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Volcana
Jul 22nd, 2002, 09:26 PM
.... I didn't whine about it. I didn't bitch about Martina's arrogance. I didn't start rumors out of jealousy.

When Venus clearly played well enough to win Wimbledon 99 and Steffi just HAD to play one of her best matches ever, I grit my teeth and took it.

When Monica beat Venus at OZ this year, I hated it. But I didn't start rumors Monica was on drugs.

And you what? I'm still glad I didn't. Rumor-mongering out of jealousy is... hmmm how to put it? Let's be gentle. It's a sign of poor breeding. My mother would be ashamed if I did anything like that. Besides, other than seeing Venus lose, which makes me physically ill, tennis is great for me to watch. I enjoyed the Berlin final quite thoroughly. Serena's nice, but she ain't Venus and Justine took it to her that day. And of course, Berlin made the Rome final all the sweeter.

I even, (I really shouldn't admit this) enjoy the presence of most of Venus and Serena's detractors. Knowing every Williams win drives them deeper into their holes IS a perverse pleasure. Venus, I suspect, would not approve. At least she wouldn't admit it. But I get twice the pleasure out of every win. Because before virtually every match Venus or Serena plays, someone posts praying they'll lose. So I get to enjoy the win, and the suffering of the detractors.

Vanity
Jul 22nd, 2002, 09:27 PM
Get over it already.

If you think anybody is physically "suffering" because Venus/Serena win, then you have issues.

Daniel
Jul 22nd, 2002, 09:31 PM
*sigh* *sigh* What is the point of this thread????

Weevee
Jul 22nd, 2002, 09:33 PM
Your grammar is not great Vanity but I congratulate you because you have "GOT over it already"

Ryan
Jul 22nd, 2002, 09:38 PM
I doubt many people here are THAT hurt by any Williams win. This is a pointless thread to goad people into insulting the Sisters and you, only letting you revel even more in your "perverse pleasure".


Your grammar is not great Vanity but I congratulate you because you have "GOT over it already"

What was so wrong about Vanity's post? Nothing is spelled wrong, and the grammar she used is correct.

Vanity
Jul 22nd, 2002, 09:41 PM
This is just another useless thread that will probably be locked soon.

A tip to the extreme pro-williams people: if Williams "detractors" bother you so much, then post at an all-williams fan board. Otherwise, you're going to have to deal with it here. This is after all, a tennis board for all tennis fans. Not everyone is going to like the Williams and bow down to them.

Daniel
Jul 22nd, 2002, 09:43 PM
I hope so Vanity

persond
Jul 22nd, 2002, 09:44 PM
Originally posted by Weevee
Your grammar is not great Vanity but I congratulate you because you have "GOT over it already"

:D :D Weevee,
I guess "getting over it" was made all the easier by supporting players like "Nancy" and "DeWonder". LOL:kiss: :kiss: :kiss:

QUEENLINDSAY
Jul 22nd, 2002, 09:55 PM
Well Said Vanity!!!!!

Ryan
Jul 22nd, 2002, 09:56 PM
It's Dewonder you dipstick. Whats so wrong with supporting players like Nancy and Dewonder anyway? You obviously don't have the brain capacity to insult someone, so you criticize people they cheer for.:p

Jordan.
Jul 22nd, 2002, 10:01 PM
:rolleyes: @ this thread


*sigh*

Dawn Marie
Jul 22nd, 2002, 10:07 PM
Huh? Lindsay and Hingis are not people that alot of fans should have to ass kiss either. Like I wrote earlier I for one am glad that they are on the mend, but I want to see Venus and Serena beat that ass as well. just like fans of other fans want to see Lindsay and hingis beat up on Venus and Serena.

The only difference is that this board is moderated by pro Hingis and Lindsay people, and anti Williams. You either got to roll with the punches or deal with it.

Ryan
Jul 22nd, 2002, 10:10 PM
LMAO, Dawn, what the hell we're you replying to? As far as I can tell that post had nothing to do with naything else posted before it. What do the moderators have to do with anything here? If you don't like who thier favorites are, thne get off your own ass and become one.

