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Macadambumper
Jul 26th, 2002, 04:45 PM
it was almost predictable, as soon as the williams sisters dominated tennis
the williams haters would go out of control. there are the usual, meaningless
criticisms of their supposed technical "flaws" - with the way that they are
winning i think that more players would like such flaws. then there are the
constant claims about how "boring" they are to watch, yet they grab huge
ratings and audiences to see them play - including many of the same williams
haters who come on this newsgroup to declare how "boring" they are to watch.
then they declare that the popularity of the williams sisters is limited
strictly to the united states. sure it is...and let's not forget the hints
that the williams sisters only got to #1/#2 because hingis and davenport were
injured, even though the williams sisters routinely beat both of these
players. yet, the same people said nothing when capriati got to #1, even
though she only got there because hingis got injured, and venus didn't play.

and, of course, there are the usual accusations that the williams sisters are
"arrogant" based upon incidents that purportedly happened years ago - while
capriati can sow discord in the fed cup team only to have the whole thing
seemingly forgotten within a week.

doesn't it seem odd timing that there are suddenly charges of widespread
steroid usage in tennis which happen to be focused on *women's* tennis?
john wertheim, in his latest column, called this whole thing for what it
really is: comments from people who are desparate to discredit the
achievements of the williams sisters:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/jon_wertheim/news/2002/07/22/mailbag/

wertheim hinted, without saying directly, that the criticisms may be motivated
by racism, but the way that many, including people on this newsgroup, appear
to consistently search for reasons to criticise the williams sisters, makes
it hard *not* to suspect racism. many of the reasons offered are patently
ridiculous. the "explanation" that the criticisms have more to do with the
fans of the williams sisters than with the williams sisters themselves makes
no sense whatsoever.

i appreciate that people who win are always subject to detractors, but it
gets to the point where the nature of the criticism becomes so far fetched
that you begin to suspect that the criticisms are motivated by more than
just fact that the williams sisters are winning. has anyone *ever* seen
players being criticized for being too good? it's all just so unreal and,
i would say, fundamentally racist.

in the meantime, the williams haters will keep hating, and will keep hoping
that someone, some "savior", will come along and be able to defeat the
williams sisters. we've had henin offered for this role, completely over the
top predictions that hantuchova will be the tennis "messiah", and the current
hope is that somehow davenport will be able to get it done. ridiculous.

i give much credit to the williams sisters for putting up with this nonsense,
the repeated and unsubstantiated charges of "fixed" matches, with class and
dignity befitting the great tennis players that they truly are. i would say
that they are the most deserving champions that women's tennis has had in
many years.

Freefall
Jul 26th, 2002, 04:54 PM
Please don't pick on Daniela (Or anyone elses favs) because you're bitter. You're the 1st person I've ever seen call her a messiah.

Plus, all this whining will prolly only make the williams haters happy anyway.

-Sonic-
Jul 26th, 2002, 05:01 PM
Not that i've seen any of the technique bashing on the board lately, if ever, but commentators have been talking about flaws in venus's serve for years and years. I, knowing not a lot about service actions apart from how nice and smooth they look, cannot comment.

smygelfh
Jul 26th, 2002, 05:13 PM
Good work junior. By childishly calling everyone who doesn't worship Venus and Serena haters, you're really making the situation better. Why don't you check out the meaning of strong words before you use them?

There was steroid rumours about the sisters several years ago. Nothing new. There's still constantly bashing of Hingis for things she did 2-3 years ago. Nothing new. Saying people have forgot about Jennifer's behaviour only shows what you choose to listen to.

bigbud1
Jul 26th, 2002, 05:14 PM
Wortheim's comments about apparent racism will be helpful to all fairminded fans. I like his admission that the sisters are held to a higher standard than any others who have played the game of tennis.

Jericho
Jul 26th, 2002, 05:22 PM
if you guys think that your faves are the ones who get bashed the most, then you have no idea what your talking about because it only occurs when they lose or say something wrong...but when it comes to the williams they get bashed no matter what they do, when they win, when they lose, when they answer questions, and when they dont...even lindsay said so and i know you lindsay fans/williams haters were just dying when she said that...

Martian KC
Jul 26th, 2002, 05:25 PM
It happens to anyone that's dominating the game. The sanex messageboard was just roaming with Hingis haters.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 26th, 2002, 05:31 PM
Funny, no one pays more attention to the "haters" and the "detractors" then *some* of their so called fans themselves :o

Its funny, because I like Venus, yet feel no need to pay this much attention to people who *don't* like her.

Some people don't like them because they just don't. Some people are racist bigots. Some people aren't.

Haven't I heard this record before?


If an admin reads this, I've always wanted permission to write an open letter to morons - can I?

Crazy Canuck
Jul 26th, 2002, 05:33 PM
KC - you dont' understand do you :sad:

It is OKAY to hate people or European decent, because they have the "white skin advantage" :sad:

But if you make fun of anyone else, then you are a raging bigot :sad:

I don't make the rules, I just abide by then :o



;) ;) ;)

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 26th, 2002, 05:34 PM
You see, people are afraid of change. Change threatens their sense of continuity and thereby their comfort zone. No one likes to have their world view shattered into little pieces, so they go on the offensive. This is what the haters do, not only to venus and serena but to their forbearers as well.

Witness the treatment of Martina N. when she transformed herself into a tennis force to be reckoned with. Remember the attacks on steffi and monica when they burst onto the scene with booming baseline groundies. Can you forget the snide remarks and comments Martina H. received when she went on her tear of the tour in 97?

You see tennis like every other sport goes through an evolution from time to time. The aforementioned players took the game to new levels and now Venus and Serena are doing the same. Players of today will have to hit the gym regularly, the practice courts daily, hire a respectable coach and doggedly watch their waistlines if they want to compete. Whining like what Henin and Momo did after their wimbledon defeats serve nothing but to erode their own self belief. Instead of crying over someone who is better, one would think it would inspire you to get better and improve. Chanda said as much and so did Lindsay, and see how they have returned from injuries to try to claw their way back up the rankings?

Haters will be Haters, plain and simple. Anyone with common sense can distinguish between a criticism based on rumor, innuendo, lies, or jealousy and one that has its foundation based on justifiable reasons. When you are at the top, others will undeniably try to pull you down or attack you with slings and arrows and barbed comments.

Truly, it really is just laughable. You see if someone is working so hard to attack you it just shows how insecure they really are.

Anyway, the day will come when the next generation will rise to challenge Venus and Serena and surpass them, continuing the evolution of tennis. Right now there a little ten year old girl out there banging the ball and practicing her strokes but until she gets here I'll be happy to watch the Williams Sisters.

cyb

angele87
Jul 26th, 2002, 05:41 PM
:wavey: Becca! Well said :D

Deira
Jul 26th, 2002, 05:44 PM
Rebecca what is "white skin advantage"? Actually, it seems a disadvantage considering the skin cancer factor.

Ryan
Jul 26th, 2002, 05:47 PM
What makes them more deserving then all the other champions we've had? Just because they have to deal with "match fixing" accusations and people saying Venus has a bad service motion? Everyone has to put up with criticism, not just Venus and Serena. There are people who hate them because they're black,etc. There are also people who "hate on them" just because they don't like them. Generalizing is stupid, you have no clue as to why people dislike either sister. This steroid crap didn't appear out of nowhere so people could accuse Venus abd Serena of taking them. They found positive tests at the French Open, and that would have happened whether or not Venus was at #1. WHY is it SO hard just to ignore these people and be HAPPY that your faves are #1 and #2?

Jericho
Jul 26th, 2002, 05:47 PM
Originally posted by Deira
Rebecca what is "white skin advantage"? Actually, it seems a disadvantage considering the skin cancer factor.

i think your talking about sunburn because everyone has equal susceptibility to skin cancer...

angele87
Jul 26th, 2002, 05:47 PM
Deira, I think Becca was being sarcastic lol

Ryan
Jul 26th, 2002, 05:49 PM
Double post:o

Ryan
Jul 26th, 2002, 05:49 PM
Becca was being sarcastic Diera.

brunof
Jul 26th, 2002, 05:50 PM
Yeah, personally I would much rather see 2 contrasting styles in a match, (1999 UsOpen - Martina vs. Venus) than a Venus-Serena match, but that doesn't make me a hater. No, they aren't my favorites, but I respect them, for the games they play and for who they are. Shouldn't this always be the case for all tennis players and people alike?

Deira
Jul 26th, 2002, 05:53 PM
Oliver, that's not true. Whites are more prone to skin cancer than any other race. All people of color have a substance called Melanin which protects them from the rays of the sun. It also affords them a more youthful appearance as they age. I'm not saying that people of color don't get skin cancer, but compared to those who are considered white, it no where near as great.

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 26th, 2002, 05:59 PM
well said bruno

Crazy Canuck
Jul 26th, 2002, 06:04 PM
I think Deira is correct on the skin cancer bit.

If any of you would like to know what "white skin advantage" is, you will have to ask Joy, as I frankly have no idea

sartrista7
Jul 26th, 2002, 06:16 PM
As brunof said, respect should be the key word for all players on the tour, whether you're a fan or not. But why get so angry when someone doesn't show respect? Surely all it means is that they're not a true fan of the game. You don't have to dignify them with a response. As for getting angry when someone doesn't support your fave, or criticises them, or supports another player - just live with it, for god's sake.

As for hoping that other players can challenge the Williamses.. yes, I do. Not because I dislike the Williamses, but because I want to see a hugely competitive WTA; I don't like predictability, which is what we have right now. In a few years' time, I think we may just get one.

Ryan
Jul 26th, 2002, 06:28 PM
I agree with what Brunof and sartrosta said. I want people to challenge Venus and Serena so the tour will be competitive.


Diera is right about the skin cancer bit. Melanin, I think we all have it but in black people they have much more, it affects the skin tone and I think the more melanin you have, the less chances of getting skin cancer you have. Not sure though.

G-Ha
Jul 26th, 2002, 06:58 PM
Totally off topic, but newsflash, "white" people have a certain substance called melanin too, just less of it. So, yes they are more prone to developing skin cancer due to overexposure to the sun, but dermatologists advise all people (even the darkest of the dark) to wear sunscreen.

As for the topic at hand, I do think that Venus and Serena are often criticized unfairly, but they are also criticized fairly at times. There are some, however, that like to lump all criticisms of the sisters into the unfair category. By doing so, all meaningful dialogue and discussion is shut down if every critical observation is labeled "racist" and filed away under the "hater" category.

And some of you are showing just how new you are to the sport of tennis by assuming that accusations of drug and/or steroid use are a recent phenomenon and have only just popped up because the Williams sisters are on top. Likewise, if you think the sisters are the only top players ever to be hated or labeled boring. It may be hard to believe now, but there was a time when NO ONE liked Monica Seles. Steffi and her domination was repeatedly declared boring. And Martina Navratilova wasn't really appreciated until she was in her 30s.

Amanda
Jul 26th, 2002, 07:15 PM
it's really time to move on!

ktwtennis
Jul 26th, 2002, 07:22 PM
Well, they say that a first impression means everything when you meet a person for the first time. I guess this applies all of us "haters." We didn't like their attitude when they came onto the tour and other tendancies, and that has stuck with us and given us an image of what they are...You and they(Williams') will have to do something miraculous(not writing us a letter) to change that molded; no ETCHED stone, image in our mind!

Freefall
Jul 26th, 2002, 09:16 PM
I think the drug thing is stupid. If they have proof any players use them, then say so & deal with it. If not Shut Up.

BTW - That whole if you're "dark skinned" you won't get skin cancer at all or as fast, is totally bogus.

The only people with pretty much an across the board risk of skin cancer above most, are Red-haired fair-skin (like Irish) people. (Maybe not all of them are like that either.)

After that it doesn't really matter. With in each group, a persons natural ability to resist sun-damage can be completely different.

You can have a Blonde European, who resists sun-damage better then an African American & vise versa. Everyone should use sunscreen! With SPF 15, you can tolerate 15 times what you could before. Also, the more the O-zone depletes, the less natural defenses like melanin help as much anyway.

Jakeev
Jul 26th, 2002, 09:18 PM
Hmmmm another new kid-on-the-block trying to stir up trouble.

Typical.

Although I suspect this one is not actually new on this board......I have my ideas who this one is. Anyone else?

Jericho
Jul 26th, 2002, 09:19 PM
Originally posted by ktwtennis
Well, they say that a first impression means everything when you meet a person for the first time. I guess this applies all of us "haters." We didn't like their attitude when they came onto the tour and other tendancies, and that has stuck with us and given us an image of what they are...You and they(Williams') will have to do something miraculous(not writing us a letter) to change that molded; no ETCHED stone, image in our mind!

wow, ktwtennis, i'll be sure to try to change your mind cause "we" really owe you an apology (yeah right)...by holding a grudge on them for something they did a long time ago shows how little you have left to prove your point...i mean i could say when seles first came or when hingis first came...but i guess your the type that holds grudges...

ktwtennis
Jul 26th, 2002, 09:53 PM
I'm not holding a grudge(resenting them), but this is how I see them as people. That's how they are to me. Life goes on...

Crazy Canuck
Jul 26th, 2002, 09:56 PM
Jakeev - I always have ideas on who newbies are ;)

Cam'ron Giles
Jul 26th, 2002, 10:12 PM
You know what, I have spent a lot of time being mad as hell about some of the things that have been written on this board about the sisters and to be fair most other players. Vicious things, hatefull mean and ugly things. I have allowed myself to be dragged and or baited into some truely ugly flame wars that usually ends up having no meaning at all because at the end of the day people will not change their minds. I do however believe that some of the (shall I say) discussions :rolleyes: had to have some positive affect on some reader and posters of this board and if through words we can change one persons negative feelings towards Venus, Serena, Marti, Anna, Jen, Monica, Kim, Juju...Black people, white people, Arabs, Jews, Gays, Straigts, Americans, Russians...whatever, these types of discussions do have small merits. At this point, screw anyone who hates the Willies, me, black people and the entire Willies fan base. I am having a ball. I love tennis and my two favourite players are 1 and two in the world. LET THEM HATE. Dont ever bother with any 'OPEN LETTERS TO THE HATERS'...This is what us WILLIAMS FANS have been waiting for for a long time. WHOOOHOOO....Keep in mind if they aint talking about you, you probably aint much to talk about. And since we know that our girls are "on and poppin", let them talk...

THATS WHY I LOVE MY GIRL MOON, SHE NEEEVEERRRR ALLOWS HERSELF TO BE DRAGGED INTO THE MESS. LOVE YA MOON...:kiss:

GO VENUS AND SERENA, GO WOMENS TENNIS....

Pureracket
Jul 26th, 2002, 10:30 PM
Becca et. al.,
In case you have questions about "white skin advantage", one may turn to American slavery and the disease of hatred that it has beset on the world against people who do not have white skin (Jim Crow Laws, lynchings, lack of voting rights). Maybe that's the "white skin advantage".

JustineTime
Jul 26th, 2002, 10:43 PM
"Whining like what Henin and Momo did after their wimbledon defeats serve nothing but to erode their own self belief. "

Would you care to tell me how Justine supposedly "whined" after Venus trounced her at Wimby, Cybel? I read her post-match interview, and found her to be gracious in defeat. She said nothing derogatory about the sisters, and even acknowledged that V/S are "pulling away from the pack".

Can you back up that statement with a quote, please?

Fingon
Jul 26th, 2002, 11:05 PM
Originally posted by Macadambumper
it was almost predictable, as soon as the williams sisters dominated tennis
the williams haters would go out of control. there are the usual, meaningless
criticisms of their supposed technical "flaws" - with the way that they are
winning i think that more players would like such flaws.


They are not supposed, they are real, they have some other amazing abilities to compensate but that doesn't erase the flaws.

then there are the
constant claims about how "boring" they are to watch, yet they grab huge
ratings and audiences to see them play - including many of the same williams
haters who come on this newsgroup to declare how "boring" they are to watch.


First, IMO there are boring, if you think otherwise, good for you, anyone is entitled to have an opinion.

They bore me to death and I don't watch them, I didn't see the US Open final, theh French Open final or the Wimbledon final, and I don't watch any of their matches unless they play someone I like.

I couldn't care less what ratings are, I don't base my taste on what the masses do, that's a lack of personality.

And this isn't a newsgroup, this is a message board.

then they declare that the popularity of the williams sisters is limited
strictly to the united states. sure it is...and let's not forget the hints
that the williams sisters only got to #1/#2 because hingis and davenport were
injured, even though the williams sisters routinely beat both of these
players. yet, the same people said nothing when capriati got to #1, even
though she only got there because hingis got injured, and venus didn't play.


and your point being...


and, of course, there are the usual accusations that the williams sisters are
"arrogant" based upon incidents that purportedly happened years ago - while
capriati can sow discord in the fed cup team only to have the whole thing
seemingly forgotten within a week.


They are arrogant, based on incidents that happened a few weeks ago. What Capriati did or didn't do has nothing to do with this.


doesn't it seem odd timing that there are suddenly charges of widespread
steroid usage in tennis which happen to be focused on *women's* tennis?
john wertheim, in his latest column, called this whole thing for what it
really is: comments from people who are desparate to discredit the
achievements of the williams sisters:

I can't make an opinion on something I don't have the facts about, you should do the same.

wertheim hinted, without saying directly, that the criticisms may be motivated
by racism, but the way that many, including people on this newsgroup, appear to consistently search for reasons to criticise the williams sisters, makes
it hard *not* to suspect racism. many of the reasons offered are patently
ridiculous. the "explanation" that the criticisms have more to do with the
fans of the williams sisters than with the williams sisters themselves makes
no sense whatsoever.

Well, with fans like you I don't wonder they are hated because of them.


i appreciate that people who win are always subject to detractors, but it
gets to the point where the nature of the criticism becomes so far fetched
that you begin to suspect that the criticisms are motivated by more than
just fact that the williams sisters are winning. has anyone *ever* seen
players being criticized for being too good? it's all just so unreal and,
i would say, fundamentally racist.

You already said that didn't you?

in the meantime, the williams haters will keep hating, and will keep hoping
that someone, some "savior", will come along and be able to defeat the
williams sisters. we've had henin offered for this role, completely over the
top predictions that hantuchova will be the tennis "messiah", and the current
hope is that somehow davenport will be able to get it done. ridiculous.


If we want to hope, how does it affect you?


i give much credit to the williams sisters for putting up with this nonsense,
the repeated and unsubstantiated charges of "fixed" matches, with class and
dignity befitting the great tennis players that they truly are. i would say
that they are the most deserving champions that women's tennis has had in
many years.

I beg to differ with the last sentence, when they win 20+ grand slams and over 100 titles we can talk again.

Jericho
Jul 27th, 2002, 12:24 AM
"First, IMO there are boring, if you think otherwise, good for you, anyone is entitled to have an opinion.
They bore me to death and I don't watch them, I didn't see the US Open final, theh French Open final or the Wimbledon final, and I don't watch any of their matches unless they play someone I like."
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How do know that they're boring if you dont watch them???



"I can't make an opinion on something I don't have the facts about, you should do the same."
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Hello!!! You just contradicted what you said in the first quote about how you havent watched their matches and you made your opinion and you didnt have any proof...


"They are arrogant, based on incidents that happened a few weeks ago. What Capriati did or didn't do has nothing to do with this."
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That is your opinion and you did not offer any proof and like what you said, you shouldnt make an opinion cuz you have no facts.

Deira
Jul 27th, 2002, 01:22 AM
Freefall, your lack of knowledge on the subject of skin color as it relates to skin cancer is totally bogus.

"You can have a Blonde European, who resists sun-damage better then an African American & vise versa"

The above statement is true only if you have a Blonde European of color (yes there are some), or a Caucasian African American (yes there are some). But don't take my word for it, check it out.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 27th, 2002, 01:34 AM
Once again, I concur with what Deira said about skin cancer.. I rarely seem to agree with Deira, so I'd like to keep repeating that I do the one time it seems to happen ;)

Clocker - Ages ago a poster named Joy refered to someone being of "white skin advantage" and I thought that the term was the stupidest thing that I had ever heard.

I still feel that way, because it was used in a racist context.

Anyhow, thanks for the history lesson, which I already knew./

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 27th, 2002, 01:41 AM
Well, they say that a first impression means everything when you meet a person for the first time. I guess this applies all of us "haters." We didn't like their attitude when they came onto the tour and other tendancies, and that has stuck with us and given us an image of what they are...You and they(Williams') will have to do something miraculous(not writing us a letter) to change that molded; no ETCHED stone, image in our mind!



Wow, you must be some kind of human being to "hate on" someone who may have been arrogant when they were a fourteen to seventeen year old phenom. I guess with people like you there is no moving on, there is no personal growth and maturity. You must be a perfect human being and angel on earth.
Great, the rest of us are trying to do our best and learning from mistakes, but I guess youre above all that.

I wonder if every act you performed as a teenager is "etched in stone" in everyone's mind that you know six to eight years later.:rolleyes:

I think thats beyond pathetic and signifies a lack of maturity and intelligence.

Fingon
Jul 27th, 2002, 01:45 AM
Originally posted by oliver
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How do know that they're boring if you dont watch them???

Can you read? I didn't say I have never seen them, I say I only see them when they play a player I like, and I've seen her many times to realize I don't like them, stupid argument.


Hello!!! You just contradicted what you said in the first quote about how you havent watched their matches and you made your opinion and you didnt have any proof...


Hello, again, I've never said I haven't seen them duh!


That is your opinion and you did not offer any proof and like what you said, you shouldnt make an opinion cuz you have no facts.


ahem, what kind of proof do you want?, do you want a certificate?, I have seen them, and I have read their interviews.

plus, since when I have to offer proofs for what I think I don't have to justify my taste with anyone except to myself. I am
not trying to convince anyone, I am just saying what I think and if you want to call me a racist, go ahead, I don't give a shit for what you think.

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 27th, 2002, 01:48 AM
Hey Justine Time,

I totally made a mistake by including justine in that sentence. Juju has been nothing but gracious and complimentary to venus and all her opponents for as long as I can remember. She didn't display that defeatist attitude that momo did.

Macadambumper
Jul 27th, 2002, 02:04 AM
Heey Let close Da hype about SKIN CANCER right ?????
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Skin color is due primarily to the presence of a pigment called melanin . Both light and dark complexioned people have this pigment. However, two forms are produced--phenomelanin , which is red to yellow in color, and eumelanin , which is dark brown to black. People with light complexioned skin mostly produce phenomelanin, while those with dark colored skin mostly produce eumelanin. In addition, individuals differ in the number and size of melanin particles. In lighter skin, color is also affected by red cells in blood flowing close to the skin. To a lesser extent, the color is affected by the presence of fat under the skin and carotene , a reddish-orange substance, in the skin.
Nature has selected for people with darker skin tropical latitudes, especially in nonforested regions, where ultraviolet radiation from the sun is usually the most intense. Melanin, especially eumelanin, acts as a protective biological shield against
ultraviolet radiation. By doing this, it helps to prevent sunburn damage that could lead to melanoma-a cancer of the skin. This is a serious threat to life. In the United States, approximately 44,200 people get this disease every year and about 7,300 of them will eventually die from it. Those at highest risk are European Americans. They have a 10 times higher risk than African Americans.
Recent statistics published by the Skin Cancer Foundation show that one in 45 white males and one in 56 white females had a lifetime risk of developing melanoma. By contrast the lifetime risks in black males and females are one in 909 and one in 796 respectively. Despite this lower incidence, skin cancer, especially melanoma, is still a danger for the black population

Deira
Jul 27th, 2002, 02:16 AM
Thank you Macadambumper. You have served to further enlighten with your obvious research. I agree, let's close it now. :wavey:

Jericho
Jul 27th, 2002, 02:18 AM
"I am just saying what I think and if you want to call me a racist, go ahead, I don't give a shit for what you think."

if you dont care what we think than whats the point of posting, ...obviously when you post you are looking for a reply or do you just want to see yourself on the board?? You apparently care what we think if you respond, otherwise you would just ignore it...

Informative
Jul 27th, 2002, 11:11 AM
Thank you Macadambumper for your eloquent and intelligent attempt to critically address the blatant and painfully obvious evidence of racism among many of the various Williams haters on this board and elsewhere. Unfortunately of course most of these people are in a permanent state of denial about their stupidity, insecurity, blindness, and sheer irrationality with regard to Venus and Serena, and the actual intellectual, psychological, and emotional sources of their mindless hatred. At least you tried to deal with their dishonesty, fear, and ignorance in a sincere and informed way. Too bad that so many of these people are not willing or capable of responding to the real substance of your remarks. Meanwhile Venus and Serena continue to win with grace, style, dignity, humor, and genuine intelligence. It's their loss if the haters can't and/or won't see it. Still as I'm sure you noticed there are some other folks on this board who do appreciate and understand (and agree with) what you have to say. Keep posting. We need you around here. And don't let the haters get you down. They haven't with Venus and Serena, and they won't because thankfully the sisters are BIGGER than that. For this fact alone we can be grateful. LONG LIVE VENUS & SERENA!! May they continue to show the world what winning really means...

Deira
Jul 27th, 2002, 05:02 PM
Wow, Informative, what a dynamite post. :wavey:

JustineTime
Jul 27th, 2002, 07:32 PM
Thank you for your kind retraction, cybelledarkholmexx! ;)

servenrichie
Jul 29th, 2002, 09:31 AM
Macadambumper, you are welcome to the board:wavey:
Your post is very insightful.
Informative, your post rocks!:wavey: