View Full Version : Lindsay Davenport is the number two seed at Bank of the West

Jul 19th, 2002, 06:27 AM
Stanford seeds

1. V. Williams
2. Davenport
3. Seles
4. Clijsters
5. Dokic
6. Henin


2 Venus Williams
4 Monica Seles
5 Kim Clijsters
6 Jelena Dokic
7 Justine Henin
9 Lindsay Davenport

I'm not sure I get this. It's not her injury protected ranking. That would be #1, and she's seeded #2. THe player who really suffers is Dokic, who is now guaranteed a pretty tough QF match.

Jul 19th, 2002, 07:02 AM
As far as I am concerned, the one who got screwed is Monica. 2nd seed is a sweet position, and she earned it.

Jul 19th, 2002, 07:09 AM
not fair protected ranking doesnt necessarily means getting the #2 seed! she should be seeded 6th instead based on the current ranking

Jul 19th, 2002, 07:10 AM
maybe they didn't want her to give a protected ranking of 1 so they gave her three.
never sure how the wta works!

Jul 19th, 2002, 09:13 AM
what's Lindsay's seed at Stanford?

Jul 19th, 2002, 09:21 AM
Miss Jennifer Capriati is entered at San Diego.

She's not on your list, sweetie!


Jul 19th, 2002, 09:25 AM
I think it is very fair! It's a good compromise: Lindsay was #1 before she got injured, and therefore none of the players getting bumped down are getting screwed, and although Lindsay was #1 she wasn't really an authentic #1 with no major finals, so she isn't getting screwed either.

Jul 19th, 2002, 09:30 AM
Frankly, I think its stupid some of you are so bent out of shape how Lindsay is seeded. This is what injury protection is for folks.

Now somebody said Jennifer is in the event. If that is true, then the seeds posted here are not correct anyway.

Jul 19th, 2002, 09:48 AM
Lindsay has been seeded #2 for Stanford , not San Diego, she may well be seeded #2 there too, but nothing has been said about that as yet.

Jul 19th, 2002, 10:03 AM
Too much of posting is getting to some people :)

Jul 19th, 2002, 11:02 AM
Thsi is stupid she hasn't played since November so how can people know shes good enough to be seeded 2!:rolleyes:

That was Monicas!:mad:

Jul 19th, 2002, 11:23 AM
Originally posted by disposablehero
As far as I am concerned, the one who got screwed is Monica. 2nd seed is a sweet position, and she earned it.
I agree with you there, this isn't fair... I like Lindsay a lot! No doubt about that! But this isn't fair for Monica!

Jul 19th, 2002, 11:59 AM
This is unfair on Monica, what's the point of playing for the ranking if you don't get the seeding ?

I haven't seen the draw yet but if Seles ends up in Venus' half and Linday doesn't reach the final I think it will be very off :mad:.

Jul 19th, 2002, 12:02 PM
I don't see what's unfair... Lindsay is one of the best hardcourtplayers in the world, may be THE best.

Jul 19th, 2002, 12:55 PM
I don't think it is a problem, Lindsay is a great hard court player. I think they won't seed her above Jen in San Diego though.

Jul 19th, 2002, 01:01 PM
Sorry about the San Diego vs Stanford mistake. I'm a bit flu-ish, and Claifornia is SO far away. :) I just thought it was weird to seed her #2. If you're gonna do that, why no go all out and seed her #1?

Jul 19th, 2002, 01:14 PM
Only 6 seeds?

Bright Red
Jul 19th, 2002, 01:18 PM
I was under the impression that Bank of the West Classic is held at Stanford, and that the Acura event is held at San Diego (or rather, north of SD).

Jul 19th, 2002, 01:59 PM
It´s the same probably it was with Seles years ago when she was to be unseeded returning from injury.

They seeded her 2nd behind the top seeds, no matter who is the top seed or who is the seeded player seeded behind her then.

For obvious ( hardcourt specialist ) reasons, Lindsay is most definetly a top5 hardcourt player and if they seed her in front of Monica of behind, it´s well deserved to mention her in a row with the Williams, Monica and Jenn as the best 5 hardcourt ladies in the world.

I´ve no problem seed her like that at all and she´s to be seeded 3rd behind Jenn and in front of Monica in San Diego and then we won´t have a problem either as all 4 could just meet for the semis and there is no big deal about that.

Seeding her in front of or behind Monica is a question but as they would probably meet in the semis either way, why to discuss that ;)

Peter M
Jul 19th, 2002, 02:37 PM
Monica was never given a special seed in return from an injury; only from the stabbing. And for that, she had to have special accomodations made through the then WTA president, Navratilova. This is wholly different. Seles has been in Davenport's current position, and was not given the benefits of a higher seed.

If you want to compare, compare the two similar situations of coming back from injury, not the stabbing.

Williams Rulez
Jul 19th, 2002, 02:44 PM
I don't know if this is fair, but I think this is the right order of seeds had Davenport not been injured.

Jul 19th, 2002, 02:45 PM
Yeah, I remember in 2000 when Monica came back from a stress fracture at Scottsdale. She was ranked like 11 or something, so they left her unseeded! Before she left the top 10, she was ranked number 4.

