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G1Player2
Jul 28th, 2002, 05:52 AM
Some people have said Lindsay looks SO fit... Well looks can be deceiving. Tonight after I saw the KIm-Lindsay semifinal, Lindsay just looked out of it. Especially in the 3rd set, she looked incredibly winded. Kim just simply wore her out. Kim's serve,also, today, was very mediocre at best. It just seemed like Lindsay ran out of gas so fast. She stopped going for balls,(I mean they were rgh in front of her), and Kim just tried to keep her out there as ong as possible, and it worked, something most players do against her. Lindsay has never been one to go the distance in LONG matches. She tries to get off court as fast as possible. Lindsay better start going back to the gym and get as fit as possible, or she'll have more matches like this, where she looks like she can barely catch a breath.

AjdeNate!
Jul 28th, 2002, 05:55 AM
It's what, like her 3rd match in 9 months... Terrific effort from Linds to get to the semis!

nysaga
Jul 28th, 2002, 06:17 AM
Originally posted by SVSK
Some people have said Lindsay looks SO fit... Well looks can be deceiving. Tonight after I saw the KIm-Lindsay semifinal, Lindsay just looked out of it. Especially in the 3rd set, she looked incredibly winded. Kim just simply wore her out. Kim's serve,also, today, was very mediocre at best. It just seemed like Lindsay ran out of gas so fast. She stopped going for balls,(I mean they were rgh in front of her), and Kim just tried to keep her out there as ong as possible, and it worked, something most players do against her. Lindsay has never been one to go the distance in LONG matches. She tries to get off court as fast as possible. Lindsay better start going back to the gym and get as fit as possible, or she'll have more matches like this, where she looks like she can barely catch a breath.


I don't think you have a clue about tennis. This was her first tournament in almost 9 months. To reach the semifinals and beat quality players along the way is amazing. Lindsay is super fit. Now all she needs is match play.

JCFan
Jul 28th, 2002, 06:21 AM
I think we are already spoiled by the fact she got to the semis. She realistically should've only won a round or so. I agree, 9 months is a seriously long lay-off and it's great she got this far. Hopefully by US Open time she'll be back in the groove for good.

cynicole
Jul 28th, 2002, 06:44 AM
Originally posted by nysaga


I don't think you have a clue about tennis. This was her first tournament in almost 9 months. To reach the semifinals and beat quality players along the way is amazing. Lindsay is super fit. Now all she needs is match play.

I agree.

I also noticed, in her match against Dokic, that Lindsay wasn't even serving as fast as she used to. (I mean, Lisa Raymond was serving harder than Lindsay was.) How was her serve tonight?

The Davenport I saw looked really fit, physically. But she still needs time and some match toughness. I was shocked by how well she did against Kremer and Dokic. I had seen Kremer's previous match and saw the Davenport vs. Dokic match. Good stuff.

TS
Jul 28th, 2002, 06:46 AM
What Seles, nysaga, JCFan and cynicole said ;)

Williams Rulez
Jul 28th, 2002, 08:06 AM
Well, I must admit I'm a little spoilt... I expected her to reach the finals... :o

Well, I guess Lindsay is just lacking match practise... :)

-Fienesse-
Jul 28th, 2002, 08:31 AM
Anyway...Kim is in the final again!!!:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

Weevee
Jul 28th, 2002, 01:53 PM
SVSK I didn't see the match.Thanks for your perspective on Lindsay's condition. She did quite well and I hope she'll be getting stronger and fitter in the weeks ahead.

Sampanda
Jul 28th, 2002, 02:40 PM
Looking good and being fit to participate at the highest level of tennis are two different things. I think it's tremendous that she has had good results so early after returning. Hopefully she won't overdo it in an effort to peak for the US Open but getting to the semi's is a terrific accomplishment after all the time she's been off and the severity of her injury.

It's great to see Lindsay back. It's important to have as many top women playing and that the outcome of matches/tournaments is not a foregone conclusion. The more competition, the better for the tour!

tennischick
Jul 28th, 2002, 03:10 PM
SVSK you're absolutely right. folks were carrying on as if Lindsay was fully back when the truth is that she was and is very rusty. i hope she does come back all the way but it will take time. i agree with you that it was too soon to proclaim her as being back and fit as ever (which is what a lot of folks were doing) when she clearly was not.

cynicole
Jul 28th, 2002, 03:23 PM
She didn't look rusty against Dokic. (And Dokic was playing very well in that first set.) Sure, her serve was around high 80s to high 90s but everything else looked very good.

She probably just ran out of steam. Kim was her 2nd top-10 opponent in 2 days.

tennischick
Jul 28th, 2002, 03:39 PM
Davenport: Is she ready to challenge the Williams sisters?

By Sandra Harwitt
********************

There's no denying that the buzz around tennis circles for most of this year has focused on the sheer brilliance of the "sisters" Venus and Serena Williams. The constant mention of the siblings being considered practically invincible to all but each other was solidified when the two reached the final of both Roland Garros and Wimbledon with Serena taking the honors on each occasion. The family Grand Slam tally currently stands at four Grand Slam trophies for Venus with Serena closing in quickly with three titles of her own.

All this dominance has naturally brought up the question as to whether this is actually the best scenario for the women's game? Despite their both having intriguing personalities and the fact that there matches against each other are proving to improve, will fans start to get bored with an ongoing all-Williams family Grand Slam final show?

Of course, the outgrowth to this worry is whether there is anyone out there to challenge Venus and Serena?

Naturally, the name of Jennifer Capriati comes up, but at this point the three-time Grand Slam winner is not working any wonders when she faces the sisters. For instance, in four matches played against Serena this year, the reigning two-time Australian Open champion is 0-4 in terms of success. The lowdown on Capriati, which is not a new revelation, is that she needs to improve her serve and carve it into a weapon. For a player of her size, her first serve should pack more punch and not falter as often as it does when she gets nervous. As for Capriati's second serve, it simply is not reliable enough to get the ball in play when she's in a jam, often leaving her double faulting at crucial moments.

DAVENPORT'S MAKES SOLID RETURN
After the brief evaluation on Capriati, the one name that repeatedly surfaces as a possible serious challenge for Venus and Serena is Lindsay Davenport, the player who ended 2001 as the No. 1 but was sidelined with an injury from the start of 2002. Now that Davenport has returned to the court after undergoing right knee surgery in January, the Southern Californian was being carefully scrutinized on her first outing at the Fed Cup competition against Israel this past weekend in Springfield, Missouri. The scouting report brought some good news although there were moments when she appeared rusty, she came through her matches rather unscathed. Interestingly, she scored a 6-3, 6-3 over Anna Smashnova in her first match of the event, a player who has scored some very impressive victories all season long, but struggled against unknown Tzipi Obziler before securing the match in a third-set tiebreaker.

Of the win over Smashnova, Davenport said, "You know, any time you can win over a Top 20 player, you've got to be happy. My first match back in so long, that I'm even walking afterwards, I'm very, very happy that my knee held up and everything went smoothly. So, I mean, for me it's a 10. I know I have to get better and I'm going to get better. But all things considered, it's just a great way for me to start off again after not playing for so long."

Davenport has done her homework and discussed what to expect when on the comeback trail after a lengthy injury time-off with other players who have experienced a similar situation. She seems aware that it's not going to be a walk in the park that she isn't just going to return to the level that brought her three Grand Slam titles the '98 U.S. Open, '99 Wimbledon and '00 Australian Open.

PREPARED FOR THE RIGORS OF HEALING
"Just to start off with a win and physically right now I feel really great all of that stuff is going to help me," said Davenport, after beating Smashnova. "But I don't know the level of my game or how consistent it will be. I really have never been off this long. A lot of times the people I've spoken with who have had injuries said to expect up and downs, and it takes a little while until you really feel like you were before the surgery, before the injury."

It's not surprising that Davenport is the person that comes to most minds when the search is on for a player that could score against Venus and Serena. After all, she matches them in size and power, two factors that seem essential to fare well against the siblings. In career meetings, Davenport holds a slight 10-9 edge over Venus, but trails Serena by 7-2. The last time that Davenport played Venus was in the New Haven final almost a year ago and Venus scored the win. Davenport, who has lost to Serena the last three times they've played, was scheduled to face Serena in the 2001 Championships final in November, but having re-injured her knee in the semifinal against Kim Clijsters, withdrew from the match. Without a doubt, it would be foolhardy to expect Davenport to be able to mount a real winning effort practically the minute she steps on the court. Despite that fact, tennis pundits will be watching this week's Bank of the West Classic very closely in hopes that Davenport might come up against Venus Williams during the week. At this point, however, it would be advisable for the conservative gambler to put their money on another All-Williams final to take place at the upcoming U.S. Open.

carling
Jul 28th, 2002, 04:57 PM
Lindsey looks incredible and is playing better than anyone would have expected. It's ridiculous to criticize her fitness! Anyone who actully PLAYS tennis, knows that you can practice 6 hours a day for weeks, but there is no substitute for real match play. When was the last time Lindsey played a 3 set match against a top player? Of course she was winded at the end! The girl has been off the tour for 9 MONTHS. Lindsey got tired because her body is no longer used to the physical demands of playing at the professional level. Judging by her results this week, Lindsey should be in top form by the end of the year.

For God sakes, give credit where credit is due! Lindsey has obviously worked extremely hard during her recovery period. Her physical transformation is even more impressive than Capriati's. Kournikova was off the tour for 7-8 months and is still struggling. Lindsey made it to the semis in her first tournament back, beating some excellent players along the way and extending Kim C. to 3 sets. Lindsey is awesome. She is THE player that will challenge Venus and Serena.

brunof
Jul 28th, 2002, 05:42 PM
I guess Lindsay just plain stinks. She is sooooooo awful!

Monica_Rules
Jul 28th, 2002, 05:46 PM
I was just about to say its gonna take her a while to get match tight cos shes been out for so long.

brunof
Jul 28th, 2002, 05:50 PM
Just kidding on the last post.

Coming back after nine months and playing so well is amazing. It's so sad when I take the court after I long break, I feel terribly fat! Even if I haven't gained an once, its totally different playing a high level tennis match at a competitive level than lets say working out off court IMO. When playing I am always thinking out there, as is Lindsay probably, which is also very draining, both physically and mentally. Personally I was shocked when I opened the newspaper to see Lindsay Davenport on the front of the sports page. Not only was I shocked to see a women's tennis player on the front page, but also on how good Lindsay looks. Well done, strong tournament. Well done Linds! Stay healthy and fit, and win a few more Slams! :) You rock! :)

DEETHELICK
Jul 28th, 2002, 06:09 PM
Lindsay will be fine. Match play will improve her ability to go the distance. She'll be able to expend her energy in a more useful way over 3 sets.

It is amazing how quickly she has gotten back into her stride. But I firmly believe that the VERY top players seem to get back into the swing of things much quicker than your average player.

I see Lindsay making some huge ground at the US Open, and I think the SFs are a definite possibility.

Good luck Lindsay!

joaco
Jul 28th, 2002, 09:07 PM
SVSK
What are you talking about? Lindsay is doing really well. She's very fit, if so she wouldn't have succeded to the SF. She got unfocused, after being 4-2 up she stop being so focused.
Besides what Lindsay is lacking is not fitness but match practise and shot selection. You can't wait for every player to do perfect on their first tournament after nine months! It's just not coherent.

Volcana
Jul 28th, 2002, 09:44 PM
Isn't it possible that we're also looking at the difference between Jelena and Kim?

kay
Jul 29th, 2002, 03:26 AM
Lindsay is a champion and that's the difference between her recovery and Kourny's recovery, who basically picked up where she left off and so did Lindsay. As for saying Lindsay will challenge Venus and Serena, Lindsay will only challenge Venus because she has never been much of a challenge for Serena. Lindsay will bounce back to her champion status, just give her some time. In fact, I hope she and Venus rack up all the GS's next year, sorry Serena two(possibly three) is enough right now.


I guess the people will just have to get use to Venus and Serena in the finals. They practically begged them to start playing more, but now theyre boring......oh well.

cynicole
Jul 29th, 2002, 05:06 AM
Originally posted by Volcana
Isn't it possible that we're also looking at the difference between Jelena and Kim?

Kim certainly moves better than Jelena.

But the Lindsay I saw in the quarterfinals would've beaten the Kim I saw in the quarterfinals. Kim was making lots of unforced errors in her match against Jankovic until Jankovic got tired (and she got really, really tired).

I didn't see all of her matches but I did see her practices and Kim got noticeably better and better every day.

eshell
Jul 29th, 2002, 03:28 PM
Lindsay just needs more match play. I'm glad she's back!

BigTennisFan
Jul 29th, 2002, 07:27 PM
Lindsay is doing very well for so early after an injury recovery.

After all there are only two players on the WTA tour who can be out for a long time with injuries and come back and win tournaments right away.:angel:

Pureracket
Jul 29th, 2002, 07:37 PM
I've never played professional tennis, but I suspect that there is much more to playing a high quality match than being in good athletic shape. There's the preparation (stretching, timed practises, media frenzy, crowd reaction) that goes into it that a player who's been off of the tour could never prepare for. Until she gets accustomed to this routine again, she will probably be "rusty" and "winded". However, there is no doubt in mind that SHE WILL get accustomed to these rigors again.

bis2806
Aug 1st, 2002, 04:48 AM
SVSK, you're so wrong.... can't you see that Lindsay's been working extremely hard during the NINE months of injury and also at the same time trying to adjust herself back to where she was? She's obviously trying to regain her confidence back and in her first tournament here in stanford she reached the semis and i think that's a great effort put for a player who's been sideline with injury for almost a year to return back on court reaching this far.... personally speaking, she is trying hard to give a real challenge to the top players and i should say that this can be seen from her recent results at stanford and 2nd round Acura by beating the players in straight sets.... last but not least... the Williams sisters are indeed going to be given a real challenge by Lindsay when she gets 100% fit... beware... Lindsay is BACK !!!!

You go Lindsay!! you kick ass!! you RULE!!