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stefi62
Mar 6th, 2008, 12:48 PM
A doubles ranking was created for the first time in 1984, based on the points received for each doubles team in each tournament. Here is a list of all past number one players, ranked following the number of weeks they’ve spent in total at the top (as of April 19th 2010):

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/4281/historyv.jpg (http://img696.imageshack.us/i/historyv.jpg/)
* for active players

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8402/ranks1.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/ranks1.jpg/)
Chronology

stefi62
Mar 6th, 2008, 12:50 PM
I thought I'd put these stats here, that's the right place now!!!

stefi62
Mar 6th, 2008, 01:00 PM
Navratilova :bowdown: :eek: Very impressive number. :)

I've never seen this list before actually. Very interesting. :lol:

It's on Notes and netcords actually, on the WTA website : http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/media/notesandnetcords/
click on the current edition and you'll find it.
I put it also on Cara and Liezel's site, in the Things to know about doubles part, with other stuff. I find it interesting.

I have also a few other stuff from the 2008 media guide, I thought I'd post a few in the next few days, that's interesting to know those stats.

And yeah, Martina rules!!! :rocker:

Dave.
Mar 6th, 2008, 03:11 PM
It's a shame Rennae has only spent 3 weeks as number 1, but she and Lisa were the number 1 team for a couple of years, but it would have been nice for her to spend more time on top of the individual rankings.

This list also shows how much of a legend Natasha is. :worship:She won every Grand Slam title at least 3 times with 2 different partners at each. She won a total of 18 grand slam doubles titles and 2 mixed. Her and Gigi alone won 14 slams and a host of tour titles, all between 1992 and 1997. :worship:

IanRadi
Mar 6th, 2008, 04:08 PM
A doubles ranking was created for the first time in 1984, based on the points received for each doubles team in each tournament. Here is a list of all past number one players, ranked following the number of weeks they’ve spent in total at the top (as of March 3rd):

Rank Name Number of weeks First time
1 Martina Navratilova 237 10 September 1984
2 Natasha Zvereva 124 7 October 1991
3 Lisa Raymond* 117 12 June 2000
4 Arantxa Sanchez Vicario 111 19 October 1992
5 Paola Suarez 87 9 September 2002 :hearts: :worship:
6 Gigi Fernandez 80 4 March 1991
7 Helena Sukova 68 5 February 1990
8 Jana Novotna 67 27 August 1990
9 Virginia Ruano Pascual* 65 8 September 2003
10 Samantha Stosur* 61 8 February 2006
11 Cara Black* 53 17 October 2005
12 Pam Shriver 48 18 March 1985
13 Ai Sugiyama* 45 23 October 2000
14 Martina Hingis 35 8 June 1998
15 Lindsay Davenport* 32 20 October 1997
16 Liezel Huber* 17 12 November 2007
17 Julie Halard-Decugis 14 11 September 2000
18 Anna Kournikova 10 22 November 1999
19 Corina Morariu 7 3 April 2000
20 Kim Clijsters 4 4 August 2003
20 Larisa Neiland 4 27 January 1992
22 Rennae Stubbs* 3 21 August 2000

* for active players

I'll always cheer for how great was Paola playing doubles :kiss: As Liezel said, she was a player that everytime was forcing you to play your best because it's true, she made an awesome team with Vivi. Better said: they were a complement (I mean I don't think they would be that good if they played with other players).

stefi62
Mar 6th, 2008, 04:17 PM
I'll always cheer for how great was Paola playing doubles :kiss: As Liezel said, she was a player that everytime was forcing you to play your best because it's true, she made an awesome team with Vivi. Better said: they were a complement (I mean I don't think they would be that good if they played with other players).

I see what you mean, I feel the same with Cara and Liezel, their game are so well suited, their lives too... I mean, they're meant to be together, in any way. They're good separately, but together they're the best of the moment, in my opinion. I like the fact they're tied number one, that's the way it is, together, they are. As Paola and Vivi, or Sam and Lisa and before Lisa and Rennae....

IanRadi
Mar 6th, 2008, 04:24 PM
I see what you mean, I feel the same with Cara and Liezel, their game are so well suited, their lives too... I mean, they're meant to be together, in any way. They're good separately, but together they're the best of the moment, in my opinion. I like the fact they're tied number one, that's the way it is, together, they are. As Paola and Vivi, or Sam and Lisa and before Lisa and Rennae....

Paola said last year (before she retired) that the results weren't the reason she was playing with Virginia, she said that the clue is to have fun on court. You know, enjoying playing with the other person which I agree, I believe it's very difficult to win matches, titles and all that stuff if you're just thinking about the victory and not having fun with your partner.

Btw, wisely words of Paola :hearts:

markhingis
Mar 7th, 2008, 07:23 AM
And yeah, Martina rules!!! :rocker:

I'd say MartinaS rule :devil:

stefi62
Mar 10th, 2008, 12:13 PM
Updated today

*Jool*
Mar 10th, 2008, 04:46 PM
Paola said last year (before she retired) that the results weren't the reason she was playing with Virginia, she said that the clue is to have fun on court. You know, enjoying playing with the other person which I agree, I believe it's very difficult to win matches, titles and all that stuff if you're just thinking about the victory and not having fun with your partner.

Btw, wisely words of Paola :hearts:
total class :hearts:
and that's definitely true
I'm glad Kata has the same kind of speech about doubles and playing with Ai :yeah:

BTW , interesting thread , Stefi :kiss:

Andy T
Mar 11th, 2008, 05:21 PM
Navratilova :bowdown: :eek: Very impressive number. :)

I've never seen this list before actually. Very interesting. :lol:

............and God knows how many more weeks we could add on to that total if rankings had existed from 75 onwards.

stefi62
Jun 12th, 2008, 02:16 PM
updated with june 9th rankings

RND
Jun 12th, 2008, 03:09 PM
Sugiyama the sole Asian. :eek:

Dave.
Jun 12th, 2008, 03:14 PM
Thanks for updating!

