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Volcana
Jul 21st, 2002, 06:29 PM
Tier III, IV and V tournaments.

The big girls don't get down here much. Venus did start her year down here. Monica and Jelena visit regularly. (Jelena because she'd discorporate if she took a week off. Monica because (as near as I can tell) she needs/needed the points.) But this isn't the usual realm of top ten players. It isn't even the realm of top twenty players. In 23 tournaments, the winners have only been top 20 players five times. They just don't play in tournaments this small.

Which is good. The Tier III, IV V's are almost a developmental tour. You don't go home to work on your game if you're a good player. You play Tier III's and Tier IV's while you work things out. Then go up to the big tour for more points, more exposure, more prize money and more endorsements. Look at Anna Smashnova. She's won three small tournaments this year, and got her game in shape. Now she's doing well enough in the big tournaments for a top 20 ranking. Textbook example.

One other note. They play a lot more clay down here than the big girls do. 17 out of 36 Tier III, IV and V tournaments are on clay. (16 red, 1 green.) Nearly half. Only 6 out of 31 GS, Tier I and Tier II tournaments are played on clay.


t4 12-31-01 Auckland Smashnova def Panova 6-2 6-2 HO

T3 12-31-02 Gold Coast V.Williams def Henin 7-5 6-2 HO

t5 01-07-02 Canberra Smashnova def Tanasugarn 7-5 7-6 HO

t5 01-07-02 Hobart Sucha def Garrigues 7-6 6-1 HO

t3 02-11-02 Doha Seles def Tanasugarn 7-6 6-3 HO

t3 02-18-02 Bogota Zuluaga def Srebotnik 6-1 6-4 RC

t3 02-18-02 Memphis Raymond def Stevenson 4-6 6-3 7-6 HI

t3 02-25-02 Acapulco Srebotnik def Suarez 6-7 6-4 6-2 RC

t4 04-01-02 Porto Montolio def Serna 6-1 2-6 7-5 RC

t4 04-01-02 Sarasota Dokic def Panova 6-2 6-2 GC

t4 04-08-01 Estoril Serna def Barna 6-4 6-2 RC

t5 04-15-02 Budapest Muller def Casanova 6-2 3-6 6-4 RC

t3 04-29-02 Bol Svensson def Majoli 6-3 4-6 6-1 RC

t4 05-06-02 Warsaw Bovina def Nagyova 6-3 6-1 RC

t3 05-20-02 Madrid Seles def Rubin 6-4 6-2 RC

t3 05-20-02 Strasbourg Farina def Dokic 6-4 3-6 6-3 RC

t3 06-10-02 Birmingham Dokic def Myskina 6-2 6-3 GR

t4 06-10-02 Tashkent Mikaelian def Poutchek 6-4 6-4 HO

t3 06-10-02 Vienna Smashnova def Tulyaganova 6-4 6-1 RC

t3 06-17-02 Ordina Daniilidou def Dementieva 3-6 6-2 6-3 GR

t4 07-08-02 Brussels Casanova def ASV 4-6 6-2 6-1 RC

t5 07-08-02 Casablanca Wartusch def Koukalova 5-7 6-3 6-3 RC

t5 07-08-02 Palermo Diaz-Oliva def Zvonareva 6-7 6-1 6-3 RC

t3 07-22-02 Sopot RC
t4 07-29-02 Basel RC
t5 08-05-02 Helsinki RC

t4 09-09-02 Shanghai HO

t4 09-09-02 Big Island HO

t3 09-16-02 Quebec City HI

t3 09-23-02 Bali HO
t3 09-30-02 Tokyo HO
t4 10-07-02 Aarhus SI
t5 10-14-02 Bratislava HI
t3 10-21-02 Seat SI

t5 10-28-02 Surabaya HO

t5 11-04-02 Pattaya City HO
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12 HO - Hard Outdoor
3 HI - Hard Indoor
16 RC - Red Clay
1 GC - Green Clay
2 GR - Grass
2 SI - Supreme Indoor

36 TT - Total

ptkten
Jul 21st, 2002, 07:10 PM
You realize there's not very many faster surface tournaments for the lower ranked players (i.e. grass and indoor)....i think that it's kind of unfair because I think players like Hopkins and Molik are just as talented as some claycourters, and the clay courters can get to ranks such as 25 just by playing in these lower tiered clay events that are not offered indoors and on grass.

Top 20 players at the time playing in these lower tiered events:
Winners in CAPS

Gold Coast
WILLIAMS
Henin
Shaughnessy
Farina Elia
Testud

Doha
SELES
Testud
Sanchez-Vicario

Memphis
Coetzer

Acapulco
Dementieva
Sanchez-Vicario
Coetzer

Sarasota
DOKIC
Shaughnessy
Sanchez-Vicario

Bol
Dementieva

Madrid
SELES
Sanchez-Vicario
Tanasugarn

Strasbourg
Dokic
FARINA ELIA
Shaughnessy
Tulyaganova

Birmingham
DOKIC
Testud
Tanasugarn
Maleeva

Vienna
Farina Elia
Tulyaganova
Schnyder

Rosmalen
Clijsters
Henin
Mauresmo
Dementieva
Maleeva

interestingly, though, if you look at it this way, in only 6 out of 11 tournaments where top 20 players entered, did they win. Raymond, Srebotnik, Svensson, Smashnova(who is now top 20), and Daniilidou won those tournaments. So, I guess at times they're not as successful as they should be in these tournaments. Although, when a top 10 player such as Williams, Dokic, or Seles enters, they generally win.

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Jul 21st, 2002, 07:17 PM
I wish more events were added in the US during the fall season....kinda like an oppossing season (like now..clay tournaments during the hard season).

It would benefit the non-claycourters that are ranked outside the top 20 tremendously.

mboyle
Jul 21st, 2002, 09:03 PM
Ooooooh I have an idea:
Rebound Ace Season: Big Tour- Australia/Asia
Little Tour: Africa
Clay Court/Grass Court Seasons: Big Tour- Europe
Little Tour- N. America
Hard Court/Indoor Seasons: Big Tour- N. America
Little Tour- Europe
Ace Season: January/February
Clay Season: March/April
Grass Season: May/June
Hard Season: July/August
Indoor Season: September/October
I will come up with a tournament schedule later ;)

Volcana
Jul 22nd, 2002, 04:54 AM
A couple more Tier II clay tournaments would do more good than harm, IMHO.

Williams Rulez
Jul 22nd, 2002, 01:11 PM
IMO... grass is the surface that needs more tournaments...

But that might result in too many fast court tournies, so clay might be added as well I guess. But I think grass is the best surface for players... least stressful on bodies, plus, shorter matches.