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Ackms421
Jan 7th, 2008, 04:16 AM
So, she didn't get the wildcard, and she is in the main draw at Hobart. These are the rather complicated facts running through my mind:

With respect to AO qualifying... She must be in Australia by Thursday and to be included in the AO qualifying draw must be eliminated in Hobart by 4:00 PM Wednesday (as per the ITF rules). Also, should she continue to win, but still desire to compete in Melbourne, she is *not* allowed to withdraw from Hobart (as the rules also state that a player may not withdraw from a tournament the same week as a Grand slam, right?).

So what can she do?

Literally (if she continues to win) her only option is to tank a match, right?? :help:

Someone please feel me in. I'm not quite sure what to make of all this. I think everyone sort of assumed she'd get the AO wildcard with her strong showing at the qualifying tournament...

Uranium
Jan 7th, 2008, 04:26 AM
hobart is in Australia, lose tom. to pennetta and rest for Thursday

Volcana
Jan 7th, 2008, 04:38 AM
Ask the Hobart people to be nice about scheduling and charter a Learjet.

So Disrespectful
Jan 7th, 2008, 04:44 AM
Kill the people who decided not to give her a wildcard. Or get Damir to bomb them :lol:

Uranium
Jan 7th, 2008, 04:49 AM
Kill the people who decided not to give her a wildcard. Or get Damir to bomb them :lol:

:lol:

Cp6uja
Jan 7th, 2008, 04:50 AM
OMG... WC-ards Monique Adamczak, Jessica Moore and Christina Wheeler in last 3 years have less TOP100 wins than Jelena Dokic in last 3 days :help::help::help:



Jelena have 3 options:

- to withdraw already now (before match against Penneta) and going to Melbourn to play qualy
- to forget AO 2008
- to blackmail Australian tennis federation that she will bring back Damir in Australia if they not give her WC :devil:

Dani12
Jan 7th, 2008, 04:55 AM
OMG... WC-ards Monique Adamczak, Jessica Moore and Christina Wheeler in last 3 years have less TOP100 wins than Jelena Dokic in last 3 days :help::help::help:



Jelena have 3 options:

- to withdraw already now (before match against Penneta) and going to Melbourn to play qualy
- to forget AO 2008
- to blackmail Australian tennis federation that she will bring back Damir in Australia if they not give her WC :devil:

Christina won the WC playoff, so they didn't pick her anyway. Admaczak beat Vesnina, a decent player herself and Jess Moore is currrently 5-5 at Hobart with Alona Bondarenko. I don't blame them for not picking Jelena to be honest.

Dawn Marie
Jan 7th, 2008, 04:57 AM
Jelena should of gotten a WC plain and simple.

DimaDinosaur
Jan 7th, 2008, 04:59 AM
lock

Uranium
Jan 7th, 2008, 04:59 AM
Christina won the WC playoff, so they didn't pick her anyway. Admaczak beat Vesnina, a decent player herself and Jess Moore is currrently 5-5 at Hobart with Alona Bondarenko. I don't blame them for not picking Jelena to be honest.

what did ferguson do to get WC, nothing, Jelena EARNED and DESERVES one.

Dawn Marie
Jan 7th, 2008, 05:06 AM
So can Jelena play in the Ozzie Open? I hope she does well in Hobart. Can she get in with an injury? Australia is stupid. She is their best player imho. She should play in Australia as it would be good for their tourney. All they got now is Llyeton. Kim is gone.

Uranium
Jan 7th, 2008, 05:10 AM
So can Jelena play in the Ozzie Open? I hope she does well in Hobart. Can she get in with an injury? Australia is stupid. She is their best player imho. She should play in Australia as it would be good for their tourney. All they got now is Llyeton. Kim is gone.

she'll probably play tomorrow, lose, rest, play qualies Thursday, but thats ij Hobart officials are smart

venus_rulez
Jan 7th, 2008, 05:12 AM
Maybe she should forget the Australian Open. I'm gonna be there and I'd LOVE to see her play, but at the same time, missing out on it, might make her hungrier and therefore she'll work out even harder to not miss out on Roland Garros or any other big tournaments.

