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joaco
Jul 25th, 2002, 02:05 PM
I'm not really sure about it. BUt I think that if Meghann is on a very focused and precise day, and Venus hasn't got a lot of confidence as last year, she could make lots of UEs, who knows.
I personally hope it'll be a great match between the two of them, but to see new players coming up to the final would be good also.

What about you?

Joaco

Infiniti2001
Jul 25th, 2002, 02:08 PM
Can she?? why not? will she?? unlikely... Don't expect lightening to strike twice . Venus's housemate has been the only player to beat her back to back since '99 thus far :P

RAA
Jul 25th, 2002, 03:14 PM
doubtful.
meghann's not been having a very good year, and she needs to play at the top of her game to beat Venus. Her back is feeling better though (thats what she said after Fed Cup) but I still don't think it will be enough to beat Venus.

Freefall
Jul 25th, 2002, 03:32 PM
If Meghann's back is better, sure she could but Venus is still the fav to win right now.

o0O0o
Jul 25th, 2002, 03:35 PM
Meghann's got a big serve and forehand, can come to net, and is a good scrambler. The reason she beats Venus, Seles, Serena etc. is not because she has a better game really. She is one of many girls capable of beating the top players, but she just oozes confidence and fight when she plays. You get a sense that she just isn't afraid of the best players.

That being said, I expect Venus to recover from a set down to win 4-6 6-2 6-2. You heard it here first.

QUEENLINDSAY
Jul 25th, 2002, 03:59 PM
The edge is stil on Venus, but I wont be surprise if Meghan wins.

Infiniti2001
Jul 25th, 2002, 04:31 PM
Here's their head to head


Venus Williams (USA) vs. Meghann Shaughnessy (USA)
2000-08-28 U.S. Open Hardcourt R32 Venus Williams (USA) 7-6(3) 6-1
2001-01-15 Australian Open Hardcourt R64 Venus Williams (USA) 6-3 7-6(3)
2001-04-30 Hamburg Clay F Venus Williams (USA) 6-3 6-0
2001-07-23 Stanford Hardcourt QF Meghann Shaughnessy (USA) 2-6 7-5 7-6(4)
Venus Williams (USA) leads 3:1
Hard: Venus Williams (USA) leads 2:1
Clay: Venus Williams (USA) leads 1:0


Like I said , don't expect a match like that again :P
P.S. Venus's housemate retired after twisting her ankle in that match against Meghan, so I personally won't make much of that win.

Daniel
Jul 25th, 2002, 04:32 PM
yes she can but she won't :) :)

Sonja
Jul 25th, 2002, 04:39 PM
I believe she can do it but I don't think it will be at this tourney. As o0O0o said, she has a big serve and forehand but she's not consistent with her shots. At Fed Cup she tended to overhit and shots were spraying all over the place. While that was good enough to beat the Israeli doubles team, it won't be enough to beat Venus. Once Meghann can harness the power and cut down her ue's; she'll be a very formidable player!

chings
Jul 25th, 2002, 05:15 PM
Meghann has not beaten Serena before. An opponent retired
in the middle of a first set due to injury can't be considered a
victory by anyone under any circumstance. And her win against
Venus was a fluke.

Jericho
Jul 25th, 2002, 05:30 PM
venus lost last year right after her victory at wimbledon, so i expect a more focused and determined venus now since she lost wimby this year...i think from now till the US Open shes gonna be racking up titles to compensate for that loss at wimby...

Brαm
Jul 25th, 2002, 05:33 PM
Venus will win 6-3 6-2 or something.

kay
Jul 25th, 2002, 05:40 PM
Anything is possible, but as always I will be pulling for Venus to win. That being said, good luck to both players.

o0O0o
Jul 25th, 2002, 05:43 PM
Her win against Venus was no fluke, she dictated the rallies and took it to her. Oh, and she was up 5-4 and a break against Serena, clearly playing better, so Meghann clearly had the advantage when Serena retired, thus giving Meghann the win. What's fair is fair.

Oh, I forgot, the Williams sisters have never lost a match. Something miraculous always happens.:rolleyes:

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 25th, 2002, 06:07 PM
Wait a second, yes a win is a win, but if a player gets injured during the match and has to retire I hardly call that a "normal" win and the player who wins did not beat the loser. The loser had to retire no matter if meg was up 5-0 or 5-4, players can comeback and win. It has happened before and will happen again.

serena lost that match not because meg was the better player that day, she lost because she retired. Why is that hard to understand?

However her win over Venus was legitimate. Though I doubt a repeat performance will happen.

Jericho
Jul 25th, 2002, 06:18 PM
yeah...what cybelledarkholmexx said...

o0O0o
Jul 25th, 2002, 06:39 PM
she lost because she retired

Nice to know that we are in agreement...she lost.

DD
Jul 25th, 2002, 06:42 PM
o0O0o

she was leading before she got hurt. 2/1

from wta site

2002 IN DETAIL
* January - Leading 2-1, twisted ankle chasing down a drop shot in fourth game of SF against Meghann Shaughnessy at Sydney and was forced to retire at 4-5...Withdrew from the Australian Open due to Sydney injury

Infiniti2001
Jul 25th, 2002, 06:43 PM
Um RockModernStrokes, is this account of the Venus /Meghan match an observer's interpretation or exactly what you think it was??? Then again what should we expect from you???:rolleyes:

GATORSHORT
Jul 25th, 2002, 06:50 PM
Oooo what is your point,she beat Venus and Serena once . Where are the titles if she's any good? Can she beat Venus and Serena on a consist basis? I don't think so!!

Crazy Canuck
Jul 25th, 2002, 07:02 PM
Gatorshort - I was just wondering if you put a lot of thought into your "All Williams All the Time" slogan you put into every single post (even on the few occasions when the thread has nothing to do with anyone named Williams) ?

I imagine it must have taken at least a few hours to substitute "Anna" for "Williams", no?

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 25th, 2002, 07:14 PM
Um isnt the title of this thread "Can Meghann repeat last year's win over venus?" last time I checked Venus' last name was williams.

and to OOoooooooo

No one is in disagreement that meg won that match against serena. However she did not beat her to win it.

Din monica get beat when some manica ran on the court and attacked her? no, she lost the match but she was not beaten.

GATORSHORT
Jul 25th, 2002, 07:19 PM
Beeca can't figure out what your talking about ,that's just my motto . I'm lost on the Anna thing.

o0O0o
Jul 25th, 2002, 07:24 PM
Was Monica winning or losing? I don't know.

Whatever. I'm just the type of person that considers a win a win any way you slice it. A forfeit, a lucky win, whatever. I guess we just disagree.

And someone asked why Shaughnessy isn't winning etc. I don't know. I'm not really a fan of hers, nor her game. I just admire her fearlessness, which is why she has a better chance of beating Venus than someone who might even be more talented.

Ryan
Jul 25th, 2002, 07:45 PM
Um isnt the title of this thread "Can Meghann repeat last year's win over venus?" last time I checked Venus' last name was williams.



Rebecca didn't say she meant this thread. It is true though, he does post it in threads that don't have anything to do with Venus or Serena.

QUEENLINDSAY
Jul 25th, 2002, 07:47 PM
The Williams never lost any game. If they lose its because they are injured, tired, whatever!!!!!!!
I'm used to it!!!!!

Jericho
Jul 25th, 2002, 08:03 PM
So queenlindsay are you saying that lindsay lost to serena in munich??

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 25th, 2002, 08:16 PM
Queen, are you two years old? It doesnt matter who the player is that retires, the point is that you must beat a player by winning two out of three sets. If you dont do that then you didn't beat the player, though you may still win the match by either a default or a retirement. How is this difficult to understand?

In any case a win is a win and that is what ultimately counts.

Tennisace
Jul 25th, 2002, 08:37 PM
Meghann will not beat Venus cuz of two reasons, Meghann's out of form and well Venus hasn't won a title since Amelia and you know she wants a title especially since her sister isn't here.

The thing about Shaughnessy is like Elena Dementieva, they can't generate their own power. When they play someone like Venus and Serena, they're good at converting the power thrown at them and throwing it back. And well it won't happen this week cuz Meghann is in a big slump right now. This non generating power can be seen in how Meghann was defeated easily by Hingis. If you really have that much power, you should be able to blow Hingis off the court and well that didn't happen.

Frau Antje
Jul 25th, 2002, 08:46 PM
I'm afraid not

Crazy Canuck
Jul 25th, 2002, 09:46 PM
cybelledarkholmexx - I was asking an unrelated question, it had nothing to do with the thread. I thought that was obvious, though apparently not. But thanks anyhow, I had no idea that Venus had a last name.

Gatorshort - I'm just teasing, it is also a slogan on one of the banners here, but its for an Anna site :)

Anyhow to answer the thread, no I doubt it will happen. But stranger things have.

I rather want Venus to win though :)

anton
Jul 25th, 2002, 10:42 PM
no

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 25th, 2002, 10:49 PM
Lets all say it together, okay, here we go.... facetious.

anton
Jul 25th, 2002, 10:52 PM
queen lindsay, venus normally wins when she plays her best but one match were venus was playing well over the top of my head but she still lost was to steffi at wimbledon the last year steffi played. venus didnt play her best but steffi didnt either, but they both were playing with a lot of heart and somebody mail me this tape!!!

earthcrystal
Jul 26th, 2002, 01:12 AM
An objective opinion:

Their last two meetings, Meghann has gotten to a tiebreak in one set. That suggests that there is something in her game makes things less-than-routine for Venus. Outside of Hamburg, it hasn't been simple. That said, Meghann hasn't had great results recently. However, if that was due to a back problem that has improved, the match could be competitive, given the HTH's.

Guess we'll see. :p

anton
Jul 26th, 2002, 01:17 AM
I saw the Hamburg match and Venus overpowered MS on the clay but MS was in the match and it was not an easy as the score (6-3, 6-0?) looks. Also Megan likes paces I think and has played Venus a few times and plays consistent Hingis-style tennis so this is what Venus does not like I think. MS can loop the ball back and force Venus to hit too good a shot and then Venus might make too many errors and lose.

Williams Rulez
Jul 26th, 2002, 10:38 AM
Answer is... Venus won easy.