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petra martinnen
Mar 10th, 2008, 12:38 PM
The Hilton Cup challenger was telecast in the USA. Mlle. Pin was victorious! The woefully poor announcers mispronounced Camille Pin's name for the entire match! This they often do with East European names such as Dushevina,Dementieva etc. It is so bad that many players just accept the mispronunciations as their brand new names:Sharapova,Vaidisova and others! Now Mlle. Pin was the victim of the laziness and disrespect. They do not even bother to ask the player or coach. How rude and even arrogant! They do pronounce Henin correctly now,though early in her career she too was a victim.

partbrit
Mar 10th, 2008, 03:40 PM
I've been complaining about this for years. If you are paid to TALK, and you don't even bother to learn how to pronounce the words you have to say, that makes you incompetent. The fact that it is people's names also makes you rude. And on top of that, they like to brag about how they can't pronounce the players' names correctly. I wish the players were more assertive about this issues. On the other hand, check this (http://thedeesdiversion.blogspot.com/search?q=claudia) out.

DefyingGravity
Mar 10th, 2008, 03:47 PM
Examples of this:

Justine Henin literally Henin' (Heh-nin)

Elena Dementieva (deh-mehn-tee-AY-vah, which is what I say, but I know it's wrong; DEH-MEHN-tYAY-vah...Mary Joe and Corina Morariu...the British and deh-MEHN-cheh-vah...makes my skin crawl)

Anna Chakvetadze (ESPN's favorite...chak-veh-DOT-zee...who's that?)

Vera Dushevina (I think it's supposed to be doo-SHEV-nah, but I could be wrong...they go like it's spelled Doucheveena)

Daniela Hantuchova (for many years, she was Daniela Hahn-TOO-koh-vah...then in the video games, Hahn-too-CHO-vah, and then now, Hahn-too-KOH-vah...don't ask me which one I think is right...but I know it's not the video game one...)

Rafael Nadal (ESPN loves RAH-phee-el...wtf is that?)

Lunaris
Mar 10th, 2008, 04:30 PM
Daniela Hantuchova (for many years, she was Daniela Hahn-TOO-koh-vah...then in the video games, Hahn-too-CHO-vah, and then now, Hahn-too-KOH-vah...don't ask me which one I think is right...but I know it's not the video game one...)
None is correct naturally, English native speakers simply can't pronounce the "ch" correctly, unless they heard it somewhere else, and even then they would have difficulties with it. Besides the last "a" is also totally mispronounced, it should be lengthened like "vaah" (like in almost all czech and slovak female surnames).
It's easy to say the commentators are not prepared but believe me when I say the slavic names in general are very hard to pronounce for English speaking people. On the other hand for example Vaidišová's surname isn't that hard. Instead of "s" in the middle of her surname be sure to say "sh" and add the obligatory "vaah" at the end.

Dave.
Mar 10th, 2008, 04:37 PM
Elena Dementieva (deh-mehn-tee-AY-vah, which is what I say, but I know it's wrong; DEH-MEHN-tYAY-vah...Mary Joe and Corina Morariu...the British and deh-MEHN-cheh-vah...makes my skin crawl)



That's the correct one, isn't it?

plantman
Mar 10th, 2008, 04:56 PM
Not trying to be offensive, but what's the big deal?

Tomato/Tomahto
Neither/Niether
Either/Eyether

People pronounce things differently all the time!:)

You're going to support your fav whether her names pronounced correctly or not!

DefyingGravity
Mar 10th, 2008, 06:01 PM
That's the correct one, isn't it?

According to the WTA website...it'd be deh-MEHNT-yeh-vuh

deh-MEHN-cheh-vah is the closest!

Wannabeknowitall
Mar 10th, 2008, 08:41 PM
I was more annoyed about Corina not knowing anything about Asia's opponents than mispronunciations.

Bychkova did beat Kuznetsova at the US Open.
Camille Pin almost beat Sharapova at the Australian Open.

