 PM
I'm just disgusted by that Carillo comment. What an ugly thing to say.

Adal
Mar 13th, 2008, 07:25 PM
Carillo :mad: What a BITCH! :tape:

Monica was really mistreated at that time... seems like everyone just forgot she was only 19 when it all happened

Steffica Greles
Mar 13th, 2008, 08:02 PM
Thanks for posting this. I didn't know Seles was such a little starlet back in the early days.

8 grandslam titles by the age of 19 years and two months. Her first at 16 and a half.

That makes her the most successful teenage player in the open era, arguably of all time.

RJWCapriati
Mar 13th, 2008, 08:17 PM
Very emotional Interview

Talula
Mar 13th, 2008, 09:29 PM
8 grandslam titles by the age of 19 years and two months. Her first at 16 and a half.

That makes her the most successful teenage player in the open era, arguably of all time.

No player before Monica or since Monica has EVER achieved such success.

I absolutely ADORE Monica. I make no excuses. I miss Monica and all her fans that posted here. I miss Steffi too. The Golden years of tennis.

Steffi did not stab or tender the stabbing of Monica.

I would do anything to see Monica play again. And anything to see Steffi play. I would LOVE to see an exhibition match between them. But it will never be.

I hope the likes of StefficaGreles and I keep the flame of Monica and Steffi burning bright!

Talula
Mar 13th, 2008, 09:33 PM
Did the ATP freez Muster's ranking when he was mowed over by a car?
NO

She was given the ranking of co-number one when she finally decided she would return.

Getting stabbed on the court, life threatening or not is a tragic and traumatic situation, but life goes on.

When flotsum and jetsum retire, let's hope you are so philosical. Serena and Venus were racially abused a few years back. It was awful. But, they weren't stabbed in the back by a Kraut loser.

I have supported Serena and Venus over IW. Show some support over Krautburg, 1993.

Talula
Mar 13th, 2008, 09:37 PM
I'm just disgusted by that Carillo comment. What an ugly thing to say.

Carillo = Calimero. I still miss his banter, but they both talk s^%t!

WhatTheDeuce
Mar 13th, 2008, 10:40 PM
That was a touching interview. :awww: I can't even put into words how inspiring she is and how much I love her. She'll forever be my favorite athlete of all time. It broke my heart to see her tear up.

On another note, I used to like Mary Carillo before I saw this. And now I've lost all respect for her. ALL respect. Piece of trash.

exposbabe
Mar 13th, 2008, 10:43 PM
Mary Carillo also said Monica would milk it for all it's worth.:help::tape:


It wasn't as outrageous a comment at the time as it would seem now.

Perhaps some of the posters don't remember because they were too young. But back then, Seles was always doing outrageous things to get attention, as most teenagers are wont to do.

She was pretty flighty and shallow (again, not dissing, remembering her age)

She'd wear wigs, she didn't bother denying rumours that she was pregnant. She (after skipping WImbledon) turned up all mysterious-like at an exhibition in Mahwah, New Jersey (which was a big one at the time before the U.S. Open), refusing to say where she was, arriving in a limo, hiding out with Donald Trump. All sorts of silly stuff like that.

Even the stab wound, by stab wound standards, didn't seem as serious as all that at the time - beyond the trauma of some stranger coming into your "house" and attacking you, which we obviously can't even relate to. It wasn't a big wound. There wasn't a ton of blood. I don't think anyone thought it would take her that long to get over it either physically or mentally.

Perhaps what Carillo said was a little harsh, but I think a lot of people thought the same thing at the time.

We're looking at it in hindsight now, and we didn't have that hindsight back then.

LDF
Mar 13th, 2008, 10:43 PM
Thanks for posting this interview, Steffica Greles.

I was really moved when I saw Monica tear up :awww:

As for Mary Carillo...wow, I've pretty much lost all respect for her now.

Dave.
Mar 14th, 2008, 02:19 AM
I didn't know she gave any interviews before her 95 comeback. I have never seen footage of the stabbing like that before, that's completely changed what I thought it was like. It was horrible watching her sit down not knowing her life and the world of tennis would be changed forever in a few seconds. And it was so sad to see her on that stretcher. After seeing her tears in this interview and the actual moments before and after the stabbing, I think it's even more amazing she recovered from that and got back on the tour. Seeing it live like that is just mindblowing.

