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Maria Croft
Mar 11th, 2008, 10:33 AM
I remember reading something about it here, but I can’t find it anywhere.
I’m really curious as to how it looks like, what tournaments are still there and in which week etc.

Does someone know where I can find it or maybe post it here?

Thanks in advance :)

goldenlox
Mar 11th, 2008, 02:20 PM
I don't think they finished it yet. I want to see it also.

Jorn
Mar 11th, 2008, 02:53 PM
Here is a Early List posted here earlier, it may be chanced since, I Hope!

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/1607/20070628wtacalendarblogjb1.jpg

Jorn
Mar 11th, 2008, 02:54 PM
Stuttgart, Rome, Madrid and Berlin before FO crap imo.

Matt01
Mar 11th, 2008, 03:12 PM
What does it look like?

It looks like crap basically :p

Jem
Mar 11th, 2008, 03:24 PM
Doesn't look all that different to me -- just a bit shorter. A couple of tournaments moved; a couple gone. Folks have been whining for a shorter season; now they have it. Hopefully, at the least, this will get the top players engaged more at the bigger tournaments. I like the mandatory attendance for the top events. And won't the rankings change to require one or two less tournaments for a full schedule?

Cp6uja
Mar 11th, 2008, 03:26 PM
Best WTA shedule ever by far b/c out of Slams and YEC - instead only Miami now will be 4 big events with huge money prize (more than 4.000.000U$D per event) and mandatory status which means in average we will have every month some tournament with "perfect field" (all healthy TOP50 will play) next season (4 slams + 4 "WTA masters" + YEC)!

Indian Wells (not like now, but like mandatory), Beijing (not like tier-II in past, but like real "womans masters" mandatory) and Madrid (WTA clay "masters", in first debut bigger than Rome or Berlin ever be) will realy :rocker2: next season.

Only stupid thing in new shedule is repeated mistake from this season - FED CUP just week after Australian Open which is simple unhuman for FED CUP matches which will be played in Europe or America for all players with full january Australian shedule.

I'm not biggest fan of Larry Scott at all, but all credits to him because this revolutionary changes of WTA tour Calendar since next year. Is anybody here have exactly "scoring system" (ranking points distribution) which will be used for this 4 womans masters and for all others tournaments in 2009 (no more tier's since 2009)???

Jem
Mar 11th, 2008, 03:29 PM
Only stupid thing in new shedule is repeated mistake from this season - FED CUP just week after Australian Open which is simple unhuman for FED CUP matches which will be played in Europe or America for all players with full january Australian shedule.

Don't know how the women feel, but the men requested that the Davis Cup matches be played the week after grand slams, and were reportedly upset when that didn't happen the way they felt it should/could have.

Maria Croft
Mar 11th, 2008, 04:05 PM
Here is a Early List posted here earlier, it may be chanced since, I Hope!

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/1607/20070628wtacalendarblogjb1.jpg


Thanks for posting :)

Maria Croft
Mar 11th, 2008, 04:08 PM
I have to say it looks really busy at the end of the year, they could at least give them one more week before the YEC starts.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Mar 11th, 2008, 07:15 PM
Stuttgart, Rome, Madrid and Berlin before FO crap imo.

Stuttgart is Tier II, same as Warsaw was.
Rome and Madrid is like Berlin and Rome now.
Berlin will turn into Tier III, so actually it's the same as this year.

Nicolás89
Mar 11th, 2008, 08:45 PM
Stuttgart is Tier II, same as Warsaw was.
Rome and Madrid is like Berlin and Rome now.
Berlin will turn into Tier III, so actually it's the same as this year.

They gave Berlin a 500 status (Tier II). ;)

Nicolás89
Mar 11th, 2008, 08:46 PM
Here is a Early List posted here earlier, it may be chanced since, I Hope!

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/1607/20070628wtacalendarblogjb1.jpg

I don't see Viña there so they must actualize it. :)

goldenlox
Mar 11th, 2008, 09:06 PM
That's a tough end of the year. Beijing Moscow and back to Doha.

