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selesadmirer
Jul 19th, 2002, 01:10 PM
i think its really horrible what they did to monica,lindsay should not have been the number 2 seed,and monica surely deserved it...im just saying it better not hurt monica's chances,or im gonna give the bank of west classic a phone call.

ktwtennis
Jul 19th, 2002, 01:30 PM
Me too!!

Freefall
Jul 19th, 2002, 01:58 PM
I don't think they should have, I don't think Lindsay needed any help anyway.

malaye
Jul 19th, 2002, 02:34 PM
Lindsay has a "protected ranking", coming back from injury and all. Too bad for Monica, but at the same time, I think it is normal to protect a player who is coming back from injury.
I am not sure now, but I think Monica also benefitted from this "protected ranking system" when she came back after the stabbing ? At least I hope she did !

Nina_rus
Jul 19th, 2002, 02:40 PM
Don't worry, Monica will win it anyway :)

selesrules
Jul 19th, 2002, 02:58 PM
Sorry, but when Monica cameback from the stabbing, it was a whole different thing.

However whenever Monica got INJURED which is basically every year, she once even stayed out for 6 months, they never gave her special seedings they even seeded her after JULIE HALARD in one tournament. Even Mary Pierce didn't have any special seedings. And now Davenport is seeded no.2? Whatever.

Monica_Rules
Jul 19th, 2002, 03:00 PM
It is stupid Lindsay would have been the 7th seed which is good enough!

Kart
Jul 19th, 2002, 03:26 PM
Monica was co-ranked no.1 for a certain number of tournaments when she came back but it was done in such a way that the other top players got to keep their rankings.

I don't understand how injury protection brings Lindsay in at no.2 - when she got injured she was no.1 so surely she should be the no.1 seed ?

On principle I think it's unfair on Monica but if she ends up in the same half as Lindsay I don't think it much matters as they were going to have to meet in the semis anyway (assuming they both get there).

selesadmirer
Jul 19th, 2002, 03:27 PM
I cant stress what a big difference #2 and 3 seed is.......monica should speak up,and there is a big difference between a knee injury and a stabbing.....Monica has gone through a lot in her life and im purely disgusted,what they did with the seedings.

Kart
Jul 19th, 2002, 03:51 PM
The no.2 seed means that Lindsay won't play Venus until the final where as Monica could meet either in the semis.

If Monica had no.2 seed then theoretically she would have only had to play one of Lindsay or Venus (if they had ended up in the same half) in the whole tournament.

Freefall
Jul 19th, 2002, 03:55 PM
If the seeds go like other tournaments, then Monica will be on Venus's side of the draw.

Almost EVERY tournament I've seen had 1 & 3 on one half & 2 & 4 on the other half.

I don't know if they do it on purpose or if it's just luck it ends up that way.

ziggy
Jul 19th, 2002, 04:47 PM
Monica should have kept her number two seeding and Linds at #3. I would have been pissed if Venus was bumped to 2.

TatiAnnahølic
Jul 19th, 2002, 04:50 PM
I think lindsay have a ranking protection.

disposablehero
Jul 19th, 2002, 05:21 PM
Maybe this is good for Monica. Monica is too comfortable, and needs some abuse to really piss her off. Hopefully this will be enough.

Kelly
Jul 19th, 2002, 05:26 PM
i am a lindsay fan so im not gonna say too much....but at the end of the day monica is a good player and a number doesnt determin whether or not she will beat someone on any particular day...either player could loose there first match so there wouldnt be much point as to who had the 2 or 3 slot. Shit happens...deal with it!

darren cahill
Jul 19th, 2002, 08:17 PM
Maybe surgery has something to do with it? Did Mary or Conchita actually have surgery or were they just out of the game? in either case, a lot of hoo-ha over something you cant do anything about. I'm sure it wasnt anything personal to Monica no matter what anyone says. Just watch, if Lindsay enters an event monica isnt in, i'm sure the same thing will happen. I'm just glad Lindsay is back, hopefully she can mix things up a bit, god knows it needs to be, none of the other girls are making a mess of things, maybe lindsay can shake things up

Hulet
Jul 19th, 2002, 08:27 PM
just adding my signiture to the petition - yes, I am disgusted, too. Seed according to the ranking and let the chips whereever they may.

selesrules
Jul 19th, 2002, 08:37 PM
Kelly,
Monica fans know more then anyone that "shit happens", I'm just tired of Monica always being the one who gets the shit.

Oh well, I guess Williams, Davenport, Hingis will have their "parents" watching, and oh they will have a special seeding, oh and they will have a normal tennis career without interference of outside forces, and oh if someone attacks them then the person will go to jail, and oh I'm sure that the players won't vote against a special seeding like back in 1995, but hey we as Monica fans should just shut up and deal with the shit, it would be so convenient. I'm pissed that Davenport is seeded at no.2 because the same thing happened to Monica a few years ago and her ranking dropped outside the top 10 and she was seeded behind Julie Halard. You know what? I'm surprised Monica hasn't left this stupid tour.

angele87
Jul 19th, 2002, 08:48 PM
I would have to agree that I'm disgusted with the seedings as well as there is no real reason for it. Protected Ranking? how is that possible since when Lindsay went out she was number one :confused: If it was Serena who was playing instead of Venus then *maybe* I could understand the reasoning of Lindsay's protected ranking being two since it wouldn't be very fair to give the #1 ranked player in the world a #2 seeding but it's not Serena who's playing, it's Venus :confused: Anyway I'd really like to hear a good reason for this cuz it's real crap for the person who has to drop from 2 to 3 and the player who has to drop from 4 to 5 :fiery:

Elleke
Jul 19th, 2002, 08:49 PM
it 's shit .. what the %#§*!!! yeah.. now want everyone be injured.. it's really unfair

CoryAnnAvants#1
Jul 19th, 2002, 09:39 PM
I don't really understand why Lindsay needs the injury protection ranking for this tournament. I could understand for the Open, but why here. This isn't like her ranking fell down to #300. Let's say she was ranked #60 and her ranking fell so far that she had to start playing satellites and challengers qualifying. Then I could understand. Do you really need to be "protected" if you are still in the top 10?

selesadmirer
Jul 19th, 2002, 10:02 PM
i agree with you selesrules......monica has gone through so much in her life and she doesn't deserve this.....i hope the organizers realize what a dumb mistake they made.......hopefully seles doesn't come back to this nasty tournament.

per4ever
Jul 19th, 2002, 10:11 PM
Originally posted by selesadmirer
i agree with you selesrules......monica has gone through so much in her life and she doesn't deserve this.....i hope the organizers realize what a dumb mistake they made.......hopefully seles doesn't come back to this nasty tournament.

I shouldn't react to this ridiculous thread...but you guys are sooooo pathetic. Do you think Monica will complain??? so what does it matter if Monica is a lil lower on the seedingslist? She will still meet the best players at the end. Lindsay is the better player on hardcourt, even more finalist in last years edition..
Stop complaining, if Monica is the best, she'll win.

lmao@phone call...like they'll change the seedings if you call them :rolleyes:

Kart
Jul 19th, 2002, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by per4ever

so what does it matter if Monica is a lil lower on the seedingslist?


It matters that Monica goes down to #3 on the seeding list.

It means that she might face Venus in the semis.

If the seedings had followed the rankings then Lindsay and Venus could have ended in the same side of the draw. With them seeded #1 and #2, Monica is guaranteed to face one of them in the semis :(.

Makes a difference don't you think ?

per4ever
Jul 19th, 2002, 10:42 PM
I think fans complain more about that then Monica herself. Come on, we're not talking about amateurs here.

Lindsay has been injured for a long time...may be you can say the same about her, when she would have been ranked lower. Btw..you are talking about facing Lindsay and Venus..but Monica has to get there first.

selesrules
Jul 19th, 2002, 10:42 PM
per4ever, if the seedings do not matter like your saying and that the players will eventually have to beat the best in order to win, then why did they need to seed Lindsay at no.2 instead of no.3? The point is: They never did such favors when Monica or Mary were coming back from long injuries so that's why it's unfair.

