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supergrunt
Mar 9th, 2008, 06:47 AM
Right now?

LudwigDvorak
Mar 9th, 2008, 06:48 AM
After she loses to Patty, be sure this thread is bumped. Retirement would be imminent, of course. If she does somehow beat the Crazy One, well, her career being finished is reserved for Venus until Serena loses in Miami/a slam.

supergrunt
Mar 9th, 2008, 06:49 AM
:(

supergrunt
Mar 9th, 2008, 06:49 AM
Because I am a fan of Serena's, that would upset me.

harloo
Mar 9th, 2008, 06:56 AM
After she loses to Patty, be sure this thread is bumped. Retirement would be imminent, of course. If she does somehow beat the Crazy One, well, her career being finished is reserved for Venus until Serena loses in Miami/a slam.

And both Venus and Serena will still have slams unlike the Demented one.:lol::tape:

LudwigDvorak
Mar 9th, 2008, 06:58 AM
:lol: Don't mind me. ;) Just stating what will be the droll in this thread should it reach 10+ posts.

No Name Face
Mar 9th, 2008, 07:06 AM
And both Venus and Serena will still have slams unlike the Demented one.:lol::tape:

...because bringing someone else's favorites into the fray when something negative is said about yours is a sign of a healthy, non-spiteful and well-rounded individual.

to answer the question, she's not as good as she once was, but when she's on, she should still beat anyone who's not a peak HH.

G1Player2
Mar 9th, 2008, 07:10 AM
And both Venus and Serena will still have slams unlike the Demented one.:lol::tape:


:haha:

G1Player2
Mar 9th, 2008, 07:11 AM
After she loses to Patty, be sure this thread is bumped. Retirement would be imminent, of course. If she does somehow beat the Crazy One, well, her career being finished is reserved for Venus until Serena loses in Miami/a slam.

OMG. :weirdo:

harloo
Mar 9th, 2008, 07:20 AM
...because bringing someone else's favorites into the fray when something negative is said about yours is a sign of a healthy, non-spiteful and well-rounded individual.



Assuming nameless/faceless posters on a message board are "spiteful" because they choose to respond to negativity in a manner you don't agree with is ignorant.
:wavey:

supergrunt
Mar 9th, 2008, 07:21 AM
...because bringing someone else's favorites into the fray when something negative is said about yours is a sign of a healthy, non-spiteful and well-rounded individual.

to answer the question, she's not as good as she once was, but when she's on, she should still beat anyone who's not a peak HH.

ha! I laugh

safinismine
Mar 9th, 2008, 07:39 AM
Never rule Serena ( or Venus for that matter) out. I think she has a couple of slams left in her.

viele
Mar 9th, 2008, 08:09 AM
She (and venus) seems to be hitting the ball with much more spin than I remember them hitting with. This is both good and bad. Good because it adds more variety to their games but bad because their shots don't seem to have the same "sting" to them as when they hit flatter. Therefore, more players can retrieve their shots than once could. I think this is a sign of a lack of complete confidence in the shots. If they were more confident, they would be hitting much flatter with a "go for broke" style like they used to. Instead, there is more spin and "loop" on their shots and balls are flying more than I would like to see. It is working for them against the rank and file of the tour, but against the likes of Sharapova, Henin, and Ivanovic, I don't think it's good enough. Hopefully, as they continue to play they will regain confidence and regain the go for broke style with the spin added in for variety.

supergrunt
Mar 9th, 2008, 08:15 AM
She (and venus) seems to be hitting the ball with much more spin than I remember them hitting with. This is both good and bad. Good because it adds more variety to their games but bad because their shots don't seem to have the same "sting" to them as when they hit flatter. Therefore, more players can retrieve their shots than once could. I think this is a sign of a lack of complete confidence in the shots. If they were more confident, they would be hitting much flatter with a "go for broke" style like they used to. Instead, there is more spin and "loop" on their shots and balls are flying more than I would like to see. It is working for them against the rank and file of the tour, but against the likes of Sharapova, Henin, and Ivanovic, I don't think it's good enough. Hopefully, as they continue to play they will regain confidence and regain the go for broke style with the spin added in for variety.