Geisha
Mar 14th, 2008, 03:07 AM
I still don't understand what the big deal was that she pulled out of Wimbledon '91. I mean, people pull out of Grand Slams all the time, even the #1 player sometimes.

Archer16
Mar 14th, 2008, 05:35 AM
8 grandslam titles by the age of 19 years and two months. Her first at 16 and a half.

That makes her the most successful teenage player in the open era, arguably of all time.

No player before Monica or since Monica has EVER achieved such success.
In the open era - no, all time - there was even a better teenager. Maureen "Little Mo" Connolly, another stellar, short career cut tragically at 19. With no comeback, and yet more tragedy to follow in later life. :sad:

Touching interview. I remember seeing that horrible news in '93. I had a hard time watching the stabbing again.

kittyking
Mar 14th, 2008, 05:43 AM
In the open era - no, all time - there was even a better teenager. Maureen "Little Mo" Connolly, another stellar, short career cut tragically at 19. With no comeback, and yet more tragedy to follow in later life. :sad:

Touching interview. I remember seeing that horrible news in '93. I had a hard time watching the stabbing again.

First lady to win all 4 grandslams in a calendar year then diagnosed with cancer and then died aged 34 :sad:

Ghis
Mar 14th, 2008, 04:13 PM
Did the ATP freez Muster's ranking when he was mowed over by a car?
NO

She was given the ranking of co-number one when she finally decided she would return.

Getting stabbed on the court, life threatening or not is a tragic and traumatic situation, but life goes on.
The big difference is that the reason that lunatic stabbed Monica was to prevent her from playing, thus allowing Graf to regain the number one ranking. He succeeded with his plan...
Freezing Monica's ranking and allowing her to retain her top spot position would have been a way for the WTA to say: "Monica, we support you and will not allow that man's plan to realize."
And it wouldn't have changed a thing for Graf. She would still have been seeded first and she could have been given a co-number one ranking when it became clear that Monica would remain out for a long time.

DA FOREHAND
Mar 14th, 2008, 04:28 PM
The big difference is that the reason that lunatic stabbed Monica was to prevent her from playing, thus allowing Graf to regain the number one ranking. He succeeded with his plan...
Freezing Monica's ranking and allowing her to retain her top spot position would have been a way for the WTA to say: "Monica, we support you and will not allow that man's plan to realize."
And it wouldn't have changed a thing for Graf. She would still have been seeded first and she could have been given a co-number one ranking when it became clear that Monica would remain out for a long time.

I could care less if Conchita Martinez was going to be the new number one when MOnica was out of the game, the ranking should never have been frozen, and especially not for two and a half years.

wateva
Mar 14th, 2008, 04:52 PM
mary carillo is a F*CKING B*TCH!!! :fiery:

Martian Jeza
Mar 14th, 2008, 05:40 PM
I love Monica Seles : What a fabulous woman : I gonna repeat it again but she brought me into tennis in 1990. Watched the interview : it was a very nice one and what good looking was Monica there and still is. Respect 4-Ever for this amazing, unique fighter who is Monica Seles :worship::worship::worship::worship:

Mary Carillo, How dare you saying such horrible thing about Monica Seles stabbing ? Pfffff :rolleyes::rolleyes:

kwilliams
Mar 19th, 2008, 10:21 PM
I watched this also yesterday and there you could really see her post-trauma from this horrible attack. But weren't you guys shocked when MARY CARILLO said in the sunday news paper, that Monica would use this attack now only to get attention. I mean what the HELL???? Who would do that? Who does Mary Carillo think she is? I mean she has the sassiness to judge something that has happened to Monica and then she kind of wanted to say that this whole attack was just not very bad, that it was a little thing nothing special. What do you think?


I think that's the pot calling the kettle black. Mary Carillo would say anything to get some attention. She sure as hell didn't get much attention as a tennis player so she's going to try to get some as a pundit. I suppose it's better than nothing for her!

kwilliams
Mar 19th, 2008, 10:24 PM
Yes she was. It was great to see. I love the time she tried to give Zina flowers before their French Open match, and Zina gave her that sister girl NO. Seles passed out the remainder of the flowers and mopped the court with Zina.:drool::lol::worship::worship:

That's wasn't very nice of Zina. I suppose she didn't want to make Seles look so gracious and kind since she knew she would also look the better tennis player. She played right into Seles' hands.