Even though I thought she'd get a wildcard, I could imagine the pressure Tennis Australia was under. Giving her one would probably seem like favoritism for someone who hasn't really taken what they've done for her in the past with any thankfulness. But at least she has a shot to get some matches against some decent players in Hobart where as the Open is a BIG if.

Wannabeknowitall
Jan 7th, 2008, 05:14 AM
Well there's no guarantee the she'll beat Flavia anyway.
She should give it her all.
If she wins, then stay and play until she loses even if it means missing the Australian qualies.

If she loses, then play the Australian qualies.
The liklihood of her making it pass the 1st round after all these matches is slim though, especially for someone who hasn't played matches like this in a while.

I really think rushing for the Australian, is messing up her path to success.

So Disrespectful
Jan 7th, 2008, 05:17 AM
Christina won the WC playoff, so they didn't pick her anyway. Admaczak beat Vesnina, a decent player herself and Jess Moore is currrently 5-5 at Hobart with Alona Bondarenko. I don't blame them for not picking Jelena to be honest.

I completely agree that Monique deserves her wildcard. Having beaten Vesnina, who never loses to lowly opponenets such as Kloesel, Bascinsky, Castano, Castellvi, Uberoi, Laine, Fislova or Uvarova just proves that Monique is up to the standards of grand slam play.

Moore has already received her wildcard, regardless of how well she plays today. That can only mean that she is being picked on the grounds of her past results. Well, I guess she did score an upset victory over world number 842 Acquistapace in 2006, took two games from world number 2 Svetlana Kuznetsova, avenged her 2006 loss to Daniela Dominikovic at Rockhampton and beat Gajdosova, along with a slew of other top 400 opponents on the way to her first Australian 25k. Hell, didn't one of our posters here beat Dominikovic in a practice match? Why not give her the wildcard instead!

But what's that I hear you say? That's where our youth policy comes into play? Well you'd be correct. Still a young lady of 17, Moore has plenty of time to fullfil her potential and is already ranking in at 376. Especially impressive and wildcard worthy when you consider that Dokic had already defeated world number one Martina Hingis on her way to the Wimbledon quarterfinals and finished 1999 at world number 43, as a 16 year old.

So yep, I guess that justifies the selections perfectly.

GeeTee
Jan 7th, 2008, 05:21 AM
well said venus rulez

but jelena does seem to be doing the right thing by Australia and Tennis Australia this time, so a shame if she couldn't compete in qualifying. Everyone will be the loser.

Dawn Marie
Jan 7th, 2008, 05:24 AM
I don't like Tennis Australia. If you really think about it they done her wrong since she was a kid. Rigging her draw back in the day. They should treat her better.

Harvs
Jan 7th, 2008, 05:32 AM
I completely agree that Monique deserves her wildcard. Having beaten Vesnina, who never loses to lowly opponenets such as Kloesel, Bascinsky, Castano, Castellvi, Uberoi, Laine, Fislova or Uvarova just proves that Monique is up to the standards of grand slam play.

Moore has already received her wildcard, regardless of how well she plays today. That can only mean that she is being picked on the grounds of her past results. Well, I guess she did score an upset victory over world number 842 Acquistapace in 2006, took two games from world number 2 Svetlana Kuznetsova, avenged her 2006 loss to Daniela Dominikovic at Rockhampton and beat Gajdosova, along with a slew of other top 400 opponents on the way to her first Australian 25k. Hell, didn't one of our posters here beat Dominikovic in a practice match? Why not give her the wildcard instead!

But what's that I hear you say? That's where our youth policy comes into play? Well you'd be correct. Still a young lady of 17, Moore has plenty of time to fullfil her potential and is already ranking in at 376. Especially impressive and wildcard worthy when you consider that Dokic had already defeated world number one Martina Hingis on her way to the Wimbledon quarterfinals and finished 1999 at world number 43, as a 16 year old.

So yep, I guess that justifies the selections perfectly.

the thing is that tennis aus had to chose the WC's as soon as possible so that players know whether they have to be in melb for qualies or not. i think had jelena had these results a week before, they would have chose her because they would have had time to make the decision.

and in regards to jess, last year she improved her ranking from the 900's to the 300's, won a 25K and is really our brightest hope for womens tennis in the next few years. she certainly deserved one over jelena considering jelena is only starting back up.

hdfb
Jan 7th, 2008, 05:46 AM
I'm a bit bummed she can't withdraw from Hobart if she wins tomorrow. I just want her to make it to the qualies. I do believe her participating in the qualies is what she wants to do. And it'd mean I could see her as well!

Huntress555
Jan 7th, 2008, 05:49 AM
Its a toughie! Id really love to see Dokic in the qualies, but her form is going well at Hobart so far.

azza
Jan 7th, 2008, 05:52 AM
Hopefully they replace Ferguson or Moore with Dokic lol

Dani12
Jan 7th, 2008, 05:56 AM
what did ferguson do to get WC, nothing, Jelena EARNED and DESERVES one.

I never said anything about Soph. Personally I think Soph should be in qualifying and I would rather Jelena get a main draw WC over her.

Dokic SAID HERSELF she wanted to play qualifying, It will be good for her, because for all we know she could draw a top player and lose. Confidence she has been building up over the past few weeks so well gone, sorry but Jelena hadn't done enough at the time to earn a WC, most of them were chosen before Jelena even beat Muller.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big Dokic supporter, but I want to see her qualify and build on her confidence aswell as ranking points.

Uranium
Jan 7th, 2008, 05:57 AM
I never said anything about Soph. Personally I think Soph should be in qualifying and I would rather Jelena get a main draw WC over her.

Dokic SAID HERSELF she wanted to play qualifying, It will be good for her, because for all we know she could draw a top player and lose. Confidence she has been building up over the past few weeks so well gone, sorry but Jelena hadn't done enough at the time to earn a WC, most of them were chosen before Jelena even beat Muller.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big Dokic supporter, but I want to see her qualify and build on her confidence aswell as ranking points.

WRONG she wanted one
Dokic says she should have been offered a wild card for the Grand Slam.

"I think I did deserve one based on my prior results," she said.

Mana
Jan 7th, 2008, 05:58 AM
Keep winning Jelena, where ever you play :)

Harvs
Jan 7th, 2008, 06:01 AM
WRONG she wanted one
Dokic says she should have been offered a wild card for the Grand Slam.

"I think I did deserve one based on my prior results," she said.

that was after todays match though. after thw WC playoffs, she said she would prefer to play qualies.

Uranium
Jan 7th, 2008, 06:04 AM
...;12247880']that was after todays match though. after thw WC playoffs, she said she would prefer to play qualies.

yea, but now shes winning and has matchplay and confidence, her chances of going far in hobart are dashed by AO qualifying, now she'll be tired.

Ackms421
Jan 7th, 2008, 06:13 AM
Okay, so if she continues to win, her only option *is* to tank a match, right?

I just don't see her doing that. Granted, it's not likely that she'll have to make the choice anyway (as she's been gone for so long and has played 7 matches in the last couple weeks), but if she makes it to the later rounds of Hobart, she won't tank her match. She's an honest, noble girl, and it's been evident since she broke ties with her father. Remember when she *did* get the AO wildcard a couple years back and had a match point against Razzano (I think) and won the match--but--then she said the call was incorrect; they replayed the point, and she ended up losing. Next thing you know, she drops off the planet again until the start of 2008.

So, if her opponents come up lame, Jelena will faithfully play her way right out of the Aussie...

And, if she would tank, wouldn't it be too obvious? I mean, if she continues to be on fire and is winning and then suddenly loses the moment she *must* to make to to the Aussie, everyone would notice.

It's a crapshoot. Who ever would have thought playing so well would complicate her chances of competing at the Aussie! lol

OZTENNIS
Jan 7th, 2008, 06:18 AM
I completely agree that Monique deserves her wildcard. Having beaten Vesnina, who never loses to lowly opponenets such as Kloesel, Bascinsky, Castano, Castellvi, Uberoi, Laine, Fislova or Uvarova just proves that Monique is up to the standards of grand slam play.

Moore has already received her wildcard, regardless of how well she plays today. That can only mean that she is being picked on the grounds of her past results. Well, I guess she did score an upset victory over world number 842 Acquistapace in 2006, took two games from world number 2 Svetlana Kuznetsova, avenged her 2006 loss to Daniela Dominikovic at Rockhampton and beat Gajdosova, along with a slew of other top 400 opponents on the way to her first Australian 25k. Hell, didn't one of our posters here beat Dominikovic in a practice match? Why not give her the wildcard instead!

But what's that I hear you say? That's where our youth policy comes into play? Well you'd be correct. Still a young lady of 17, Moore has plenty of time to fullfil her potential and is already ranking in at 376. Especially impressive and wildcard worthy when you consider that Dokic had already defeated world number one Martina Hingis on her way to the Wimbledon quarterfinals and finished 1999 at world number 43, as a 16 year old.

So yep, I guess that justifies the selections perfectly.
Jessica Moore is an outstanding prospect for Australian tennis. She improved her WTA Ranking more than 600 places last year, extended and challenged players of the calibre of Lucie Safarova and Alona Bondarenko, beaten Jarmila Gajdosova and Madison Brengle and deserves the opportunity to back up for another Grand Slam main draw. Just because Jelena was top 30 at the same age doesn't mean Moore shouldn't have been given a wildcard...

If you are looking to drop a player from wildcard acceptances, it should have been either Sophie Ferguson or Jarmila Gajdosova, Gajdosova because she only just became an Aussie or Ferguson because she is not in her best form.
If you are that peeved by the decision email TA

faboozadoo15
Jan 7th, 2008, 06:42 AM
I think she should just keep doing her best at whatever event she's playing. She shouldn't tank a winnable match just to possibly get into the maindraw of the AO. With the confidewnce from the tournament here (if she keeps doing well), she'll be a terror in tokyo, indian wells, miami, etc.
She doesn't need to be in majors. She needs matches.

Ackms421
Jan 7th, 2008, 06:50 AM
I think she should just keep doing her best at whatever event she's playing. She shouldn't tank a winnable match just to possibly get into the maindraw of the AO. With the confidewnce from the tournament here (if she keeps doing well), she'll be a terror in tokyo, indian wells, miami, etc.
She doesn't need to be in majors. She needs matches.

Yeah, I agree. It could be a blessing in disguise, I guess. Not sure what she'd gain, really, by tanking a match. If she does make it to the AO, she'll have played *ALOT* of days in a row though. Phew. I hope she has something left when the dust settles and the rest of the year begins...

AUSBOY
Jan 7th, 2008, 06:52 AM
Jarmila Gajdosova must be laughing, she should never have gotten a WC, Im sure she never expected to get one and just sent her wildcard application in as a joke. She is talented and has the form, but she has been Australian for two weeks and has not represented Australia in any Fed Cup or international tournaments etc. so until she has, she shouldn't have been eligible, and for Tennis Australia o give her a free wildcard for nothing is a big belated Christmas present for her.

Uranium
Jan 7th, 2008, 06:54 AM
Jarmila Gajdosova must be laughing, she should never have gotten a WC, Im sure she never expected to get one and just sent her wildcard application in as a joke. She is talented and has the form, but she has been Australian for two weeks and has not represented Australia in any Fed Cup or international tournaments etc. so until she has, she shouldn't have been eligible, and for Tennis Australia o give her a free wildcard for nothing is a big belated Christmas present for her.

Well it was between her or Dokic, so they gave it to the wrong girl.
Do well this Week Dokic in Hobart and Qualies of AO:):bounce:

Langers
Jan 7th, 2008, 07:01 AM
Is there ANY way she can get a wildcard? I cannot believe the STUPITY of TA.

faboozadoo15
Jan 7th, 2008, 07:15 AM
(Dokic fan here). Her progression has been fast and quite impressive, but she was still bagelled by Muller today in a winning effort. Flavia (fresh off of beating Radwanska) is no easy match by any stretch.

PS, how amazing would a Mirza/Dokic match be?

Привет
Jan 7th, 2008, 07:51 AM
I personally believe TA made the wrong decision in awarding a WC to Gajdosova. She never would have been considered for a WC if she had not begun to represent Australia. It seems silly to me that 3 upper case letters after Jarmila's name were weighted higher than Jelena's past years of success and national representation.

That said, Jarmila is hardly the least worthy of the WC recipients. ;)

Jelena should continue to fight hard in Hobart. Flavia will be very tough, if she can somehow beat her then she should rightly stay in Hobart and play her QF and try to make the semifinal. If it means missing AO qualifying then so be it. It's disappointing but what would be better: playing in Hobart and gaining match practice against quality players, or, flying off to Melbourne and possibly struggling in the first or second round of qualies because of too much tennis and jet lag etc.

I'd love to see Jelena playing a Grand Slam again just as much as anyone else, but it might not work out for her to play AO 08. If not then she should concentrate hard on the rest of the year. The other 50 or so weeks of 2008 are more important than the 2 she could possibly spend in Melbourne. :)

Experimentee
Jan 7th, 2008, 07:55 AM
Jarmila has had better wins than Jelena, she beat Sugiyama at GC who is better than Muller. I'm sure Jarmila would have beaten Muller and not been bagelled by her either.

Uranium
Jan 7th, 2008, 07:56 AM
Jarmila has had better wins than Jelena, she beat Sugiyama at GC who is better than Muller. I'm sure Jarmila would have beaten Muller and not been bagelled by her either.

EVERYONE has beaten Ai lately and she lost to Craybas:o

Experimentee
Jan 7th, 2008, 08:02 AM
EVERYONE has beaten Ai lately and she lost to Craybas:o

Sugiyama > Muller. I think if Jelena is getting bagelled by Muller she would also lose to Craybas. Muller hasnt won a match for months.

Jelena has done nothing apart from this week and the wins werent exactly huge either. They were great wins considering how she played in 2007 but still shouldn't get a WC over players who have played consistently over the past year and won challengers.

GeeTee
Jan 7th, 2008, 08:13 AM
It seems silly to me that 3 upper case letters after Jarmila's name were weighted higher than Jelena's past years of success and national representation.

Jelena was a great Fed Cup and Olympic rep for us, but - heck - it's been over SEVEN YEARS since she represented this nation.

Still, I agree with a lot of what you said. No matter what she does in the AO, I hope she plays the Mildura 25K event straight afterwards. TA are bound to give her a wildcard into MD and she can get another bunch of points within a few hours drive of her Melbourne base.

Sticking around for the other couple of ITF 25ks in Melbourne in early March (where again wildcards are bound to be available to her) she can get her ranking to a position where MD entry for ITF events at least won't require wildcards.

And her form in Hobart can't hurt her chances of getting wildcard offers in WTA tournies

Привет
Jan 7th, 2008, 08:27 AM
True, Geetee, it has been a long time since Jelena represented Australia in Fed Cup, Olympics etc. But it's been even longer since Jarmila represented Australia in these competitions, as in never.

I'm not trying to undermine Jarmila's change of nationality, I'm sure she feels proud to be representing Australia and I'm happy for her. And fair enough she hasn't even had an oppurtunity to represent Australia in Fed Cup yet. But no one can honestly think that she would have been given the WC if she hadn't switched to representing Australia before the AO.

Ackms421
Jan 7th, 2008, 08:28 AM
Jarmila has had better wins than Jelena, she beat Sugiyama at GC who is better than Muller. I'm sure Jarmila would have beaten Muller and not been bagelled by her either.

You're right. She actually lost 8 straight games from the start of the second set to 0-2 in the third.

Personally, what I was most impressed with was that she was able to nut up after losing *8 STRAIGHT GAMES* and win the next 6 to close out the match. The amount of mental fortitude it must take to:

-Win the first set in your first MD match in years and then lose 8 straight games,
-while playing your 8th match in a matter of a couple weeks,
-and listening to everyone say how lucky you were to make it into the MD
-after being (essentially) off tour for over two years not being able to remember the last time you had a top 100 win
-and knowing in the back of your mind that it'd be best if you lost anyway because Tennis Australia had just given you the shaft and, thus, you're already late getting to Melboure...

It was great. I couldn't believe she came back from that. I say she's top 20 by the end of the season...

...and of course she should've gotten the wildcard.

GeeTee
Jan 7th, 2008, 08:57 AM
I'm not trying to undermine Jarmila's change of nationality, I'm sure she feels proud to be representing Australia and I'm happy for her. And fair enough she hasn't even had an oppurtunity to represent Australia in Fed Cup yet. But no one can honestly think that she would have been given the WC if she hadn't switched to representing Australia before the AO.

Gajdosova has played on the Aussie ITF circuit over the last few years though (unlike Jelena), has played doubles regularly with another Aussie (unlike Jelena), lives in Australia (unlike Dokic), is ranked in the world's top 150 (unlike Jelena) and fits the 'youth criteria' better than Jelena.

She has been trying to get Aussie citizenship for quite some time now (it's almost impossible for a tennis player to get citizenship as a new Australian as you need to reside in Oz for most of the year). This is the reason she's not able (even yet) to play for Oz in Fed Cup. Hopefully it will happen this Australia Day.

I think Dokic is a better player, but I won't say Jarka should hand the wildcard over.

Dani12
Jan 7th, 2008, 08:58 AM
The facts are, she should just be happy to be winning after the nightmare which has been the last few years and I doubt she is going to tank to play qualifying. TA made a decision and whats done is done, so lets just happy that she is back and playing and having some sucess. Lets not dwell that she didn't get a main draw wildcard.

GeeTee
Jan 7th, 2008, 09:16 AM
Well said Danimoo

LCS
Jan 7th, 2008, 09:23 AM
Pff As long as she keeps winning in Hoibart I doubt she'll be too annoyed for missing out on the Aussie Open. Plus, does she actually have a qualifying WC for the Open?

aussie_stars
Jan 7th, 2008, 09:58 AM
This could be the best thing for jelena...i think TA did the right thing by not just giving jelena the 'easy option' of a maindraw wildcard into the aus open. Jelena has been missing for a long time now and the last time she got a wildcard into the aus open, she again went missing straight after it.

I really like her and hope she makes her comeback successful this time and i think, that by being made to work for it, might just be the best thing for her. It would be a shame if she couldnt be in the Aus Open qualifying, but if she cant, that just means she is doing really well in Hobart, so that is not all bad! If she loses tomorrow, then she can head to Melbourne and play a few more matches (hopefully), whether or not she makes it to the main draw really isnt the most important thing...the most important thing is that she takes her comeback seriously...so far so good :) keep going jelena! :D

Just Do It
Jan 7th, 2008, 10:08 AM
Jarmila has had better wins than Jelena, she beat Sugiyama at GC who is better than Muller. I'm sure Jarmila would have beaten Muller and not been bagelled by her either.

Sorry, but Sugiyama sucks lately. Jelena would beat her as well ;)