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JustinTimberlake
Jan 7th, 2008, 09:29 PM
I think YEC is much harder to win.
Girls need to win at least 4 matches against top 8 to get the YEC (theoritically, 3 matches).

What do you think?

Volcana
Jan 7th, 2008, 09:40 PM
You overlook motivation as a factor. Every player in a slam is looking for a place in history, or at the least, that might be the difference between playing the next year and not. The YEC is a glorified exo. No one is playing for history. No one is playing for their career. And too often, rankings aren't even t stake.

Now, if they gave out the top eight rankings for the next year based on the YEC, that would be help. Not enough, but it would make a difference. Slams are just way more important to the players. And to the fans. I can name the winners of the slams for the past ten year from memory, and so can a lot of other people. I don't even know who won the 2006 YEC.

auntie janie
Jan 7th, 2008, 09:43 PM
Justine did. ;)

Ceze
Jan 7th, 2008, 09:49 PM
You overlook motivation as a factor. Every player in a slam is looking for a place in history, or at the least, that might be the difference between playing the next year and not. The YEC is a glorified exo. No one is playing for history. No one is playing for their career. And too often, rankings aren't even t stake.

Now, if they gave out the top eight rankings for the next year based on the YEC, that would be help. Not enough, but it would make a difference. Slams are just way more important to the players. And to the fans. I can name the winners of the slams for the past ten year from memory, and so can a lot of other people. I don't even know who won the 2006 YEC.starts with H, ends with N, has reached the finals of all Grand Slams that year :lol:

AcesHigh
Jan 7th, 2008, 09:52 PM
In a GS, you have to win 7 matches.. you can't lose any and you have to do it against players who will die on the court to win.

Not YEC where some of the top players barely care and where some players tank matches when they're already in, etc. Plus, it's at a time where everyone is banged up and the players are rarely at their best.

Kart
Jan 7th, 2008, 09:52 PM
You overlook motivation as a factor.
I couldn't agree more.

I've lost count of the number of times I've seen top players produce below par performances at the YEC compared to stepping it up at the slams.

At the end of the season some of them just don't care as much and who can blame them :shrug:

kiwifan
Jan 7th, 2008, 09:58 PM
Grand Slam is harder.

1/2 the players at the YEC are only there because they have to be...

...people tank matches at YEC.

Sarek
Jan 7th, 2008, 10:14 PM
Grand Slam is harder.

1/2 the players at the YEC are only there because they have to be...

...people tank matches at YEC.

and because of the money. :)

thrust
Jan 7th, 2008, 10:15 PM
Grand Slam is harder.

1/2 the players at the YEC are only there because they have to be...

...people tank matches at YEC.

People only tank matches at the YEC because they don^t have to win to advance. However, in the YEC you play top ranked players from the very first match. At a Slam, especially in the WTA, the first 4 round matches are basically a joke as the top players are rarely challenged.

serenus_2k8
Jan 7th, 2008, 10:33 PM
Grand slam you have to keep your game at its best over a fortnight, and I think there is more pressure to perform at a slam than YEC.

-Sonic-
Jan 7th, 2008, 11:16 PM
Well there are 4 oppourtunities a year to win a GS ;)

I'd say that each has their argument..... trying to beat (up to!) 5 top 8 players in 6 days when you've been playing tennis and travelling round the world non stop for 11 months doesn't sound too easy. If you're a top player, you get 3-4 matches against what are much much weaker opponents, you get days off after every match....

But a slam is a slam. Dunno if u can top that really....

venus_rulez
Jan 7th, 2008, 11:18 PM
I bet some of these players that qualify for the YEC wish they didn't. I can imagine one of the Sisters or Davenport logging onto their computer hoping a competitor knocks them out of that last spot and then curses loudly when they realize they have to fly all the way to (insert random country)

fufuqifuqishahah
Jan 7th, 2008, 11:33 PM
People only tank matches at the YEC because they don^t have to win to advance. However, in the YEC you play top ranked players from the very first match. At a Slam, especially in the WTA, the first 4 round matches are basically a joke as the top players are rarely challenged.

Agnieszka?????????? Sesil????????? Eleni??????????? Ekaterina????????? Bartoli?????????? (Formerly) Jelena J.????????? etc. etc.

Dave B
Jan 7th, 2008, 11:46 PM
Players do care about the YEC. If not for the prize money alone, it does also carry some prestige. Top players give it their all at tier II tournies all the time, which are less prestige and certainly reward much less money than the YEC.

That being said, I think a GS is harder to win with a couple of caveats. First, more people will win GS’s since there are more of them. Second, I think it is much less likely that a random player wins because the format requires consistently beating top players, which you can somewhat avoid in a GS if you are lucky.

For example, you might have a random GS that is considerably easier to win than the YEC due to certain players getting injured/tanking early, lucky draws, strange conditions, etc.

Despite these caveats, top players build their schedules around preparing for GS’s and being in peak condition once they get to them. They are the most motivated and hungry, and therefore those tournaments are, on average, more difficult than the YEC.

faboozadoo15
Jan 7th, 2008, 11:53 PM
Slams are slams. There's no comparison.
YEC has a great amount of prestige and is hard earned but really doesn't compare to those 7 slam matches players go through.

Wiggly
Jan 8th, 2008, 12:12 AM
A Slam. You can't lose one match.

Players previously qualified for the Semis with a 1-2 record in YEC. :tape:

Barbarela
Jan 8th, 2008, 01:22 PM
In a GS players get more prestige but in YEC they have hard work after a big year of hard work. And you have the top eight players of the year. It's the VIP tournment of the year. I like both

AnnaK_4ever
Jan 8th, 2008, 01:31 PM
Motivation is definitely a factor. I've never heard player said he/she dreamt of winning YEC.

Paul.be
Jan 8th, 2008, 01:33 PM
Motivation is definitely a factor. I've never heard player said he/she dreamt of winning YEC.

Sure, but 750 points and $1.000.000 can be very motivating.