Cp6uja
Mar 11th, 2008, 09:17 PM
Stuttgart is Tier II, same as Warsaw was.
Rome and Madrid is like Berlin and Rome now.
Berlin will turn into Tier III, so actually it's the same as this year.
Berlin=Rome now (tier-I=tier-I, 1.3M=1.3M, ptsBE=ptsRO)
Madrid>Rome in future (will be about 3x bigger money prize in Madrid than in Rome and we will see how many pts more will be counted for mandatory Madrid than for Rome).

spiceboy
Mar 11th, 2008, 09:19 PM
I don't see Viña there so they must actualize it. :)

Indeed. That calendar has been updated several times now.

Bali is now played after the YEC and it's kind of a mini-YEC for players who fail to qualify to the real YEC :lol:

Viña del Mar, Antwerp and Warsaw are in the calendar again as International Series (low tiers) and Japan Open (the now Tier III tournament in Tokyo) disappears.

TBC top tournament is still in the air and several change of dates for small clay tournaments in Europe (Estoril, Palermo, Istanbul...)

-Sonic-
Mar 11th, 2008, 09:47 PM
How many players are actually around come the 2nd week of a grand slam? Not that many, comparable to how many will be playing in the fed cup the next week. Even if you lose in the QF's of a grand slam (2nd tuesday) you won't be playing a fed cup match for another 10 days.

Thats at least do-able.

But most players don't reach the 2nd tuesday, which makes it closer to 2 weeks or even longer.

Cp6uja
Mar 11th, 2008, 10:39 PM
How many players are actually around come the 2nd week of a grand slam? Not that many, comparable to how many will be playing in the fed cup the next week. Even if you lose in the QF's of a grand slam (2nd tuesday) you won't be playing a fed cup match for another 10 days.

Thats at least do-able.

But most players don't reach the 2nd tuesday, which makes it closer to 2 weeks or even longer.
One week is nothing for fatigue womans body and transition from 10 hours different time zone. We have so many withdraws (only 3 of TOP13 played) this season in that 1st week after AO (best example is France which have open draw to FED CUP final, but nobody of theys TOP3 players not played against China), and when we see how played exceptions of top player which not withdraw that week, we will see reason:

- WTA#2 and AO finalist Ana Ivanovic lose sets against #150 and #590 players.
- WTA#4 and AO semifinalist Jelena Jankovic lose match against #105 (and save MP against #21 and 2SP against #450 player).
- Lindsay Davenport after her comeback last summer lose only two matches (both against TOP5 players) but in California lose against #130 1st set with breadstick and 2nd 5-7 after leading 5-2.
- Franceska Schiavone is proven like fantastic FED CUP player for they country and most important Italian player for 2006 FED CUP title or 2007 final, but she lose in Naples against #135 player.
- WTA#21 upcoming star Agneska Radwanska beat at AO Kuznetsova and Petrova (reach QF) but lose in straight sets against #105.
- WTA#25 and WTA#43 Sisters Bondarenko which won AO in Doubles at home lose theys matches against #165 ranked player.
...etc...etc...

I dont want to see anymore Ana Ivanovic like player which worst shot is forehand (!?) b/c her body dont listen her. And she is one of fittest players on tour but for example in midle of her match against #150 Niculesku from Romania she have hard crisis so her opponent of 9 serves in the row have 7 aces and Ana:angel: must to use medical (she down on floor in that moment) and also eat several bananas to continue that match.

FED CUP week just week after AO is worst part of 2009 WTA shedule, but if we ignore that, this is by far best WTA calendar ever b/c that 3 new mandatory tournaments which garantee insted 6 from past - 9 big finals in future per season since next year (that is 50% more than in past :drool:).

spiritedenergy
Mar 11th, 2008, 10:48 PM
Some scheduling is weird, especially those TIs one after the other (IW-Miami; Rome-Madrid) which is the same as this year IMHO. Especially IW and Miami why have they been scheduled like that?

I also will never understand why Wimbledon is always so close to the FO and there are only 3 grass tournaments for preparation. It's ridiculous.

Cp6uja
Mar 11th, 2008, 11:30 PM
Some scheduling is weird, especially those TIs one after the other (IW-Miami; Rome-Madrid) which is the same as this year IMHO. Especially IW and Miami why have they been scheduled like that?

I also will never understand why Wimbledon is always so close to the FO and there are only 3 grass tournaments for preparation. It's ridiculous.IW and Miami is two-weekers with day of play and day of pause shedule. It's works perfect in ATP where both have same mandatory status so i expect same thing since next season in WTA that elite players is redy to play on high level whole march. Rome-Madrid 2009 case is same like IW-Miami, but from past, not future. Now Miami>>IW (mandatory and with more than 1.5M$ bigger money prize) and that will be case with Madrid>>Rome in 2009.

Wimbledon is oldest tournament (since XIX century!) but except tradition they will never change date b/c practical reasons b/c this two weeks is proven like rainless time in London with best UK weather conditions for some tennis tournament.

spiritedenergy
Mar 11th, 2008, 11:35 PM
IW and Miami is two-weekers with day of play and day of pause shedule. It's works perfect in ATP where both have same mandatory status so i expect same thing since next season in WTA that elite players is redy to play on high level whole march. Rome-Madrid 2009 case is same like IW-Miami, but from past, not future. Now Miami>>IW (mandatory and with more than 1.5M$ bigger money prize).

Wimbledon is oldest tournament (since XIX century!) but except tradition they will never change date b/c practical reasons b/c this two weeks is proven like rainless time in London with best UK weather conditions for some tennis tournament.

So couldn't they anticipate RG and promote more grass tournaments? Grass play is the most fun for me, and it would be nice to have more of them. Hardcourts are the most boring IMHO. And is Rome a 2 weeks event now? Before it was 1st week women and 2nd week men...

The Daviator
Mar 11th, 2008, 11:44 PM
The 3 weeks after Wimbledon :help: :tape:

C. Drone
Mar 11th, 2008, 11:44 PM
One week is nothing for fatigue womans body and transition from 10 hours different time zone. We have so many withdraws (only 3 of TOP13 played) this season in that 1st week after AO (best example is France which have open draw to FED CUP final, but nobody of theys TOP3 players not played against China), and when we see how played exceptions of top player which not withdraw that week, we will see reason:

- WTA#2 and AO finalist Ana Ivanovic lose sets against #150 and #590 players.
- WTA#4 and AO semifinalist Jelena Jankovic lose match against #105 (and save MP against #21 and 2SP against #450 player).
- Lindsay Davenport after her comeback last summer lose only two matches (both against TOP5 players) but in California lose against #130 1st set with breadstick and 2nd 5-7 after leading 5-2.
- Franceska Schiavone is proven like fantastic FED CUP player for they country and most important Italian player for 2006 FED CUP title or 2007 final, but she lose in Naples against #135 player.
- WTA#21 upcoming star Agneska Radwanska beat at AO Kuznetsova and Petrova (reach QF) but lose in straight sets against #105.
- WTA#25 and WTA#43 Sisters Bondarenko which won AO in Doubles at home lose theys matches against #165 ranked player.
...etc...etc...

I dont want to see anymore Ana Ivanovic like player which worst shot is forehand (!?) b/c her body dont listen her. And she is one of fittest players on tour but for example in midle of her match against #150 Niculesku from Romania she have hard crisis so her opponent of 9 serves in the row have 7 aces and Ana:angel: must to use medical (she down on floor in that moment) and also eat several bananas to continue that match.

FED CUP week just week after AO is worst part of 2009 WTA shedule, but if we ignore that, this is by far best WTA calendar ever b/c that 3 new mandatory tournaments which garantee insted 6 from past - 9 big finals in future per season since next year (that is 50% more than in past :drool:).

they (Momo and Bartoli, Tati was injured) didn't play against China b/c the Paris-indoor was next after FED-cup, and not b/c they played too many matches at the AO. this is another problem... tournaments next after the Fed-cup. :p

but you're right some points.

Maria Croft
Mar 12th, 2008, 08:46 AM
So the calendar posted is already outdated?

Well I guess we have to wait, I hope they improve the one that was posted here a lot by the time it's 2009.

DutchieGirl
Mar 12th, 2008, 09:50 AM
What does it look like?

It looks like crap basically :p

:yeah: Exactly what I've been saying. ;) So much for "stramlined" calendar...yah right! :lol:

DutchieGirl
Mar 12th, 2008, 09:52 AM
So the calendar posted is already outdated?

Well I guess we have to wait, I hope they improve the one that was posted here a lot by the time it's 2009.

Not "outdated", just not 100% complete and finalised. :)

DutchieGirl
Mar 12th, 2008, 09:54 AM
Best WTA shedule ever by far b/c out of Slams and YEC - instead only Miami now will be 4 big events with huge money prize (more than 4.000.000U$D per event) and mandatory status which means in average we will have every month some tournament with "perfect field" (all healthy TOP50 will play) next season (4 slams + 4 "WTA masters" + YEC)!

Indian Wells (not like now, but like mandatory), Beijing (not like tier-II in past, but like real "womans masters" mandatory) and Madrid (WTA clay "masters", in first debut bigger than Rome or Berlin ever be) will realy :rocker2: next season.

Only stupid thing in new shedule is repeated mistake from this season - FED CUP just week after Australian Open which is simple unhuman for FED CUP matches which will be played in Europe or America for all players with full january Australian shedule.

I'm not biggest fan of Larry Scott at all, but all credits to him because this revolutionary changes of WTA tour Calendar since next year. Is anybody here have exactly "scoring system" (ranking points distribution) which will be used for this 4 womans masters and for all others tournaments in 2009 (no more tier's since 2009)???

lmao - I TOTALLY disagree with pretty much everything you say. BTW, I know you only say Fed Cup after AO is stupid coz of Ana/Jelena this year. :p Now they are in group 2, they don't have to play until the weekend after Ao anyway. :p

DutchieGirl
Mar 12th, 2008, 09:58 AM
IW and Miami is two-weekers with day of play and day of pause shedule. It's works perfect in ATP where both have same mandatory status so i expect same thing since next season in WTA that elite players is redy to play on high level whole march. Rome-Madrid 2009 case is same like IW-Miami, but from past, not future. Now Miami>>IW (mandatory and with more than 1.5M$ bigger money prize) and that will be case with Madrid>>Rome in 2009.

Wimbledon is oldest tournament (since XIX century!) but except tradition they will never change date b/c practical reasons b/c this two weeks is proven like rainless time in London with best UK weather conditions for some tennis tournament.

Your'e complaining about Fed CUp after AO, but you don't think that playing 4 big weeks in a row (yes, even with days off) is gonna produce good tennis from the top players the whole time? No way in hell. Same with Rome & Madrid.

Veritas
Mar 12th, 2008, 11:07 AM
Here is a Early List posted here earlier, it may be chanced since, I Hope!

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/1607/20070628wtacalendarblogjb1.jpg

Would it have made more sense to move either Indian Wells or Miami to a date between Wimbledon and the US Open?

Or better yet, transfer either one's status to Toronto/Montreal? America's got enough tournaments, and Canada's been consistent in attracting big names in the past.

It doesn't make sense to shove two major tiers so close to one another.

Andy.
Mar 12th, 2008, 11:12 AM
The 3 weeks after Wimbledon :help: :tape:
I know that part is a bit :tape::help:well at least it gives the top players a bit of a break

C.MARTINEZ
Mar 12th, 2008, 11:15 AM
Madrid :hearts::hearts:

wateva
Mar 12th, 2008, 12:12 PM
i hope they have one in singapore! :)

TomTennis
Mar 12th, 2008, 12:19 PM
For those saying that the players need one mroe week off between Bejing and the YEC, the TOP players that have already qualified for the YEC weeks ago will no doubt NOT play Moscow, giving them two weeks off before the YEC. Moscow will be the tournament for those ranked 7-11 in the race, hoping to qualify at the last minute.

TomTennis
Mar 12th, 2008, 12:21 PM
Looks pretty decent to me.

With all the injuries and with-drawels, Im very curious to see how the new "mandatory masters" events across each surface will work. Will be very interesting to see next year.

goldenlox
Mar 12th, 2008, 02:23 PM
If some of the top players are Russian, they should be playing Moscow.
Anna's going to play, even if she's in the YEC. Sharapova plays Moscow, but is always out by Wednesday.
They all should be in Moscow.

TheBoiledEgg
Mar 12th, 2008, 03:17 PM
off season is too long
season should be ending in final week in November

space out the tournaments.

the top players all have a break, and MOST know how to schedule properly.

they all gonna be flying day after day playing useless Exho's anyway, whilst the players that need to play will be playing ITF's

esquímaux
Mar 12th, 2008, 03:42 PM
Jesus Christ (of Latter Day Saints ;)) already looking forward to '09? Surely that says something about the LESS THAN HALF FINISHED season we are currently in :tape: :tape: :tape:

Nicolás89
Mar 12th, 2008, 05:08 PM
IW and Miami is two-weekers with day of play and day of pause shedule. It's works perfect in ATP where both have same mandatory status so i expect same thing since next season in WTA that elite players is redy to play on high level whole march. Rome-Madrid 2009 case is same like IW-Miami, but from past, not future. Now Miami>>IW (mandatory and with more than 1.5M$ bigger money prize) and that will be case with Madrid>>Rome in 2009.

But Rome is going to be played in only one week, unlike Madrid, Miami and IW.

Cp6uja
Mar 12th, 2008, 05:35 PM
Your'e complaining about Fed CUp after AO, but you don't think that playing 4 big weeks in a row (yes, even with days off) is gonna produce good tennis from the top players the whole time? No way in hell. Same with Rome & Madrid.You obviously not understand my point what is wrong with playing FED CUP next week after AO. Fact that top players is tired (phisicaly and mentaly) is only one part of problem. Biggest problem is adaptation and aclimations of theys bodies (after long fly) at totaly different time zones and that is reason why i notice only FED CUP matches which will be played in Europe and America (but that is about 80% matches of WG1, WG2 and zones where played countries with some TOP100 players). No problems in that week for matches which will be played again in Australia or for example in Japan or New Zeland or Indonesia... etc... But for players which lived, prepared and played in Australia (count there some tournament in Hong-Kong or New Zeland from similar time-zone with Melbourne) between end of december and almost whole janury (and that is case with mostly TOP100 players) is awfull shock for they bodies if must play already next week after theys comeback in Europe or North (or South) America without aclimations.

On other hand it's nothing dramatic for you if you must play after California in Florida or after Italy in Spain, especialy b/c wheater conditions is very similar and surface also (but most difficult change is always time-zone and belive me nothing is same when you compare 1-2-3 hours time-zone difference between two USA or two Europian locations with 10-11-12 total time-zone change after comeback from Australia).

But Rome is going to be played in only one week, unlike Madrid, Miami and IW.I think Madrid and Beijing will be 1-weekers, but mandatory (like all masters in ATP except IW and Miami) and that means will be played 56 WTA best players (in IW and Miami 96 best and at slams 128 best). So "only" difference between Rome and Madrid will be that in Madrid will be play all TOP50 worlds players and Rome will probably miss atleast half of TOP10 or TOP20, and b/c Madrid will be mandatory with realy big money prizes and with more ranking points - nobody will calculate they results so that will be something which we out of slams in past have only at Miami... some kind of "fifth slam", "mini-slam" (also means for Beijing, and of course both two-weekers IW and Miami).

TomTennis
Mar 12th, 2008, 06:16 PM
Jesus Christ (of Latter Day Saints ;)) already looking forward to '09? Surely that says something about the LESS THAN HALF FINISHED season we are currently in :tape: :tape: :tape:

I merely said that I was looking forward to "how the mandatory events" will work out, doesnt translate into me meaning that I am sick of this season and cant wait for 09!!?!???? :tape:

Im sure I speak for everyone else that has posted in this thread as well. We're discussing the SCHEDULE, not the actual 09 season :rolleyes:

DutchieGirl
Mar 12th, 2008, 08:27 PM
You obviously not understand my point what is wrong with playing FED CUP next week after AO. Fact that top players is tired (phisicaly and mentaly) is only one part of problem. Biggest problem is adaptation and aclimations of theys bodies (after long fly) at totaly different time zones and that is reason why i notice only FED CUP matches which will be played in Europe and America (but that is about 80% matches of WG1, WG2 and zones where played countries with some TOP100 players). No problems in that week for matches which will be played again in Australia or for example in Japan or New Zeland or Indonesia... etc... But for players which lived, prepared and played in Australia (count there some tournament in Hong-Kong or New Zeland from similar time-zone with Melbourne) between end of december and almost whole janury (and that is case with mostly TOP100 players) is awfull shock for they bodies if must play already next week after theys comeback in Europe or North (or South) America without aclimations.

On other hand it's nothing dramatic for you if you must play after California in Florida or after Italy in Spain, especialy b/c wheater conditions is very similar and surface also (but most difficult change is always time-zone and belive me nothing is same when you compare 1-2-3 hours time-zone difference between two USA or two Europian locations with 10-11-12 total time-zone change after comeback from Australia).

I think Madrid and Beijing will be 1-weekers, but mandatory (like all masters in ATP except IW and Miami) and that means will be played 56 WTA best players (in IW and Miami 96 best and at slams 128 best). So "only" difference between Rome and Madrid will be that in Madrid will be play all TOP50 worlds players and Rome will probably miss atleast half of TOP10 or TOP20, and b/c Madrid will be mandatory with realy big money prizes and with more ranking points - nobody will calculate they results so that will be something which we out of slams in past have only at Miami... some kind of "fifth slam", "mini-slam" (also means for Beijing, and of course both two-weekers IW and Miami).

I understand your point VERY well - you obviously don't understand what everyone else is saying - that not many players are playing Fed Cup who are making the semi's of the AO. Only 8 players even make the QF's...that gives them well over a week. And if these top players should be fit enough to play the equivalent of 1.5 gs's in a row (IW & Miami), or worse with Madrid & Rome, then they should be able to cope with having to fly to Europe after the AO to have a week off to prepare for Fed CUp. Yes, it's unfortunately for the players who make the final and then have to play the next weekend, but they still have a week to recover as the AO final in on Saturday, and Fed Cup wil be the FOLLOWING Saturday. I'm sorry, but I have flown from Aus to Europe heaps of times, and it doesn't take a week to get over jet lag. Besides, the players are travelling to weird timezomes all the time, so it's not really an argument. I appreciate the few players who do go far at the AO *may* be tired during Fed Cup, but that will be more of a rarity than a certainty. And just because one of your faves lost 2 sets to lower ranked players deosn't exactly proove that Fed Cup is at the wrong time, as at least one of those she lost a set to had just made the finals of two $10k's the 2 weeks before, so she couldn't possibly have been tired too right? (Yes, OK she didn't have to fly so far, but it's not like she had been sitting around doing nothing and was totally refreshed). So I do UNDERSTAND what you are saying, I just don't AGREE with it. :) And why do the players need to acclimatise? Are they playing outside in the snow in Europe after having played in the sun? Or are some of the countries too cold to have heating in the stadiums? :tape: Come off it! Like players don't go and play in Asia at the end of the year, and then go to Europe...sae thing with "acclimatisation" and I don't hear any of them talking about that.

kittyking
Mar 12th, 2008, 08:29 PM
Do we have a more definative schedule for next year yet?

DutchieGirl
Mar 12th, 2008, 08:30 PM
Do we have a more definative schedule for next year yet?

If you read the thread, you'll have your answer. :p

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 12th, 2008, 08:37 PM
For those saying that the players need one mroe week off between Bejing and the YEC, the TOP players that have already qualified for the YEC weeks ago will no doubt NOT play Moscow, giving them two weeks off before the YEC. Moscow will be the tournament for those ranked 7-11 in the race, hoping to qualify at the last minute.

WTA Roadmap said Rome, Cincinnati, Candian Open and Moscow all would get seven Top-10 players in their draws. Don't know though how WTA could force players to show up there.

VeeJJ
Mar 12th, 2008, 09:46 PM
They put Bali, Moscow, and Luxemborg right before the SEC. this could help the 9, 10,11,12th ranked players sneak into the championships if they do well.

kittyking
Mar 13th, 2008, 01:40 AM
If you read the thread, you'll have your answer. :p

I'm meaning in terms of a list of dates and whether or not the tournament has been confirmed ;)

Cp6uja
Mar 13th, 2008, 01:53 AM
I have three questions about 2009 shedule and please for answer if somebody have any information:

1) Is anybody knows anything about new 2009 ranking points distribution? No more tiers so are WTA points system will be now something like in ATP (slams like now, other 4 mandatory 500pts...etc per round like at ATP masters... former tier-I something like tier-II now...etc).

2) Will be changes in YEC race since 2009 b/c now will be limeted especialy for TOP10 players to play all tournaments which they want?

3) Will october mandatory will be Beijing or it will be China Open (one season in Beijing and next season in Shangai) like Canada Open (Montreal/Toronto year after year)?

mckyle.
Mar 13th, 2008, 02:37 AM
That's a tough end of the year. Beijing Moscow and back to Doha.

Really unfair to the Russian players in the Top 8. They are kinda obligated to play Moscow, but then have to travel to Dubai.

archie4
Mar 13th, 2008, 05:31 AM
I have three questions about 2009 shedule and please for answer if somebody have any information:

1) Is anybody knows anything about new 2009 ranking points distribution? No more tiers so are WTA points system will be now something like in ATP (slams like now, other 4 mandatory 500pts...etc per round like at ATP masters... former tier-I something like tier-II now...etc).