I agree

dawid
Mar 9th, 2008, 08:19 AM
She (and venus) seems to be hitting the ball with much more spin than I remember them hitting with. This is both good and bad. Good because it adds more variety to their games but bad because their shots don't seem to have the same "sting" to them as when they hit flatter. Therefore, more players can retrieve their shots than once could. I think this is a sign of a lack of complete confidence in the shots. If they were more confident, they would be hitting much flatter with a "go for broke" style like they used to. Instead, there is more spin and "loop" on their shots and balls are flying more than I would like to see. It is working for them against the rank and file of the tour, but against the likes of Sharapova, Henin, and Ivanovic, I don't think it's good enough. Hopefully, as they continue to play they will regain confidence and regain the go for broke style with the spin added in for variety.

I totally agree with you. I think Serena's game became too insurance and that's problem.

supergrunt
Mar 9th, 2008, 08:46 AM
http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/2/multimedia/default_video.asp

but she's soo crafty here! :hearts:

OsloErik
Mar 9th, 2008, 09:30 AM
what's good is that she's starting to put together good points one after the other. her biggest problem last year was getting into a rhythm. When you don't play many tournaments, you have to win a pretty good number of matches in order to get into your rhythm for the year. She never really got that. from the look of things, she's starting to get a sense of how to string together 3/4 good points in a row, without making a careless error or letting her footwork get sloppy, and she's not letting those one or two errors here and there get her down.

So in other words, he game still isn't perfect (or even at 2002/2003 level, which was near-perfect) but she's looking much more consistent and smart on court than she did a year ago, where from point to point you never really knew what you would get. I'm optimistic. PLUS, the spin she's putting on the ball bodes well as clay season approaches. The clay is better for her body, especially if she's sliding properly (which she knew how to do for a couples seasons).

viele
Mar 9th, 2008, 09:33 AM
http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/2/multimedia/default_video.asp

but she's soo crafty here! :hearts:

I agree that her game has become a bit more crafty and it is definitely fun to see but what made her so great and tough to beat (and venus!) was her mind-blowing power shots! If she could regain those shots in addition to the craftiness we're seeing now AND keep her fitness up, I think she can return to her former glory!

supergrunt
Mar 9th, 2008, 09:36 AM
that was actually the wrong link lol I meant her qf match

Forehand_Volley
Mar 9th, 2008, 09:38 AM
After she loses to Patty, be sure this thread is bumped. Retirement would be imminent, of course.
Given that Serena has only won 5 tournaments since Wimbledon 2003, I'm doubtful a loss to Patty in the finals of a Tier II tournament in 2008 would send her into retirement.

As long as she feels she can win Grand Slam events, she'll continue to play.

Demska
Mar 9th, 2008, 10:04 AM
Horrible.

After watching an hour highlights, she was spinning in her second serve at no more than 80mph, her movement was hideous. Give her until the end of the year.

So Disrespectful
Mar 9th, 2008, 10:30 AM
How can I put this nicely?

She's playing to her weight at the moment, sadly.

Dodoboy.
Mar 9th, 2008, 11:23 AM
Her serve is THE BEST at the moment!
Her second serve is really just in a league of it's own from last night (at some points)

Her forehand is REALLY good...espiecally of the return but a little high bounce and she could be in trouble :tape:

Her backhand is still good but most of the winners yesterday where coming from the forehand side.

But best of all i think her net play has really improved and even in the doubles her net play was really good and it has transcended into singles!

So overall :yeah:

I shall re-write this if she loses to Patty :lol:

Dodoboy.
Mar 9th, 2008, 11:24 AM
She is still quite sluggish.