But she knew a whole lot about paddleball.
Must have been something to look at over there. :tape:

vw.
Mar 10th, 2008, 09:56 PM
They're all bad, but Tracy Austin's pronounciation of Molik bothers me the most.
She pronounces it "Mull-ick" which COMPLETELY grinds my gears.

partbrit
Mar 10th, 2008, 10:00 PM
Not trying to be offensive, but what's the big deal?

a. It's the height of rudeness to not pronounce someone's name correctly.

b. If you are being paid to say words, the least you can do is say those words.

LudwigDvorak
Mar 10th, 2008, 10:09 PM
It's Deh-mench-yeha-vah. Pretty sure at least. I like to pretend I can pronounce Russian but maybe someone who's actually Russian can specify.

Someone once said "Aliss-eeya Molik." :tape: Please tell me that's not right.

Everyone says Barrtoooliii. Isn't it Bahtolee? And it's Camee Pah(soft enunciation for n) for Camille Pin right? I know nothing about French.

And this is also a slightly irksome thing to me--it isn't Kooznetsahvah, it's Kooznetsohvah.

I just say "Hant-oo-koh-vah" and I'm done with it. Some names just aren't worth trying. But I agree overall--I wish commentators could pronounce these names better. No one can do it all perfectly but it's like they don't try.

cheo23
Mar 10th, 2008, 10:17 PM
The Hilton Cup challenger was telecast in the USA. Mlle. Pin was victorious! The woefully poor announcers mispronounced Camille Pin's name for the entire match! This they often do with East European names such as Dushevina,Dementieva etc. It is so bad that many players just accept the mispronunciations as their brand new names:Sharapova,Vaidisova and others! Now Mlle. Pin was the victim of the laziness and disrespect. They do not even bother to ask the player or coach. How rude and even arrogant! They do pronounce Henin correctly now,though early in her career she too was a victim.

Umm Where did you watch this Challenger match?? What channel??

Viktymise
Mar 10th, 2008, 10:47 PM
Lena said herself its pronounced deh-MEHN-cheh-vah to the British commentators which is why they call her that. It sounds pretty right to me.

Midnite Surfer
Mar 10th, 2008, 11:32 PM
If you actually think that all the different nationalities, cultures and any other subgroups I may have missed are going to pronounce each other's names correctly all of the time then you have got another thing coming. Americans get their names mispronounced all the time in other countries but they don't seem to put up a stink about it. Most commentators, American, Asian and European don't even bother to distinguish between Venus and Serena Williams. They usually just refer to them when they are playing as "the Williams", "Ze Williams", "Zer Williams". Forget about it. I'm sure you are more upset than the players actually get.

As long as you spell it right on the check you can call me whatever you want!

Midnite Surfer
Mar 10th, 2008, 11:35 PM
People take themselves way too seriously. I know your mother chose your name because you are very special but there are 6 billion other people in the world who think they are just as special as you and they all want their name pronounced perfectly to the letter.

Get over it Sade!!

plantman
Mar 11th, 2008, 03:55 AM
If you actually think that all the different nationalities, cultures and any other subgroups I may have missed are going to pronounce each other's names correctly all of the time then you have got another thing coming. Americans get their names mispronounced all the time in other countries but they don't seem to put up a stink about it. Most commentators, American, Asian and European don't even bother to distinguish between Venus and Serena Williams. They usually just refer to them when they are playing as "the Williams", "Ze Williams", "Zer Williams". Forget about it. I'm sure you are more upset than the players actually get.

As long as you spell it right on the check you can call me whatever you want!


:yeah:

pav
Mar 11th, 2008, 08:50 AM
I think people get far too precious over name pronunciations,take Henin for example ,english speakers see just that "Hen- in"so why not say that sounds better than some of the stupid attempts you hear from commentators "NR" "Enin" " Enna" "Henner" to hell with all that shit ,just call the bugger Henin. It is like an english speaker will say he/she is going to Paris for a holiday,not Paree. If Yoostine Enna wants to be called so let her swap the J for a Y and drop the H. Hell what have these players got to worry about people often mis pronounce my name, they yell at me and it sounds more like "F*ckin C*nt!" :confused: