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Mark43
Jul 31st, 2002, 01:09 AM
Tennis - "1980 Wimbledon Official Film"
ESPNCL, Tue Aug 06 03:00am EDT

Tennis - "1980 Wimbledon Official Film"
ESPNCL, Tue Aug 06 11:00am EDT

This was the single greatest tournament of all time, IMHO. Evonne, ever the bridesmaid, turned back the clock and finally broke through in a big grand slam final against her arch rival Chris Evert. Evonne had won Wimbledon at the age of 19 in 1971 on her second try. It seemed she had enough natural talent to win oodles more. As the years went by there were oodles of runner-up trophies (4 straight US Open finals and 3 Wimbledon finals lost), but very few big wins. In 1980 she was nearly 30 and the mother of a 3 year old toddler and NO ONE, including my hopeful self, thought she would take the big W title over the likes of Evert, two time defending champ Navratilova or teen terrors Austin, Jaeger and Mandlikova. Well, Evonne beat Mandlikova, world number one Austin and year end number one Evert in a lovely display of grass court elegance. Am I sounding nostalgic?
:)

Throw in the fact that my male all time fave Bjorn Borg won his fifth consecutive W in an historic five set match over John McEnroe and there you have it...the single greatest tournament of all time, Wimbledon 1980!

AjdeNate!
Jul 31st, 2002, 01:18 AM
Ooh, yes. Thanks for this.

BCP
Jul 31st, 2002, 01:33 AM
Mark, though we agree on many things, I am afraid we will have to agree to disagree.

Of course, the single best tourney of all time was the following Wimbeldon where Chris beat hana in the final!;)

Mark43
Jul 31st, 2002, 03:00 AM
Oh I was sooo depressed after the 1981 finals. I felt Hana was going to win since she had just straight setted Chris a few weeks earlier in the French semi's (which she won). Then she beat the queen of grass, Martina Navratilova, in the Wimbledon semi's and Chris killed her 2 and 2 in the finals. On top of that, Bjorn Borg lost in the finals the next day to bratty Johnny Mac and a few months later that was the end of Bjorn. Oh well. We all have our faves! Looking back, 1981 wasn't so bad afterall. I think it was the last time Martina played with a wood/fiberglass composite racket. I am not sure why I remembered that!

Oh another thing while I am on a roll...Hana made four straight slam finals in a row US Open 1980-Wimbledon 1981, winning 2 slams, and somehow she was seeded 5 at the US Open 1981. I have NEVER been able to remotely grasp that.

Imagine if Venus or Jennifer made 4 straight slams and won 2 and were seeded anything but 1 or 2 at a major. Whatever.

BCP
Jul 31st, 2002, 04:21 AM
Mark, I thought that she was seeded number 2 for that, and there was a big hoo-haa from Martina, Tracy and Andrea. Maybe that was Winbeldon 1981. Not sure. Anyway, how could you begrudge Mac his first Wimbeldon!:p ;) Mac is one of my faves of all time!

Mark43
Jul 31st, 2002, 04:40 AM
Hana was seeded #2 for Wimbledon and there was a big stink. She held 2 slams at that point and while I know the Aussie Open was not seen as a big deal, the French was beginning to gain steam.

Yeah, I learned to love Mac and watching him beat Bjorn at Wimbledon and the US that year would not have been so traumatic if Borg would have continued. Those losses somehow did him in. They were close matches and Mac was steadily improving, so there was nothing to be upset about. When Borg tried to comeback the next year and they made him qualify I never figured he would give it all up completely. In 1991 when he tried to comeback with a wood racket, I wished he would.

BCP
Jul 31st, 2002, 05:00 AM
BTW lol at the wood/fibregalss racquets. Remember aluminium racquets....what the hell was that all about!

Zummi
Jul 31st, 2002, 07:12 AM
Btw, Martina played with wood racquets right up to the 1982 French Open.

Mandlikova's seeding at Wimbledon 1981 cannot be compared to Venus Williams in the same situation. Here was Hana - ranked #5 in the world with no experience of good performances at Wimbledon behind her. And she was seeded #2 at the expense of a 2-time Wimbledon champion, a former #1 & U.S. Open champion and someone ranked ahead of her. Was that fair? I think not. Of course, she lived up to her seeding by making the finals but IMO, her seeding was not justified. Had she been seeded according to her ranking, she would have faced Evert in the quarterfinals and not the finals.

Mark43
Jul 31st, 2002, 01:32 PM
Zummi, the rankings were A LOT different in the early 80's. There was very little weight given to the Aussie and French. I was comparing time periods, not players. If an up and coming player in 2002 came into Wimbledon with the Australian and French Open titles AND a US Open runner-up finish there would be very little controversy if they got a number 2 seeding, regardless of past poor performances at Wimbledon. Actually if Hana had those results in 2002 she would have been seeded AND ranked number 1.

By Wimbledon 1981 Martina and Tracy Austin were floundering. Martina had done well on the winter indoor season since Evert had skipped it and Austin had been out with injuries. But Martina had not won a tourney in months and suffered the worst defeat of her career, a double bagel loss to Chris in the spring. Austin had only played about 5 matches all year. Hana, on the other hand, had wins over everybody, mostly in straight sets. She beat Martina in the 4th round of the 1980 US and Chris at the French.

In other words, I think her seeding was perfectly justified.

Rollo
Jul 31st, 2002, 01:47 PM
Hey old friends(I can get away with that I hope as you have to be "old" to remember the 80s!:)

Anyhow-I have some press clippings from 81(and the seeding controversy) that I'll add to the greatest thread ever-the 80s ladies, in the Blast forum. Just be patient with me, it may take a day or so to find them and post.

The match I still to see from Evonne's golden 1980 run was her semi with Austin. Imagine losing a set 6-0 and still winning the match and the title! Has that ever happened before in a slam ?
I doubt it.

way
Jul 31st, 2002, 02:08 PM
hi, old timers!!!
:)
at the time i followed mens' tennis much more than women's
(from Sampras 90 on it's been the opposite)

What i know for sure is that Macca was my fav, Mark!!!
:(
:)

Mark43
Jul 31st, 2002, 02:14 PM
Thanks Rollo! I look forward to reading the clippings!!!

Yeah I have only seen a few snippets of Evonne match over Tracy. Let's hope they show more extensive footage on this program. I was amazed she lost that middle set six love and came back. Evonne said she was staying back in that set and lost confidence in her serve. Luckily, she got it back in the third.

macn
Jul 31st, 2002, 04:22 PM
I would love to have those matches on tape! Evonne truly deserved that Wimbledon!

BCP
Aug 1st, 2002, 12:29 AM
Zummi,

I gotta go with Mark on every point there. However, I will concede this....Chris did NOT derserve the co no.1 seeding at Wimbeldon in 1985.....................

tennisvideos
Aug 1st, 2002, 03:08 AM
If anyone wants those 1980 Evonne matches on tape go to Sports Resources who have them (along with 1000s of others). Try: http://homepage.mac.com/tennisvideos

Their email is: s.resources@appleonline.net

They have the final, the SF (against Austin) and the match against Hana.

Rollo
Aug 1st, 2002, 04:34 AM
Sorry BCP. Chris most certainly DID merit co-#1 seeding at the 85 Wimbledon. At the time Chris was ranked #1 on the computer at the time (From June 10 to October13 that year). So the co-#1 seed was elavating Martina(deservedly so considering her grass court record) without demoting Chris;)

I'll post those clippings Saturday. The Wimbledon seeding wasn't nearly as controversial as the US Open that year. While Hana was a terror in slams from 1980, she often lost early in regular tour events. By US Open time Hana had made the last 3 slam finals, won two of them(the Aussie and French), yet had the #5 seed while Andrea Jaeger was #2! The howls of protest from
Chris, martina, Tracy and Hana were loud, and the press had a filed day after Andrea crashed out early. Chris ended up with Hana in the quarters of both the US Open and the Aussie.

BCP
Aug 1st, 2002, 04:47 AM
Rollo, I am for chris as anyone, and know that she had won the Aus and the french- but Martina had won the last 3 Wimbeldons, 5 titles in total, and had won 15 of the last 17 times. Chris also had a 3rd round loss to Kathy Jordan. Also, when wimbeldon announced the seeding, Chris would have only been number 1 for a couple of weeks.

Winbeldon is well know for having subjective seedings, and I think Martina was a clear no.1 seed for Wimbeldon.

Imagine what Chris would have had to say about being demoted to the no 2 seeding though. I shudder just thinking about those pursed lips, and that icy stare..............

Zummi
Aug 2nd, 2002, 07:56 AM
For what it's worth, the WTA filed a protest with the All England Club after they co-seeded Martina & Chris as #1 in 1985. Apparently, the WTA felt it was unfair that they deviated from the rankings - Evert was WTA Player's Association President at the time.

Back to 1981, many have made valid points about Mandlikova's seedings. But to make a few points of my own:

Jennifer Capriati came into the 2001 Wimbledon Ch'ships as a two-time Grand Slam champion. Was she given any special seeding considerations? No. She was seeded per her ranking #4.

Martina had done quite well for herself indoors even with Evert & Austin in tow. Martina's last tournament win before Wimbledon had been in Orlando just 2 months earlier. She had beaten Mandlikova easily the only other time they played that year. Besides Roland Garros, Mandlikova had won one other tournament so far that year. Martina had won 6.

All being said, I cannot see how a 2-time champion like Martina could have been "DEMOTED" in favor of someone like Mandlikova. Just doesn't make sense to me. If she was seeded according to her ranking, fine. That would be appropriate. But to seed her below her ranking?? They would not have done anything like that today.

Jem
Aug 2nd, 2002, 01:11 PM
Mark,

I was crushed by Evonne's lost to Chris in the 1980 Wimbledon final. I knew it would be tough, but Chris had not lost a match to Evonne since the spring of 1976 and only two weeks earlier, she had beaten the Aussie in hurricane-like conditions on the grass in Chichester (I think it was Chichester). But Chris simply never looked like a winner in this match. While Evonne played inspired tennis, Chris made error after error. I was so excited about the final, Chris having beaten Martina in the previous round. I was just settling down to watch it on TV when my best friend (an Evonne fanatic) called me in this excited tone, "Did you hear, did you hear?" I knew as soon as he asked the question that Evonne had won. I watched the match anyway, hoping against hope that it was all a mistake and that Chris would come back to win. Oh, well, 20-plus years later, I don't (choke, choke) begrudge Evonne that victory. As for Chris, my all-time favorite, she may not be the all-time Wimbledon champion, but she was certainly the all-time Wimbledon runnerup! And no player ever matched her consistency year in and year out for such a long time.

Rollo
Aug 2nd, 2002, 01:20 PM
The WTA also filed a protest in 1981 at Wimbledon over the seedings.

The US Open seedings that year wern't protested by the WTA because it followed the rankings.
After all, the association could hardly protest
their own rankings! Once the #2 seed Jaeger lost only Austin was left on one side, with Martina, Chris, and Hana on the other.

Mark43
Aug 2nd, 2002, 02:47 PM
Yeah the 1981 US Open seedings were beyond belief. Hana was riding a year of making all the slam finals. 1980 US Open to 1981 Wimbledon. 4 straight finals and she was seeded 5! I never understood why Jaeger was ranked #2 summer 1981. It also freaked me out that Tracy Austin remained ranked very high (around #3-5) even after her '81 US win fell off the rankings 1983-84. Wierd.

Zummi, I understand being upset about Hana being seeded above Martina at W '81. I feel the ranking system in '81 was suspect. Hana should have been ranked and seeded at least number 2 or 3. In 2002 if a player came into Wimbledon with 2 slam titles, one finals loss and one 4th round (W'80) in the previous 12 months they would be ranked about that, regardless of their regular tour performances.

To compare this to our current ranking system, once Jennifer made the semis of W'01, her ranking shot up to number 2 with a grand total of 3 victories under her belt (AO'01, FO'01 and FCC'01). She performed well at the slams and it showed in her ranking.

Rollo, I remember Tracy's half of the draw being so boring that year...who did she play in the semi's??? All I remember is that gorgeous late afternoon match between Martina and Chris bathed in golden light! They both had ribbons in their hair, both looked fantastic and it was probably my all time favorite Martina/Chris match up

Mark43
Aug 6th, 2002, 02:52 AM
Just a few hours away. I have already set my vcr.