Lindsay about to move down to 16th place :sad:

stefi62
Aug 2nd, 2008, 12:23 PM
Updated as of July 28th

stefi62
Aug 19th, 2008, 01:20 PM
Updated. Cara and Liezel sure to remain number one until Doha, so for at least 11 more weeks.

Sander.
Aug 19th, 2008, 07:43 PM
237 weeks:eek: UNBELIEVABLE:o

stefi62
Aug 20th, 2008, 07:17 AM
237 weeks:eek: UNBELIEVABLE:o

And only because they created it in 1984, else it would probably be a lot more than that! Martina :worship:

stefi62
Sep 29th, 2008, 07:28 AM
Updated as of september 29th 2008

RandomShot
Sep 29th, 2008, 07:48 AM
Navratilova :worship:

stefi62
Oct 30th, 2008, 08:23 AM
Updated on October 27th!
Next week, Liezel completes one year as World Number One!

Harvs
Oct 30th, 2008, 08:34 AM
Updated on October 27th!
Next week, Liezel completes one year as World Number One!


how incredibly depressing.

stefi62
Jan 5th, 2009, 07:05 PM
Updated for the new season
Cara 97, Liezel 61 and equals Sam Stosur.
They are assured to remain World Nb 1s for at least 11 more weeks, no matter what happens.

stefi62
Jan 26th, 2009, 08:07 AM
Updated with Cara's 100th non consecutive week and Liezel's 64th consecutive week!

Congrats to Cara! She is such a great doubles player!

Dave.
Jan 26th, 2009, 09:22 AM
Amazing Cara :worship: and Liezel :yeah:

Any idea how long they still have it for, minumum? Cara could quite easily get second place soon!

stefi62
Jan 26th, 2009, 12:00 PM
Amazing Cara :worship: and Liezel :yeah:

Any idea how long they still have it for, minumum? Cara could quite easily get second place soon!

At least until the week after RG, which means 17 more weeks! :worship:
That is if they lose everything and the direct opponent wins everything! So it' could be far more!:hearts:

Uranium
Jan 26th, 2009, 03:18 PM
I would have thought VRP would have had more:(
Hopefully Venus and Serena can be up there soon:p

*Jool*
Jan 26th, 2009, 07:19 PM
Amazing ;)
Congrats :hatoff:

LindsayRulz
Jan 26th, 2009, 07:26 PM
Stubbs spent only 3 weeks ranked #1? :eek:

Cara will soon be second of all-time. ;)

CrossCourt~Rally
Jan 26th, 2009, 08:55 PM
Congrats CARA! :kiss::bounce:

Dave.
Jan 26th, 2009, 09:28 PM
I would have thought VRP would have had more:(
Hopefully Venus and Serena can be up there soon:p

Stubbs spent only 3 weeks ranked #1? :eek:

Cara will soon be second of all-time. ;)

VRP and Stubbs both spent ages as a no.1 team but for a while Suarez and Raymond just had a few more points as they played more with different partners too. It's like if they had points for the Olympics, Liezel would be ranked 1 for a whole year above Cara.

thetennisutopian
Jan 26th, 2009, 11:18 PM
Stubbs spent only 3 weeks ranked #1? :eek:

Cara will soon be second of all-time. ;)

Thank God.

I don't think I'd be able to bare looking at tennis records and seeing Stubbs' name anywhere.

CrossCourt~Rally
Jan 26th, 2009, 11:49 PM
Thank God.

I don't think I'd be able to bare looking at tennis records and seeing Stubbs' name anywhere.

Then i wouldn't look at total career doubles titles won. She has to be way up there on the list :p.

stefi62
Mar 9th, 2009, 11:13 AM
Updated on march 9th

stefi62
May 16th, 2009, 11:26 PM
Updated after Madrid

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/2540/nb1.jpg (http://img269.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nb1.jpg)

Cara is sure now to reach at least 122 weeks, and probably more, Liezel 86.

stefi62
Jun 1st, 2009, 09:02 AM
Updated today, with Cara now third!

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/9868/number1.png (http://img194.imageshack.us/my.php?image=number1.png)


And Cara and Liezel are assured to remain at the top for at least 8 more weeks no matter what happens in the meantime.

Dave.
Jun 1st, 2009, 11:08 AM
Wow, Cara & Liezel :worship:


Looks like Cara will overtake Natasha aswell :eek: They are really making their place in history :yeah:

stefi62
Jul 14th, 2009, 12:16 PM
Updated with Cara now second same as Zvereva and Liezel n°6 with now more weeks than Paola Suarez.

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/2233/nb1v.jpg (http://img20.imageshack.us/i/nb1v.jpg/)

* for active players

NB: Cara and Liezel assured to remain at least 7 more weeks, hence to reach 131 and 95 weeks.

pwayne
Jul 14th, 2009, 12:40 PM
Cara has to play the 2010 and 2011 season to catch the greatest WTA doubles player in Martina.

Thanks for the update, Stefi62.

stefi62
Jul 14th, 2009, 12:57 PM
Well done Cara!

Just a little video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cThQIhFSZk
Have a look, Cara is pretty brilliant with volleys! ;)

TheBoiledEgg
Jul 14th, 2009, 01:20 PM
Natasha is still way way ahead of slam doubles titles.

stefi62
Jul 14th, 2009, 01:28 PM
Natasha is still way way ahead of slam doubles titles.

This thread is about number of weeks as number one. I know in terms of number of slams, Natasha is ahead.. :wavey:
But still I'm so proud of Cara! :D

*Jool*
Jul 14th, 2009, 01:37 PM
Black/Huber 's consistency is impressive, congrats for that, girls :yeah:

Dave.
Jul 14th, 2009, 02:12 PM
That video, how does she do it? :speakles: So quick yet still able to control it and with two hands on the forehand. :eek:



Congrats Cara and Liezel for moving up again. Cara will be ahead of Natasha! :bowdown: Dunno why Egg needed to mention Natasha's slams, of course she has more, she's the GOAT after Navratilova, which is why Cara overtaking her in no.1 weeks is very very impressive. :worship:

Next, Navratilova :devil: She is waaaaaay ahead but if Black/Huber keep up what they've been doing for another couple years then there's no reason why Cara can't get the record. :bounce:

Olórin
Jul 14th, 2009, 02:18 PM
Im kinda surprised Navratilova doesn't have more weeks at number one, but I guess she missed a lot before 1984.

stefi62
Jul 14th, 2009, 02:27 PM
Im kinda surprised Navratilova doesn't have more weeks at number one, but I guess she missed a lot before 1984.

Indeed, if they had started counting a few years before,.... But already, that is so impressive! :eek:

Uranium
Jul 14th, 2009, 02:29 PM
Well done Cara!

Just a little video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cThQIhFSZk
Have a look, Cara is pretty brilliant with volleys! ;)

When I watch that I laughed for some reason:lol:
Congrats Cara:yeah:

stefi62
Jul 26th, 2009, 04:23 PM
http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/page/DoublesNewsDetail/0,,12781~1732579,00.html

She is only 5-foot-6 in height, but Cara Black now stands above all but one when it comes to weeks spent as the No.1 doubles player in the world. With her 125th week on top the week of July 20, she has passed Natasha Zvereva for second on the all-time list and trails only Martina Navratilova.

The 30-year-old Zimbabwean became No.1 for the first time on October 17, 2005 and stayed there for 16 weeks until Samantha Stosur took over on February 5, 2006. She regained the spot on June 11, 2007 after Roland Garros but relinquished it two weeks later to Lisa Raymond. It wasn't for long, though, as Black began her third and current stint on July 9, 2007 after winning Wimbledon. The July 20, 2009 week marks her 107th consecutive week holding the top spot.

"I am so pleased to have moved into second spot on the most weeks for No.1 list," Black said. "It is such an honor to be up there with so many great players. I still have quite a way to go to catch Martina! Liezel [Huber] and I have had such a great run the last few years. It has been a lot of fun and we are still really enjoying it. We are looking forward to the hardcourt season coming up and especially the US Open."

Black played her first Sony Ericsson WTA Tour doubles event in 1998, but it wasn't until 2000 that she won her first title, in Auckland with Alexandra Fusai. She hasn't stopped winning since. She captured seven Tour titles in 2001, including one with future full-time partner Huber; two in 2002; two in 2003; seven in 2004, including her first Grand Slam, Wimbledon with Rennae Stubbs; six in 2005; two in 2006; nine in 2007, including the first of her two Tour Championships; 10 in 2008 and four so far in 2009. Of those 50 titles, 26 have come with Huber at her side. In fact, following her Wimbledon title with Stubbs, Black's four other Slams have all come with Huber - Wimbledon in 2005, the Australian Open and Wimbledon in 2007 and the US Open in 2008.

Huber joined Black as co-world No.1 on November 12, 2007, and the July 20, 2009 week marks her 89th week there, good for sixth place all-time. Expect the totals for Black and Huber to keep climbing, as the current No.3 in the world, Anabel Medina Garrigues, trails them in the rankings by a tremendous amount of points. Nevertheless, Navratilova's record of 237 weeks at No.1 is safe for at least two years. Many of her other records appear to be safe for even longer, such as 177 doubles titles, 31 doubles Grand Slams and 109 consecutive doubles matches won.

Martian KC
Jul 26th, 2009, 05:39 PM
Congrats Cara!;)

CrossCourt~Rally
Jul 26th, 2009, 09:16 PM
Congrats Cara! :D:bounce:

Uranium
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:18 AM
Year-End #1 Doubles Players
1984 - Martina Navratilova
1985 - Pam Shriver
1986 - Martina Navratilova
1987 - Martina Navratilova
1988 - Martina Navratilova
1989 - Martina Navratilova
1990 - Helena Sukova
1991 - Jana Novotna
1992 - Helena Sukova
1993 - Gigi Fernandez
1994 - Natasha Zvereva
1995 - Arantxa Sanchez Vicario
1996 - Arantxa Sanchez Vicario
1997 - Natasha Zvereva
1998 - Natasha Zvereva
1999 - Anna Kournikova by 13 points
2000 - Julie Halard-Decugis
2001 - Lisa Raymond
2002 - Paola Suarez
2003 - Paola Suarez
2004 - Virginia Ruano Pascual
2005 - Cara Black
2006 - Lisa Raymond and Samantha Stosur
2007 - Cara Black and Liezel Huber
2008 - Cara Black and Liezel Huber
2009 - Cara Black and Liezel Huber

2003 and 2004 is weird because they gave the YE #1 to Paola and then Virginia despite them being tired both times and the one with more tournies played was the #1.
Also, Navratilova, ASV, Hingis, Davenport and Clijsters are the only players to be #1 in singles and doubles.

ArturoAce.
Sep 10th, 2009, 02:26 AM
i hope lisa can get back up there :angel:

stefi62
Sep 21st, 2009, 10:28 PM
Update:
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6674/nb1in.jpg (http://img27.imageshack.us/i/nb1in.jpg/)



The nb 2 of the list Cara for Babolat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnIxiwU166g

AJZ.
Sep 21st, 2009, 10:52 PM
Ai was year end number one in 2000! Wow, what an achievement!
By 3 points :hearts:

CrossCourt~Rally
Sep 22nd, 2009, 04:40 AM
Keep going Cara :rocker2:

Lindsayfan32
Sep 22nd, 2009, 12:54 PM
Thanks for updating!

Lindsay about to move down to 16th place :sad:

Lindsay may have only held the number 1 ranking in doubles for 32 weeks but she one of a few player to hold both the singles and doubles 1 rankings at the same time. Lindsay held it once after she won the US open singles title and made the final of the doubles. Anyone feel free to correct me if this is wrong,

bandabou
Sep 23rd, 2009, 08:00 PM
Nice...still was surprised to read that she only has 4 majors though. With so many weeks as no.1, kinda expected more majors.

Uranium
Sep 23rd, 2009, 08:14 PM
Nice...still was surprised to read that she only has 4 majors though. With so many weeks as no.1, kinda expected more majors.

Who are you talking about? Lindsay has 3 and Cara has 5, Liezel has 4, but no one was talking about Liezel, so I am curious:p

bandabou
Sep 24th, 2009, 08:45 AM
Who are you talking about? Lindsay has 3 and Cara has 5, Liezel has 4, but no one was talking about Liezel, so I am curious:p

I meant Cara..does she have 5?!

Dave.
Sep 24th, 2009, 12:41 PM
Wimbledon 2004 (w/Stubbs)
Wimbledon 2005 (w/Huber)
Australia 2007 (w/Huber)
Wimbledon 2007 (w/Huber)
US Open 2008 (w/Huber)

5 Women's + 3 Mixed Slams = 8 Grand Slam titles for Cara Black, a true champion whichever way you look at her. Actually in all her weeks at no.1, only a couple of months in 2008 + now has she been a slamless no.1 so I'm not sure what you're getting at, bandabou.

bandabou
Sep 24th, 2009, 02:47 PM
Wimbledon 2004 (w/Stubbs)
Wimbledon 2005 (w/Huber)
Australia 2007 (w/Huber)
Wimbledon 2007 (w/Huber)
US Open 2008 (w/Huber)

5 Women's + 3 Mixed Slams = 8 Grand Slam titles for Cara Black, a true champion whichever way you look at her. Actually in all her weeks at no.1, only a couple of months in 2008 + now has she been a slamless no.1 so I'm not sure what you're getting at, bandabou.

No, it's good. I ain't getting at nothing. Was just curious.
I just found it kinda..how the sisters this year alone won almost as many as majors as the Black/Huber despite being part-timers. I thought that Black/Huber were more dominating. That's all.

Wow..really cleaned up at Wimbledon during the WS absence!

Dave.
Sep 24th, 2009, 09:56 PM
No, it's good. I ain't getting at nothing. Was just curious.
I just found it kinda..how the sisters this year alone won almost as many as majors as the Black/Huber despite being part-timers. I thought that Black/Huber were more dominating. That's all.

Wow..really cleaned up at Wimbledon during the WS absence!


There's no despite about it, being part-timers suits them. Not too sure they'd be winning 3/4 slams a year if the likes of Cara/Liezel were more used to their power week in week out.

WS were there in 2007. And not sure what impact they'd have made in 04-05 while they were losing to Sprem and Craybas...but anyway, I could say WS cleaned up in Hingis/Davenport's absence when they won their early 2000's wimby titles, two of the best players from the late-90's absent from the doubles at Wimbledon, but it's pointless...

bandabou
Sep 25th, 2009, 07:26 AM
There's no despite about it, being part-timers suits them. Not too sure they'd be winning 3/4 slams a year if the likes of Cara/Liezel were more used to their power week in week out.

WS were there in 2007. And not sure what impact they'd have made in 04-05 while they were losing to Sprem and Craybas...but anyway, I could say WS cleaned up in Hingis/Davenport's absence when they won their early 2000's wimby titles, two of the best players from the late-90's absent from the doubles at Wimbledon, but it's pointless...

Oh now it went from the WS being a bad match-up to the Black/Hubers just not used to the "power" of the WS?! So again the WS only win because of power, stronger, bigger,... just put two 6 ft'ers together and they beat Black/Huber as well then...it's just that easy.

:lol: Now the Black/Hubers sucking in singles didn't stop them from dominating the doubles scene, no..so the WS losing to Sprem/Craybas shouldn't be seen as measure for how they'd perform in doubles.

Really? Now for their first doubles title, at RG'99, who did the sisters beat in the final? Oh yeah...the dream dou: Hingis/Kournikova.

Beat Hingis again at the ' 01 Oz open. Beat Davenport in '05 too, no?!

See..the WS have beaten ALL the elite teams in big matches. Black/Huber can't say that.

Dave.
Sep 25th, 2009, 11:56 AM
Oh now it went from the WS being a bad match-up to the Black/Hubers just not used to the "power" of the WS?! So again the WS only win because of power, stronger, bigger,... just put two 6 ft'ers together and they beat Black/Huber as well then...it's just that easy.

:lol: Now the Black/Hubers sucking in singles didn't stop them from dominating the doubles scene, no..so the WS losing to Sprem/Craybas shouldn't be seen as measure for how they'd perform in doubles.

Really? Now for their first doubles title, at RG'99, who did the sisters beat in the final? Oh yeah...the dream dou: Hingis/Kournikova.

Beat Hingis again at the ' 01 Oz open. Beat Davenport in '05 too, no?!

See..the WS have beaten ALL the elite teams in big matches. Black/Huber can't say that.

No...as I said before "power" is not just being 6 ft it's the accuracy and everything too. But yeah, bad matchup..if they played more it would be better.

Actually no, the sisters did not defeat Raymond/Stubbs who were the best team in 00-01, losing the only match when they did play them. Also lost to Davenport/Zvereva, who had split just before the sisters won their first slam hmm...But like I said before this cleaning up business is nonsense, what are you trying to say exactly?

bandabou
Sep 25th, 2009, 07:05 PM
No...as I said before "power" is not just being 6 ft it's the accuracy and everything too. But yeah, bad matchup..if they played more it would be better.

Actually no, the sisters did not defeat Raymond/Stubbs who were the best team in 00-01, losing the only match when they did play them. Also lost to Davenport/Zvereva, who had split just before the sisters won their first slam hmm...But like I said before this cleaning up business is nonsense, what are you trying to say exactly?

Where did that loss to Raymond/Stubbs come?! Davenport/Zvereva..who that's like a complete generation before the sisters, no?! everybody agrees that Hingis/anybody was the best team in doubles and the sisters beat her, so it ain't like it was weak competition.

You took the cleaning up the wrong way. I said that because they won like 3 out of 4 wimbledons before the sisters started to play doubles again. That's all. I was impressed.

Dave.
Sep 25th, 2009, 07:40 PM
Where did that loss to Raymond/Stubbs come?! Davenport/Zvereva..who that's like a complete generation before the sisters, no?! everybody agrees that Hingis/anybody was the best team in doubles and the sisters beat her, so it ain't like it was weak competition.

You took the cleaning up the wrong way. I said that because they won like 3 out of 4 wimbledons before the sisters started to play doubles again. That's all. I was impressed.

Filderstadt.....and Davenport/Zvereva were no.1 in the same year that the sisters won their first two slams so. I'm not saying it was weak competiton, this is all actually pointless speculation. Ok I might have taken that the wrong way but you were also insinuating that she wouldn't have won them had they played/that by "cleaning up" she had weak competiton, were you not?

bandabou
Sep 25th, 2009, 09:22 PM
Filderstadt.....and Davenport/Zvereva were no.1 in the same year that the sisters won their first two slams so. I'm not saying it was weak competiton, this is all actually pointless speculation. Ok I might have taken that the wrong way but you were also insinuating that she wouldn't have won them had they played/that by "cleaning up" she had weak competiton, were you not?

Ok..wow the sisters do that a lot. Let the others have the ranks while they win the big titles. Even back in '99 they understood it, two majors already then. :lol:

Nah, I don't play like that. You win, you win..that's it. I think the sisters are the better team but you can't beat a team who wasn't there.

Uranium
Oct 8th, 2009, 01:19 AM
Liezel gets 100:worship:

http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/doublesnews/huber-hits-100-weeks-at-no1-20091006_2256567_1818856

Dave.
Oct 8th, 2009, 01:11 PM
Navratilova, Black, Zvereva, Raymond, Sanchez-Vicario, Huber.

What a list. :worship: Sooooo many greats NOT on there. :eek: No Gigi Fernandez, no Hingis, no Davenport, no Novotna, no Sukova, no Ruano-Pascual, no Suarez etc. etc.

Congratulations Liezel, what an accomplishment!

stefi62
Feb 8th, 2010, 11:20 AM
118 weeks for Liezel now, 117 for Lisa.
Next step: Zvereva and her 124 weeks, which she will do for sure after Indian Wells.

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2098/nb1m.png (http://img5.imageshack.us/i/nb1m.png/)

And Cara and Liezel will for sure remain nb1 until at least Rome (reaching 165 and 129 weeks at least)

Uranium
Feb 15th, 2010, 08:30 PM
Liezel passed Lisa:(:lol:
Congrats. Cara inching closer and closer to Martina:devil:

Gallofa
Feb 15th, 2010, 08:40 PM
Well, congrats to Liezel. Can't stand her, but she's done really great for herself in the last few years.

Dave.
Feb 15th, 2010, 08:58 PM
Well done Liezel! Soon they will be 2 and 3 on that list and hopefully one day both will overtake Martina!

Is there a list available anywhere for most consecutive weeks at no.1? Cara and Liezel have been there for so long now. In fact, all of Liezel's 118 weeks have actually been consecutive. :eek:


Lisa will not be happy about this I'm sure. :sad: :lol: But she only has to see Rennae's total to feel better. :sobbing:

robbie12
Feb 15th, 2010, 09:07 PM
Liezel may actually overtake Cara now. Due to them defaulting the Paris final (because of Cara's illness), they got different points, meaning Huber is now no.1 on her own and Black has fallen to no.2.

Caillou
Feb 15th, 2010, 09:07 PM
Well, unfortunately the williams dont play often enough to even compete in this category. It's a shame, but at this point in time, I'd rather they focus on singles, and win the slams in doubles. Poor huber/black, they must be pissed that the williams now choose to play all the majors. And, to be honest, black and huber dont have much competition for the number one ranking. I mean, most other teams switch, the williams only play about 4 tournaments a year, and the other top players follow the williams and mainly play during the majors. congrats to them though, for staying consistent.

Dave.
Feb 15th, 2010, 09:17 PM
Liezel may actually overtake Cara now. Due to them defaulting the Paris final (because of Cara's illness), they got different points, meaning Huber is now no.1 on her own and Black has fallen to no.2.

You're right. It actually seems they have the same points but Liezel is indeed no.1 on her own now. :eek:

Well, unfortunately the williams dont play often enough to even compete in this category. It's a shame, but at this point in time, I'd rather they focus on singles, and win the slams in doubles. Poor huber/black, they must be pissed that the williams now choose to play all the majors. And, to be honest, black and huber dont have much competition for the number one ranking. I mean, most other teams switch, the williams only play about 4 tournaments a year, and the other top players follow the williams and mainly play during the majors. congrats to them though, for staying consistent.

Sure. :spit:

stefi62
Feb 16th, 2010, 07:32 AM
About Cara not being nb 1 anymore: nowhere in the rules it says something about default due to blood, which is clearly the reason was the team was defaulted. So so far the WTA applied the rule for a withdraw, but considering the very unusual situation (not a withdraw nor a sanctionary default, the only two cases appearing in the rulebook), I would not be surprised if they thought about it a little more, and maybe change the decision, as it seems quite unfair.
That rule about withdrawal has been added to avoid having singles players withdrawing from doubles on week n to play singles on week n+1, and that is clearly not the case here. It'd be sad if the decision remained as it is now.

ArturoAce.
Feb 16th, 2010, 07:58 AM
WOW, Cara is indeed number 2 now, but they still both have the same amount of points, that's odd...

I don't like how they split the points, where one partner would get more than the other. Shouldn't a team get 1 set of points divided equally?
They should win and lose as a team, not an individual in doubles :shrug:

i don't get it. :sobbing: someone explain... :lol:

stefi62
Feb 16th, 2010, 08:06 AM
After a withdraw, the player that withdraws gets the number of points for the previous round (here semis = 200) and the partner gets the same amount of points + the amount of points for the round they withdraw from divided into two, here: 200 + 320 (final points) / 2 = 260.
Cara and Liezel's 11th tournament corresponds to 350 (the last toournament that counts), meaning the 260 and 200 dont count anyway, so in their total, they have the same amount of points, but in total of all tournaments, Liezel is ranked higher than Cara.

esdee
Feb 16th, 2010, 01:22 PM
Would seem very harsh indeed if they penalise Cara in this way. If I understand it correctly, there is no rule covering a scenario like this.

robbie12
Feb 16th, 2010, 03:28 PM
It does seem daft that a rule effectively created to make singles players take doubles more seriously has affected a doubles specialist! In the rules it says:

"If a doubles team withdraws in any round after the 1st round, their ranking points will be calculated per the round they withdrew less than 50% of the difference between that round and the previous round. In addition, the doubles player causing the withdrawal will forfeit the other 50% of her ranking points; however, if she does not play in a tennis event the following week, she may apply to the Sony Ericsson WTA Tour for reinstatement of the other 50% forfeited."