Dawn Marie
Jul 22nd, 2002, 10:19 PM
Don't let my post get you in a tizzy fit Ryan14, just ignore it.

Don't worry about me and moderating, but if you want to then so be it. I will get off my ASS when I do so choose. And right now I feel like sitting on my ASS. Just like you and everyone else's eyes are focused on the computer at this precise time.


omg, I am actually responding to a 14 year old.

persond
Jul 22nd, 2002, 10:20 PM
Originally posted by Ryan15
It's Dewonder you dipstick. Whats so wrong with supporting players like Nancy and Dewonder anyway? You obviously don't have the brain capacity to insult someone, so you criticize people they cheer for.:p

Ryan,

I don't argue with "children", so, I'll keep my comments to you as brief as possible. Firstly, calling me a "dipstick" really makes you feel like a man, huh?? It, really shows how intelligent you are!! My comments, though not addressed to you, were sarcasm and intended to read as such. However, with your limited points of reference, you failed to understand. And, I'm okay with that. Secondly, I've more "brains" in my little finger than you've acquired in all of your diminutive 15 years. If that's your age and not your IQ.

You should STAY IN A CHILDS' PLACE, and only respond, WHEN SPOKEN TO. Did your parents teach you any manners. Probably not since they allow you to use the internet unsupervised!! Again, your failure to recognize the sarcasm just goes to underscore your childish limitations. Please put me on your ignore list, and don't respond to me or any of my posts. Like I said, I, don't argue with children.

Ryan
Jul 22nd, 2002, 10:26 PM
Don't worry about me and moderating, but if you want to then so be it. I will get off my ASS when I do so choose. And right now I feel like sitting on my ASS. Just like you and everyone else's eyes are focused on the computer at this precise time.


Fine then Dawn, sit on your ass, but don't complain about moderators and who they choose to support.


omg, I can't believe I responded to Dawn.

QUEENLINDSAY
Jul 22nd, 2002, 10:35 PM
Dawn is a desperate moderator.

QUEENLINDSAY
Jul 22nd, 2002, 10:39 PM
Hey, Ryan I'd rather talk to a 14 or 15 year old like you than talk to an adult with a child ego like Dawn and persond.

By the way, are u really 14 or 15 only??? You actually the one acting like an adult here.

Vanity
Jul 22nd, 2002, 10:44 PM
OMG... they're dissing Dewonder and Nancy!!! LMFAO :)
I bet persond even thinks I cheer for them to win. :) Yeah right, I know they are only capable of winning a game or two here and there and not much else, except for the occasional victory a fellow old-timer. But I still love them. :)

This thread is too funny. :kiss:

persond
Jul 22nd, 2002, 11:12 PM
Originally posted by QUEENLINDSAY
Hey, Ryan I'd rather talk to a 14 or 15 year old like you than talk to an adult with a child ego like Dawn and persond.

By the way, are u really 14 or 15 only??? You actually the one acting like an adult here.

:D I might have a "childs' ego", but at least I've the intelligence of an adult, something, Queenlindsay, you've failed to display!! And, the nerve of you, intimating that I've behave in a "childish manner", when, a search of your posts Queenie is all the proof you need to show your true colors.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

QUEENLINDSAY, you're not the "sharpest knife" in the drawer!!!
HaHaHaHaHaHaHa...aaaahhhHaH:hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

QUEENLINDSAY
Jul 22nd, 2002, 11:18 PM
I may not be the sharpest knife, but you were already hurt with my edge........ Poor persond, trying to be smart as he/she could/nt be.

persond
Jul 22nd, 2002, 11:22 PM
Originally posted by Vanity
OMG... they're dissing Dewonder and Nancy!!! LMFAO :)
I bet persond even thinks I cheer for them to win. :) Yeah right, I know they are only capable of winning a game or two here and there and not much else, except for the occasional victory a fellow old-timer. But I still love them. :)

This thread is too funny. :kiss:


:) :) Calm down Vanity. It was a joke, sarcasm, that some people,(mainly a 15 year old) failed to understand.:) :)

And, not only is this thread too funny, but the damn responses to the thread are just as funny.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :p :p

QUEENLINDSAY
Jul 22nd, 2002, 11:25 PM
The funniest is your response persond...

BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAH

Trying to wash his/her hands re: Dewonder and Nancy

persond
Jul 22nd, 2002, 11:25 PM
Originally posted by QUEENLINDSAY
I may not be the sharpest knife, but you were already hurt with my edge........ Poor persond, trying to be smart as he/she could/nt be.

HaHaHaHaHaHa,,,aaahhhHaH:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

QUEENLINDSAY
Jul 22nd, 2002, 11:28 PM
So much time wasted replying to you persond.

No challenge at all!!!!!

BYE!!!!!

TennisSTUD
Jul 22nd, 2002, 11:34 PM
BLah blaH BlAh bLah.......

Oh god I hate threads like this.....unless Dawn posts in them ....whoo hoo!:fiery:




Oh how I love when my Martina beats Venus....:angel:

Jericho
Jul 22nd, 2002, 11:49 PM
hey im only 14...seriously i thought people around here were my age

Monica_Rules
Jul 23rd, 2002, 12:16 AM
:rolleyes: @ this thread!

Some people!

Volcana
Jul 23rd, 2002, 12:18 AM
Ryan15 - The purpose (as if it needed one) of the thread is not to goad people into insulting Venus and Serena. And you'll note, none of them have.

I don't have respect for 'fans' who attack other people's reputations because their favorite player lost.
I don't have respect for 'fans' who who accuse other people of crimes when they've no evidence, because their favorite player lost.

Before and during every tournament, all I have to do is read the posts to know how much anti-Williams sentiment there is.
It adds a little extra zing! to every Venus win knowing it bothers them. A lot.

The only 'point' of the thread was expressing my feelings on that narrow subject. Why would I NOT want Williams-detractors to know that every unfounded criticism, baseless rumor, and evidence-less criminal accusation makes the next Williams win better?

Diamond
Jul 23rd, 2002, 12:34 AM
My thoughts exactly Volcana.

-Sonic-
Jul 23rd, 2002, 12:41 AM
that horse you're on is so high up i don't think us scum-like common folk can see or hear you. luckily, we're blissful in our apparant ignorance of the wonder that is you.

barmaid
Jul 23rd, 2002, 03:03 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Volcana
[B].... I didn't whine about it. I didn't bitch about Martina's arrogance. I didn't start rumors out of jealousy.

When Venus clearly played well enough to win Wimbledon 99 and Steffi just HAD to play one of her best matches ever, I grit my teeth and took it.

When Monica beat Venus at OZ this year, I hated it. But I didn't start rumors Monica was on drugs.

What exactly was your purpose for posting this thread??:confused: Was it to nominate yourself for the most unbiased poster of the year??:rolleyes: Was it to nominate yourself for being such a good sport re the above comments on your great display of patience??:angel: Was it to nominate yourself as self-righteous?? HORRAY!!:D You win, Vol!!
But to reply to the original question...when Martina beat Venus 6-1 & 6-1 I loved it!!:p


barmaid:wavey:

o0O0o
Jul 23rd, 2002, 05:29 AM
Sonic, that was the funniest thing I read all day! I'll have to start using it! :D

Anyway, thankyou Volcana for bringing back great memories!

Of course, I do agree with you (gasp) that victories are sweeter when people kick your fave to the ground before she wins.

Buitenzorg
Jul 23rd, 2002, 05:37 AM
I :hearts: Martina HINGIS

Buitenzorg
Jul 23rd, 2002, 05:39 AM
Hey, Guys!

What is the points you all arguing about this thread!

Please keep it PEACE , hey WILLIAMS Camp vs NON WILLIAMS Camp!