2) Will be changes in YEC race since 2009 b/c now will be limeted especialy for TOP10 players to play all tournaments which they want?

3) Will october mandatory will be Beijing or it will be China Open (one season in Beijing and next season in Shangai) like Canada Open (Montreal/Toronto year after year)?
First, the point system will be completely changed, but I'm not sure anyone knows what it will look like yet. There will probably be four or five levels: Grand Slams, "Crown Jewel" Tournaments (IW, Miami, Madrid, Beijing), remaining top-tier events (former tier I's and II's), and former tier III's and IV's. There may still be seperate levels in the lower level tournaments (current III/IV's), but I'm pretty sure the remaining I/II's will be grouped together to create a single tier.

I honestly have no idea about your second question. However, I have heard speculation about your final question. As of now, the October mandatory will be in Beijing (at new the Olympic Tennis Centre). The ATP is moving their Fall mandatory from Madrid to Shanghai beginning next year (since Madrid will the new combined clay Masters). There were rumblings of the men's and women's China tournaments alternating in the future (like Canada), but for now the plan is too keep the two events seperate. This could definitely change, since both the ATP and WTA are revamping their respective schedules.

Cp6uja
Mar 13th, 2008, 10:20 AM
First, the point system will be completely changed, but I'm not sure anyone knows what it will look like yet. There will probably be four or five levels: Grand Slams, "Crown Jewel" Tournaments (IW, Miami, Madrid, Beijing), remaining top-tier events (former tier I's and II's), and former tier III's and IV's. There may still be seperate levels in the lower level tournaments (current III/IV's), but I'm pretty sure the remaining I/II's will be grouped together to create a single tier.

I honestly have no idea about your second question. However, I have heard speculation about your final question. As of now, the October mandatory will be in Beijing (at new the Olympic Tennis Centre). The ATP is moving their Fall mandatory from Madrid to Shanghai beginning next year (since Madrid will the new combined clay Masters). There were rumblings of the men's and women's China tournaments alternating in the future (like Canada), but for now the plan is too keep the two events seperate. This could definitely change, since both the ATP and WTA are revamping their respective schedules.Thanks atleast for sharing some informations here about this important questions without answers (1 & 2). "Revolutionary" changes in WTA shedule since 2009 is now old news, but still no informations about next logical step - how all of this new categories of WTA tournaments will be ranked in future and what will be with YEC race after this changes? If i understand you "the point system will be completely changed" means actualy "must be changed b/c no more tier-I, tier-II, tier-III, tier-IV tournaments..." but that is obvious. My real question is - will new points distribution will be next step to actualy "equal" system with ATP with ranking points GS (W=1000,F=700,...), Masters (W=500,F=350,...) and other W=300, W=250 and W=200 tournaments? In current system Miami is already mandatory and his money prize (more than 3.5M) is much bigger than other tier-I (mostly 1.3M) but if we look points distribution - no big difference (500/350/... vs 430/300/...). If they will use same formula like ATP this 4 "Crown Jewel" mandatory Tournaments will be realy very special (if difference between theys and other non-mandatory tournaments will be huge in points).

My 2nd question is total mistery (i never find nothing about that) - but that is very logical question "what after with YEC race" if WTA will establish all that limits for TOP10 players participations at other non-mandatory tournaments. That will be something new which we never have in WTA or ATP either before. In that case old simple rule that you will reach for YEC race all points which you reach across season will be totaly unfair b/c for example WTA#15 ranked player without all that limits will be in much better position to reach TOP8 in race (playing much more tournaments) than for example WTA#5. Also if some player finish some season with YEC final or semifinal that will very help her to stay in TOP10 next season (she will lose all this points not till last week) but b/c that she will be limited to play at much more tournaments than non-TOP10 player, so no sense that player with success at some YEC will be "punish" b/c that success in race for nex YEC!? For me logical answer will be - no more two rankings and YEC will play WTA TOP8 before last week (but without points from last season YEC). That means will be counted 4GS+big4+8BestOfRest like for players ranking, but that is only my speculation, i never find any official or unofficial information about this new problem.

About 3rd question, thanks for answer... that means it's still only rummors and nothing official that in China we will have same WTA/ATP Montreal/Toronto scenario like in Canada.