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GoDominique
Jul 30th, 2002, 02:25 PM
I fail to understand why the thread 'biggest chokes of the year ???' was closed.
OK, you can post it in a more positive way, like 'best comeback' or something like that.
Still, I can't think of a better word than 'choke' for Martina's meltdown at the Australian Open.

If the topic is boring or nothing new then the thread will just die. If there are insults it can be closed.

What's the reason here ???

-Sonic-
Jul 30th, 2002, 02:29 PM
I agree. Especially when we have threads telling us who belongs in the top ten (not volcana's posts, they said subjective) and ones talking about the boringness of players.

KingA
Jul 30th, 2002, 02:32 PM
I agree too.... We all should have the equal opportunity to express our opinions....

Zamboni
Jul 30th, 2002, 03:22 PM
agreed too :)

jay_k
Jul 30th, 2002, 03:29 PM
I think who ever did that was over reacting .The thread had NOTHING to get locked .

We could have the same contents as in that thread but just with a different title ."Best Come-backs of the year " and it would do ????

Julie
Jul 30th, 2002, 03:33 PM
Consider it re-opened.

Mark43
Jul 30th, 2002, 03:37 PM
I just went to reply to the 'choking' thread and, what the hell, it is LOCKED.

Why?

This was by no means a negative, 'bashing' thread. I found it quite interesting but I guess some lame, anti-free speach bozo didn't.

Was it this person that did it:
Julie_
Team WTAworld
Princess Julie of NT
Moderator
"if you want a thread which celebrates all the best and worst of tennis this current year - then fine - but a single thread for biggest choker - i think not."

Very strange, and very surprising. The "i think not" part is the clencher. When does this 'Julie' person decide the content of the thread? Must they all be positive in her/his mind from now on, or get locked. Hmmm?

GoDominique
Jul 30th, 2002, 03:39 PM
I don't see it that way.

OK, 'choking' might be a negative expression, but to be influenced by your nerves is just human. When it happens it might be annoying for yourself and your fans and you might try to work on it, but it's an important part of tennis and makes the sport interesting.

irma
Jul 30th, 2002, 03:46 PM
there is nothing wrong when a player shows nerves in a while, I really don't get why people want to see their favs as perfect and only want to hear the good things she did and nice and sweet and all.
I admit I came to this conclusion when I spend a lot time on a fanzone on a certain board and the people their made their fav an God, angel and best human being in the world etc. it made me appreciate my own fav even more in the end:)
Steffi choked against Novotna once(in fact she did twice), I have no problems to say that, in fact I find it some achievement:)

griffin
Jul 30th, 2002, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by Mark35
some lame, anti-free speach bozo didn't

Well that was certainly a positive approach to the situation :rolleyes:

C'mon people, she reconsidered, agreed with you, and reopened the thread. I'd think "thanks" would be more appropriate at this point than harping on a decision that's already been reversed.

saki
Jul 30th, 2002, 04:21 PM
says Ms Griffin, power hungry dictator ;)

Mark43
Jul 30th, 2002, 04:27 PM
Griffin,

I posted that BEFORE the thread was reopened and I stick by what I said. No 'thank you's' neccessary, thank you very much!

GogoGirl
Jul 30th, 2002, 04:51 PM
I agree with the bunch. Why are some threads closed and others are not? Is it this forum that has the most closed threads?

It is like getting a "Foot Fault" call in tennis. Is it my imagination that certain players are called for the FFs and others are left alone to step all over the line?

-Sonic-
Jul 30th, 2002, 05:54 PM
thanks julie :)

griffin
Jul 30th, 2002, 06:08 PM
Mark35, the second half of my post was directed at people who hadn't posted just as Julie was opening the thread.

And no, you don't owe her a "thank you."

You owe her an appology for calling her a "bozo."

It's one thing to ask questions about why decisions get made (especially when you bother to give someone a chance to answer), it's another to just start slagging people.

Poe
Jul 30th, 2002, 07:12 PM
I posted that BEFORE the thread was reopened and I stick by what I said

What's great about that is, as usual, Julie comes out of this with a respectful response natural to somebody of her character while you're left hanging with no class whatsoever.

GoDominique
Jul 30th, 2002, 07:13 PM
Sorry griffin, but Julie did NOT agree. She has now edited her post, but what she had written at first was something like 'OK, I re-open the thread if you have to put down players', as if the topic was programmed to be a negative one.
Not that it matters all that much. But it was quite a sniffy reply by Julie which didn't deserve a 'thank you' IMO.

GoDominique
Jul 30th, 2002, 07:15 PM
And not too respectful, I might add.

Poe
Jul 30th, 2002, 07:15 PM
And as has been stated a million times on this board, if you have a problem with a decision take it up with a moderator privately! Don't open them up to be publicly bashed over and over in a topic. The same result could have been attained by a single private message.

GoDominique
Jul 30th, 2002, 07:49 PM
OK, I have only now read Julie's post in the other thread, so forget it. :)

And Poe: Sorry that I didn't use the PM. Although I think there's nothing wrong with discussing what should be appropriated on this board and what not. And, between civilised people, this should be possible without bashing moderators and their decisions.

Amanda
Jul 30th, 2002, 08:11 PM
This thread is officially CLOSED!

Mark43
Jul 30th, 2002, 09:03 PM
quote:
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I posted that BEFORE the thread was reopened and I stick by what I said
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What's great about that is, as usual, Julie comes out of this with a respectful response natural to somebody of her character while you're left hanging with no class whatsoever.
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My response to this...Oh please! I defend free speech on the internet, call a spade a spade and I am left hanging with no class whatsoever.

Shutting down a perfectly benign, harmless thread is censorship. I will take the classless moniker any day, as long as I get to read what I want and say what I want.

And the same goes for you to privately respond to messages.
Isn't calling someone classless in public, well, rather 'classless"?

The Crow
Jul 30th, 2002, 10:16 PM
Mark35,

first of all, *yawn* about the freedom of speech thing. If you would have total freedom of speech on this board (no censoring), I don't think you'd like the result in the long run.

second, you say "shutting down a perfectly benign, harmless thread"?? Yeah well, we have a lot of threads that started harmless, but that go into name-calling quite rapidly. I'm not saying the thread should have been closed, but I hope you understand how a thread about choking can end into that...

third, about the privately responding/reporting (to) messages, read the board policy again. By signing in here, you agreed to the rules, so act to them...

Free speech, yes, but under WTAWorld's rules. And remember we mods are human too (don't know about the administrators though ;))

Julie
Jul 30th, 2002, 10:19 PM
Enough already - this is going nowhere.

I closed that thread because i felt it would degrade into arguments, i truly believed i was pre-empting that. As of now i accept it hasnt turned out like that at all.

When i saw this thread, i re-addressed my decision and re-opened the thread. The problems i thought would occur haven't and i was proved wrong. Which irrespecvtive of what you would like to believe im actually happy about.

I was too quick to act and again i accept that, but i reopened the thread, and as such this continued debate is a little fruitless.

I do take offence to it being suggested that i was censoring the thread - if i was id have deleted it and you wouldnt even have known of its existence. I had real concerns for it, i was persuaded otherwise and changed that decision. If i was censoring i wouldnt have come back on that decision, and certianly wouldnt be here posting this now. Once again i accept was a little hasty, but guys, im human, and that means im not perfect - i make mistakes just like everyone, but i am prepared to put my hands in the air and say i was wrong, which i actually did do in the thread in question at the time.

I also take offence at being called an anti-free-speech bozo, its not true, its remarkably insulting, but i guess you cannot please everyone on these boards.



Id also like to thank those posters here who didnt feel the need to insult me and who posted in support of me. It is very much appreciated :)

The Crow
Jul 30th, 2002, 10:19 PM
Originally posted by GoDominique

And Poe: Sorry that I didn't use the PM. Although I think there's nothing wrong with discussing what should be appropriated on this board and what not. And, between civilised people, this should be possible without bashing moderators and their decisions.

Godom, your reasoning is correct till the "between civilised people" part ;)

baleineau
Jul 31st, 2002, 12:54 AM
what's with all the "thanks not for closing it Julie" statements i am seeing more and more of. talk about good old fashioned ass-licking.

and what's with all this "pre-empting"? don't tell me, you one looks at the participants, looks at the topic, and then takes action based on what might be talked about, rather than what is being talked about.

perhaps it's best just to kiss ass then, to keep future threads from being closed.

there's a fine line between moderator and dictator.

Poe
Jul 31st, 2002, 05:02 AM
I will take the classless moniker any day, as long as I get to read what I want and say what I want.

No argument here about you being a classless moniker. And as for me being classless for calling you on insulting one of our moderators, try again. That's one weak-ass argument.

And btw, you can't say whatever you want here. And whether you're willing to admit it, that's largely responsible for why you post here. Because people can actually have a legitimate discussion or two about tennis for you to either read, or participate in. Unlike the unmoderated boards that are so full of juvenile mud slinging you can't get a word in edge-wise without an insult.

Julie reversed her decision based on complaints that were submitted inappropriately with total respect for all the posters involved, and YOU were not willing to retract your instults to her. So you are in no position at all to criticise anybody.

We don't let people talk shit here. If you call that censorship, I really couldn't care less. You can call it whatever you want. We have rules. If you wanna call a player a bitch, if you want to post graphic violence or pornography, you can't do that here, we will remove it. That's why this tennis board is worth visiting. If that's censorship to you and you don't like it, post somewhere else because this site is not for you. End of story.

So anyone else who wants to cry freedom of speech, spare us. You have no idea what you're asking for, and if you got it, all you would do is bitch and moan like three year olds that the moderators aren't doing anything about it. Many of you are utterly impossible to please.

perhaps it's best just to kiss ass then, to keep future threads from being closed.

there's a fine line between moderator and dictator.


Hey guess what, you can kiss ass all you like, or not, and the moderators will still close ANY thread they please, at their discretion. If you can't handle that, click here (http://www.wtaworld.com/member.php?s=&action=logout). That's how this board has been run for over a year, and it is the most active tennis board in the world now. Your small, unoriginal dictator comments have no effect on how things are done here at all and never will. And you may notice that the ONLY people who ever throw that tired dictator crap at us are the people who have broken the rules and were punished for it. IE: Seen any whales lately hunkyalex?

If a dictatorship means somebody making the rules, and enforcing them without a vote, then yes, this is a dictatorship, not a democracy. It's a tennis board, not a country. Can you make the distinction?

Poe
Jul 31st, 2002, 05:23 AM
let me immerse myself further into this lovely dictator role by adding that next time you insult a moderator, nobody will waste any time arguing with you, we'll just kick your ass off the board :)