Playa
Jul 19th, 2002, 10:51 PM
Lindsay "the best Hardcourter" ?
did you smoke or drink something

BigB0882
Jul 19th, 2002, 10:51 PM
I am very upset about it but I am trying to keep my cool. I just pray that Monica is put in the half with Lindsay. Lindsay is surely going to be a little rusty and I think Monica can beat her. I will be the most upset if Monica has to play Venus. I just look at is as a chance for Monica to get off to a banging start.

Kart
Jul 19th, 2002, 11:07 PM
Originally posted by per4ever
I think fans complain more about that then Monica herself. Come on, we're not talking about amateurs here.

Lindsay has been injured for a long time...may be you can say the same about her, when she would have been ranked lower. Btw..you are talking about facing Lindsay and Venus..but Monica has to get there first.

Fans reserve their right to complain, Monica is the one to lose out here.

And the point is that Lindsay has been injured for a long time whereas Seles has played well enough all year to get to no.4. I have no objection to Lindsay being seeded above Monica if you want to talk about her ranking before her injury - at that time she was no.1 so by that argument she should be seeded #1 instead of #2. That is the point, the seedings have been altered subjectively without any real fairness. You can't quote Lindsay as a better hardcourt player because Monica's season last summer was not that bad either.

BTW you are right that Monica has to get to the semis first - but Lindsay has to make the final at least for the seeding change to be justified.

villa
Jul 20th, 2002, 12:31 AM
Monica is in venus half of the draw and in justines quarter, while lindsay will play dokic in the quaters and i think clisjesters in the semi. If monica wasn't upset about the seedings before she should be know, while she will play two very tough opponents before the final, lindsay plays clisjters( injured) and an extreamly ordinanry top 10 playe in dokicr.

angele87
Jul 20th, 2002, 12:32 AM
Originally posted by selesadmirer
i agree with you selesrules......monica has gone through so much in her life and she doesn't deserve this.....i hope the organizers realize what a dumb mistake they made.......hopefully seles doesn't come back to this nasty tournament.

So does that mean that if it was another player who got an unfair ranking it would be ok cuz they haven't gone through the stuff that Monica has??

Kart
Jul 20th, 2002, 12:40 AM
I have seen the draw now :mad:.

Far from impressed :(.

Still, no more point complaining about it ... GO MONICA !!!!!!!!!!!!!

disposablehero
Jul 20th, 2002, 12:52 AM
Originally posted by Bradshaw#1
I don't really understand why Lindsay needs the injury protection ranking for this tournament. I could understand for the Open, but why here. This isn't like her ranking fell down to #300. Let's say she was ranked #60 and her ranking fell so far that she had to start playing satellites and challengers qualifying. Then I could understand. Do you really need to be "protected" if you are still in the top 10?

Exactly Bradshaw. Lindsay will be SEEDED no worse than 8th for every event leading up to the US Open regardless of what favours anyone does her. That's good enough.

evadafan
Jul 20th, 2002, 01:21 AM
Yeah, seeded two is bullshit. If they were going to screw with it she should have been either #1 or #3, # 2 is ridiculous.

Jakeev
Jul 20th, 2002, 01:22 AM
I think this thread is stupid to begin with. This is what injury ranking protection is far and if you don't know how it works then go read about it instead of pissing and moaning.

The funny thing is of all people, Monica probably does not give a damn and is smart enough to understand the situation.

Joseosu19
Jul 20th, 2002, 01:30 AM
Some of you claim that "Monica is going to win Stanford"....Regaurdless of her seeding, shes still going to have to beat some players to get the title...

Williams Rulez
Jul 20th, 2002, 02:01 AM
There is a thread around here that tells you the rules about seeding while using the special ranking... so it is fair because it is in the rules. Go read it.

selesfan
Jul 20th, 2002, 02:14 AM
I wish people would stop whining about it, I'm sure Monica isn't whining about it. I want her to beat the best to win the title.

kay
Jul 20th, 2002, 02:24 AM
So if Lindsay was seed #1 because of her ranking before she was injured, Monica would still be the #3 seed. You dont think Monica would be seeded #2 in front of Venus do you? So either way it goes with the protected ranking Monica would have been seeded#3 and she would have to play either Venus or Lindsay. The only way she gets the #2 seed, which I think she deserves, is if they ignore the injury protected ranking for Lindsay. In the end, you have to beat the best to be the best and Monica having an easy draw wont do her any favors in terms of getting ready for the Open.

selesrules
Jul 20th, 2002, 02:37 AM
Whatever. According to the rules, they should put Lindsay at #1 because of the protected ranking, yet they didn't. But it's "okay" to put her in front of Monica.

Richie77
Jul 20th, 2002, 02:58 AM
I don't think this is really anything more than an inconvenience for Monica. Yeah it sucks, but it's not as horrible as some are making it out to be. Remember, it's not like Monica hasn't ever beaten Venus (if they should face in the semis)...

Buitenzorg
Jul 20th, 2002, 03:01 AM
Hi Guys!

Do you think for being seeding player is important than to playing a great tennis?

Either Monica or Lindsay on #.2 Seed, it doesn't matter (Both of them are a great champions anyway, I'm sure they don't really care about this think....They are better focus to win this STANFORD 2002 Titles)

selesrules
Jul 20th, 2002, 03:03 AM
I'm not upset about things like who Monica is going to meet, I'm upset about the PRINCIPLE. They should treat all the players equally and objectively.

The rules say that Davenport was #1 when she left, so why do they decided to rank her behind Venus and in front of Monica? Is it just because they "FEEL" like it? And why does Mary Pierce or Monica never get any sort of special seedings when they got back from long injuries? I just think it's all fucked up. Again, it's not about the draw, it's about being fair to everyone and treating all the players the same. If Davenport has the right for a special seeding because of some rules, then either follow the rules and give her a #1 seed or don't. Just don't make judgements that Lindsay should be behind Venus even though she was ranked higher at the time, but let's not do the same to Monica and put Davenport in front of her.

Rising Sun
Jul 20th, 2002, 04:50 AM
Lindsay is a gold exempt player. Even though protected rankings don't have anything to do with seedings (only entries), gold exempt players have an opportunity to be seeded according to their protected rankings (if the tourney agrees).

This is what's happened this week. :wavey:

Anyway, if Monica was the one coming back from the injury, I'd doubt the Seles fans would be upset if she was seeded according to her protected ranking. :rolleyes: ;)

Benny
Jul 20th, 2002, 04:54 AM
I think it is completly fair that Lindsay is getting the#2 seeding. She is using her injury ranking to get it, which Monica did herself when she returned from injury!

As if Tamarine didn't deserve the top #16 seeding for Wimbledon, but she didn't get it.
IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME!

Senorita Conchita
Jul 20th, 2002, 05:29 AM
Originally posted by Playa
Lindsay "the best Hardcourter" ?
did you smoke or drink something

I can't speak for others, but I was smoking ITF and drinking Tennis Corner, and both of those girls said that Davenport leads the head to head with Seles on Hardcourts 7-2. Whatsmore, the two matches Seles won were in 1996-97. Sounds like Davenport is the better Hardcourter to me, and it really doesn't matter what you're seeded anyway because you still have to beat the other girls!

selesadmirer
Jul 20th, 2002, 05:33 AM
The bottom line is seles should be seeded according to her ranking,and its not fair otherwise.

R. DIS
Jul 20th, 2002, 06:03 AM
Monica has two really though matches before the final?????? Do people really expect Monica to get past Justine??

DutchieGirl
Jul 20th, 2002, 06:32 AM
Protected injury rank comes into place after a player has been off the tour for so many weeks/months. AFter this time period, whatever their ranking is THEN is their "protected" ranking. So Lindsay must have been at #2 when she reached the time off that would give her a protected ranking. Mary has a protected ranking too, but I think hers was lower because she was inuured just before FO wasn't she, so she dropped alot of points from the FO BEFORE she'd been off long enough for her injury to get her a protected ranking. It's totally fair. It's the same rule for all players.