Lisbeth
Jul 23rd, 2002, 07:05 AM
Actually, at that time I was more a Hingis fan than a Venus fan but I was FURIOUS at that result. Why? Because I was becoming a venus fan after her great wins and huge leap in maturity during 2000 and then she turned up in Aus completely unready to play. Sure she has the right to make frocks instead if she wants but it cost her quite a few Aussie fans who had never seen the "real" Venus because she sent pretend Venus to represent her in Aus every year.

Actually that match (and the near loss to Coetzer if I remember correctly) was one of the many reasons I became a Kim fan rather than a Venus fan.

She still hasn't turned up her best self, but the Olympics and AO 2002 made up for AO 2001 for me - to some extent.

Williams Rulez
Jul 23rd, 2002, 09:55 AM
The point is that people just can't help but insult Venus and Serena. They've not done anything wrong recently, but people have been finding reasons to pick on them, from let-cords to clothes to goodness knows what. That can easily be attributed to the fact that they are winning. That is the simple idea of this thread that almost none of you failed to understand.

And Katulampa, stop trying to start a STUPID division here.

SM
Jul 23rd, 2002, 11:06 AM
id prefer to see more variety in the champs. and would love to see some juniors come thru. as personally its getting quite boring with the Williams.

im not detracting from them, im just speaking on a personal level. So whenever i see them i root against them and there's nothing wrong with that. It isn't that i dont like power, but they bring too many qualities that make it too akin to the ATP game which i dont give a crap about(too much power).

id love to see a wide variety of girls win the big ones,more counter-punchers and serve& volleyers, but in the short term it doesnt seem likely ...the williams have a strangle hold onthe tour and deserve it, its gonna take time

in the mean time we need all the Hingis, Davenports, Clijsters etc we can get..;)

anton
Jul 23rd, 2002, 12:15 PM
I do think this board is pro Hingis, Davenport and anti-Williams a lot of times. WTASTARZS even called the potential Venus-Serena 2002 US OPEN Final a "snoozefest" in a headline story that siad they hoped Hingis could stop it. Newsflash: Martina can't stop anything until she stops hitting weak serves and ASV typed lobs.

Hopefully soon they will learn the media is supposed to be nonbiased.

Queenlindsay, you have picked on Williams fans too long. What are you going to do when Lindsay loses so many tournaments in a row?

And why is everybody picking on Dawn?
Get a grip and watch Venus rip!! ;)
Venus is the best!
Any questions?

Legends
Jul 23rd, 2002, 12:16 PM
DITTO.

It's Venus all the way.....


i don't care who she is playing - I just don't like her to lose.

I prefer Venus so much more than her sister that i am more a Venus fan than a William's fan (and these past two slam finals have not been fun times)
however, by virtue of Venus' love for her sister, Serena is my second favourite player followed by Monica, Davenport and Kim.
these are all players who inspire in different ways.

At the other end of the spectrum are girls i still admire for their athletism, talent, drive and whatever else goes into being a Professional player.

No time for hating here, mate

anton
Jul 23rd, 2002, 12:23 PM
right, don't hate.

Beige
Jul 23rd, 2002, 12:23 PM
Originally posted by Volcana
Serena's nice, but she ain't Venus and Justine took it to her that day. And of course, Berlin made the Rome final all the sweeter.

My sentiments exactly, Volcana. I like Serena but I love Venus.

Originally posted by Volcana
I even, (I really shouldn't admit this) enjoy the presence of most of Venus and Serena's detractors. Knowing every Williams win drives them deeper into their holes IS a perverse pleasure. Venus, I suspect, would not approve. At least she wouldn't admit it. But I get twice the pleasure out of every win. Because before virtually every match Venus or Serena plays, someone posts praying they'll lose. So I get to enjoy the win, and the suffering of the detractors.

Yup, there's a sour grapes epidemic amongst tennis fans and it's being documented on boards just like this one.

geoepee
Jul 23rd, 2002, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by anton

Get a grip and watch Venus rip!! ;)


Nice quote! I'm going to use it in my signature! :)

Chance
Jul 23rd, 2002, 04:30 PM
u beat me to it geoepee

fhkung
Jan 7th, 2003, 12:00 AM
just a reminder.....:)..*BUMP*.....

Ryan
Jan 7th, 2003, 12:06 AM
Like THIS needed to be dug up? Do us all a favour and stop it before I report you to the mods for cluttering the board with old shit.

TeeRexx
Jan 7th, 2003, 12:08 AM
That OZ victory over VENUS was a great win for Chucky.
To bad she couldn't follow up that win with the OZ GS title.

Let us not forget the thrashings that Chucky got in the U.S. Open & Wimbey in 2000 that were followed up by title wins. :)

1jackson2001
Jan 7th, 2003, 02:42 AM
I enjoy Venus kicking ass as well.

Volcana
Jan 7th, 2003, 03:08 AM
fhkung - Thanks for digging this one up. It's fun to read again, especially given the way Venus and Serena stomped the tour in 2002.

barmaid - How'd you like the outcome of the last two Venus vs Martina matches?

spencercarlos
Jan 7th, 2003, 05:11 AM
Originally posted by Volcana
.... I didn't whine about it. I didn't bitch about Martina's arrogance. I didn't start rumors out of jealousy.

When Venus clearly played well enough to win Wimbledon 99 and Steffi just HAD to play one of her best matches ever, I grit my teeth and took it.

When Monica beat Venus at OZ this year, I hated it. But I didn't start rumors Monica was on drugs.

And you what? I'm still glad I didn't. Rumor-mongering out of jealousy is... hmmm how to put it? Let's be gentle. It's a sign of poor breeding. My mother would be ashamed if I did anything like that. Besides, other than seeing Venus lose, which makes me physically ill, tennis is great for me to watch. I enjoyed the Berlin final quite thoroughly. Serena's nice, but she ain't Venus and Justine took it to her that day. And of course, Berlin made the Rome final all the sweeter.

I even, (I really shouldn't admit this) enjoy the presence of most of Venus and Serena's detractors. Knowing every Williams win drives them deeper into their holes IS a perverse pleasure. Venus, I suspect, would not approve. At least she wouldn't admit it. But I get twice the pleasure out of every win. Because before virtually every match Venus or Serena plays, someone posts praying they'll lose. So I get to enjoy the win, and the suffering of the detractors.

2 Things Volcana.
1) When Martina beat Venus 6-1 6-1 i guess you talk about AO 2001 i donīt remember any arrogance from Martina, especially in that particular tournament ( for sure she was in the past), in fact she said that she knew Venus game was "off that day" and made tons on errors.

2) I dont agree on your second quote saying that Steffi played "ONE OF HER BEST" matches to beat Venus. Steffi post 97 was far from her top form either phisically or even mentally. Anyway it was a great match to watch for sure i have it taped :) 6-2 3-6 6-4 for Graf. Who actually won the third set based on net play.

3) I miss the point of the thread, i mean just are just telling that you are having a good time when Serena and Venus beats everybody all the time. I mean its ok you are a Williams Fan and its ok. Its pointless to say that was good dont make silly coments when other players were on the top of tennis etc...

Remember that Venus and Serena being at the top of tennis, i mean people pull for their faves (not being the sisters) to come and notch some wins over the Big Sisters.

Kiswana
Jan 7th, 2003, 05:16 AM
Hingis knew she won by fault.

She succeeded in beating both sisters at the same tournament.

Not completely gratifying and she realised that.

Simplify
Jan 7th, 2003, 06:07 AM
Like THIS needed to be dug up? Do us all a favour and stop it before I report you to the mods for cluttering the board with old shit.

Please hurry!!!

LucasArg
Jan 7th, 2003, 06:31 AM
I LIKE U VOLCANA:D

:worship:

persond
Jan 7th, 2003, 07:06 AM
Originally posted by fhkung
just a reminder.....:)..*BUMP*.....


:D :D At first I thought your problem was "cultural", now, however, I'm convinced it's "genetic".:kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :cool: :cool: