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TeeRexx
Jul 30th, 2002, 10:00 AM
Capriati may be the only player to go two seasons with only three titles and all of the titles were slams.

Could be a very interesting streak if she wins no more titles this year and grabs the Oz title in '03'.

AjdeNate!
Jul 30th, 2002, 10:02 AM
I know...she is so good about winning the ones that matter, isn't she! :) To me...I'd rather win 1 slam than a kajillion Tier2s, 3s, and 4s.

Williams Rulez
Jul 30th, 2002, 10:03 AM
Me too... :)

And Tee Rexx, sorry to burst your bubble, but she won a Tier 1 in 2001... :p

the_ancyent_m
Jul 30th, 2002, 10:04 AM
Hi there, ´Rexx, nice to meet an un-banned :p Tell me your secrets...

I wouldn´t mind her not winning any tournaments until she threepeats the Aussie Open :D

AjdeNate!
Jul 30th, 2002, 10:07 AM
1) 1990-10-22 San Juan
2) 1991-07-29 San Diego, California
3) 1991-08-05 Toronto
4) 1992-07-27 The Olympics at Barcelona
5) 1992-08-24 San Diego, California
6) 1993-01-11 Sydney
7) 1999-05-17 Strasbourg
8) 1999-11-01 Quebec
9) 2000-09-25 Luxembourg
10) 2001-01-15 Australian Open at Melbourne
11) 2001-04-16 Charleston, South Carolina
12) 2001-05-28 Roland Garros at Paris
13) 2002-01-14 Australian Open at Melbourne

VenusSerena
Jul 30th, 2002, 04:59 PM
well her grandlsam, she has, i do think she somewhat had a cakewalk draw. my personal opinion is that you have to beat a williams sister inorder to really have achieved winning the slam. some people think that is crazy. But really Jennifer's only deserving slam to me was 2001 French, where she beat Serena. Even though Serena was playin on the clay for the first time, and took jennifer to 3 sloppy sets. Anyway. But that is just what i think. And really the only reason why i think that is because i feel that if she had met a williams that had either played on the clay before the French, or was at the Aussie open and played her. I think she would have lost. I say that because in all her other slams recently when she has ran into a williams she has lost. don't talk about what i said. cuz i really don't care. and most likely won't reply. this is my "opinoin." you can tell me what you think of it. but don't tell me anything about my self. cuz i think i know who i am!

irma
Jul 30th, 2002, 05:05 PM
so cappy didn't deserve australia because venus and serena in 2001 and venus in 2002 didn't make it as far to meet her? LOL :rolleyes:

mn73
Jul 30th, 2002, 05:31 PM
That is absolute *******

Jen beat Seles, Davenport and Hingis to win the Aussie Open 2001 after losing her last five matches to each (or thereabouts!!!). That is an ACHIEVEMENT! If Venus went and lost 1-6 1-6 to Hingis and didn't meet her in the final, then it's not Jen's fault.

This argument is so boring - if Davenport, Hingis and Seles don't make winning a Slam worthwhile then probably all of Venus' aren't worth anything either.

R. DIS
Jul 30th, 2002, 05:35 PM
look who venus beat at wimbledon last year tauziat, davenport, then henin. at the french jen beat serea, hingis, and clijsters. Jen had a much more difficult draw than venus.

jay_k
Jul 30th, 2002, 05:44 PM
Nice to hear you say Capriati 4 a change TeeRexx.........Learn't your lesson i see(though the harder way ;))
VenusSerena ....you are the most "logical " person on this board (as you have proved here and the other threads you have posted in );)
Way to go :)

achamber
Jul 30th, 2002, 06:08 PM
I can not believe what sore losers some of you are. And some (not all) of you die hard Williams fans think the tennis world revolves around the almighty Serena and Venus. You are absolutely right about one thing though, a new rule should be added: If the winner of a slam doesn't defeat a Williams in route to a title it should be null, and not count as a slam win!!!! :rolleyes: Absolutely the most ridicules think I have ever heard! As if it is somehow Jenny's fauly that Venus couldn't handle Hingis or Seles (two very respectable players by the way) in Australia, or that she choked in the first round at the French... Like I said SORE LOSER!!!!!!!!

And btw nicely said R.Dis and Mark Newman. ;) Some people are quite delusional!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:

RAA
Jul 30th, 2002, 07:00 PM
I don't know why people want to cheapen grand slam wins. Jen has THREE. that's not luck, that's not easy draws, that's not a FLUKe, that is a great champion playing great tennis when she needs too.