COming off her huge serve motion she doesn't get ready quick enough to hit a ball!

Craigy
Mar 9th, 2008, 12:12 PM
Gamerena? Sweetpeas?

Adal
Mar 9th, 2008, 12:26 PM
Gamerena? Sweetpeas?
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d5/digital_talent/face.jpg

bandabou
Mar 9th, 2008, 12:46 PM
Only thing that seems like Serena can't get it back is the movement...serve is still there, forehand is a weapon specially on return...but maybe she needs to start hit flatter, because the movement isn't there anymore?

bwahahahahaha
Mar 9th, 2008, 12:57 PM
It sucks.

No Name Face
Mar 9th, 2008, 02:14 PM
ha! I laugh

laugh all you want but a non-peak serena lost to a peak henin 3 out of 4 times and henin should have actually won the 4th encounter being up 6-0, 5-4* with two match points

:rolleyes:

i'm not saying that henin is better, but she played better than serena last year.

starin
Mar 9th, 2008, 02:56 PM
How can I put this nicely?

She's playing to her weight at the moment, sadly.

:worship: I love this.
Sums it up very nicely.

frontier
Mar 9th, 2008, 03:05 PM
Serena benefits from playing more ,I remember after winning Miami 2002 she said to Pam Shriver that her mother said if she wants to move from no.7 she has to play more events and that she is going to Europe to address that.Thats when she started to play more winning more and got more confident and by July she was no.1.She should play more to become match tough,poor play can be attributed to not playing enough.

cellophane
Mar 9th, 2008, 03:06 PM
What do you think of Serena's game

It's too Serena? right now for it to be Serena!!!!

DemWilliamsGulls
Mar 9th, 2008, 03:14 PM
All Venus and Serena needs to do is play in a tournament like they played back in 2002 and you all will see that they are still the best tennis players on the tour. Right now they are older, dont play tennis alot, and do other things outside of tennis. Same thing happened to Pete Sampras, but when he found his game at the US open b4 he retired, NOBODY could beat him.

melville
Mar 9th, 2008, 03:21 PM
Serena don't impress me much. She may win the Bangalore tournament, but that achievement don't differ much from my own, which was reaching the second round of qualifying. As a matter facts, she did'nt even have to play qualifying matches, which gave her an unfair advantage.

Yours,
Alexandra Stevenson

cellophane
Mar 9th, 2008, 03:22 PM
Serena don't impress me much. She may win the Bangalore tournament, but that achievement don't differ much from my own, which was reaching the second round of qualifying. As a matter facts, she did'nt even have to play qualifying matches, which gave her an unfair advantage.

Yours,
Alexandra Stevenson

:rolls: :spit:

Dodoboy.
Mar 9th, 2008, 03:34 PM
Serena don't impress me much. She may win the Bangalore tournament, but that achievement don't differ much from my own, which was reaching the second round of qualifying. As a matter facts, she did'nt even have to play qualifying matches, which gave her an unfair advantage.

Yours,
Alexandra Stevenson

:o

LCS
Mar 9th, 2008, 03:55 PM
Gamerena? Sweetpeas?

LOLOL :lol:


Missed supergrunt's threads....:( :lol:

Steffica Greles
Mar 9th, 2008, 04:04 PM
Rusty, and I don't think either of them are as quick as they once were. They both look a little lacklustre at times.

But Serena does look a lot fitter. I actually at first couldn't tell which was Venus and which was Serena in those clips, so there might be hope for Serena yet.

We'll see.

danieln1
Mar 9th, 2008, 04:15 PM
Her forehand has something weird on it, maybe the follow through I don´t know, I think in the past it was better! Anyway, it is still causing major damage...

Destiny
Mar 9th, 2008, 04:40 PM
Forehand has been good so far !!!

Don't think she used her doublehander that often ???

Geisha
Mar 9th, 2008, 04:50 PM
Serena benefits from playing more ,I remember after winning Miami 2002 she said to Pam Shriver that her mother said if she wants to move from no.7 she has to play more events and that she is going to Europe to address that.Thats when she started to play more winning more and got more confident and by July she was no.1.She should play more to become match tough,poor play can be attributed to not playing enough.

Everybody has known this for some time now. But, the problem is that it is sort of like a vicious cycle.

Serena plays better when she plays tournaments consistently. But, when she plays tournaments consistently she gets injured. When she gets injured, she can't practice, and starts from scratch again.

I've always thought Serena just needs to play a steady schedule. If she only plays ten tournaments, then they need to be scheduled correctly. Sort of like this:

Melbourne
Bangalore
Miami
Charleston
Rome
Paris
Wimbledon
Los Angeles
Canada
New York
Moscow/Stuttgart/Etc.

That's just an off-the-top-of-my-head example. But, you get my drift.

Geisha
Mar 9th, 2008, 04:51 PM
The schedule above also gives her a chance to recover from each tournament. She'll go into Miami with a high from Bangalore. She'll play Rome going into the French Open, two tournaments going into New York. And, even a tournament going into Madrid or wherever.

friendsita
Mar 9th, 2008, 04:52 PM
And both Venus and Serena will still have slams unlike the Demented one.:lol::tape:

So true!

CR3WLFC
Mar 9th, 2008, 06:53 PM
i just want her to get back to her best and we can have some good matches this year !!!!!!!!!

Bruno71
Mar 9th, 2008, 10:08 PM
Serena's game seems quite off to me, since Rome of last year at least. It might be true what Richard says about the knee, because she doesn't seem to get up high enough on her serve a lot of the time, and rarely bends down well enough to time a lot of her shots, especially when she's on the run or having to move backwards. She still hits the ball as hard as anybody, but against good defenders, having to hit the extra shot often ends up problematic. Serena's movement won her the '07 AO in my opinion, and it seems to have deserted her in the past year.

sammy01
Mar 9th, 2008, 10:50 PM
serenas movement around the ball is alarmingly bad right now by her standards. all the little steps have gone and shes got very lazy in this department. shes obviously not as quick as she used to be. her serve is still the best on tour and her backhand can still be amazing, if she gets the footwork right. she pulls up on the forehand way too much now for my liking, but again i think shes has started doing this to compensate not being in perfect position when she hits it. volleys can be very good wnen shes comes in on quality.

overall the biggest diffence for me form 02 to now is her footwork around the ball, this in turn harms the rest of her game as shes not in position to strike the ball as hard and cleanly as she wants.

PamShriver
Mar 10th, 2008, 12:37 AM
Why was she wearing lycra shorts during her match against Vee? Was it cold or is it for fitness reasons. I don't think she looks particularly fit right now, but I could be wrong.

BK4ever
Mar 10th, 2008, 12:59 AM
she needs to lose 10-15 lbs...

bridgepea
Mar 10th, 2008, 01:05 AM
To all Serena fans, sorry if this has been posted before, but listen to this:
http://www.nikesportmusicmedia.com/images/SerenaWilliams_Interval_Promo.mp3

Corswandt
Mar 10th, 2008, 01:08 AM
serenas movement around the ball is alarmingly bad right now by her standards. all the little steps have gone and shes got very lazy in this department. shes obviously not as quick as she used to be. her serve is still the best on tour and her backhand can still be amazing, if she gets the footwork right. she pulls up on the forehand way too much now for my liking, but again i think shes has started doing this to compensate not being in perfect position when she hits it. volleys can be very good wnen shes comes in on quality.

overall the biggest diffence for me form 02 to now is her footwork around the ball, this in turn harms the rest of her game as shes not in position to strike the ball as hard and cleanly as she wants.

Another great post. "Must spread reputation around..."

pov
Mar 10th, 2008, 02:23 AM
As a newbie I just want to give props to this thread. A lot of great analysis.