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Fingon
Jul 28th, 2002, 12:46 AM
She better forgets it.

I was today in the qualifying for the Canadian Open, I saw some players practicing and there was a sort of exhibition/practice between Krajicek and El Aynouyi (sp?)

Well, at some point they started to hit the ball hard, and I mean hard, I've seen Serena on that very same court last year and her groundstrokes were pooof compared to that.

I also saw Marat Safin hitting with Kafelnikov and that's hitting hard, I don't think any woman would have a slightly remote chance to even put pretend to return those shots, and Kafelnikov had no problems, with would mean he would have a real easy time returning Serena's groundstrokes.

I saw Greg Rusedski serving and a player I don't know returning his serves very well, we are talking of a player who serves consistenly overy 135 mphs, and he was trying to serve hard.

This is not putting down Serena by any means, and of course I knew this before watching this guys, but I think that the people (and the media) that think she would have a chance in the ATP should get to see some ATP matches and have a reality check :p

Deira
Jul 28th, 2002, 12:49 AM
Just curious Fingon, how do you think Justine would fare? ;)

Andromeda
Jul 28th, 2002, 12:54 AM
Who ever said she had a chance? Are things being resuscitated from several lifetimes ago? :confused:

Fingon
Jul 28th, 2002, 12:56 AM
Justine would probably suffer a terrible injury if she could even put her racquet on the ball, it would probably slam her against the wall.

HAIL-VENUS
Jul 28th, 2002, 12:59 AM
Was this thread created to, like, enlighten us or something? I mean, this subject is as dead as a freaking doorknob already. Who really gives a shit whether Serena, WTA's world #1, would make a splash or become victim of a wipeout on the ATP tour? She's doing just fine where she is, don't-'cha-think?

Fingon
Jul 28th, 2002, 01:04 AM
Originally posted by HAIL-VENUS
Was this thread created to, like, enlighten us or something? I mean, this subject is as dead as a freaking doorknob already. Who really gives a shit whether Serena, WTA's world #1, would make a splash or become victim of a wipeout on the ATP tour? She's doing just fine where she is, don't-'cha-think?

I am sorry I didn't know we were writing a thesis for a PHD in hardware and every single thread needed to have a subliminal purpose.

First, for your small mind, many people have been asking how Serena would do in the ATP.

Second, Serena herself said she wanted to play in the ATP, maybe she was joking but it deserved and official response from the ATP tour.

Third, I start thread on whatever my ass is feeling, if you don't like it, tooooo bad, I have never read anything worth to read from you, so why don't you just do the same?

If I fucking want to diss you beloved goddess, I will without asking you and if you feel I should be banned just e-mail the administrators, you have my bless for that.

Who gives a shit about how Serena would behave at the ATP? I do, you don't, I couldn't care less, who give a shit about your feelings anytime somebody dares to mention Serena's sacred name? I don't certainly.

RYNJ
Jul 28th, 2002, 01:06 AM
WHo ever said Serena was gonna join the ATP. God damn can she just enjoy some freakin match.

HAIL-VENUS
Jul 28th, 2002, 01:06 AM
:wavey: Hi, Fingon, been a long time, eh.:p

Fingon
Jul 28th, 2002, 01:11 AM
Originally posted by Daniel_Forever
WHo ever said Serena was gonna join the ATP. God damn can she just enjoy some freakin match.

who?

hmmm, what was her name.... hmmmm

I got it Serena Williams said that :p

Weevee
Jul 28th, 2002, 01:13 AM
Fingon.
If you feel like an ass and talk like an ass maybe there is a good reason for that but I don't think anybody would want you banned.

Bella
Jul 28th, 2002, 01:15 AM
Aren't you who are attacking Fingon some of the people who bring up old news on Martina and Capriati on a regular basis? I envy you getting to watch all that, Fingon.

RYNJ
Jul 28th, 2002, 01:16 AM
BE realistic, do u really thinks she will? ast time I checked serena was not that stupid. You just want her to leave so she can stop dominating. Why in the hell does she wanna leave when she's doin a grip of crap on the WTA.

Cam'ron Giles
Jul 28th, 2002, 01:23 AM
Originally posted by Bella
Aren't you who are attacking Fingon some of the people who bring up old news on Martina and Capriati on a regular basis? I envy you getting to watch all that, Fingon.

And here comes the voice of fairness, one of the self apointed board police officers. Can you ever mind your business and stay out of some discussions? You are everywhere and it is never anything worth saying. Is there ever anything to do in Tulsa, you should find out and get out more...:rolleyes: and to be fair, I dont think Fig Newton said anything all that bad...:confused:

"Topaz"
Jul 28th, 2002, 01:24 AM
Fingon, you blew it, then you start cursing. What's the matter with you? Get hold of yourself, my man.

BTW, I'll step on York Univ ground (venue for Canadian Open men's) for some matches this week.

TSequoia01
Jul 28th, 2002, 01:27 AM
Dang folks are getting mighty desperate to find an answer to the Princess of Power when they are looking to the ATP. Serena is that awesome.....well I guess she is. Never have I witnessed fans constantly comparing lady players to men! Even got Johnny Mac challenging them. Well forget about it, Venus and Serena will stay in the WTA and dominate ! They will win the tierI's, slams, and tour championships. So just get used to it. :p

Crazy Canuck
Jul 28th, 2002, 01:29 AM
:cough:

BY far, the funniest thing about this thread, is seeing some of the very same people who always write threads about how the ATP is rubbish and the women serve as hard, run as fast, hit as hard etc etc - in here saying "who was talking about the atp :rolleyes:"

THANKyou, I needed the laugh as I'm bored out of my tree.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 28th, 2002, 01:30 AM
"Never have I witnessed fans constantly comparing lady players to men"

Perhaps cause lady players never asked to play on the ATP before?

Fingon
Jul 28th, 2002, 01:30 AM
Thanks freethinker, you are the voice of reason here :)

Actually what I wanted to emphasize is the huge difference in power between the men and the women and the reason why I picked Serena were
1) it has been a lot of talk on how Serena would do in the ATP
2) She is the hardest hitter in the women's tour.

And Daniel, I don't really know if you are being serious or not, if you are you need to stop living in a bubble.

I want Serena to play in the ATP so she stops dominating?
huh???

I would rather want her to become an astronaut because there are more chances.

maybe your life is built around Serena, mine isn't, I can live with Serena winning. I am not trying to get Serena to play in the ATP and I don't think I have the power to do that, duh!

some people are just... nevermind.

Hulet
Jul 28th, 2002, 01:30 AM
he he he... at this rate, this thread will be one of those other ones who are being constantly locked.

Look, most of you are being really hard on the thread creator; he just, probably, finished writing a thesis on "hardware", and suddenly this huge insight hit him - serena will get destroyed on the ATP tour. Now, that may not be a surprise for most of you, but I am sure it is for some. So, please stop being judgmental.

Yeah, I really need a life - I should stop writing garbage on MBs.

Bella
Jul 28th, 2002, 01:30 AM
Originally posted by Freethinker82
And here comes the voice of fairness, one of the self apointed board police officers. Can you ever mind your business and stay out of some discussions? You are everywhere and it is never anything worth saying. Is there ever anything to do in Tulsa, you should find out and get out more...:rolleyes: and to be fair, I dont think Fig Newton said anything all that bad...:confused:

:rolleyes: Let's see, you have how many posts since September? And I have how many?

Crazy Canuck
Jul 28th, 2002, 01:32 AM
Yeah, I really need a life - I should stop writing garbage on MBs.

eta psi - don't be so hard on yourself, there are at least 2 dozen people in GM who are far stupider than you could ever be.

;)

Fingon
Jul 28th, 2002, 01:33 AM
:confused:

*reading in complete disbelief*

So some people think that some poster are actually trying to get Serena to play the ATP :confused: :confused: :confused:

the level of stupidity in this board is reaching alarming levels :rolleyes:

Bella
Jul 28th, 2002, 01:35 AM
Oh, and gee, thanks Fingon.

BrianII
Jul 28th, 2002, 01:35 AM
Just a stupid thread by a stupid person ....don't know why you guys are even discussing this with it .....clinging to something said as a joke in '99 to write a thread about 3 years later how stupid is that.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 28th, 2002, 01:37 AM
the level of stupidity in this board is reaching alarming levels

And this surprises you? :o

Hulet
Jul 28th, 2002, 01:41 AM
Rebecca, thanks for the kind words :). You know sometimes when you respond to my posts, my heart totally flutters and I have a hard time breathing. Do you know why? B/c I am totally awed by the level of intellegence in your posts and, yet, at the same time, you are so humble and down to earth that you pay attention to the stupid drivel I type on this board. How could I deserve such a privilege? The most 'independently' (that is not even my word ;(, you see how stupid I am) intellegent poster in this message board paying attention to my incomprehesible posts is so overwhelming to me. But, anyway, thanks and I hope other posters are as kind as you are. ;)

angele87
Jul 28th, 2002, 01:42 AM
why is everything taken so seriously around here :confused:

Crazy Canuck
Jul 28th, 2002, 01:43 AM
eta psi - I haven't decided if I should bother to laugh at your clear misunderstanding of my post yet :rolleyes:

HAIL-VENUS
Jul 28th, 2002, 01:58 AM
jejejejeje! Now THAT'S sarcasm in the most purest form!!!! LMGDAO @ eta!

Crazy Canuck
Jul 28th, 2002, 02:00 AM
Seeing as you can't insult me for yourself Hail, you might as well jump in and support the few with at least half a brain who try, huh? :o

Fingon
Jul 28th, 2002, 02:14 AM
Originally posted by angele87
why is everything taken so seriously around here :confused:

when you find the answer to that please let me know :)

Deira
Jul 28th, 2002, 02:14 AM
"Justine would probably suffer a terrible injury if she could even put her racquet on the ball, it would probably slam her against the wall."

LOL, funny how well I can picture that ;)

angele87
Jul 28th, 2002, 02:22 AM
Originally posted by Fingon


when you find the answer to that please let me know :)

I don't think there's an answer :confused: That's why I hang out at atpworld... we all get along there :D

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 28th, 2002, 02:22 AM
Once again, another pointless and ridiculous thread. With idle speculation that amounts to nothing because 1) serena or any female tennis player would never play on the atp 2) they wouldn't want to.

I mean really, to go back to some joke she made way back in 1998? what is the point? She and venus even played a guy and lost, so what? no one expected them to win!

why not put laila ali in the ring with mike tyson and see how she does?:rolleyes:

men and womens tennis are different sports and I like it that way, if you dont maybe you should find another sport with a co ed factor to it.

Fingon
Jul 28th, 2002, 02:48 AM
Ok, let's try to reason here.

Everyone under 3 years old go to bed, no wait, nobody will be left here :rolleyes:

Nobody over 4 years old is "suggesting" that Serena should play in the ATP, nobody over 4 years old understood it that way, just ask an adult like freethinker.

Have you ever talked in a figurative sense? huh?, so, we can't talk about something that is not going to happen?

Is speculation/comparissons forbidden?

Has it never passed through your mind? how would a woman play against a man?, it has been in the mind of many, they even actually did that (BJK vs Bobby Riggs).

Have you ever seen a movie? read a book?, talk about something that doesn't exist?, have you ever talked about how would you live in Mars? not that it's actually gonna happen.

the hyppersensibility, immaturity and stupidity of some people is really amazing, someone can't make a point because it's immediately a hater.

Some people gave the word stupid a new meaning in this thead, suggesting that there is a big conspiracy to get Serena to play in the ATP, AND THEY ARE ACTUALLY SERIOUS!!!

Cyber, I really believed you were way more mature, sorry, I was wrong, here's your candy.

treufreund
Jul 28th, 2002, 03:42 AM
FINGON, I feel for you trying to reason with those eggheads. :rolleyes:

Thanks for the thread which I found interesting. :)

Amanda
Jul 28th, 2002, 05:09 AM
Serena just resigned from the WTA tour and will now be a part of the ATP tour. Congratulations, Serena! Serena has finally accomplished her #1 goal in life. You go girl!

Becool
Jul 28th, 2002, 05:47 AM
Such an old subject, why to bring this up again?

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 28th, 2002, 06:06 AM
wow your post was just chock full of maturity wasnt it? Sorry if I find what youre doing not speculation but simple rabble rousing. In the lines of oh lets stir up the hornets nest of williams fans by bashing serena. what fun! Lets dredge up old crap that is not even speculation any more since she really did play an active player and got creamed. Goodie!

IMO you didnt start this thread in some excerise in speculation or theory. Plain and simple.

IMO you started this thread to cause needless controversy and nothing else. Bravo because you have succeeded. Feel proud now?

To emphasize my point: what if I started a "martina hingis called momo half a man thread" or "Justine is such a mental headcase she can't even win a big tournament thread" or how about a "capriati and her fed cup fiasco is a shame to american tennis thread". see where I'm going with this brining up old issues that have been discussed at length? why not go peruse old threads if you were dying for this topic, because they are there if you go look.

please tell me what would be the point? Do you seriously believe anyone thinks this thread was written for anything but inciteful purposes? please. I for one am no that naive.

TheBoiledEgg
Jul 28th, 2002, 09:09 AM
I don't think any woman would win a match in a mens future tournament and i'm not kidding there, they'd struggle to even live with the boys U18 players.

Hitting partners can handle all the women players with ease.

irma
Jul 28th, 2002, 09:30 AM
men have the muscles and we women have the brains
how nice :p;)

TheBoiledEgg
Jul 28th, 2002, 09:36 AM
you wanna prove that irma ;)

jomar
Jul 28th, 2002, 01:29 PM
Irma versus TBE is a great idea.:rolleyes:

Fingon
Jul 28th, 2002, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by cybelledarkholmexx
wow your post was just chock full of maturity wasnt it? Sorry if I find what youre doing not speculation but simple rabble rousing. In the lines of oh lets stir up the hornets nest of williams fans by bashing serena. what fun! Lets dredge up old crap that is not even speculation any more since she really did play an active player and got creamed. Goodie!

IMO you didnt start this thread in some excerise in speculation or theory. Plain and simple.

IMO you started this thread to cause needless controversy and nothing else. Bravo because you have succeeded. Feel proud now?

To emphasize my point: what if I started a "martina hingis called momo half a man thread" or "Justine is such a mental headcase she can't even win a big tournament thread" or how about a "capriati and her fed cup fiasco is a shame to american tennis thread". see where I'm going with this brining up old issues that have been discussed at length? why not go peruse old threads if you were dying for this topic, because they are there if you go look.

please tell me what would be the point? Do you seriously believe anyone thinks this thread was written for anything but inciteful purposes? please. I for one am no that naive.

If you want to start thread, go ahead. You think you know why I started this thread? good for you, I am not gonna argue with you.

Naive? I don't know, oversensitive and immature, a lot.

I don't see where I am attacking Serena or saying anything negative about her. The point is that some fans are so oversensitive and stupid that can't stand anyone naming their favourite, it's a kind of religion and it's a sin to name then.

As I said, you were in my list of Williams fans that I considered mature and intelligent, I see now I was wrong, please, do me a favour, don't read what I write, don't answer, don't talk to me, just put me in your ignore list and go play with your toys.

Dawn Marie
Jul 28th, 2002, 06:08 PM
lmao at me, what if a thread were started .."If Martina Hingis is thinking of playing on the WTA tour".. then proceed with Fingon's intial first paragrapgh, it would still fit in. The girls are hitting harder and are so fast anymore. I mean hell, imho I would give Serena a better shot on the ATP tour then Hingis in the WTA;)

jay_k
Jul 28th, 2002, 06:14 PM
You mean Serena could be # 1 on the ATP tour just like Hingis was on the WTA tour ;)

THE NET
Jul 28th, 2002, 06:54 PM
She may win some games if she play with ATP guys. Guys can make unforced errors.

But I don't think she will win a set.

GO SERENA!!!

:bounce:

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 28th, 2002, 07:13 PM
I will reply and write to whatever thread I please. Why dont you take your own advice and put me on your ingnore list.

I just find it highly ironic that you are doing exactly what other posters where doing with justine a few months ago. Namely, bringing up crap that was long ago discusses as if it has suddenly become topical again. I would take the time to dredge up your old posts where you were "oversensitive" and child like in your defense of justine, but why bother? It's definitely not worth my time. However i will voice my opinion whenever I feel a poster is stirring up trouble just to be a trouble maker ie this thread.

your previous reply would be laughable if it wasn't so sad and pathetic.

have a good day.

cyb

TSequoia01
Jul 28th, 2002, 07:17 PM
Originally posted by Fingon

I don't see where I am attacking Serena or saying anything negative about her. The point is that some fans are so oversensitive and stupid that can't stand anyone naming their favourite, it's a kind of religion and it's a sin to name then.

As I said, you were in my list of Williams fans that I considered mature and intelligent, I see now I was wrong, please, do me a favour, don't read what I write, don't answer, don't talk to me, just put me in your ignore list and go play with your toys.

Fans are not oversensitive we just recognize when a hater who cannot find a player in the WTA to challenge the #1 player, especially Justine, goes outside the ladies tour looking. Your are free to start any stupid thread you wish but we are also free to challenge you on it. As for Williams' fans being on your list, that says alot about you to even believe anyone cares. :cool:

-Sonic-
Jul 28th, 2002, 07:28 PM
"I'll say what I want and I don't care what you say"
"Yeah? Well I don't care what you say, and I'll say what I want too"
"Yeah? Well I'm not gonna listen to such shit that you say, while I am saying what I want to say"
"I'm not even listening to what you're saying cos its so shit"
"But I am saying what I want to say, you don't have to listen to what I say, cos I'm not listening to what you say, cos what you say is shit"
"You don't have to listen to what I say either, but I'm gonna say it anyway. Now shut up cos I've got something to say"

Jay
Jul 28th, 2002, 07:53 PM
I can't see anything wrong with Fingon's opening thread. He's just relaying what he's seen with his own eyes and he's more than justified in relaying this because this men vs women thingy has been the subject of many heated debates.

Agreed this topic isn't anything new but you can say that about most of the topics on this board.

Fingon isn't out to bash any players, he's just telling it how it is.

Now I haven't always seen eye to eye with Fingon (and most of that was my fault because I would only half read his posts and get it arse about) but Fingon has always been objective and doesn't allow 'fandom' to cloud his judgement.

Althea
Jul 28th, 2002, 10:38 PM
Fingon, why did you create this thread or better yet what were you expecting?

JustineTime
Jul 28th, 2002, 10:47 PM
Hey, Fingon, can I get you totally off the subject here(since it's gone from bad to worse anyway:rolleyes: ) and ask you about that "King of the Noldor" thingy?

Are you a Tolkien fan? If so, you'll notice we have more than 1 thing in common.;)

Also, I liked what you said about little Justine getting splattered by the men; it makes me wonder how you're still open to attack from Williams fans. Generally being objective, esp. with respect to your fave, usually serves to disarm your would-be detractors; obviously not the case here;) . One has to wonder if they actually read your post, or just saw Serena's name in the title, knew you weren't a fan, and came out with guns blazing!:rolleyes: Hmmm...:D

Althea
Jul 28th, 2002, 11:08 PM
From one Serena Fan - read the thread, didn't bring any guns simply asked a question

Fingon's response about Justine was pretty funny though... had a good laugh

Cyber I understand where you are coming from...
Decided to simply ask Fingon where did he think this thread would lead (where he was coming from ) especially since I don't know Fingon to just create threads for nothing.

Cyber - you are a great poster to me (not that it matters who thinks you're what) but just wanted to take this opportunity to tell you anywayzzzzzzz :):)

Pureracket
Jul 28th, 2002, 11:23 PM
I thought this thread would have been locked by now.

Fingon
Jul 28th, 2002, 11:35 PM
Originally posted by JustineTime
Hey, Fingon, can I get you totally off the subject here(since it's gone from bad to worse anyway:rolleyes: ) and ask you about that "King of the Noldor" thingy?

Are you a Tolkien fan? If so, you'll notice we have more than 1 thing in common.;)

Also, I liked what you said about little Justine getting splattered by the men; it makes me wonder how you're still open to attack from Williams fans. Generally being objective, esp. with respect to your fave, usually serves to disarm your would-be detractors; obviously not the case here;) . One has to wonder if they actually read your post, or just saw Serena's name in the title, knew you weren't a fan, and came out with guns blazing!:rolleyes: Hmmm...:D

Yes, I am a big fan of Tolkien, have read all his books and everything written about him that I could get. If you have read the Silmarillion you know that Fingon was one of the Kings of the Noldor :)

It's exactly as you said, there wasn't anything criticizing, bashing or attacking Serena by any means, the reason why I said Serena and not other name is because Serena is IMO the most powerful player in the WTA tour and I just wanted to point out the huge difference in power between the men and the women. Although I had seen women live before, I hadn't seen men and although I knew about the power thing I kind of surprised me a little.

Fingon
Jul 28th, 2002, 11:40 PM
Originally posted by Althea
From one Serena Fan - read the thread, didn't bring any guns simply asked a question

Fingon's response about Justine was pretty funny though... had a good laugh

Cyber I understand where you are coming from...
Decided to simply ask Fingon where did he think this thread would lead (where he was coming from ) especially since I don't know Fingon to just create threads for nothing.

Cyber - you are a great poster to me (not that it matters who thinks you're what) but just wanted to take this opportunity to tell you anywayzzzzzzz :):)

Althea, believe it or not I didn't even think of getting on Serena, as I said I used her as an example because she is the most powerful player in the women's side and if there is one WTA player that could compete against the men that is Serena, however I don't think she would have a chance, that's not bashing Serena or putting her down, it's just a reality, the guys are stronger, taller, bigger than the girls.

You are right on one thing though, I should have known that with immature, hypersensitive fans, the sole name of Serena would incite them to fight, you, moon and others are different, and for example freethinker was very mature in this thread, but many Williams fans are just impossible to deal with, you can't even mention their name without them jumping on your throat, I even get some ridiculous accusations as I am trying to get someone from outside the WTA to beat Serena, who am I? God?, it's so stupid that I really can't answer that and I would expect a smarter response from a 5 years old child.

I guess some times the hatred and insecurity that some people have just completely clouds their minds, I should have know by now.

Fingon
Jul 28th, 2002, 11:44 PM
Jay, thank for your post, we have had differences of opinion but that's ok, I believe this board is to have different point of views and discuss them in a civil way, that has always been the case with you and you have showed a maturity that most posters here lack of.

Pureracket
Jul 28th, 2002, 11:44 PM
Serena says at the beginning of her career that she is going to be the best in the world along with her sister - anti-Williams fans don't believe her

Serena pulls out of a tournament with an injury - anti-Williams fans don't believe her.

Serena says that she is a natural blonde - anti-Williams fans don't believe her.

SERENA SAYS THAT SHE WANTS TO PLAY IN THE ATP- ANTI-WILLIAMS FANS BELIEVE HER!!!!!

LOL!!!!!

Jericho
Jul 28th, 2002, 11:54 PM
lol@clocker

Renee
Jul 29th, 2002, 12:33 AM
Lol, clocker. Serena was OBVIOUSLY joking when she said she wanted to play on the ATP Tour.:)

harloo
Jul 29th, 2002, 12:37 AM
lol@clocker. Pretty funny.

When I first read the initial post I thought the subject was a bit played out, but I didn't see anything wrong with it too much until Fingon started insulting people for no reason. Then the dynamics of this thread changed IMO, and true colors were revealed.

Calling posters 3/4 year olds, stupid, oversensitive, and using foul language only makes you look immature yourself Fingon.
While I don't believe Serena will beat a man on the ATP, I find it disturbing that you would insult other's for feeling your thread is baseless. Everyone has a right to their opinion, and just because it doesn't coincide with yours doesn't mean they lack knowledge.

Futhermore, this is a rather old topic that picked up some heat before. But have you actually seen any female player challenge active players on the tour? Nope. Men are stronger than women, and we all know that. What I'm getting tired of is the constant comparison between men's tennis and women's tennis. Every woman should play on the WTA, and every man on the ATP. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

nander
Jul 29th, 2002, 12:59 AM
Actually I thought that the thread was done for fun and probably related to the fact that Serena was spied at the LA Masters series tourney - Agassi vs Keurten (There is a whole thread about her hair as seen at this tourney!!). Even Venus said that that maybe Serena was looking at/for something special and that maybe she should have been here too (not verbatim).
Surely tennis fans are all agreed that any such idea can only be a fun one.

CoryAnnAvants#1
Jul 29th, 2002, 12:59 AM
Serena would be the version of Keiko Tameishi, plain and simple. She would get an occasional win here and there, but nothing more. Honestly, I would be surprised if Serena could qualify for a futures event. People on the board can call me a sexist if they want, but it's just my opinion. Serena's type of power has never been seen before on the WTA, while it's pretty standard on the men's side. They won't be intimidated by her serve or her groundies, plain and simple. I could see her beating somebody around #400 at her ABSOLUTE BEST, on those days when nothing can go wrong for her.

Dawn Marie
Jul 29th, 2002, 01:28 AM
LMAO@ Fingon for talking about people being supersensitive. I gotta laugh at this, especially when I think of some of our old conversations in chat.


Alot of us in here can be supersensitive, and you and I both know that you are not any different. leaving and laughing..:):)

Fingon
Jul 29th, 2002, 01:31 AM
Dawn, I might have been hypersensitive, we all have defects, even me :p

But at least I try to improve, and I realize that it's wrong, unlike so many other people.

Harloo, you might be right, but it's truly frustratring that you can't say anything about Serena without people jumping on your throat.

Dawn Marie
Jul 29th, 2002, 01:42 AM
Well I like to think that people in here like to improve too. And you ARE hypersensitive at times, as well I as can be too. "sticking tongue out" :)

I remember those many Hingis/Venus debates we would get into.

Fingon
Jul 29th, 2002, 02:10 AM
Dawn, I am hypersensitive some times, I recognize that and "try" to improve.

You are hypersensitive some times, you recognize it and try to improve.

I don't think many people know they have problems

Crazy Canuck
Jul 29th, 2002, 02:25 AM
Oh, yet another funny thing about this thread :o

The very people who are protesting it is crap, are the very people who have been ruining it with their idiocy :o

Thanks again, for the laughs ;)

HAIL-VENUS
Jul 29th, 2002, 02:50 AM
Uh-uh, what's really funny about this thread is the number of posters, who can't string 1 fucking sentence together that DOESN'T have 6 or 10 typos in it, questioning the intelligence of people who don't believe this thread was created with pure intentions. Now, that's some funny shit.

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 29th, 2002, 03:01 AM
I guess some times the hatred and insecurity that some people have just completely clouds their minds, I should have know by now.


Insecure? Hatred? What about sheer hyperbolic drivel? To think that anyone, wait let me be more specific and say moi, hates anyone or insecure about anything unrelated to my person ie my personal baggage is just the height of presumption.

Imo the moment you start casting asperions on posters instead of what they write is when you descend into the backward juvenile and immature diatribes you rally so hard against.

I have two words: DRAMA QUEEN.


Hmm I have an Idea for a thread, Maybe Pete Sampras should dress in drag and sneak on the WTA tour so he can finally when the French Open. Now that would be headline making!

PS
thanks for the kind words althea :kiss:

Crazy Canuck
Jul 29th, 2002, 03:01 AM
People who judge ones intelligence on the number of typos they make, are akin with the people who judge intelligence based purely on the grades that one gets in school.

Both are ignorant.

CoryAnnAvants#1
Jul 29th, 2002, 03:05 AM
LMAO Cybelle! Sampras couldn't even win the FO Womens singles! Gala Leon Garcia would probably take Pete to 3 sets before Serena calmly dispatched him 6-2 6-3;)

Fingon
Jul 29th, 2002, 03:10 AM
Originally posted by HAIL-VENUS
Uh-uh, what's really funny about this thread is the number of posters, who can't string 1 fucking sentence together that DOESN'T have 6 or 10 typos in it, questioning the intelligence of people who don't believe this thread was created with pure intentions. Now, that's some funny shit.

bueno hail venus, podemos hablar entonces en mi original lengua, que es español? que te parece?

Estoy seguro que si estas tan preocupado por los tipos, seguramente eres capaz de expresarte sin tipos en una lengua que no es originalmente la tuya.
:kiss:

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 29th, 2002, 03:11 AM
But Bradshaw the women would know it was pete and out of sympathy and the sheer hilarity of seeing him running around in a Nike tennis skirt with unshaven legs would give him easy games all the way to the final where he'll be creamed six o six o by Steffi making her great Comeback.

Poor Petey he'll never catch a break.

Fingon
Jul 29th, 2002, 03:12 AM
Originally posted by cybelledarkholmexx


Insecure? Hatred? What about sheer hyperbolic drivel? To think that anyone, wait let me be more specific and say moi, hates anyone or insecure about anything unrelated to my person ie my personal baggage is just the height of presumption.

Imo the moment you start casting asperions on posters instead of what they write is when you descend into the backward juvenile and immature diatribes you rally so hard against.

I have two words: DRAMA QUEEN.


Hmm I have an Idea for a thread, Maybe Pete Sampras should dress in drag and sneak on the WTA tour so he can finally when the French Open. Now that would be headline making!

PS
thanks for the kind words althea :kiss:

I guess you consider yourself too important if you think my comment was directed to you :rolleyes:

FYI, and I am sorry to hurt your feelings, but I was talking in general, not about anyone in particular and certainly not you.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 29th, 2002, 03:13 AM
*has nothing better to do * (at least I, unlike 90% of you, can admit it :o )

When I make catty remarks about people being idiotic, or stupid, I base the opinion on a number of things...

1 - Their ability to think for themselves and come up with some original thought that wasn't fed to them.

2 - Their ability to have independent thought, that isn't influenced by those who may see fault in their view. That is not to say they can't change their mind, it is merely to say that their flow of thought is not being controlled by another.

3 - Their ability to discuss different topics, and not always regurgitate the same material.

4 - Their ability to reason their way through different topics and situations without being ignorant.


I accept that some people will be prone to arguing when they are attacked by stupidity - some people just have a hot temper. However if they exhibit some of the above, I wouldn't insult someone's intelligence, simply for flaming. That rather shows a lack of patience. (which I have).

Those are just a few things that I base it on, though there are several other smaller factors.

So those who have nothing stronger than a "typo" to critisize someone for, are indeed very weak. It also shows a total lack of reasoning, which is one of the qualities that I hold in great esteem. Thus, when one who lacks such a flattering quality makes a remark I will more than likely just pass it off as stupidity.

:o

Anymore questions? :o

Crazy Canuck
Jul 29th, 2002, 03:15 AM
Fingon - I am fairly certain that Hail isn't equipped to be speaking outside of her native tongue like yourself ;)

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 29th, 2002, 03:16 AM
lol at Becca

I never understood the whole typo thing and its correlation to intelligence, I just thought it was my only being able to type with one finger at a time while drinking espresso and using my excercise bike.

HAIL-VENUS
Jul 29th, 2002, 03:17 AM
As are those who judge one's intelligence by the opinions they form. As are those who accuse people of possessing a "small brain" for insulting you. Hehehe. Now that's ignorant. Since most of the insults thrown your way in this thread have been pretty darn witty and sharp.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 29th, 2002, 03:19 AM
lol cybelle - I think that in my case people just dont' appreciate how I throw around the word stupid with ease, so they will go to any length to attempt to make me look stupid :o

However, bringing up my typos, or how I spelled a word wrong, doesn't really effect me that much - it just shows me that they are done having anything worthwhile to say ;)

I make typos because I type to fast, to tell you the truth.

I type ahead of my brain I guess ;)

HAIL-VENUS
Jul 29th, 2002, 03:22 AM
Fingon, this is supposed to prove what exactly?



If Serena if thinking of playing in the ATP

Enough said. Hehehehe. Try typing a correct sentence in English why don't 'cha.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 29th, 2002, 03:22 AM
Hail you would notice that the ONE poster in here who managed to insult me, I didn't insult back :o

I merely said that they misunderstood my post. Which they did - my post was commenting on the lack of intellect in GM these days, not on his own.

Never once did I accuse that poster of having a "small brain". I accuse you of having one, because I think you are an idiot. That poster, isn't.

Perhaps you should read before making yourself sound like even more of a tool? :o

Crazy Canuck
Jul 29th, 2002, 03:23 AM
Try typing a correct sentence in English why don't 'cha.

Oh boy, the irony.

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 29th, 2002, 03:25 AM
Um he explained in a previous post that english isn't his first language. spainish is.

Intento que aprende hablar otra lengua alguna vez.

HAIL-VENUS
Jul 29th, 2002, 03:26 AM
It's pretty darn obvious that you've been affected to some degree Becca, since you've responded with several lengthy posts. You're a walking talking contradiction.

Fingon
Jul 29th, 2002, 03:27 AM
hail, how many languages do you speak? just curious

Crazy Canuck
Jul 29th, 2002, 03:27 AM
cybelle, Hail clearly didn't understand that :o

*doesn't have anything better to do*

Seeing as you clearly have nothing to do, why not send me another of those great PM's about incest Hail?

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 29th, 2002, 03:29 AM
Okay, I have to admit that the irony of that post had me falling out of my chair laughing.

HAIL-VENUS
Jul 29th, 2002, 03:34 AM
Well, Cybell, from the flag that's waving beside my user name, Spainish is not my first language. That's why I don't try typing it when communicating with other posters on this board. One would think that since English is the dominant language spoken on this board, that he would learn to put sentences together well enough so that people won't have to guess what the heck he's referring to everytime he posts. Especially if he's gonna be insulting someone else's intelligence. What's your point exactly? I don't read every thread on this board. It's not like he starts every thread he posts with the phrase "Ok, English is not my native language, so if I insult someone's intelligence in here, but you can't really understand what I mean, don't throw it up in my face because you've been fairly warned". Shit, you sound like Martina Hingis throwing insults left and right, then suggesting that you have no idea what you've just said because English is not your native language. This stuff is funny as hell.

HAIL-VENUS
Jul 29th, 2002, 03:35 AM
Oh, Becca, it's there for you whenever you want it. Why don't you tell me some more of those lovely family reunion stories, huh?

Crazy Canuck
Jul 29th, 2002, 03:36 AM
:rolleyes:

In Canada we accept people of different cultures and appreciate that not everyone is a native speaker.

It is a shame that you don't have the same values, my xenophobic aquaintance Hail.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 29th, 2002, 03:38 AM
Family reunion stories? You are a sick pig.

Anyone interested in seeing for themselves what a sick twisted bastard Hail is, is welcome to PM me to ask for a copy of the PM she sent to me :o I would never post it on the board, but once we've moved to PM's all is fair :o

Of course I won't feel the need to make up stories, and quotes like Hail here will :o

HAIL-VENUS
Jul 29th, 2002, 03:48 AM
You must have enjoyed it since you kept the PM. Who's the sick pig now Becca? Oh, and I don't give a damn who you show it to. I still mean what I said, what about you? Too bad they can't see what you said to me first, since you had the presence of mind to delete it before your ass got suspended from the board. Too bad you can't seem to let it go either. Hell, I'd forgotten about that until your previous post.

"Oh, who wants to see what Hail wrote to me". Hehe, now, who's acting like a 5yr old.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 29th, 2002, 03:51 AM
I think that it is only fair that other posters have the right to know they are dealing with a sick, twisted individual.

No sane thinking human, types the things that you did.

I merely told you to get off your ass and stop waiting for your damn welfare check, and you started rambling about incest.

Charming.

Fingon
Jul 29th, 2002, 03:56 AM
Originally posted by HAIL-VENUS
Well, Cybell, from the flag that's waving beside my user name, Spainish is not my first language. That's why I don't try typing it when communicating with other posters on this board. One would think that since English is the dominant language spoken on this board, that he would learn to put sentences together well enough so that people won't have to guess what the heck he's referring to everytime he posts. Especially if he's gonna be insulting someone else's intelligence. What's your point exactly? I don't read every thread on this board. It's not like he starts every thread he posts with the phrase "Ok, English is not my native language, so if I insult someone's intelligence in here, but you can't really understand what I mean, don't throw it up in my face because you've been fairly warned". Shit, you sound like Martina Hingis throwing insults left and right, then suggesting that you have no idea what you've just said because English is not your native language. This stuff is funny as hell.

hail venus, this is a message board, it's not a doctoral thesis is it?

I actually write e-mails and memos every day at the office and I do try to write things properly, so far, nobody has complained.

I could make a very long list of posters making typos, even highly educated ones whose English is their first language.

I find it quite pathetic when people try to attack the typos instead of the content.

You were right on the point of me getting off other people and I said that and explained that some times I get frustrated because it's impossible to have a normal dialog here.

but you were also the first one to jump on my throat because I dared to mention Serena's sacred name. I did not say anything bad about Serena, nothing at all, you chose instead to attack a "typo".

For anyone with a middle-level intelligence, it's obvious that if I typed "if Serena if thinking", that it was a typo, something very common and very natural, I am not used to secretarial work, I don't type too much normally and I do it quite slowly, and again, this is a message board, not Harvard University, the purpose is to transmit an idea, if people understand it, that's enough.

There are many posters here who don't speak proper English, in your mind, aren't they allowed to have an opinion on anything because they don't express it in proper English?

Are you more concerned by the style, the form than the content?

You can't figure out what I mean every time I post, that suggests me two things.

1) why do you bother?

2) if you really couldn't understand what I said, well, I think your case is serious and it's beyond my competence.

Fingon
Jul 29th, 2002, 03:59 AM
I want to see what hail wrote

And if she thinks I am acting like a 5 years old, I will take it as a compliment

brickhousesupporter
Jul 29th, 2002, 04:04 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca
I think that it is only fair that other posters have the right to know they are dealing with a sick, twisted individual.

No sane thinking human, types the things that you did.

I merely told you to get off your ass and stop waiting for your damn welfare check, and you started rambling about incest.

Charming.

I am not defending HAIL VENUS but Becca is what you said any better?

Fingon
Jul 29th, 2002, 04:05 AM
hmmm, welfare check, being nasty in PM, what does it remind me?

Dawn Marie
Jul 29th, 2002, 07:25 AM
Oh my, things got way out of hand in here. Me thinks this thread should be locked.

jomar
Jul 29th, 2002, 07:35 AM
Locking Fingon & Dawn in each others arms!!!!:mad::p:D

Jay
Jul 29th, 2002, 07:40 AM
When I saw Jelena being toyed with by a guy who was a doubles player and who doesn't even have a ranking I came to the conclusion that Jelena would not get a ranking in the top 1000 on the ATP Tour.

I said this when I was part of the Dokic camp and no one attacked me and accused me of player bashing.

Therefore, going by that assessment, I don't think Serena would make top 500 on ATP.

Am I player bashing?

No

Just telling it how it is.

Some of you really have to examine within yourselves in regards to how much your fandom is affecting your judgement.

Grice
Jul 29th, 2002, 08:51 AM
all these talk reminds me of Nick Bolleretti's book in which he mentioned how Monica Seles was hitting with Jim Courier...and Jim got so upset cos Monica was hitting the ball so hard "Boom Boom" .. and he never wanted to hit with Monica again...

Sam L
Jul 29th, 2002, 09:07 AM
What this comes down to is sexuality. When Serena said in 99 that she wanted to play on the ATP tour (joke or not) I thought she might be a lesbian. I mean think about it what heterosexual woman would want to compete with men and beat them at their own game. It makes them extremely unattractive to other men.

Remember the battle of sexes. BJK was a lesbian and she wanted to be a man, so she wanted to beat the men. Whereas Margaret Court was a straight woman, and she didn't want to beat Bobby Riggs. I tell you what, even if Margaret could beat Bobby she wouldn't, it'll be embarassing for her as a straight woman to beat a man in sport.

Personally, I don't think any of the women on the WTA wants to play on the ATP let alone beat them at their own game. Except a few, maybe Amelie.

irma
Jul 29th, 2002, 09:13 AM
so true feminists are all lesbians? I thought we were over that in 2002! :confused:

moby
Jul 29th, 2002, 10:32 AM
well grice, i think maybe the girls' games mature faster (you see younger champions) and jim was still developing as player so before long he wouldnt have any more trouble with monica...