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rhz
Jul 24th, 2002, 12:32 AM
She's is so inconsistant. Without Lindsay and Martina, she is the major threat to the Williams sisters right now. She is the only one i think who has a chance beating Serena or Venus!I know Kapros and Irvin are good players, but she should have not loss in 1st round!

What should she do to be consistant? she is #3 in my opinion. Too bad the ranking says she's #7 :(

Go Justine , be consistant!!

selesfan
Jul 24th, 2002, 12:34 AM
:rolleyes:

earthcrystal
Jul 24th, 2002, 12:36 AM
You're entitled to your opinion (re: #3). I don't agree, but that's not the point.

Justine is going to lose matches. Getting mad about it is just going to make you crazy.

rhz
Jul 24th, 2002, 12:38 AM
Originally posted by earthcrystal
Getting mad about it is just going to make you crazy.


I know but what can i say, i am pissed ! heheheheh

selesrules
Jul 24th, 2002, 12:44 AM
You keep saying that she's inconsistant and then you say that she's the real #3 and it's not faire that she's #7. Well, to be #3 you NEED TO BE CONSISTANT so that explains why she doesn't deserve a higher ranking. :rolleyes:

Daniel
Jul 24th, 2002, 12:44 AM
Poor Juju :sad: :sad:

ys
Jul 24th, 2002, 01:07 AM
She's is so inconsistant. Without Lindsay and Martina, she is the major threat to the Williams sisters right now. She is the only one i think who has a chance beating Serena or Venus!

You are kidding yourself. Henin is a great player, but not on US hardcourts. On US hardcourts she is pretty average at best, and surely nowhere close to Williams sisters. Her game just isn't good for the surface. On the other hand, it is Irvin's best surface.

Nan Cu
Jul 24th, 2002, 01:12 AM
To add to YS's sentiments...

...plus, Irvin is a real talent.

babsi
Jul 24th, 2002, 01:42 AM
If I was a big fan of Justine I would find her very frustrating to support, she has many ups and downs but that is part of the ride.

Saying that Marissa Irvin is very much under-ranked and should have had better results by now.

I see nothing wrong in losing to Irvin.

Venus Forever
Jul 24th, 2002, 01:46 AM
She'll bounce back!!

Volcana
Jul 24th, 2002, 02:01 AM
According the Assoc. Press, Justine had eight double faults, and converted only three of thirteen break points. Those are both signs of mental, rather than physical, problems. If you get 13 break points and have justine's foot speed, touch and groundstrokes, sheer luck would win you six or seven. And eight DFs is just .... fill in the adjective. I've had my fill negative adjectives for a couple minutes.

*roddicksinme*
Jul 24th, 2002, 03:06 AM
Irvin is good, she also beat Shaughnessy at Nasdaq-100 earlier this year

bello
Jul 24th, 2002, 04:46 AM
glcacic, Alot of people have beaten Shaughnessy this year, LOL

CC
Jul 24th, 2002, 05:07 AM
Without Lindsay and Martina, she is the major threat to the Williams sisters right now. She is the only one i think who has a chance beating Serena or Venus!

Some people don't respond well to pressure.

Dawn Marie
Jul 24th, 2002, 05:15 AM
I am not surprised, karma .. bad karma. seriously though she'll bounce back, but rhz I don't think at this time she can hang with Venus and Serena. They have figured her out already. Maybe last year or even at the beginning of this year, but imho Wimbeldon was telling, I just think V@S know how to defeat her now.

As far as Irvin, Justine should have won that match, easily.

disposablehero
Jul 24th, 2002, 06:03 AM
Originally posted by rhz
She's is so inconsistant. Without Lindsay and Martina, she is the major threat to the Williams sisters right now. She is the only one i think who has a chance beating Serena or Venus!I know Kapros and Irvin are good players, but she should have not loss in 1st round!

What should she do to be consistant? she is #3 in my opinion. Too bad the ranking says she's #7 :(

Go Justine , be consistant!!

WHO in the top 10 does Justine have a winning head to head against? Dokic, maybe? How about in the past 12 months? Is it the same answer?

If she's #3 in your reality, congratulations to you.

cynicole
Jul 24th, 2002, 06:47 AM
OMG - This thread is such trash!

Read my (and somebody else's) report on the match in the Stanford forum and then you'll find out what happened.

Our opinions on Justine's play slightly differ, but essentially Marissa played fantastic - serving big, powering precise shots, owning the net and the crowd was all behind her. And Henin injured herself.

And, IMO, Henin still has much to learn...and she's one of my favorite players.

rhz
Jul 24th, 2002, 06:54 AM
i don't know this thread could make people's temper gone up! sorry guys! but each person is entitled to his/her own opinion. justine is one of my favorite. i'm just saying it is too bad that she is not consistant enough to be on top where she belongs! cynicole, i read your report and you did a good job thanks! marissa is having a blast !

Williams Rulez
Jul 24th, 2002, 09:33 AM
rhz... Justine is too inconsistant to be in the top 3. Ditto what ys said about Justine on hardcourts.

The Crow
Jul 24th, 2002, 09:40 AM
So sumarizing all comments in this thread: Justine is highly inconsistant, and has a losing streak to everyone in the top 10. Err how does she even manage to stay in the top 10 then???

Williams Rulez
Jul 24th, 2002, 09:47 AM
No no no.... I meant that Justine is not that good on hardcourts... but she is very good on clay and grass. So she is 'inconsistant' in a way, at least in terms of results.

Josh
Jul 24th, 2002, 09:48 AM
Justine might have broken a bone or torn a ligament in her hand. If that's the case her preparation for the Open is in danger. :(

Still Marissa played a good match, I read she was 5-0 up in the first.

Hardcourts isn't Justine's favourite surface and she hasn't had great results on it. But I do agree that she's certainly Top 3 on clay and grass and top 10 on RA. Too bad there are so many tornaments on hardcourts. ;)

vutt
Jul 24th, 2002, 10:19 AM
Originally posted by disposablehero


WHO in the top 10 does Justine have a winning head to head against? Dokic, maybe? How about in the past 12 months? Is it the same answer?



Not against Jelena:
2002-04-08 Amelia Island Clay SF Justine Henin (BEL) 6-2 4-1 ret
2002-04-29 Hamburg Clay QF Jelena Dokic (YUG) 7-6(3) 7-6(3)
Tied 1:1

per4ever
Jul 24th, 2002, 10:29 AM
it's always the same thing...whenever a topplayer loses...she's inconsistent, or it's not her surface..whatever. Venus also lost in first rounds before...

and in this case Irvin played great, and Justine got injured in the third set..so nothing Justine could do. Face reality!!!!!!!

KaseyL
Jul 24th, 2002, 12:14 PM
rhz, if you're mad because Justine lost yesterday, well, you're going to be mad many times in the years to come ... :rolleyes:
No player can win all matches, even these "easy ones on paper", even when you're a top ten player.

And I really don't see Justine as THE one and only who could challenge Venus or Serena btw.

Justine has still a lot to learn, but she is rightfully a top ten player. To become number 3 as you think she should be, there is more needed, though. That might come in the future, Justine is a very talented player. I think it will not be merely her talent that will bring her to the top 3, but rather how she can or can't deal with what it takes to be a top player, in combination with her great talent.

Just my opinion, I am even not a fan of Justine at all.

TSequoia01
Jul 24th, 2002, 01:13 PM
Justine to me is going through the same expectation pressures that Serena went through. Her talent is undeniable but she has to get a grip mentally. Don't know what happened with Marissa but Justine lost to a very talented player with power. Sometimes these things are light switch like. One match can turn everything around, so don't get too despondent. Justine has a lot of time left. :cool:

-Sonic-
Jul 24th, 2002, 03:40 PM
I thought she had a winning record against Capriati?

-Sonic-
Jul 24th, 2002, 03:44 PM
2001-05-07 Berlin Clay SF Jennifer Capriati (USA) 6-2 4-6 2-1 ret
2001-06-25 Wimbledon Grass SF Justine Henin (BEL) 2-6 6-4 6-2
2002-05-06 Berlin Clay SF Justine Henin (BEL) 5-7 6-2 6-1

so 2-1, could easily be 3-0.

And the others are tied or losing records.

Go Justine :D Inconsistent maybe, but the wins against higher ranked players do come. If she's ranked 6-8, she's not expected to beat the 1-5 every time they play. Its great that she does get the win, even if its coupled with a loss or two.

Fedcup
Jul 24th, 2002, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by disposablehero


WHO in the top 10 does Justine have a winning head to head against? Dokic, maybe? How about in the past 12 months? Is it the same answer?

If she's #3 in your reality, congratulations to you.



Justine already beat Dokic,Clijsters,Capriati,Seles and S. Williams this year. Not bad at all.

And which other player (non williams, because they are on a league of their own) can say that she already played 5 finals against a williams sister this year? Not bad at all.

minboy
Jul 24th, 2002, 05:39 PM
as someone already said, justine felt down on her hand at 1-1 in the third. she broke a ligament and she's likeky to miss the us open.
so please, try to find out what happened before making an opinion.

theheninfan
Jul 24th, 2002, 06:56 PM
I read somewhere that Justine slipped and stepped on her finger. :sad: That is what caused the injury. Get better soon Justine!

Bella
Jul 24th, 2002, 07:02 PM
I got mad at her once, too, rhz. She's tough to follow. This was a great draw, though, and I expected upsets. This one doesn't worry me.

eshell
Jul 24th, 2002, 07:06 PM
Hey, it's only tennis! Let's hope that Justine gets well soon.

Sean
Jul 24th, 2002, 07:08 PM
Justine Henin is inconsistant but shes still learning and like someone said Venus, Martina e.t.c have all lost in 1st rounds before.

Get Well Soon Juju :kiss:

When she gets it together she'll be a very tough player to beat.

Volcana
Jul 24th, 2002, 07:12 PM
According to the AP, Justibe slipped or fell at 1-1 inthe third. She didn't win another game, and the trainer was called a couple times after that in the third. However, Marrisa won that first set against a healthy Justine.

Marrissa did play better some of the time. She might have won the match anyway. Juystine WAS legitemately injured. At the beginning of the third set.

cynicole
Jul 25th, 2002, 03:06 AM
I'll say it again.

Irvin was playing great and even though Justine hurt herself the result was no way clear cut at the time. Both were playing some great tennis. Justine had to up her level to "compete" with Marissa.

Marissa was very deserving of winning this match.

Fingon
Jul 25th, 2002, 04:11 AM
Justine doesn't have a winning record over many top 10 players, but still she has beaten all of them except for Lindsay and Martina and she hasn't played either this year.

There are other top 10 players who haven't beaten Serena or Venus for example.

Kim is

1-1 against Venus
0-4 against Serena
1-5 against Lindsay
0-3 against Monica
3-2 against Dokic
4-2 against Justine
1-4 against Martina
1-1 against Mauresmo
0-3 against Capriati

Justine is
1-6 against Venus
1-3 against Serena
2-1 against Capriati
1-4 against Monica
1-1 against Dokic
2-4 against Kim
0-4 against Lindsay
0-1 against Mauresmo
0-2 against Martina.

In summary, Kim has winning record against 2, is tied with 2 and has losing record against 5.
Justine has winning record against 1, tied against 1 ans losing record against 7 of them.

Justine hasn't beaten Martina and Lindsay, 2 out of the 9 other top 10.
Kim hasn't beaten Serena, Monica and Capriati, that's 3 of them.

Kim has been # 3 and I didn't hear complains that she didn't belong there.

Dawn Marie
Jul 25th, 2002, 06:03 AM
I think because Justine has more variety especially that one hand backhand, and we expect more form her. Also since Kim has the winning record over Justine maybe more people feel she is the better player.

I still think she will come around in about a year or two, she also needs to drop her coach.

cynicole
Jul 25th, 2002, 06:07 AM
After having seen it live, Justine's topspin backhand is very, very, very good. Her slice needs work though, her volleys need work too. Her forehand looks better live as well (or maybe she really had it working later on in the Irvin match) The way she hits the ball is amazing...but part of the allure has to do that she's soooo tiny.

Even though the crowd was cheering for Irvin, I heard lots of oohs and aahs when Justine hits those groundies. It was quite stunning in the 2nd.

She's still streaky and a tactical idiot at times though...aside from all the nervousness. And she doesn't seem to learn from her mistakes all that quickly.

Williams Rulez
Jul 25th, 2002, 08:51 AM
Originally posted by per4ever
it's always the same thing...whenever a topplayer loses...she's inconsistent, or it's not her surface..whatever. Venus also lost in first rounds before...

and in this case Irvin played great, and Justine got injured in the third set..so nothing Justine could do. Face reality!!!!!!! lol, but this time it is really not her surface...

Justine's record last year was:

Hard 31-10
Clay 18-4
Grass 10-1

This year:

Hard 15-7
Clay 16-4
Grass 7-2

So really, hardcourts is her weakest surface, not including indoors of course.