Jul 19th, 2002, 03:26 PM
I think it might have to do with the players' rankings when they got injured.
Monica was ranked No.1 before she got "injured" (I think the WTA tour regarded the stabbing as an "injury"), and so she was the co-No.1 with Steffi Graf in 95 and most of 1996.
Davenport was also ranked No.1 before she had the surgery, so she has a protected ranking of No.2 (am I right? Or No.3?)
Steffi Graf was ranked No.2 before she left the tour after the French Open in 1997, and that was why she had a protected ranking of No.4 (she was seeded No.4 at Wimbledon 98) for her first 5-10 tournaments, then her protected ranking "dropped" to No.8 (she was seeded No.8 for the US Open) for her next 3-5 tournaments.
But after the US Open 98, Graf no longer had the protected ranking. That's why she won in Leipzig and Philadelphia UNSEEDED after the US Open.
So, I can't say it is unfair to Monica to be seeded No.3 next week.
Probably the injury/protected seeding only apply to players ranked in the top 3 (by the time they left the tour for surgery), i.e. that is why Conchita and Mary could not get the protected seeding, since they dropped outside the top 20 by the time they had the surgery.
So, Hingis was ranked No.4-6 when she had the surgery, so, should she deserve a protected ranking/seeding???
I hope my "analysis" is accurate.

Jul 19th, 2002, 04:23 PM
I don't get the protected ranking at all. does anyone know what the actual RULES are concerning this?

its a tough call, I do think that Seles has worked awfully hard to get where she is and a #2 ranking would have been nice. but Lindsay was #1 when she got hurt, and the hardcourts are really her best surface...

If monica is to win this tournament, she's probably going to have to beat Venus and/or Lindsay. That is no different now that she is #3 vs. #2.

Jul 19th, 2002, 07:29 PM
Originally posted by RAA
I don't get the protected ranking at all. does anyone know what the actual RULES are concerning this?

its a tough call, I do think that Seles has worked awfully hard to get where she is and a #2 ranking would have been nice. but Lindsay was #1 when she got hurt, and the hardcourts are really her best surface...

If monica is to win this tournament, she's probably going to have to beat Venus and/or Lindsay. That is no different now that she is #3 vs. #2.

Assuming that Venus and Lindsay are the two biggest threats and nobody else will beat them, the difference is:

Monica as 2 seed: Monica has to beat one of them, 50% chance she also has to beat the other

Monica as 3, Lindsay as 2: Monica has to beat both of them

Jul 19th, 2002, 07:37 PM
Right, that's why I said she "PROBABLY has to beat both of them"

i see the difference in the two scenarios, but I guess I just think you shouldn't be that worried about her having to beat both players. If in fact you think that Monica is a better player than Linsday, then she should be able to beat her, whether she plays her in the final or semifinal.

Jul 19th, 2002, 07:49 PM
Well I sure as hell think Monica is a better player than Barbara Schett(8), Sandrine Testud(7), Anna Kournikova(6), Conchita Martinez(5), or Julie Halard-Decugis(4). But that didn't exactly get her seeded at Scottsdale, now did it?

Yes, she beat Schett in the round of 16 and lost to Davenport in the 1/4's, but she could just as easily have met Davenport in the round of 16.

Jul 19th, 2002, 07:52 PM
The WTA should decide on the seed, not each individual tournament or her seed corresponds exactly with her ranking

For instance Davenport would be co-seeded with the #1 in every tournament, so in Stanford and San Diego she would be top seed and in Los Angeles be seed #2 behind Serena.

I just don't get seeding her #2 behind Venus in Stanford, if they were going to do it and properly she should have been top seed.

Jul 19th, 2002, 07:55 PM
Go Lindsay

:) :) ;) :) :)

Jul 19th, 2002, 08:17 PM
I don't think that was fair to Monica at all, they should of seeded Lindsay #3 though. She will have no problem beating Monica, but fair is fair.

Jul 19th, 2002, 08:32 PM
Harloo--You're last words make no sense. Fair is fair? When you said and everyone agrees this ISN'T fair. Please explain...A rusty Lindsay won't stand a chance against a seasoned Monica...

Jul 19th, 2002, 08:36 PM
I'd rather Lindsay be seeded higher. I don't want Monica to play her in the quarters.

Jul 19th, 2002, 08:38 PM
I have a question about the quality points. Let's say, if Monica beat Lindsay, will she get the quality points of beating 8th ranked lindsay or #1, 2 ranked lindsay? Anyone knows?

Jul 19th, 2002, 08:51 PM
She will get the quality points of #8 ranking if she beats Lindsay.

Jul 19th, 2002, 08:56 PM
Then it totally sucks. If the wta give someone a special ranking, they should give them the same quality points accordingly. Otherwise it just doesn't make sense.

Jul 19th, 2002, 10:01 PM
This is very very unfair to Monica. I am really surprised that some of "seles" fans are not more upset about this. Monica was not given these extraordinary privileges when coming back from injuries and the argument that Davenport was number one when she got injured is actually weak since even Lindsay did not feel that she deserved. She racked up a bunch of points in the fall in tournaments where the Williams did not play, Hingis was either injured or withdrew and Capriati did not play or lost early (don't remember exactly). In other words, when Seles had come back after the stabbing she was coming back after having been A SOLID NUMBER ONE IN THE WORLD whereas is coming back after a normal injury after being just barely number #1 for like two weeks. Monica did not get preferential treatment after her foot injuries. :fiery:

Jul 19th, 2002, 10:25 PM
God bless AMONICA

Jul 19th, 2002, 11:04 PM
Joy, if Monica plays Venus in the Semis and Lindsay is on the other side of draw, there may be "first try" here.

Williams Rulez
Jul 20th, 2002, 02:44 AM
Well, at least they could have rigged the draw and put Monica on the same half as Lindsay... that will tell us if their decision was right... ;)