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"Topaz"
Jul 21st, 2002, 12:26 AM
Do not dismiss this idea presumptively: Davenport looks very fit and has been training very hard from what I've heard.

If that were to happen though, this board would explode. Actually, the reverberations would be worldwide. So many people (mistakenly forgetting Serena for a while) would be exulted with the idea that the Williams' stranglehold has been broken; that the cat is back, and it's time for the mice to run away. Oh boy!

Seriously, although hypothetical for now, what would be the impact of such a happening on the tour? Good, bad, or irrelevant?

Vanity
Jul 21st, 2002, 12:26 AM
Venus who?

AjdeNate!
Jul 21st, 2002, 12:27 AM
Good for Lindsay...bad for everyone else! :)

Daniel
Jul 21st, 2002, 12:27 AM
lol

A miracle................

:lick:

villa
Jul 21st, 2002, 12:51 AM
i'd say well done lindsay but 1 win doens't predict the rest of the season, and it's not if venus is invincible anyway, she lost to shuagnessey last year in stanford which was a bigger shock than lindsay possibly beating her would be and went on to win all the tournaments she played the rest of the year.

Bezz
Jul 21st, 2002, 01:10 AM
It would be nice is she did but i am not expecting to much from her cos its only the 1st tourney in 9 months. :-0

JCFan
Jul 21st, 2002, 01:50 AM
It's possible. Venus has low confidence right now and is quite beatable IMO. But first Lindsay has to make it to the final (as does Venus for that matter). For Lindsay to make it to a final in her first tourney back, that is asking a lot. But I'd love to see it (not that it's on TV or anything :(). It sure would make for a great final. It would be great for the tour if this happened. Hopefully Lindsay will be a threat at the Open and shake things up. We need something other than the all-Williams face-off we are getting accustomed to.

Buitenzorg
Jul 21st, 2002, 02:04 AM
Anything is possible!

kay
Jul 21st, 2002, 02:16 AM
I'd say you go Lindsay.

Williams Rulez
Jul 21st, 2002, 02:18 AM
Considering Venus lost to Megahnn last year... this would be a minor shock wouldn't it? ;)

angele87
Jul 21st, 2002, 02:28 AM
Seriously, although hypothetical for now, what would be the impact of such a happening on the tour? Good, bad, or irrelevant?

Sorry but I have to LOL at this! Like one loss could change the whole tour lol. To even think of that is kinda stupid :o Newsflash: Venus has already been beaten this year. Minus the meetings against Serena, Off the top of my head I can think of her loss to Monica in Oz and to Kim in Hamburg and if my memory serves me right, the tour didn't change very much after thoses losses so I doubt it will change much if this one happens!!

selesrules
Jul 21st, 2002, 02:31 AM
If Davenport beats Venus, then what Capriati said about the Williams being no.1 & no.2 because Davenport (& Hingis) were injured will become a hot topic again. It will make for interesting discussions.

However, Venus won't get to the final :)

Shane54
Jul 21st, 2002, 02:49 AM
Let's leave the ifs and what ifs for the tennis court. Right now Serena is #1 and Venus #2 and UNTIL they are CONSISTENTLY beaten by a certain player then we can start talking....

Harju.
Jul 21st, 2002, 03:00 AM
If it happens........ then it's good, cos i think Lindsay has the ability to beat her!!!

kiwifan
Jul 21st, 2002, 03:35 AM
I think that a Lindsay over Venus result would not really mean much for anyone but Lindsay's fans and Williams "haters".

Once a player has reached #1, be it for a week or a year, I think that the only thing that matters from that point on is Grandslam finals and victories.

That is what Chucky, Lindsay, Serena and Venus will be remembered for when their careers are over.

The rest of the tour is just "warm up" time between Grandslams.

angele87
Jul 21st, 2002, 03:37 AM
I think that a Lindsay over Venus result would not really mean much for anyone but Lindsay's fans and Williams "haters".

I totally agree!

persond
Jul 21st, 2002, 03:44 AM
:D And, what if Venus beats Lindsay, and quite badly at that, what the hell would you all say then???:D :D

Exactly, I thought so. So "ENUF" of the "bullshit" already.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

THIS IS A STUPID THREAD, FOR STUPID PEOPLE TO WISH AND HOPE FOR!!! It's as simple as that!!!:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Volcana
Jul 21st, 2002, 05:08 AM
Well, it would help the non-Williams members of the tour psychologically, because right now, 'The Williams Sisters' is this seemingly unstoppable dual monolith. The problem is, all the tour would be doing is adding a bigger, slower Williams sister. So three of them are up there instead of two. How does that help any player who isn't 6'2", with a high pace groundies and big serve?

From a 'Williams-stopping' perspective, Lindsay is about the last player the rest of the tour needs to do well. She's as unique a physical specimen as Venus. She isn't as fast, so she doesn't cover court as well, (the extra inch in height helps make up for this) but her groundies are a little (not a lot anymore) reliable. Jenn and Monica won't learn anything about beating Venus from Lindsay. Neither of them has a big enough serve, or consistent enough depth on their groundstrokes to do what Lindsay does.

