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pov
Mar 6th, 2008, 07:56 PM
This from an AP article (http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_ylt=ApIi5iZ54RG9XIT240EdbZ04v7YF?slug=ap-timdahlberg-030508&prov=ap&type=lgns):

"Tennis is on fragile ground as it is. The sport has been in a funk for decades in the United States and is barely noticed outside the major championships.

Television ratings are anemic, and only hardcore fans can name any decent rivalries.

All it needs is a good scandal to kill it off completely."

The word that gets me is anemic. I posted about getting on ESPN's case and almost no one even viewed the post. There is no other sport I can think of where that would happen.

If you truly love the sport, do something to help promote it.

Bada Bing
Mar 6th, 2008, 08:07 PM
What like?

goldenlox
Mar 6th, 2008, 08:08 PM
2007 - A Record Year for Tennishttp://www.norcal.usta.com/pix/1.gifhttp://www.norcal.usta.com/pix/1.gif12/21/07 6:20 PM
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http://www.norcal.usta.com/pix/1.gifhttp://www.norcal.usta.com/pix/1.gifhttp://www.norcal.usta.com/pix/1.gifhttp://www.norcal.usta.com/pix/1.gifhttp://www.norcal.usta.com/pix/1.gifhttp://www.norcal.usta.com/pix/1.gifhttp://www.norcal.usta.com/pix/1.gif2007 -- A RECORD YEAR FOR TENNIS IN THE U.S.
Records Set for US Open Attendance and US Open Series TV Viewership
Number of People Playing Tennis Tops 25 Million
U.S. Captures Davis Cup Title for First Time in 12 Years
http://www.norcal.usta.com/pix/1.gifhttp://picsrv.usta.com/?fif=/usta/norcal/img_56_2161_4383.jpg&obj=iip,1.0&wid=390&hei=344&rgn=0,0,0,0&cvt=jpeghttp://www.norcal.usta.com/pix/1.gifWHITE PLAINS, N.Y., December 20, 2007 -- The USTA today announced that the sport of tennis in the United States grew on every level in 2007 - - from local communities to the highest level of the professional game. One of the strongest years in nearly two decades, tennis in the U.S. set records in event attendance, television viewership and recreational participation. Record highlights include:


All-Time US Open Attendance Record: The 2007 US Open final attendance total of 715,587 far surpassed the previous all-time high of 659,538 set in 2005. US Open attendance has grown by more than 100,000 since 2000. Total attendance of all pro tennis events in North America topped 2.8 million.
Record-Breaking Viewership for US Open Series: US Open Series television viewership topped 46 million for the first time, more than doubling in the four years since the Series launch. In total, 121 million viewers tuned in to the US Open and US Open Series tournaments.
Fastest-Growing Participation of any Major Sport Since 2000: More than 25 million Americans are now playing tennis. This increase in participation has fueled the four best consecutive years of growth for industry sales since the 1970’s.
All-Time High USTA and USTA Northern California Membership: More than 720,000 members for the first time in history, and a record high of 46,511 members in USTA Northern California.
United States Wins Davis Cup: The U.S. captured its first Davis Cup title in 12 years. “The USTA has a longstanding commitment to grow the game at every level,” said Jane Brown Grimes, President and Chairman of the Board, USTA. “It is very encouraging to see so many record-breaking numbers, proving that tennis is again on the rise in the U.S. From the game’s grassroots to the professional level, we have tremendous momentum heading into 2008.”
“We will remember 2007 as a great year for tennis - - with more people attending, watching and playing the sport,” said Arlen Kantarian, CEO, Professional Tennis, USTA. “Professional tennis in the U.S. is setting new records and is strongly positioned to further engage fans in 2008 and beyond. We, along with our key partners, will continue to look for new, innovative ways to showcase and grow the game.”

“Our goal is to get more people playing tennis, and to get all tennis players playing more often,” said Kurt Kamperman, Chief Executive, Community Tennis, USTA. “Record participation and membership numbers are evidence that our efforts are producing results. We’ll be launching new and exciting grassroots initiatives in the coming year to keep those numbers growing.”


http://www.norcal.usta.com/NEWS/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=517385&itype=1941

starin
Mar 6th, 2008, 08:10 PM
it's not dead but it's on life support in the U.S.
I mean Women's college basketball gets better coverage than tennis. Same with HS men's basketball. lol. That says a lot about where Tennis is.

It peaked from 2000-2003 and never came back. That's men's and womens' tennis. At least in the US that is.

Bada Bing
Mar 6th, 2008, 08:19 PM
It’s funny how attendances are up, yet ever time I switch on, the courts are 50-75% empty.

kris719
Mar 6th, 2008, 08:37 PM
It's true that tennnis is not very popular in the U.S., but there will always be fans. the people who love it, love it...and the people who don't, don't. there's nothing anyone can do about it. there are so many other sports that are popular in the U.S., so it's appeal is somewhat hidden behind the big sports.

pov
Mar 6th, 2008, 08:44 PM
2007 - A Record Year for Tennishttp://www.norcal.usta.com/pix/1.gifhttp://www.norcal.usta.com/pix/1.gif12/21/07 6:20 PM

http://www.norcal.usta.com/NEWS/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=517385&itype=1941

Thanks. I take it that you clicked the article in my original post and emailed that to the writer in response - right?

That's the kind of thing I mean by doing something to promote the sport. It's strange to me that a post about who's the most popular on WTAworld gets a couple thousand views yet posts about increasing the sport's visibility get less than a dozen.

goldenlox
Mar 6th, 2008, 09:09 PM
I knew the USTA put out press releases that tennis is thriving.
The USTA makes a bundle. The USO is a cash cow.
But do casual sports fans follow tennis? In the US, it's almost never on channels that have viewers.
Do I have that right?

Tennisstar86
Mar 6th, 2008, 09:29 PM
I knew the USTA put out press releases that tennis is thriving.
The USTA makes a bundle. The USO is a cash cow.
But do casual sports fans follow tennis? In the US, it's almost never on channels that have viewers.
Do I have that right?

Its almost never on channels that are available... With the launch of "the tennis channel" it pretty much screwed any tennis fan not in a tennis state aka Florida.... Before the tennis channel you could catch a tennis tournament on espn espn 2 every now and then... Now all you've got to look forward to is the GS and the YEC, which are shown on some back end cable channel....

So yes its almost never on channels with viewers cause its never on....

kris719
Mar 6th, 2008, 09:44 PM
true espn rarely shows tennis anymore (outside of the slams), but if you want it badly enough, you can still get decent tennis coverage with the tennis channel. i get along just fine with it.

Tennisstar86
Mar 6th, 2008, 09:46 PM
true espn rarely shows tennis anymore (outside of the slams), but if you want it badly enough, you can still get decent tennis coverage with the tennis channel. i get along just fine with it.

Its not available in all areas....

miffedmax
Mar 6th, 2008, 09:46 PM
I'm adding Tennis Channel to my service soon.

Like it or not, without any Americans likely to win (except maybe the Williams if they show up, maybe) more 'mericans don't care about tennis.

kwilliams
Mar 6th, 2008, 09:46 PM
It's understandable that tennis might be declining in popularity in the U.S. In the early 2000's they had Sampras, Agassi, Venus, Serena, Davenport, Capriati, Roddick and Blake. Now Sampras, Agassi and Capriati are gone and Venus and Serena aren't as dominant as they once were. They along with Davenport are/have been absent a lot too. Also Roddick has not quite lived up to his potential (or his purported potential). I think American tennis stars need to win on home soil and they probably need to win big, not Venus and Davenport taking Memphis.

1998 - Davenport
1999 - Serena
2000 - Venus d. Davenport (all American)
2001 - Venus d. Serena (all American)
2002 - Serena d. Venus (all American)

1999 - Agassi
2002 - Sampras
2003 - Roddick

They used to have players that won big all the time, often on home soil. Hopefully one of the sisters can do America proud in New York this year!

sweetpeas
Mar 6th, 2008, 10:08 PM
Maybe Tracy and other"s will stop bashing their AMERICAN PLAYERS, WTA players....No other country does this?But.they still praise Roddick!!!!!!!!!!!!...How many slams has Roddick won? What up with this story!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wayn77
Mar 6th, 2008, 10:16 PM
*WARNING* waffle alert

It's a shame this great sport continues to decline, unable to make any sort of dent on the mainstream, global audience. Only our small hardcore army keeping the lumbering beast on life support.

The glory days were the late 70s (so I am told). Big audiences, big rivalries, big money - loads of media coverage. The top players all seemed to be foul-mouthed, charismatic stars. The sport itself had a sense of developing something with its heart in the right place. Tennis was deemed sexy.

Here in the UK, interest and media coverage is generally pathetic. The football beast continues to gorge everything in its path. Other big sports desperately tinkering on the margins to get some sort of look-in with in the ratings war.

I guess the pre Rupert Mudoch era was a simpler, slower world. The casual fan respectfully invited to chose their own individual journey and observe the gently unfolding process in their chosen sport. Sport is now business, and big business doesn't deal in any uncertainties - the unforeseen. Mr Murdoch and his ilk are now selling the us the product .... we are invited to buy, and then sod off.

ivanban
Mar 6th, 2008, 10:32 PM
why is thread titled "tennis is dead?" and not "tennis is dead in USA?" :rolleyes:

DefyingGravity
Mar 6th, 2008, 10:35 PM
why is thread titled "tennis is dead?" and not "tennis is dead in USA?" :rolleyes:

YES! Thank you. Tennis is an extremely global sport, and it's reflected in our top ten ladies and men. I think as long as we've got interests coming in from all over the world. Just because the U.S. starts to turn its back on tennis doesn't mean that tennis is dead in general!

Sally Struthers
Mar 6th, 2008, 10:47 PM
It's the stupid tennis channel. Hardly anyone gets it and no one wants to pay for it if they can! :fiery: At least when the PGA and LPGA tours moved to the Golf Channel, it's carried by most cable companies as part of the basic cable package so it's accessible to everyone with cable instead of on one of the preium sports tier packages that cost a lot of money.

sammy01
Mar 6th, 2008, 10:48 PM
well without any americans doing well in the american tournaments your not going to attract the casual viewers.

its the same in the uk, british eurosport go all weak at the knees and stop everything (including jj and pazsek at like 7-7 in the 3rd so we can see the warm up ffs) of andy murray. im sure their viewing figures are at least 50% higher when he is playing than they are normaly. if only we had a decent top 20 women, who was sexy, eurosport would just change its name to the tennis channel then.

the casual american who is a sports fan has like 1000's of sports to choose from hes only going to pick tennis if he can watch an american man or woman win something.

Calvin M.
Mar 6th, 2008, 10:52 PM
Just as long as the local papers, who even post challenger scores if one's held in our area, continue to post the daily scores it's not dead. I'll panic when the day comes that they don't. haha

Tennisstar86
Mar 7th, 2008, 12:56 AM
It's the stupid tennis channel. Hardly anyone gets it and no one wants to pay for it if they can! :fiery: At least when the PGA and LPGA tours moved to the Golf Channel, it's carried by most cable companies as part of the basic cable package so it's accessible to everyone with cable instead of on one of the preium sports tier packages that cost a lot of money.

And even still its NOT available in all areas... I've got the biggest cable package and still dont have the tennis channel.....

lightningquick
Mar 7th, 2008, 02:10 AM
why is thread titled "tennis is dead?" and not "tennis is dead in USA?" :rolleyes:

I agree. Interest in tennis in asia especially is gaining momentum.

hwanmig
Mar 7th, 2008, 02:18 AM
why is thread titled "tennis is dead?" and not "tennis is dead in USA?" :rolleyes:

That's true, their making it sound tennis is just gonna die because they don't play it there anymore. Tennis isn't the same as American football. If they stop playing that then we can say its truly dead because their the only ones playing it..

OZTENNIS
Mar 7th, 2008, 02:29 AM
Tennis does not revolve around the USA...

600 000+ crowds at the Australian Open this year is unheard of

Bada Bing
Mar 7th, 2008, 06:53 PM
Tennis does not revolve around the USA...

600 000+ crowds at the Australian Open this year is unheard of

But most of those who attend are not tennis fans. They go for the ‘one-off’ event and that’s it. They might, just might watch some Wimbledon and that’s as far as it goes. Wimbledon is the very same. It’s main attendees are not tennis fans, they’re just there for the day out and to see Tatiana’s red knickers!

Thieving Magpie
Mar 7th, 2008, 09:15 PM
I don't know for sure if British Eurosport is absolutely the same as the regular unencrypted eurosport we receive in Germany, apart from audio of course. In comparison to what people from the States can see, we can consider ourselves "spoiled brats", especially in women's tennis. Eurosport shows far more women's than men's tennis. AO, Doha, Dubai, Indian Wells, Miami, Berlin, FO, USO, Zurich, Linz, Moskau, YEC, except for Wimbledon which was bought by german Pay TV. If you're a Sharapova fan you get even more spoiled since you can almost count on Eurosport showing her matches, even though their commentators don't seem to like her that much.

Destiny
Mar 7th, 2008, 09:21 PM
Tennis is dead over in Britain IMO

I have just switched from football to tennis and theirs basic coverage it's sad :sad:

frenchie
Mar 7th, 2008, 09:27 PM
Tennis is very popular in France thanks to ES coverage and its wonderful commentators

A lot of my friends are switching from football to tennis

beecharmer
Mar 7th, 2008, 10:16 PM
[quote=sammy01;12655249]well without any americans doing well in the american tournaments your not going to attract the casual viewers.

its the same in the uk, british eurosport go all weak at the knees and stop everything (including jj and pazsek at like 7-7 in the 3rd so we can see the warm up ffs) of andy murray. im sure their viewing figures are at least 50% higher when he is playing than they are normaly. if only we had a decent top 20 women, who was sexy, eurosport would just change its name to the tennis channel then.
This is moronic. Eurosport is a great viewer of sport in general, it never asked to be tennis only, and frankly it has always supported tennis more than the rest of the viewershi

sammy01
Mar 7th, 2008, 10:48 PM
[quote=sammy01;12655249]well without any americans doing well in the american tournaments your not going to attract the casual viewers.

its the same in the uk, british eurosport go all weak at the knees and stop everything (including jj and pazsek at like 7-7 in the 3rd so we can see the warm up ffs) of andy murray. im sure their viewing figures are at least 50% higher when he is playing than they are normaly. if only we had a decent top 20 women, who was sexy, eurosport would just change its name to the tennis channel then.
This is moronic. Eurosport is a great viewer of sport in general, it never asked to be tennis only, and frankly it has always supported tennis more than the rest of the viewershi

you obviously didn't get my point! that british eurosport try to show every andy murray match they can on british eurosport 1. a lot of viewers this week in dubai will have been casual viewers seeing how murray does especialy after it being on the news he beat federer 1st round.

what i was saying is british eurosport show a lot of womens tennis without ever showing british women, therefore dont pick up casual viewers who are being patriotic. i was being sarcastic saying imagine how much more british eurosport would invest in womens tennis if it had a prominent british women to pick up extra viewers. saying they would call themselves 'the tennis channel' was being tounge and cheek' about it. i dont expect them to drop coverage of other sports anytime soon!

BarsonlyOne
Mar 7th, 2008, 10:52 PM
In terms of womens tennis, i think it peaked towards the end of the 90's towards around 03-04' for America. These years in womens tennis had so many TELEVISED great matches. I dont think there was an era in tennis when the game had so many personalities and greats playing at the same time producing high quality tennis drama. There was steffi, monica, arantxa, jana, mary, then there was martina anna venus serena lindsay jennifer kim justine. I mean that list is just amazing. The quality of tennis they brought to the game is just not the same as it is now. I mean, in Grand Slam finals of recent years, where NBC and CBS televises them, we just dont get the same quality and most of the time boring matches. Top players now cant seem to play at top levels consistently enough, and at the most important times when the "world" is watching.

* on a sidenote, Maria Sharapova seems to be the marketable one out of the bunch that appeal to American audiences. Theres just not enough marketability at the top, though Anna and Jelena too have great personalities.

Dave.
Mar 8th, 2008, 01:25 AM
In the USA, they have had a great run of fantastic players. Navratilova, Austin, Evert, Shriver etc. in the 70's and 80's and in the 90's and early part of this decade, they had such a powerful era with Lindsay, Monica, Jennifer, Serena and Venus. It's understandable that now it's dying in the USA.

Over here it's just horrible. It's soo annoying to go to Wimbledon with all these other people there taking up seats and they barely know what's going on (lol they have every right to be there but still i get annoyed). Last year I was watching players practice and some women asks me their names and sounded so shocked that I actually knew them (it was Dementieva, Vaidisova and Mirza ffs). The knowledge of tennis at my club is embarrasing to say the least. People didn't even know Mauresmo's name until she won it. Tennis to most of them is Andy Murray and Roger Federer. The only current women players most people know the names of are Serena and Venus. Some people at my club didn't even know who Henin was, so I never try and bring Davenport up in the convos. :o