VenusSerena
Jul 30th, 2002, 07:06 PM
but did the champion play great players on the way to her win? like i said, that was my opinoin, it doesn't change when people like "achamber " try and come in here and tell me about what i am and blah blah blah. i already told you that was my opinion and that is what i think. i base this all on results. Martina won 5 slams. She is not the martina of 97-99. She can't beat the powe players. I am basing this all on Jen and the Williams. Venus was injured at Aussie 2001 against Seles. Were you at the match like i was? Were you at the match were Venus lost to Testud like i was? Well then you will have to just keep on doing like everyone else is and "state" that you don't think she was injured, and blah blah. She was injured at both of those matches. Wasn't even running up to par. And wasn't going for her shots like she normally does. But that is beides the point. Its my opinion, its how i feel. And you telling me what i am and how i am and the "sore looser" BS, doesn't mean shit to me. It has gone though one ear and out the other. just like anyones next post towards me will. much luv

Jericho
Jul 30th, 2002, 07:11 PM
as a williams fan i would like to say that i think that she deserved all 3 of them...this may be off topic but i thought venus deserved the POY because she won the last 2 slams which are arguably the most prestigious, won the "5th slam", won two other tournaments, won tournaments on 3 different surfaces, beat the other likely candidate (cappy) 2 or 3 times that year...in my opinion cappys comeback story helped her get the award along with her achievements that year...

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 30th, 2002, 07:27 PM
VenusSerena is entitled to her opinion even if you or I disagree. Funny how some people harp about having their opinon but then turn around and bite someone elses head off for having one.

Personally I think Jen deserved all of her Slam wins and like mark said its not her fault it other players couldn't make it through the draw. It doesn't matter if they were injured, sick, or just got their butts whooped because a loss is a loss and a win is a win. Also Venus didn't retire in those matches so no matter what she thought she could still win it. she didn't. oh well there will be other slams, other tournaments.

also i think it stinks that so many people take what venusSerena said, eventhough she said it was her own person opinion, and then blast all williams fans. Im tired of that. Its simple minded and boring and repetitive. Get a new tune to sing, okay, because I'm bored.

cyb

harloo
Jul 30th, 2002, 11:55 PM
I agree with Cyber, venuserena has a right to his/her opinion just like everyone else on this board feels the need to say what the hell they wan't.

IMO, though anyone can argue back and forth about this topic. You can say that Jen's gs wins are not valid because she had a powderpuff draw, or Venus and Serena are dominating the tour now because of the absence of Martina and Lindsay, Or Jen isn't the real #1, all that type of stuff. However in reality, even if I don't prefer Miss Manners I see the reality that she is a great champion who deserves her wins just like everyone else. In a slam, the thing that matters is if you are the last woman standing. It doesn't matter who loses early, pull out, is out with injury, there is no excuse. In the end, the record books will give you credit for being a slam champion.:D

villa
Jul 31st, 2002, 01:08 AM
Originally posted by achamber
I can not believe what sore losers some of you are. And some (not all) of you die hard Williams fans think the tennis world revolves around the almighty Serena and Venus. You are absolutely right about one thing though, a new rule should be added: If the winner of a slam doesn't defeat a Williams in route to a title it should be null, and not count as a slam win!!!! :rolleyes: Absolutely the most ridicules think I have ever heard! As if it is somehow Jenny's fauly that Venus couldn't handle Hingis or Seles (two very respectable players by the way) in Australia, or that she choked in the first round at the French... Like I said SORE LOSER!!!!!!!!

And btw nicely said R.Dis and Mark Newman. ;) Some people are quite delusional!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:

Theirs only 1 williams fan with that opinion so why are you adressing your post like theirs more??:rolleyes:

Williams Rulez
Jul 31st, 2002, 10:18 AM
VenusSerena... you have your right to your opinion, but frankly, I think it is bullshit. If Jennifer won them, she is deserving of it. If Venus or Serena failed to make it to the finals, failed to defeat her, tough luck.

And Jennifer is good at choosing titles to win... ;)

Jakeev
Jul 31st, 2002, 11:12 AM
Williams fans defending Jennifer? Ami in the right messageboard? AM I reading things? Do I need to stop smoking dawn marie's backyard-grown sustances?

Somebody make me snap out of it.......

TeeRexx
Jul 31st, 2002, 01:47 PM
I thought the 3 slams and no other titles was neither good nor bad, just interesting.

Just makes one wonder how that could happen just as when a former #1 went slamless for three years as well.

Raisin
Jul 31st, 2002, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by RAA
I don't know why people want to cheapen grand slam wins. Jen has THREE. that's not luck, that's not easy draws, that's not a FLUKe, that is a great champion playing great tennis when she needs too.

Ditto

wongqks
Jul 31st, 2002, 02:27 PM
I am sorry to jump on the bandwagon, but by your theory, Serena does not deserve her wimbledon title, I mean all she beat is Venus and other unknown like amelie and Daniela :rolleyes:

Sam L
Jul 31st, 2002, 02:39 PM
Well I think you really need to look at how she won these grand slams.

AO 2001 QF down 5-7 2-4 or something against Seles, won her 1st round match 7-5 in the 3rd set.

FO 2001 Finals was 2 points away from losing.

AO 2002 Finals was down 4 match points.

I know a WIN is a WIN, but when a player can't repeat those performances, one has to wonder...

Jenn can prove me wrong by winning a slam without dropping a set. Hingis, Davenport, Venus, Serena, Seles, Graf, they all have done it.

sherry
Jul 31st, 2002, 03:05 PM
Hey Sam L,
A win is a win is a win. I could care less if V & S beat in 2 or 3 sets as long as they win the slam. When they first came on, I always wanted them to demolish their opponents and prove the naysayers wrong and that they were indeed the real deal. Now, that they have proven that, I actually prefer a more competitive 3 set match to watch. I'm not a fan of JCap but she is just as deserving of her slam titles as V & S are of their titles or anyone else for that matter. And, it does not matter whether it took her 2 or 3 sets ---- a win is a win is a win. don't get mad at me. Just my opinion.:wavey:

sherry
Jul 31st, 2002, 03:09 PM
Sam L,
Also, one could argue that being down in those slam finals and fighting back to win it is a mark of a good champion. She overcame her nerves to pull it out.

jay_k
Jul 31st, 2002, 04:27 PM
Can someone help me with this ?:)
How many times have Venus and Serena WON a match after having match points against them??
Just wanted to know:) .I am not critizing any player so please don't attack me .lol

Venus saving a number of match points against Jennifer in 2001 at the ERICSSON OPEN is the only one i can remember

TS
Jul 31st, 2002, 04:34 PM
LOL at the ridiculous comments made by a certain poster in this thread :rolleyes:

VenusSerena, how are those grapes tasting?

Geez, in response to your idiocy I could fill this post up with a countless number of these -----> :rolleyes:

harloo
Aug 1st, 2002, 12:22 AM
Originally posted by jay_k
Can someone help me with this ?:)
How many times have Venus and Serena WON a match after having match points against them??
Just wanted to know:) .I am not critizing any player so please don't attack me .lol

Venus saving a number of match points against Jennifer in 2001 at the ERICSSON OPEN is the only one i can remember

:rolleyes:
And what does this question have to do with anything? So are you saying that since someone wins a match and they had matchpoints against them, then they are a better player if they happened to win? A win is a win.
:rolleyes:

The majority of top players has faced mp, and wen't on to win. So I don't understand where you are coming from with this.

R. DIS
Aug 1st, 2002, 01:18 AM
Originally posted by Sam L
Jenn can prove me wrong by winning a slam without dropping a set. Hingis, Davenport, Venus, Serena, Seles, Graf, they all have done it.

What an idiot, no one is gonna say look at Jen she never won a slam without dropping a set. Give me a break no one cares about the score only the result. I think it shows more about the player if they have tough draws and win than if they have easy draws and win.

Sam L
Aug 1st, 2002, 01:19 PM
R. DIS ----> My point, Jenn got lucky in all those slams she won. She won't get that luck again :p :p :p

Messenger
Aug 1st, 2002, 02:08 PM
I would say that Tauziat-Davenport-Henin on grass is about the same difficulty as Williams-Hingis-Clijsters on clay.

PamShriver
Aug 1st, 2002, 05:33 PM
Personally, there is no value in any Grand Slam won after 1997 when, I, Pamela Howard Shriver retired from tennis! If you don't beat Pam it might as well be SPAM!!! My grandmother has that needlepointed into a doily...