It'll be news if Lindsay beats Venus.

harloo
Jul 21st, 2002, 05:19 AM
Originally posted by JCFan
It's possible. Venus has low confidence right now and is quite beatable IMO. But first Lindsay has to make it to the final (as does Venus for that matter). For Lindsay to make it to a final in her first tourney back, that is asking a lot. But I'd love to see it (not that it's on TV or anything :(). It sure would make for a great final. It would be great for the tour if this happened. Hopefully Lindsay will be a threat at the Open and shake things up. We need something other than the all-Williams face-off we are getting accustomed to.

Really Vee has low confidence right now? Huh? The only player she lost to in slams this year is her sister. Everyone else, I don't see as a big problem for Venus mentally.

Some of you need to worry about what Lindsay's return will mean for Capriati. You know Lindsay owns her in head 2 head matches.:D

Now as far as Lindsay against the sisters, I think it will be a challenge for them when Lindsay gets back on track. However, I don't see Lindsay dominating them like they have in their recent matchups with her. She may get a win here and there, and I know it will make some of you so excited but exalting Lindsay as the saviour will set you all up for dissapointment. She's back, let her enjoy herself, relax, and have some fun. :) ;)

"Topaz"
Jul 21st, 2002, 05:28 AM
This simple question/exclamation has forced many people to think, at least those who tend to. Except for a couple of replies which I found out of whack, I appreciate your posts.

We've been immersed lately in a sea of words, articles and intrigues regarding Williams domination, absence of real competion for the foreseeable future and the hope that the returns of Davenport and Hingis will change all that.

As a Williams fan, I can see the roar that would rise from the Williams' visceral detractors and Davenport fans as well. But if you take some distance from this hypothetical event to get a better perspective, you can begin to see some effect on the tour itself.

First, it would mean players don't need to be afraid to take time off to undergo all the necessary medical treatment they need. The fear of a long road back a la Anna K. and Mary P. would be counterbalanced by the success at first strike by Lindsay. (A good signal to Kim, for example).

Second, psychological energy would be pumped into the other top players, prompting them to raise their games to face the Williams' challenge.

Third, the tennis pundits would relax on the idea of a Williams domination, at least until the ever possible all-Williams final at the US Open.

To those who didn't recognize it, that wouldn't be just a regular win or loss. The players involved and the circumstance carry a lot of weight.

Ahhh! It's all hypothetical, and ability to deal with hypotheses requires intellectual maturity.

Leo7
Jul 21st, 2002, 05:29 AM
Originally posted by harloo


Some of you need to worry about what Lindsay's return will mean for Capriati. You know Lindsay owns her in head 2 head matches.:D


and for dear Jelena! Dokic should have enjoyed the past 7 months on the WTA without Linzi around to spank her sweet touchie, but the ass kickings continue this month in Stanford! GO, Linzi!;)

and as for the main topic, i don't undertsand how you other Linzi fans have such high expectations for her?! this is, after all, her first tournament since November 2001! i would also love for her to double bagel Venus in the FINALS, but i'm just pleased to see her back on the courts.

;)

Williams Rulez
Jul 21st, 2002, 05:31 AM
Oh no... poor Dokic indeed... :sad:

Couver
Jul 21st, 2002, 06:05 AM
Well I hope both make the final :) Venus and Lindsay always have good matches. They are such close matches and basically come down to who can get the break first.

I think it would be good for the tour to see two top players fighting for a title.

I suppose Venus loosing would make her fans a little unhappy and others happy & Lindsay's winning would make her fans happy and others not happy. But that's what happens on this board all the time.

Will it change the tour? It could if Lindsay could keep doing it. But I'll wait until she plays Serena to decide that.

Kart
Jul 21st, 2002, 07:01 AM
If Davenport beats Venus at Stanford it will be bad news because it will mean that Monica has already been beaten :( ;).

thecorrs
Jul 21st, 2002, 08:38 AM
I will be soooooooooo happy if Lindsay comes back and kick some mean ass :D

per4ever
Jul 21st, 2002, 11:09 AM
I'm fully supporting Lindsay in her games against the Williams sisters :D

GO LINDSAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peter M
Jul 21st, 2002, 01:31 PM
Really Vee has low confidence right now? Huh? The only player she lost to in slams this year is her sister.

Seles def Venus in Australia.

Yet, I agree with JCFan to a point. Venus does not want to be 0-4 in Grand Slams this year. So far, with Davenport out 3 Slams, Hingis out 2 and Serena out 1, I can't imagine that Venus would have thought she would be slamless at this point in the year. That afftects her mental state, if you ask me.

chings
Jul 21st, 2002, 01:52 PM
Some stupid ideas going around here about Davenport's coming
back and going do that. Do you all know the head to heads
between Venus and Davenport since 1999 to now? and not to
mention the one I know pretty well between Serena and Davenport. Davenport is not going to do anything with the
sisters in any way. She may do her come back thing against
Seles, Capraiti or Dokic but not Venus and Serena.

Hulet
Jul 21st, 2002, 02:20 PM
Originally posted by harloo


Really Vee has low confidence right now? Huh? The only player she lost to in slams this year is her sister. Everyone else, I don't see as a big problem for Venus mentally.



a tiny correction :) - she (venus) also lost to Monica in slams this year.

Volcana
Jul 21st, 2002, 03:00 PM
Hope springs eternal, eh?

tennischick
Jul 21st, 2002, 03:16 PM
i really don't see what the big deal would be if either woman loses to the other. it's just a tennis match, not the stock market crashing.

harloo
Jul 21st, 2002, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by tennischick
i really don't see what the big deal would be if either woman loses to the other. it's just a tennis match, not the stock market crashing.

Exactly tennischick! Someone has to lose, and someone has to win. It's not the stock market crashing!! I like that!!!:D

Thanks Peter M, and Eti for the correction about Monica finally beating Venus in a slam, maybe you two can get together and compare notes.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Anywho, I know you guys are hoping, wishing, and praying that Venus confidence is down but I just don't see her bowing out to any player now but Serena. If Vee has an really off day, then she will most likely not be the victor. But most of the time, even if she plays badly even against top players she wins. I also notice that Venus is good at moving on. She lost at the BOTWC last year to Megan and wen't on to beat Seles, Caps, Henin, Lindsay, etc in the Pilot Pen, Acura Classic and defend both her titles. Keep on wishing, I wan't to see a Lindsay, Vee final. May the best player win.:kiss:

Oasiatic
Jul 21st, 2002, 04:56 PM
Not likely.

o0O0o
Jul 21st, 2002, 06:59 PM
You know, not everyone has a vandetta against the Williams sisters, we just want good competition, so some of you fans have to stop looking for trouble where there isn't any.

angele87
Jul 21st, 2002, 07:11 PM
One loss to one of the William sisters would NOT mean that they're not still dominating. To dominate you don't have to win every single tournament you enter. Regardless of who wins Stanford, the Williams will still be dominating the tour !

Raj
Jul 21st, 2002, 07:25 PM
A big IF.........DAVENPORT beat VENUS it would be a big deal........everyone would start going on about how Davenport could take on the Williams etc
It would be fun for the tour, make things more interesting.
Watching VENUS at Wimbledon, there was one think i realized, VENUS can win most of her games without even playing her best tennis (and Serena)!

"Topaz"
Jul 22nd, 2002, 01:13 AM
Bump!

Weevee
Jul 22nd, 2002, 01:44 AM
The sun would stand still. It would be the first time iever that a lower ranked player had beaten the no2 player in the world.

persond
Jul 22nd, 2002, 04:41 AM
Originally posted by o0O0o
You know, not everyone has a vandetta against the Williams sisters, we just want good competition, so some of you fans have to stop looking for trouble where there isn't any.

:D Oh yeah, I'm not so convinced you don't. From your posts, I'd "bet you a fat man" that YOU DO!!! And, what's so funny, is that there's not one thing YOU can do about it. And, Hingis, will suffer some of her worst defeats when she returns, because the pressure will be too great. Hingis is not the one!!! Davenport may have a better chance at upending the Sisters than Hingis. So, you continue to posts all you want about how not "skilled" the Sisters are, and I'll continue laughing at your pitiful posts trying to denigrate their success.!!!:p :p :p :p

:wavey:

Amanda
Jul 22nd, 2002, 05:59 AM
If Lindsay beats Venus, they'll both move on to the next tournament.

essielewis
Jul 22nd, 2002, 11:09 AM
But I'd love to see it (not that it's on TV or anything ).

It will be on television. It always is. I think it's on the Foxsports cable network.

Lindsay will play some good tennis but I doubt it will be at Stanford. This is her first real tournament since last November. She's just trying to get back into playing on a regular basis leading up to the U.S. Open. I think people had better stop expecting too much right away and just let her enjoy being back on the court.

BigTennisFan
Jul 22nd, 2002, 10:39 PM
Originally posted by essielewis


It will be on television. It always is. I think it's on the Foxsports cable network.

Lindsay will play some good tennis but I doubt it will be at Stanford. This is her first real tournament since last November. She's just trying to get back into playing on a regular basis leading up to the U.S. Open. I think people had better stop expecting too much right away and just let her enjoy being back on the court.


True. So far, it seems that Venus and Serena are the only two players who can be out for a while with injuries and come back and IMMEDIATELY start racking up tourny wins.
But who knows? Lindsay might be able to do it too.;)

c2
Jul 22nd, 2002, 11:16 PM
LOL weevee...

If Lindsay beats Venus it means it was probably a great match and they'll both move on to the next tournament. It means more good tennis for fans to watch :)