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Jakeev
Jul 22nd, 2002, 11:07 PM
Alright I want to know who put what in the water of SOME (please take note I say some) of Monica Seles' fans lately?

I used to think SOME(again take note) of the WIlliam's fans had bad attitudes but now all of a sudden I am seeing it in Monica's fans

Why say things like Monica was "robbed" out of her seeding at Stanford or rehash old news that really has no reflection on her game today.

So what gives with SOME of you lately?

Monica_Rules
Jul 22nd, 2002, 11:10 PM
I'm an old fan have been on the board for ages and i have seen a few more 'aggressive' Monica fans recently i think they just make there point the other Monica fans like me just cheer in the threads and defend her when neccessary.

Cam'ron Giles
Jul 22nd, 2002, 11:27 PM
Someone posted that Monica is looking fit and another poster had the nerve to say she looks the same and EarthCrystal got her panties in a bunch. I like Monica and want to see her do well but you cant say ANYTHING the least bit negative about her...:rolleyes:

Monica_Rules
Jul 22nd, 2002, 11:29 PM
Yeah but it was R.Dis who dissies monica at all oppertuinites thats why!

Kart
Jul 22nd, 2002, 11:39 PM
Well I never said that Monica was 'robbed' but I guess I objected to the seeding at Stanford. Still that was on a principle that Lindsay should have been seeded #1 not #2 but it's no big deal now that the tournament has started. I'm over it :) for now ;). Besides I like Lindsay so it's not too hard to deal with.

As for the rehashing of old news, if you mean that thread where people are going on about Steffi's career results being inflated by Monica's absence then I agree with you. That story is tired and makes me :mad:.

Incidentally, on Saturday, one of my flatmates descaled the kettle but didn't tell until after I'd used it so that's probably what (if anything) has been put in my water :kiss:.

Jericho
Jul 23rd, 2002, 12:01 AM
tell me about it...someone asked what monicas schedule was after the open...and i answered and they bit my head off and i was trying to be nice...

Dawn Marie
Jul 23rd, 2002, 12:07 AM
Jakeev this is nothing new. All fans get their "panties in a bunch" at times. Not all Williams fans at times can have bad attitudes and Lindsay fans are no exception.

angele87
Jul 23rd, 2002, 12:15 AM
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this... ever since the 300 threads ( Warning: slight exageration ) about Monica should not retire when she got beaten at Wimby I've noticed that some fans are becoming kind of aggressive! I also kind of hate the fact that they always bring up her stabbing whenever somebody says something bad about her. Or when something bad comes up, like the seeding stuff at Stanford. Somebody said "monica has gone through so much in her life and she doesn't deserve this.":rolleyes: I have nothing against Monica and it's tragic what happened to her but the tour shouldn't treat her different because of what happened!

Venus Forever
Jul 23rd, 2002, 12:16 AM
I have an idea, Maybe some tennis fans should not diss players. Dissing of some players, I notice, brings up hostility in their fans. Why can't we just all get a long and respect the players for their tennis skills and not diss them because we don't like them.

selesfan
Jul 23rd, 2002, 12:45 AM
I'm a big Monica fan but I have been disappointed by the whining done lately by a few Monica fans. The comments about Lindsay in some of the threads are uncalled for.

selesrules
Jul 23rd, 2002, 12:49 AM
Please everyone, RELAX.

First of all, the reason why Monica fans started those "Monica should not retire thread" after the Wimbledon loss is BECAUSE many of you started "Monica SHOULD retire threads" or "Is it time for Monica to retire" threads. So it was a reply.

Second of all, it IS unfair to put Lindsay at no.2 because first of all if indeed she has the right to her protected ranking, then they should have seeded her at no.1 (the ranking that she had before), however they did it subjectvly at the expense of Monica. And also there's the fact that when Monica, Mary and others cameback from long injuries, they had to work hard without any special seedings (ex: Pierce wasn't seeded at all in her comeback. Monica was seeded behind Halard after her half year break (I think it was between end of 1999 and the first part of 2000). So we have the right to say that it's not fair that they choose to put Lindsay ahead of Monica but decide not to put her before Venus which they should in case they are following the "protected ranking" system.

As for the stabbing, whenever someone throws Steffi's 22 slams in our face, we Monica fans have the RIGHT to say that her records are inflated because of the stabbing that had that purpose. The stabbing is part of tennis history and we would all be IDIOTS to ignore it. We would even be criminals to ignore it because we would be saying to Parche "you're wish has come true".

Jericho
Jul 23rd, 2002, 12:49 AM
Originally posted by ScHeMeE
I have an idea, Maybe some tennis fans should not diss players. Dissing of some players, I notice, brings up hostility in their fans. Why can't we just all get a long and respect the players for their tennis skills and not diss them because we don't like them.

we all want that but...it would be impossible because in tennis there is no tie or sharing, its all about someone winning and the other losing...

selesadmirer
Jul 23rd, 2002, 01:07 AM
i have an idea....no one bashes unless there is somebody asking for it.....if nobody has anything good to say zip it up..fans stick behind there players.... we all no this world isn' t perfect......but changes can be made.

angele87
Jul 23rd, 2002, 01:20 AM
Originally posted by selesrules
As for the stabbing, whenever someone throws Steffi's 22 slams in our face, we Monica fans have the RIGHT to say that her records are inflated because of the stabbing that had that purpose. The stabbing is part of tennis history and we would all be IDIOTS to ignore it. We would even be criminals to ignore it because we would be saying to Parche "you're wish has come true".

You are right, when talking number of career wins/slams Monica's stabbing and therefore absense from the tour is a topic that is relevant to the conversation HOWEVER Monica being the bumber 3 seed in Stanford has NOTHING read: NOTHING to do with her being stabbed so why does somebody bother to bring it up :confused:

So it was a reply.

Reply IN THE THREAD instead of starting 10 other threads about why Monica should not retire. I know I've used this example before but it's the only one I can think of so here goes lol: a while back there was a is kim clijsters fat thread and i (along with many other kimmie fans) angrily responded in that thread however you won't find any kim clijsters is not fat threads because frankly what would be the point of that :confused:

Bright Red
Jul 23rd, 2002, 01:24 AM
I am pretty sure that the real culprits are imposters. They aren't really Seles fans, but rather banned poster fans of other players. Haven't you noticed that the really nasty ones attack other fan groups for no apparent reason, which is quite unlike the Seles fans I remember from other boards who never initiated attacks like that, in general.

ktwtennis
Jul 23rd, 2002, 01:28 AM
I admit I've been a little on edge about defending my favorite, Monica. But I think that as individuals we have the right to deal with a situation as we think is fit...

selesrules
Jul 23rd, 2002, 01:34 AM
Could you please show the 10 threads about Monica not retiring? Because there was only maybe 2 or 3, definitely not more then the Monica SHOULD retire threads.

As for the stabbing, I personally didn't say that it has something do with Stanford and I doubt that anyone did. I just said that we Monica fans should be used to injustice by now and I listed about a dozen unfair things that has happened to Monica (which happens to include the stabbing). You know what? Let them protect Venus even though Davenport's protecting ranking should be the no.1 seed, and let them decide that Monica is not worthy of being protected like Venus. I DON'T CARE AT THIS POINT, as a Monica fan I'm used to much worst and I can simply say... bah... next!

angele87
Jul 23rd, 2002, 01:46 AM
Ok so maybe there were only about 5 total threads about Monica's retirement during retirement but still, :eek: why 5 threads about the exact same thing :confused: I don't see why one isn't sufficent :confused:

I will give you that you're not the one who brought up the stabbing but:

Originally posted by selesadmirer
i agree with you selesrules......monica has gone through so much in her life and she doesn't deserve this.....i hope the organizers realize what a dumb mistake they made.......hopefully seles doesn't come back to this nasty tournament.

That pissed me off because that poster made it sound like if it was somebody who hadn't gone through so much (aka being stabbed) it would be ok to be unfair to them about the ranking. And if that's not what was meant by that comment I don't really see the point of bringing it up!

Dawn Marie
Jul 23rd, 2002, 01:50 AM
Jakeev

I just think all kinds of fans, not just Monica nor Williams can get supersensitive at times. You've done it, I've done it. Alot of us do it when we feel something is said wrong about our favorite. I get irked by these kinds of topics because for as long as we all post in here we all know this sort of thing is nothing new.

Jakeev
Jul 23rd, 2002, 02:09 AM
Uh dawn marie you get irked by these kinds of topics? This coming from the woman who just got her thread closed about what topic?

Lol still love ya though
:kiss:

selesrules
Jul 23rd, 2002, 02:15 AM
angele87, when you are a hardcore Monica fan and you follow her career closely, you get fed up with things like this. Maybe if it happened to Martinez or to Hingis, it wouldn't be a big deal because they haven't gone through as much injustice as Monica did. At one point, it just gets too much. It's just hard being a Monica fan, we saw her almost getting killed, her records & place in history being destroyed, Parche getting free, grunto-meter(?), the tour moving on like nothing happened, Monica struggling mentally and being a shadow of herself, the players voting against protecting Monica's co-no.1 (thank God for Sabatini & Navratilova), we saw her have so many set backs due to injuries every year, we saw her father/coach struggle and die from cancer, moving the chase to Germany like she didn't exist, there's just too much stuff, so it IS annoying to see things like what happened to Stanford. Maybe for them it's just business and they don't care about these things, but her fans do and we want the best for her. So do not get annoyed, if you disagree just let us vent and then a few hours later everything would return to normal.

Jakeev
Jul 23rd, 2002, 02:24 AM
Problem is selesrule, that is such a small thing to be upset about . I can guarantee Monica could care less and she knows why she is seeded third.

The injury protection rule is in affect for ALL the players not just Lindsay and Monica, who by the way used it herself when she first came back.

Doesn't matter what the circumstance was, Lindsay deserves to be ranked a top seed and I don't feel she should be looked down upon because of it.

selesrules
Jul 23rd, 2002, 02:30 AM
Look, it's more about justice then about how big of a deal it is. I personally don't care about seedings, however I do care when Lindsay's protecting ranking is ahead both Venus & Monica, yet they decide that Venus should be ranked ahead of Lindsay and not Monica. They manipulated the rules and Monica was in a way disrespected. It's no big deal and yes her draw is much tougher now, but like I said it's about things being fair and equal because personally I don't care for seedings. Also Mary Pierce got no seedings or help, that's unfair too and I've stated this several times. It's just not only about Monica, it's about justice in general.

Jakeev
Jul 23rd, 2002, 02:39 AM
Sorry but I don't buy that selesrules. And for whatever reason Mary was not protected because of how she was ranked when she left the tour.

There is no justice to be had here sorry. The women know all about the injury protection rule especially Monica. If the players, have a problem with it, then they need to do something about it.

mishar
Jul 23rd, 2002, 02:40 AM
I don't think the seedings is a big deal. But it's not just the injury rankings like this is how its always done. Monica got a special exemption to be co-ranked #1 FOR ALL TOURNAMENTS, which you can argue about whether that was fair or right or whatever. As far as I understand, Lindsay got a special seeding FOR THIS TOURNAMENT ALONE. Which is absolutely fine, within the rights of the tournament, but it's not the usual treatment.
If in fact the WTA has given Lindsay a special seeding exemption, as they did to Monica, my question is: what is the rule? Will she be seeded #1 as she was before her injury? (Meaning at the USOpen she'd be seeded 1/2?) Or is it #3 (after Venus and Serena but before Capriati) or #4 (always seeding her before Monica, but after the top 3)

I think this seems like a pretty arbitrary rule, and certainly worth discussing. Monica was #4 when she was injured in September 1999 and when she played Scottsdale in 2000 she was unseeded. Likewise, she was #4 when she was injured in March 2001 and when she returned in July she was barely clinging on to the top 10. She got no special consideration.
Now maybe Lindsay deserves it more than Monica, but don't pretend that it's just business as normal.

selesrules
Jul 23rd, 2002, 02:46 AM
I don't understand what the co-no.1 ranking caused by the stabbing which was a unique thing has to do with normal injury protected rankings. And my problem is exactly with your last paragraph, things aren't consistant. I bet if it was Lindsay with those exact same events then they would have probably given her a seeding. But hey, Monica doesn't complain and I guess they know that it won't be a big deal. They probably wouldn't do it to Venus because everyone will start complaining and throw around words like "racism" towards the tournament and the wta tour decision.

But like I said, good for Venus and good for Lindsay, I just think that Monica fans had the right to complain and you should respect that right, but now let's drop the subject and enjoy the tournament.

mishar
Jul 23rd, 2002, 03:17 AM
Jakeev you pretend that it's just business as normal and therefore even to discuss it is some kind of outrageous act of "attitude" But it seems to me a situation that's entirely unique.

I'm sure Monica would say, it doesn't matter where she's seeded, if she wants to win the tournament, she has to beat everyone. And that's definitely true. But the same argument could be made for Lindsay to be seeded 6th.

earthcrystal
Jul 23rd, 2002, 03:31 AM
Jakeev, I'm finding it a tad difficult to understand what kind of effect you think a thread like this will have?

As for the comment about me made by NONthinker, (whose panties, incidentally, are perpetually in a bunch when it comes to his faves), clearly he didn't take time to examine the thread thoroughly. I apologized for the initial over-reaction and the rest of my attitude in that thread was directed at R.DIS -- who constantly slings shit about every player not named Jennifer...Monica being his favorite target.

But I digress.

No offense Jakeev, but basically saying people are making a mountain out of a molehill about the seeding issue and then posting a thread about them making a mountain out of molehill seems akin to setting up the microscope in which to view the molehill. :p

Jakeev
Jul 23rd, 2002, 03:44 AM
Sorry earthcrystal, baby, but showing concern about player bashing is one thing, complaining about how a player is seeded and then calling it an injustice is another.

I digress, you did not examine what I read either.....

:kiss:

but i still love ya baby......

Dawn Marie
Jul 23rd, 2002, 03:52 AM
Jakeev please have an open mind. My topic was on point, don't blame me for a biased board.


Nothing in this world is wrong with writing that I want Lindsay and Hingis to get their natural asses beat when they come back. I want Venus and Serena to spank them both to prove to the world how silly their quotes were. Also the post was worded fine, but it's wings were clipped before it had a chance to fly. I say let things run free then when something is amiss then clip it. Now this is silly, because QueenLindsay has written so many nasty things and I've never seen you post a topic like this about Lindsay fans?

Your not dumb, we all know that if something pops up we are supersensitive, not all but many of us are. I have seen Seles, Capriati, Williams, Hingis, Dokic,Lindsay,Mauresmo,Pierce,Kournikova, Majoli fans you name it, act the same way .. supersensitive.

And you look silly by IMPLYING that ONLY Williams fans have attitiudes. lmao:)

But I still lurve yah baby, just think this topic is stupid. You've been around too for this silly topic.

earthcrystal
Jul 23rd, 2002, 03:57 AM
Guilty as charged. :o I didn't examine too much of anything. It's late and I'm tired. I do agree that some Monica fans are way over the top. I, of course, not being one of them. :p



:kiss: back atcha

Jakeev
Jul 23rd, 2002, 03:58 AM
Lol dawn marie and you have been around long enough to get your posts closed by "narrow-minded moderators." For someone who calls this a silly post you sure are one up on me in that department.

That's ok sweetiepuss I forgive ya for being stupid too.

:kiss:

Dawn Marie
Jul 23rd, 2002, 04:10 AM
Jakeev, to catoragize your post and mine and banning in here is just not playing fair. You'll kick my ass everytime. lmao

Sweetie wherever you go I go. Remember those days when we would just follow each other into every single thread?

Thanks for the kiss, it was sweet.

irma
Jul 23rd, 2002, 07:50 AM
the cnn people came here because it is down.
if you knew the fanzone there, you would not be suprised!

jd4eva
Jul 23rd, 2002, 08:05 AM
Haven't you read the rules?

Monica is a saint and is not open to criticism

by decree of SOME of her fans

Williams Rulez
Jul 23rd, 2002, 09:06 AM
I'm not surprised. I mean they must be sick of the increased and constant dissing that that Monica gets. I'm sick of it too. Go Selestians! :D

Beige
Jul 23rd, 2002, 11:26 AM
Monica is being used as a scapegoat by a team of fakes. Pathetic.

selesadmirer
Jul 23rd, 2002, 11:28 AM
angele i don't know why you get pissed of for what you quoted before......put yourself in monicas shoes......then speak

irma
Jul 23rd, 2002, 11:35 AM
If I was in Monica's shoes, I would do the same as her.
Staying away from the internet;)

selesfan
Jul 23rd, 2002, 12:11 PM
If I was in Monica's shoes, I would do the same as her. Staying away from the internet

LOL!:D

Kart
Jul 23rd, 2002, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by ILUVJELENA
Haven't you read the rules?

Monica is a saint and is not open to criticism



You misread the rules ... Monica is open to criticism and she's not a saint - she's an :angel: ;).

I love all the posts in this thread where everyone has been very careful to point out SOME of Monica's fans etc. This messageboard is a bit of a minefield.

LOL @ irma BTW :).

earthcrystal
Jul 24th, 2002, 12:08 AM
Originally posted by irma
If I was in Monica's shoes, I would do the same as her.
Staying away from the internet;)

As she stated in that chat session she recently did, Monica's only access to what's on the tennis sites is that "some friends print out messages for me".

I've passed on many great messages from real Selestials--she has no need (thankfully!) to browse thru the debris :)

Queen Akasha
Jul 24th, 2002, 12:24 AM
You know what the sad truth is? if you say anything that is not positive about a player, someone will attack you for it. You nailed to the wall for saying that someone still does not look fit to you, or just quoting any stats that you could find on any tennis website. Hypothetically, I could say that my fav beat your fav four times in a row in straight sets, so I think my fav will win their next match against your fav. I will get slammed saying so, this is sad, but its never going to change.

selesrules
Jul 24th, 2002, 12:32 AM
So why single out Monica fans then? All fans act that way. I bet if Serena spanks Venus 20 times in a row, you will still have Venus fans saying that Venus is the best, and the same goes for the fans of all the other players.

Jakeev
Jul 24th, 2002, 02:56 AM
I disagree selesrules.

I have not seen all fans of Monica call her seeding at Stanford an "injustice," "travesty," or "was robbed" by everyone who supports her.

If people were aware of how the WTA works with it's rules perhaps they would not be so hasty to set themselves up for "silly posts" like these.

razzponic
Jul 24th, 2002, 03:06 AM
I just want to say that I love Monica! That's all folks. So you better shut up!;)