If they don't play in Dubai, Cara could at least appeal for the other half back so she'd still be tied with huber, but if they play then it looks like she can't.

stefi62
Feb 16th, 2010, 03:48 PM
It does seem daft that a rule effectively created to make singles players take doubles more seriously has affected a doubles specialist! In the rules it says:

"If a doubles team withdraws in any round after the 1st round, their ranking points will be calculated per the round they withdrew less than 50% of the difference between that round and the previous round. In addition, the doubles player causing the withdrawal will forfeit the other 50% of her ranking points; however, if she does not play in a tennis event the following week, she may apply to the Sony Ericsson WTA Tour for reinstatement of the other 50% forfeited."

If they don't play in Dubai, Cara could at least appeal for the other half back so she'd still be tied with huber, but if they play then it looks like she can't.

The thing is it is not a withdrawal, nor a sanctionary default, so such a case had not been considered when the rulebook has been written. Hence I think they can appeal. Or the WTA includes a new statement in the rule.

stefi62
Mar 2nd, 2010, 01:05 PM
After a couple of weeks at rank 2, Cara will be back very soon at World number 1 after winning appeal! So 158 weeks next Monday for Cara. And the number of weeks together as a team will then be 122 weeks in a row for Black/Huber.

andrewC
Mar 2nd, 2010, 05:56 PM
That's a bit sad, having to "appeal" to become number 1. Surely it would be more satisfying to be number one on sheer merit alone?!

alansw19
Mar 2nd, 2010, 06:38 PM
That's a bit sad, having to "appeal" to become number 1. Surely it would be more satisfying to be number one on sheer merit alone?!

I'm glad that the WTA have corrected this anomaly given that the rule they applied did not cover the extraordinary scenario at-hand (there was no player withdrawal or santionary default). Cara has consistently strong solid results in ladies doubles across all tournaments (WTA & Slams combined) so there is no doubt in mind that she has earned it.

CrossCourt~Rally
Mar 2nd, 2010, 09:32 PM
About Cara not being nb 1 anymore: nowhere in the rules it says something about default due to blood, which is clearly the reason was the team was defaulted. So so far the WTA applied the rule for a withdraw, but considering the very unusual situation (not a withdraw nor a sanctionary default, the only two cases appearing in the rulebook), I would not be surprised if they thought about it a little more, and maybe change the decision, as it seems quite unfair.
That rule about withdrawal has been added to avoid having singles players withdrawing from doubles on week n to play singles on week n+1, and that is clearly not the case here. It'd be sad if the decision remained as it is now.

I had no idea this was going on. I think it's absolutely ridiculous that Cara is being treated in this manner. Hopefully they'll come to their senses and reinstate Cara to her rightfull co #1 position ASAP :)

burn
Mar 2nd, 2010, 09:52 PM
Great news..! Cara deserves to be a sharing #1!!!

In The Zone
Mar 3rd, 2010, 02:09 AM
Wow. I had no idea this was going on. Horrible move by the WTA. Glad it was remedied.

Uranium
Mar 14th, 2010, 02:15 PM
Year-End #1 Doubles Players
1984 - Martina Navratilova
1985 - Pam Shriver
1986 - Martina Navratilova
1987 - Martina Navratilova
1988 - Martina Navratilova
1989 - Martina Navratilova
1990 - Helena Sukova
1991 - Jana Novotna
1992 - Helena Sukova
1993 - Gigi Fernandez
1994 - Natasha Zvereva
1995 - Arantxa Sanchez Vicario
1996 - Arantxa Sanchez Vicario
1997 - Natasha Zvereva
1998 - Natasha Zvereva
1999 - Anna Kournikova by 13 points
2000 - Ai Sugiyama by 3 points
2001 - Lisa Raymond
2002 - Paola Suarez
2003 - Paola Suarez
2004 - Virginia Ruano Pascual
2005 - Cara Black
2006 - Lisa Raymond and Samantha Stosur
2007 - Cara Black and Liezel Huber
2008 - Cara Black and Liezel Huber
2009 - Cara Black and Liezel Huber

2003 and 2004 is weird because they gave the YE #1 to Paola and then Virginia despite them being tired both times and the one with more tournies played was the #1.
Also, Navratilova, ASV, Hingis, Davenport and Clijsters are the only players to be #1 in singles and doubles.

WTA tour site at the end of last year had the YE #1's put up on Huber and Black's article for getting their 3rd YE #1 spot. So the only change needed was 1985, but they have Julie Halard-Decugis for 2000, but I don't think that's right.

http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/javaImages/36/1f/0,,12781~7544630,00.jpg

stefi62
Mar 14th, 2010, 02:44 PM
Here is the chronology from the 2010 media guide:

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8402/ranks1.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/ranks1.jpg/)

stefi62
Mar 14th, 2010, 02:58 PM
And the info for the players simultaneously nb1 in singles and doubles:

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/6093/60757326.jpg (http://img412.imageshack.us/i/60757326.jpg/)

stefi62
Mar 14th, 2010, 03:01 PM
Doubles teams of the year:

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/5356/toty.jpg (http://img709.imageshack.us/i/toty.jpg/)

and 2009: Serena and Venus Williams

Uranium
Mar 14th, 2010, 03:15 PM
Stefi:worship:

Uranium
Mar 14th, 2010, 05:57 PM
On the Chronology, you're missing from November 12, 1995 to November 3, 1997.

stefi62
Mar 14th, 2010, 06:01 PM
Ok, bad printscreen! ;) Ill change it asap


edit: done

stefi62
Apr 18th, 2010, 07:46 PM
Updated on April 19th

Lindsayfan32
Apr 29th, 2010, 02:13 AM
Well I didn't think Lindsay had held the double number 1 ranking for 32 weeks I thought it would be way less than that.

Uranium
May 9th, 2010, 02:21 AM
Some stats about the #1 players

-Martina Navratilova is the only lefty to hit #1.
-Martina Navratilova, Martina Hingis, Arantxa Sanchez Vicario, Lindsay Davenport, Kim Clijsters, Venus Williams and Serena Williams are the only players to be on top of both the singles and doubles ranks. All of them except Venus, have been ranked #1 in both simultaneously.

Amount of times Year End #1
Martina Navratilova - 5
Cara Black - 4
Liezel Huber - 3
Natasha Zvereva - 3
Lisa Raymond - 2
Paola Suarez - 2
Helena Sukova - 2
Arantxa Sanchez Vicario - 2
Pam Shriver - 1
Gigi Fernandez - 1
Jana Novotna - 1
Julie Halard-Decugis - 1
Anna Kournikova - 1
Virginia Ruano Pascual - 1
Samantha Stosur - 1

Amount of Slams won
Martina Navratilova - 31
Pam Shriver - 21
Natasha Zvereva - 18
Gigi Fernandez - 17
Jana Novotna - 12
Venus Williams - 12
Serena Williams - 12
Virginia Ruano Pascual - 10
Helena Sukova - 9
Martina Hingis - 9
Paola Suarez - 8
Arantxa Sanchez Vicario - 6
Lisa Raymond - 5
Cara Black - 5
Liezel Huber - 4
Rennae Stubbs - 4
Ai Sugiyama - 3
Lindsay Davenport - 3
Anna Kournikova - 2
Samantha Stosur - 2
Larisa Neiland - 2
Kim Clijsters - 2
Julie Halard-Decugis - 1
Corina Morariu - 1

Players with the Career Grand Slam
Martina Navratilova - 7 times
Pam Shriver - 4 times
Natasha Zvereva - 4 times
Gigi Fernandez - 2 times
Jana Novotna - 2 times
Venus Williams - 2 times
Serena Williams - 2 times
Lisa Raymond
Martina Hingis
Helena Sukova

Gold Medals Won
Gigi Fernandez - 2 times
Venus Williams - 2 times
Serena Williams - 2 times
Pam Shriver

Tour Championship Winners
Martina Navratilova - 11
Pam Shriver - 10
Natasha Zvereva - 3
Lindsay Davenport - 3
Lisa Raymond - 3
Jana Novotna - 2
Arantxa Sanchez Vicario - 2
Gigi Fernandez - 2
Martina Hingis - 2
Anna Kournikova - 2
Samantha Stosur - 2
Cara Black - 2
Liezel Huber - 2
Rennae Stubbs - 1
Helena Sukova - 1
Virginia Ruano Pascual - 1
Paola Suarez - 1

Total Titles
Martina Navratilova - 177
Pam Shriver - 106
Natasha Zvereva - 80
Jana Novotna - 76
Lisa Raymond - 70
Gigi Fernandez - 68
Arantxa Sanchez Vicario - 68
Helena Sukova - 68
Larisa Neiland - 66
Rennae Stubbs - 60
Cara Black - 54
Paola Suarez - 44
Virginia Ruano Pascual - 43
Liezel Huber - 43
Ai Sugiyama - 38
Lindsay Davenport - 38
Martina Hingis - 37
Samantha Stosur - 22
Serena Williams - 20
Venus Williams - 19
Anna Kournikova - 16
Julie Halard-Decugis - 15
Corina Morariu - 13
Kim Clijsters - 11

Uranium
May 16th, 2010, 09:33 PM
Williams Sisters/Huber/Mariajo
R1 - 8165/7980/6850
R2 - 8320/7980/6850
R3 - 8440/7980/6850
QF - 8660/8130/7070
SF - 9060/8530/7470
F - 9560/9030/7970
W - 10,160/9630/8570

So. WS lose early, #1 is up for grabs.
QFs should suffice for WS, unless Huber makes Final.
If Huber makes final, they need SFs.

Sammm
May 17th, 2010, 07:08 PM
Some stats about the #1 players

-Martina Navratilova is the only lefty to hit #1.
-Martina Navratilova, Martina Hingis, Arantxa Sanchez Vicario, Lindsay Davenport and Kim Clijsters are the only players to be on top of both the singles and doubles ranks, coincidentally all of them were ranked #1 of both at the same time.

Amount of times Year End #1
Martina Navratilova - 5
Cara Black - 4
Liezel Huber - 3
Natasha Zvereva - 3
Lisa Raymond - 2
Paola Suarez - 2
Helena Sukova - 2
Arantxa Sanchez Vicario - 2
Pam Shriver - 1
Gigi Fernandez - 1
Jana Novotna - 1
Julie Halard-Decugis - 1
Anna Kournikova - 1
Virginia Ruano Pascual - 1
Samantha Stosur - 1

Amount of Slams won
Martina Navratilova - 31
Pam Shriver - 21
Natasha Zvereva - 18
Gigi Fernandez - 17
Jana Novotna - 12
Virginia Ruano Pascual - 10
Helena Sukova - 9
Martina Hingis - 9
Paola Suarez - 8
Arantxa Sanchez Vicario - 6
Lisa Raymond - 5
Cara Black - 5
Liezel Huber - 4
Rennae Stubbs - 4
Ai Sugiyama - 3
Lindsay Davenport - 3
Anna Kournikova - 2
Samantha Stosur - 2
Larisa Neiland - 2
Kim Clijsters - 2
Julie Halard-Decugis - 1
Corina Morariu - 1

Players with the Career Grand Slam
Martina Navratilova - 7 times
Pam Shriver - 4 times
Natasha Zvereva - 4 times
Gigi Fernandez - 2 times
Jana Novotna - 2 times
Lisa Raymond
Martina Hingis
Helena Sukova

Gold Medals Won
Gigi Fernandez - 2 times
Pam Shriver

Tour Championship Winners
Martina Navratilova - 11
Pam Shriver - 10
Natasha Zvereva - 3
Lindsay Davenport - 3
Lisa Raymond - 3
Jana Novotna - 2
Arantxa Sanchez Vicario - 2
Gigi Fernandez - 2
Martina Hingis - 2
Anna Kournikova - 2
Samantha Stosur - 2
Cara Black - 2
Liezel Huber - 2
Rennae Stubbs - 1
Helena Sukova - 1
Virginia Ruano Pascual - 1
Paola Suarez - 1

Total Titles
Martina Navratilova - 177
Pam Shriver - 106
Natasha Zvereva - 80
Jana Novotna - 76
Gigi Fernandez - 68
Arantxa Sanchez Vicario - 68
Helena Sukova - 68
Lisa Raymond - 68
Larisa Neiland - 66
Rennae Stubbs - 59
Cara Black - 53
Paola Suarez - 44
Liezel Huber - 42
Virginia Ruano Pascual - 42
Ai Sugiyama - 38
Martina Hingis - 37
Lindsay Davenport - 37
Samantha Stosur - 22
Anna Kournikova - 16
Julie Halard-Decugis - 15
Corina Morariu - 13
Kim Clijsters - 11

I didn't realise Jana was such a doubles GOAT :bowdown:

Sammm
May 17th, 2010, 07:17 PM
So, everyone who was number one in doubles has won a slam -not the same story in singles.

auntie janie
May 17th, 2010, 07:58 PM
Paola :hearts:

Uranium
May 24th, 2010, 04:10 PM
Nicer looking notes on who will be #1 after RG.
Williams Sisters
R1 - 8165
R2 - 8320
R3 - 8440
QF - 8660
SF - 9060
F - 9560
W - 10,160

Huber
R1, R2, R3 - 7980
QF - 8130
SF - 8530
F - 9030
W - 9630

Black
R1, R2, R3 - 7715
QF - 7935
SF - 8335
F - 8835
W - 9435

Mariajo
R1, R2, R3 - 6850
QF - 7070
SF - 7470
F - 7970
W - 8570

Ntosake
May 25th, 2010, 01:41 AM
Nicer looking notes on who will be #1 after RG.
Williams Sisters
R1 - 8165
R2 - 8320
R3 - 8440
QF - 8660
SF - 9060
F - 9560
W - 10,160

Huber
R1, R2, R3 - 7980
QF - 8130
SF - 8530
F - 9030
W - 9630

Black
R1, R2, R3 - 7715
QF - 7935
SF - 8335
F - 8835
W - 9435

Mariajo
R1, R2, R3 - 6850
QF - 7070
SF - 7470
F - 7970
W - 8570

Thanks! It's way easier to see the possibilities, so Cmon Team Williams!

Rome & Madrid
May 25th, 2010, 07:18 AM
Vamos Nuriajo!

Uranium
Jun 5th, 2010, 02:43 PM
Guaranteed at least 4 weeks as #1.:dance:

Dave.
Jun 5th, 2010, 02:46 PM
So at least they won't be bottom of the pile.

Oh, Rennae. :lol:

Uranium
Aug 4th, 2010, 03:03 PM
Williams get 8 weeks. Liezel restarted her reign this week.

Williams Sisters are looking very good to end the year #1.

twight6
Aug 4th, 2010, 11:44 PM
Shouldn't Lindsay have an asterisk by her name, at least for these two weeks? :sobbing:

twight6
Aug 4th, 2010, 11:47 PM
No.1 DOUBLES RANKING HOLDERS
Martina Navratilova 237 weeks
Cara Black 163 weeks
Liezel Huber 135 weeks
Natasha Zvereva 124 weeks
Lisa Raymond 117 weeks
Arantxa Sánchez-Vicario 111 weeks
Paola Suárez 87 weeks
Gigi Fernandez 80 weeks
Helena Sukova 68 weeks
Jana Novotna 67 weeks
Virginia Ruano Pascual 65 weeks
Samantha Stosur 61 weeks
Pam Shriver 48 weeks
Ai Sugiyama 45 weeks
Martina Hingis 35 weeks
Lindsay Davenport 32 weeks
Julie Halard-Decugis 14 weeks
Anna Kournikova 10 weeks
Serena Williams 8 weeks
Venus Williams 8 weeks
Corina Morariu 7 weeks
Kim Clijsters 4 weeks
Larisa Neiland 4 weeks
Rennae Stubbs 3 weeks


Sorry this is ugly :o I couldn't figure out how to do it better, I don't have time right now. It can be found here:

http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/SEWTATour-Archive/Archive/Notes&Netcords/2010/aug2.pdf

On page 3.

Uranium
Jun 17th, 2011, 02:46 PM
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii207/reddevil62091/1.jpg

MH0861
Jun 18th, 2011, 12:02 AM
LOL @ Stubbs at the end of that list. :haha:

Uranium
Jun 28th, 2011, 03:04 PM
The situations regarding the #1 ranking: It is Pennetta vs. Huber vs. Peschke/Srebotnik.

-Peschke/Srebotnik need to win the title to become #1.
-Huber needs to make the final, either winning it or losing to any team besides Peschke/Srebotnik, for Liezel to become #1.
-If Huber doesn't make final and Peschke/Srebotnik don't win title, Pennetta remains #1.

The Kaz
Jun 28th, 2011, 03:09 PM
Huber at #1 on her own is a travesty :tape:

The Kaz
Jul 2nd, 2011, 05:14 PM
The situations regarding the #1 ranking: It is Pennetta vs. Huber vs. Peschke/Srebotnik.

-Peschke/Srebotnik need to win the title to become #1.
-Huber needs to make the final, either winning it or losing to any team besides Peschke/Srebotnik, for Liezel to become #1.
-If Huber doesn't make final and Peschke/Srebotnik don't win title, Pennetta remains #1.

C'mon Sam and Sabine keep Flavia at no.1! :cheer: