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Iceland
Feb 16th, 2008, 07:11 PM
As often, Marion's injury was not so worrying and she is already back on tennis courts. She had one good week to recover. On the last pictures I saw, Marion looks a bit fitter. I really hope she is working on her shape, I'm sure that all her injuries stem from a lack of fitness. On the other side, she is certainly not used yet to her new serve hence her back problems, she is serving way faster than before, her body has to deal with it.

Anyway, we will see how she is doing in Doha:

(4) Sharapova - Bye
K.Bondarenko vs Daniilidou
(WC) Kerber vs Q
(WC) Lisicki vs (14) Mauresmo

(10) Petrova vs Medina Garrigues
Kirilenko vs Q
Chan vs Wozniacki
(8) Bartoli - Bye

Her first match should be a nice way to enter the tournament. Caro can be tough, but Marion will probably kill her with her returns of serve :drool:. Then I don't know who to expect ... yet she should make it safely to the QF if she is fine. A match against Maria would be a positive test then, it's probably her goal for the week!

Allez Marion!!!!!!!! :bounce:

Dave.
Feb 17th, 2008, 01:08 PM
I just want her to get to the QF and have a chance at Maria for now. She shouldn't lose to any of the players she has in her section, but she could lose if she doesn't play well.

Schnyderfreak
Feb 18th, 2008, 11:34 AM
Alleez Marion!!! It would be great to reach the qf here against Maria.
More important is to get back into last year's playing form which was already noticeable in Paris.

Dave.
Feb 18th, 2008, 04:47 PM
Marion will start her Doha campaign against Caroline Wozniacki, who beat Yung-Jan Chan 3-6 6-2 6-3. She took just over 2 hours to win, so hopefully that works in Marion's favour if they play tommorow. Good luck Marion!

Schnyderfreak
Feb 19th, 2008, 09:46 AM
yes ALLEEZ MARION!! good luck against Wozniacki

Order of Play
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Doha-QAT
February 18-24, 2008
$2,500,000

Tuesday, February 19, 2008


Court 1 (from 15.30hrs)

1. Wozniacki vs. Bartoli:bounce:

2. Szavay vs. Sugiyama
3. V.Williams/Wozniacki vs. Dushevina/Likhovtseva
4. Safarova/Zvonareva vs. Garbin/Peer

let's make a good start this tournament by beating her. She had a tough match yesterday so she'll be a bit stiff today so break her as early as possible!!!

Dave.
Feb 19th, 2008, 01:09 PM
This match should be on Centre!

Marion is currently 2-5 down though. :sad:

Iceland
Feb 19th, 2008, 03:57 PM
More rain than sun for Marion. She lost in a horrible way to Wozniacki 62 63.
Total slump due to bad fitness and zero confidence. Still no great results since Wimbledon :sad:.
Please work on your shape!!!

Schnyderfreak
Feb 19th, 2008, 06:11 PM
More rain than sun for Marion. She lost in a horrible way to Wozniacki 62 63.
Total slump due to bad fitness and zero confidence. Still no great results since Wimbledon :sad:.
Please work on your shape!!!

and start with confidence and mental toughness.
I´ve seen you really fight to win matches Marion that you should always do cuz that makes losing acceptable.
today was bad but work for better results in the future!

Super_Marion
Feb 19th, 2008, 09:50 PM
Hi Iceland,

You keep talking about Marion's physical condition. But how can you tell she isnt fit? Can you read so much just by looking at someone? Ok, if someone is several stone overweight then maybe you can. It's obvious, when someone is that shape.

However, unless you have special insight I am not privvy to friend, then are you not just being a little subjective with your opinion? Are you not just being influenced by forum culture.. 'Marion cake this.. Candy that.. Bla bla bla.'

I know you are supportive of Marion in competition. But more evidence is needed to support your impression regarding her fitness.

Respect to you.

Iceland
Feb 19th, 2008, 10:02 PM
I am not saying that Marion is fat just as people on General Messages do, still, I don't think she is perfectly fit. She said herself that she is training more on her game than on her shape. Since this period, she has lost so many matches after having won the first set or suffered from injuries. The most obvious answer is to me that she is not fit enough to play her best tennis during a whole tournament.
She said for today's loss that she didn't have enough time to train because of her back injury & some illness. I believe her.

When I say fitness problems, it's not a question of movement for me, I am more worried about her inabality to play well back-to-back events & her little physical problems. She needs to strengthen her body, she is not old, she shouldn't have those little injuries all the time.
I am not a tennis specialist, so I can't really say ... I just want the best for Marion ;).

Super_Marion
Feb 19th, 2008, 10:37 PM
She has lost matches in that fashion, as you say. But I dont see a correlation between that, and her fitness.

I dont want to sound boring by repeating myself :D but if we want to talk about results then we should just look at the exponential improvement in her ranking year on year. And the fact that last season was her best so far (despite starting unpromisingly).

I dont consider her injuries the result of a LACK of fitness. But if anything, the result of HYPER-fitness!

What I am saying is that what some people are attributing as fat, is in fact muscle. Muscularity and injury are correlated. And where she has been host to fat cells before, those cells have since been converted to muscle.

Force activities encourages the development of new blood vessels, and actually use fat tissue as the building blocks of muscle tissue. In other words fat is literally converted to muscle.

This is the process I think Marion has underwent. It's a difficult trade off. Muscle bulk has advantages and disadvantages. She seems to be trying to get more power on her serve.

As for back to back consistency. Players of a similar rank go through that. As has been said, it's probably more mental than physical. Although I do think that cold events are better for Marion than hot.

Thanks Iceland for the explanation, and speedy reply :) I always find you a thought provoking poster.

Iceland
Feb 20th, 2008, 08:11 AM
Maybe you're right! In any case, I really hope she stops being injured so often ... there must be a solution! It's really embarrassing to see her losing 2 & 3 to a player outside the top 50 - even though Caroline is talented. But indeed, Marion is looking for confidence ; in that respect, I think she should have played Memphis instead of Dubaï. She will be seeded there of course, but the field is so strong that she could face Serena Williams, Nicole Vaidisova or Patty Schnyder in R1 :scared:. I can't see her going far in such conditions :sad:. I am hoping to be wrong though ;).
Concerning the warm events, you're absolutely right.

Thanks as well, Super-Marion! You are bringing some optimism & freshness here :bounce:.

bruce goose
Feb 21st, 2008, 02:29 AM
Well,since we're being honest about NOT being doctors,I'll offer the possibility that certain fracture-related injuries,even when they heal well enough to allow normal activity,leave the affected area vulnerable to the extent that FUTURE injuries in that same part of the body are more likely.This takes into account Iceland's observation that there've been too many injuries while also acknowledging Super M's comment that Marion has actually gotten in BETTER shape recently(in contrast with the 'fatso' remarks which stream from ill-informed idiots).I've seen American team sports athletes who were in SUPERB physical condition yet continued to get hurt over and over again...let's hope that our Queen doesn't encounter this.

Given Hantuchova's recent health setbacks and losses--and Serena's inactivity--this is prime time for Marion to solidify her ranking.Fortunately,we're still early in the year and she has plenty of opportunities to turn this around.:bounce::) Maybe you're right! In any case, I really hope she stops being injured so often ... there must be a solution! It's really embarrassing to see her losing 2 & 3 to a player outside the top 50 - even though Caroline is talented. But indeed, Marion is looking for confidence ; in that respect, I think she should have played Memphis instead of Dubaï. She will be seeded there of course, but the field is so strong that she could face Serena Williams, Nicole Vaidisova or Patty Schnyder in R1 :scared:. I can't see her going far in such conditions :sad:. I am hoping to be wrong though ;).
Concerning the warm events, you're absolutely right.

Thanks as well, Super-Marion! You are bringing some optimism & freshness here :bounce:.

Dave.
Feb 23rd, 2008, 11:37 PM
Dubai draw has been released.

Marion is seeded 7th. She will first play Schiavone, and then either Bammer or a qualifier. Likely QF meeting with Henin.

Good luck Marion!

Renalicious
Feb 24th, 2008, 07:47 AM
Good luck Marion! :D At least make the quarters. :) Then you can avenge your Madrid loss in the QF - Justine's not in super form... :)

Iceland
Feb 24th, 2008, 08:59 AM
I don't really like this draw ... Francesca on a good day can be pretty dangerous & she has the advantage of having won their last meeting ... Yet Marion has chances to reach QF ; the only thing that we can't know is her state of confidence. This time she won't have the support of the crowd like in Paris :unsure:.
We'll see. It's not the toughest draw possible at least & she will still have good matches under her belt to meet Justine.

Allez Marion :).

Schnyderfreak
Feb 24th, 2008, 09:43 PM
ALLEEZZ MARION!!Good luck in Dubai starting against Francesca!
A difficult opponent can be good sometimes cuz you know you have to be sharp and show your best game to beat her.keep believing in your game Marion you have the weapons to make anyone's life difficult but you have to fight now to get back into your good form again.

Super_Marion
Feb 25th, 2008, 11:03 AM
well said schnyderfreak

bruce goose
Feb 25th, 2008, 03:39 PM
In fact,this is one of the deepest NON-Slam draws that I can recall as evidenced by Top 20 Radwanska being forced to enter through qualifying(of course,there WERE some MD wildcards who were lower-ranked than 'Aggie').As I type this,your favorite gal is doing battle with Elena D.---IN THE 1st ROUND!! Now THAT'S a sign of a deep,talented field.If Marion can advance far in THIS tournament,then this would indicate that she's snapped out of her early-season doldrums. ALLEEZZ MARION!!Good luck in Dubai starting against Francesca!
A difficult opponent can be good sometimes cuz you know you have to be sharp and show your best game to beat her.keep believing in your game Marion you have the weapons to make anyone's life difficult but you have to fight now to get back into your good form again.

Iceland
Feb 25th, 2008, 03:56 PM
Marion plays in 2nd position in Court1. It's sad to see that she has never the favours of Center Court! I hope I can be back on time for this match ... I hate to discover the result! :o
Allez!

Schnyderfreak
Feb 25th, 2008, 07:56 PM
In fact,this is one of the deepest NON-Slam draws that I can recall as evidenced by Top 20 Radwanska being forced to enter through qualifying(of course,there WERE some MD wildcards who were lower-ranked than 'Aggie').As I type this,your favorite gal is doing battle with Elena D.---IN THE 1st ROUND!! Now THAT'S a sign of a deep,talented field.If Marion can advance far in THIS tournament,then this would indicate that she's snapped out of her early-season doldrums.

Yes I agree this is a very remarkable draw indeed. What about some possible 2nd round ties like Ivanovic vs. Vaidisova, Henin vs Petrova(what a slump this year:eek:), Safina vs.Chakvetadze, Sharapova vs.Mauresmo and Kuznetsova vs.Li.These surely sound like QF's or SF's to me.
To get far in this tournament she must beat Schiavone, Bammer and then she faces Henin..........in the QF.the first two matches are good tests for her to see where she stands.Confidencewise she can sure use a QF and a set off Henin to get her back on track.
Now let's take it one match at a time starting tommorow at court 1 against Francesca.good test for your serving returns and passing shots against a serve and volley minded player.
:bounce:AAALLLEEEEEZZZ MARION!!!:bounce:

PS: Hi Supermarion it's been a while :wavey:

Super_Marion
Feb 25th, 2008, 08:29 PM
Hi Supermarion it's been a while :wavey:
Too long! :)

Super_Marion
Feb 25th, 2008, 08:39 PM
Marion lost to Janko and Justine in May/June. Then Marion defeated both of them within a month. That's Marion. She can do the same with Franny too. I hope so.

Hit her with your superbé returns. Cummon. Yeah.

bruce goose
Feb 26th, 2008, 01:36 AM
Of course the ladies need to rest now and then,but the WTA should try to offer incentives for gathering these types of fields as often as plausible.Tennis is one of the few sports where the women's game is more loved than the men's,and there's an almost palapable excitement when you can assemble the high-performing,sometimes-high-profile queens outside of a Slam event.I think that it increases the already-high level of interest in the Tour.

Marion is 0-2 vs. Schiavone but I don't suspect that she would have any mental block to beating Francesca.Henin may have had her confidence shaken slightly by the ass-whupping that Sharapova gave her.Justine still won in Antwerp yet her overall play has been spotty...we'll see how it all unfolds.:wavey: Yes I agree this is a very remarkable draw indeed. What about some possible 2nd round ties like Ivanovic vs. Vaidisova, Henin vs Petrova(what a slump this year:eek:), Safina vs.Chakvetadze, Sharapova vs.Mauresmo and Kuznetsova vs.Li.These surely sound like QF's or SF's to me.
To get far in this tournament she must beat Schiavone, Bammer and then she faces Henin..........in the QF.the first two matches are good tests for her to see where she stands.Confidencewise she can sure use a QF and a set off Henin to get her back on track.
Now let's take it one match at a time starting tommorow at court 1 against Francesca.good test for your serving returns and passing shots against a serve and volley minded player.
:bounce:AAALLLEEEEEZZZ MARION!!!:bounce:

PS: Hi Supermarion it's been a while :wavey:

Bartoli's Boy
Feb 26th, 2008, 03:05 PM
Poor Marion. :sad: She looked sickly playing Schiavone. Did she look like that in the Wozniacki match before, because I didn't see it. She must still have the stomach bug? I mean, Marion often looks quite tired during her matches, even though she's OK... but today she looked really run down.

I worry about her sometimes, because she seems determined to play every tournament, and finish every match, no matter what. She probably should have waited a bit longer before playing again.

Iceland
Feb 26th, 2008, 03:21 PM
Such matches show how low on confidence she is at the moment :sad:. I have to say that I can't stand the fact that for the second time this year, she is getting thrashed in the third set :(. I'm repeating myself but for me it's due to bad fitness, she was certainly too tired to play at the same level as in the second set.

She will have two weeks to prepare herself for Indian Wells. First time this year that she will have points to defend. Hope she will do well :hug:. Keep fighting Marion!

Schnyderfreak
Feb 26th, 2008, 06:28 PM
Yes this is a real pity:sad: :crying:. She's totally out of form!!!Self confidence is also at its lowest now so she has a tough task. But when you're at this point she can only work hard after this dissappointment and then be sharp and fit at Indian Wells.
AAALLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZ MARION!!

bruce goose
Feb 26th, 2008, 06:38 PM
This might sound superficial but I don't give a shit:it's sort of annoying that Marion is now 0-3 vs. a player who had a LONG history of choking under pressure(excepting Fed Cup).With this latest drought I'm hoping that Marion will get some kind of stroke of good fortune--perhaps even in her personal realm--that will lift her spirits and bolster her back to her level.She'll get it back at some point,preferably sooner rather than later...Vamos Reina de Corsica!!:worship:Yes this is a real pity:sad: :crying:. She's totally out of form!!!Self confidence is also at its lowest now so she has a tough task. But when you're at this point she can only work hard after this dissappointment and then be sharp and fit at Indian Wells.
AAALLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZ MARION!!

Super_Marion
Feb 26th, 2008, 08:34 PM
Poor Marion. :sad: She looked sickly playing Schiavone. Did she look like that in the Wozniacki match before, because I didn't see it. She must still have the stomach bug? I mean, Marion often looks quite tired during her matches, even though she's OK... but today she looked really run down.

I worry about her sometimes, because she seems determined to play every tournament, and finish every match, no matter what. She probably should have waited a bit longer before playing again.
You're always so concerned for her Bartoli's Boy. That's sweet. :)

Bartoli's Boy
Feb 26th, 2008, 10:37 PM
:o I guess I'm just a worrier...

bruce goose
Feb 27th, 2008, 04:49 AM
AYE care about her,too,even though other folks might overlook that amidst some of my off-the-wall comments.Any woman who is willing to be somewhat of an outsider for a non-superficial agenda has at least a modicum of respect from me,and Marion has far more than this minimum amount.This is one of the secondary reasons why lots of fans have cheered for the Williams girls:they don't come from the Tennis Establishment and,to a lesser extent,Marion represents that same sort of underdog appeal. :o I guess I'm just a worrier...

infineon
Feb 28th, 2008, 09:39 PM
:o I guess I'm just a worrier...

No, it's cool :) Schiavone d. Juju 7-6 7-6 LOL

So Marion is still the only one to grab a set from Schiavone! :lol:

bruce goose
Feb 29th, 2008, 01:21 AM
Maybe you just have a better attitude than I do;because of the struggles,we'll all probably appreciate it even more when Marion is a Slam Champion one day.:) No, it's cool :) Schiavone d. Juju 7-6 7-6 LOL

So Marion is still the only one to grab a set from Schiavone! :lol:

Super_Marion
Feb 29th, 2008, 09:19 PM
Sun will shine for Marion, at Indian Wells? 10 days and counting.

Box their bottoms like Skippy the kangaroo! Swoosh all your opponents away like mosquito's! We support you all they way Marion. Always.

:)

bruce goose
Mar 1st, 2008, 02:16 AM
These comments were more logically-humorous than the original 'Dear Hamster' version.:)Let's all hope that the California desert is more agreeable to Marion than the Mesopotamian was.Sun will shine for Marion, at Indian Wells? 10 days and counting.

Box their bottoms like Skippy the kangaroo! Swoosh all your opponents away like mosquito's! We support you all they way Marion. Always.

:)

Super_Marion
Mar 4th, 2008, 01:00 AM
Hamster, pertaining to Cobaye Corse. Actually It's a guinea pig I understand, not a hammy.

Cute as the name is, I dont know if it's progenitors intended it to be flattering. :(

bruce goose
Mar 4th, 2008, 02:06 AM
Thanks go to my Yahoo mailbox for saving your earlier version which you had edited by the time that I visited this thread.Your cute,lively imagination is tempting me to make another 'forward much' comment but I'll refrain for a while.;)

Marion is directly on the threshold of the magic Top 8 YEC-caliber ranking,and this would be a career high for her,would it not?I ask this question with a rudimentary understanding of the ranking system.As I gather it,Hantuchova--whom I have a bit of a crush on:help:--needs to defend her title at IW or she'll lose a lot of points.If true,then this would mean that Marion is in prime position to overtake Daniela.It might seem too early to ponder such things but I want Marion to start thinking with a championship mentality...to be more focused and less..."mercurial".:lol:;) Hamster, pertaining to Cobaye Corse. Actually It's a guinea pig I understand, not a hammy.

Cute as the name is, I dont know if it's progenitors intended it to be flattering. :(