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Resident Evil
Oct 17th, 2007, 06:51 PM
If Serena wins the Olympic gold in singles next year, she'll have "everything" for singles: all the slams, YEC, and Olympics.

Is this a goal for Serena?

Lulu.
Oct 17th, 2007, 06:54 PM
I believe it is. She knows that if she wins the Olympics she'll have it all.

karimcartoon
Oct 17th, 2007, 07:09 PM
wow ... is there any player who has done this before her? all slams YEC and Olympic gold medal?

Resident Evil
Oct 17th, 2007, 07:12 PM
wow ... is there any player who has done this before her? all slams YEC and Olympic gold medal?

Steffi? Although of course we are not even mentioning doubles.

karimcartoon
Oct 17th, 2007, 07:15 PM
Steffi? Although of course we are not even mentioning doubles.

that was obvious. thanks.

micah63
Oct 17th, 2007, 07:57 PM
If Serena wins the Olympic gold in singles next year, she'll have "everything" for singles: all the slams, YEC, and Olympics.

Is this a goal for Serena?



You think she might deny Henin her Golden Grand Slam??:eek:

Resident Evil
Oct 17th, 2007, 08:09 PM
You think she might deny Henin her Golden Grand Slam??:eek:

I'm not trying to be Notradamus but I really don't think Justine will win all 4 majors next year, especially not Wimbledon. Serena is not Justine's biggest threat at the slams. Up and coming players like Agnes Szavay, Ana Ivanovic, Nicole Vaidisova, the Radwanska sisters, Jelena Jankovic etc. all can take down Justine at Wimbledon.

Oh, and let's not forget that Justine will be 26 years old when Wimbledon 2008 begins.

tennisIlove09
Oct 17th, 2007, 08:12 PM
She has made it clear since Venus won Gold in 2000 that she wants an Olympic gold in singles.

Olórin
Oct 17th, 2007, 08:14 PM
You think she might deny Henin her Golden Grand Slam??:eek:


The arrogance :rolls:

The only person who stands a chance in hell of winning all the Grand Slams and the Olympic Gold in 2008 is Serena Williams.

But even then it's a far off bet and more than likely won't happen.

It's too early to predict who will win the Olympic Gold or even who will be there.

micah63
Oct 17th, 2007, 08:18 PM
I'm not trying to be Notradamus but I really don't think Justine will win all 4 majors next year, especially not Wimbledon. Serena is not Justine's biggest threat at the slams. Up and coming players like Agnes Szavay, Ana Ivanovic, Nicole Vaidisova, the Radwanska sisters, Jelena Jankovic etc. all can take down Justine at Wimbledon.

Oh, and let's not forget that Justine will be 26 years old when Wimbledon 2008 begins.


Navratilova was 26 years old when Wimbledon 1983 began ....

Resident Evil
Oct 17th, 2007, 08:18 PM
The arrogance :rolls:

The only person who stands a chance in hell of winning all the Grand Slams and the Olympic Gold in 2008 is Serena Williams.

But even then it's a far off bet and more than likely won't happen.

It's too early to predict who will win the Olympic Gold or even who will be there.

No, I don't think Serena or any player can win all 4 slams and Olympic gold in 2008. Serena just needs the Olympic gold to have everything.

Bottom line: don't expect too much or you'll come down hard.

micah63
Oct 17th, 2007, 08:22 PM
The arrogance :rolls:

The only person who stands a chance in hell of winning all the Grand Slams and the Olympic Gold in 2008 is Serena Williams.


Justine has won 7 slams since FO 2003. Serena only 3.
Justine has won the last 3 matches against Serena.
Justine is fitter than Serena.

tennisIlove09
Oct 17th, 2007, 08:23 PM
The arrogance :rolls:

The only person who stands a chance in hell of winning all the Grand Slams and the Olympic Gold in 2008 is Serena Williams.

But even then it's a far off bet and more than likely won't happen.

It's too early to predict who will win the Olympic Gold or even who will be there.

Based on what? Her AO win and then 3 QF appearances? Please. Henin really is the only won who stands a chance. She's proven herself on every court except 1 (Wimbledon), and she has been extremely close twice. So even though I am a Williams fan, it is pretty clear that Henin really is the only one that would be the logical sense for a Golden Slam next year.

Resident Evil
Oct 17th, 2007, 08:25 PM
Based on what? Her AO win and then 3 QF appearances? Please. Henin really is the only won who stands a chance. She's proven herself on every court except 1 (Wimbledon), and she has been extremely close twice. So even though I am a Williams fan, it is pretty clear that Henin really is the only one that would be the logical sense for a Golden Slam next year.

Justine will be 26 years old by June 1 next year. I just don't see how she can overcome the age hurdle. There are gonna be a LOT of young tough players next year.

Bartosh
Oct 17th, 2007, 08:30 PM
Henin is supposed to win Wimbledon? Look at her psyche on London - she lose to Bartoli or Danilidou :rolleyes: I think that nobody of this generation will win Golden Grand Slam...

But good luck Renia! Win Olimpic!:bounce:

homogenius
Oct 17th, 2007, 08:34 PM
The arrogance :rolls:

The only person who stands a chance in hell of winning all the Grand Slams and the Olympic Gold in 2008 is Serena Williams.

But even then it's a far off bet and more than likely won't happen.

It's too early to predict who will win the Olympic Gold or even who will be there.

The best example of this brilliant theory is Roland Garros, where Serena with her supreme footwork will be the clear favorite .:o

BuTtErFrEnA
Oct 17th, 2007, 10:21 PM
of course....who doesn't....it's the one thing she doesn't have....so let's see who achieves the career golden slam first....if jh doesn't win wimby then serena still has a shot at it first in beijing!!! come on serena!! :)

Olórin
Oct 17th, 2007, 10:50 PM
The best example of this brilliant theory is Roland Garros, where Serena with her supreme footwork will be the clear favorite .:o

Serena's footwork will hinder her everywhere. Actually at RG probably least of all the slams as she will have more time to get into position on clay. Her RG campaign was a lot more convincing than her US Open campaign this year. I don't know why people try to make out Serena can't play on clay. If she has an injury free clay season and get's a lot of match practice on clay, (she needs at least 10 matches going in) she could well be the favourite.

P.s What "theory" are you referring to? Could you please be a bit clearer on that?

Tennisation
Oct 17th, 2007, 11:05 PM
Olympic gold? no way
Golden arches at Mcdonalds? absolutely

Vamos.
Oct 17th, 2007, 11:10 PM
Right now Justine and Venus are the only two players who have shown any inkling of capability of winning a Slam. :shrug:

Obviously next year there will be more contenders, I hope :tape:, but right now they are the only two. And you can pretty much pencil Henin in for a Semi-Final. Then she is very, very, very, very, very tough to beat. The Golden Slam is actually on for Henin, seriously. She is so tough to beat right now.

If she wins in Australia she might just do it. It will take Serena or Venus to stop her. And for me they only have two chances:

Australia and Wimbledon.

French is as good as Henin's. Olympics; I favour Henin.

And if she gets that far to the USO I don't see her losing.

2008 will be very interesting in terms of who can stop Justine. Is Serena really going to have a go? Or is she to scared of failing? I know, for sure, Venus will be going for it.

taddict
Oct 17th, 2007, 11:19 PM
The arrogance :rolls:

The only person who stands a chance in hell of winning all the Grand Slams and the Olympic Gold in 2008 is Serena Williams.

But even then it's a far off bet and more than likely won't happen.

It's too early to predict who will win the Olympic Gold or even who will be there.

and your post isn't arrogant? :scratch: :weirdo:

So in one paragraph you put that Serena's the only person who stands a chance and then in the next you put that it most likely won't happen? :weirdo:

You make a positive and then kill it with a negative which leaves zero :spit: So in the end you say nothing. :lol:

taddict
Oct 17th, 2007, 11:20 PM
The best example of this brilliant theory is Roland Garros, where Serena with her supreme footwork will be the clear favorite .:o

:spit:

Olórin
Oct 17th, 2007, 11:23 PM
Right now Justine and Venus are the only two players who have shown any inkling of capability of winning a Slam. :shrug:

Obviously next year there will be more contenders, I hope :tape:, but right now they are the only two. And you can pretty much pencil Henin in for a Semi-Final. Then she is very, very, very, very, very tough to beat. The Golden Slam is actually on for Henin, seriously. She is so tough to beat right now.

If she wins in Australia she might just do it. It will take Serena or Venus to stop her. And for me they only have two chances:

Australia and Wimbledon.

French is as good as Henin's. Olympics; I favour Henin.

And if she gets that far to the USO I don't see her losing.

2008 will be very interesting in terms of who can stop Justine. Is Serena really going to have a go? Or is she to scared of failing? I know, for sure, Venus will be going for it.


I'm just going to be argumentative here a little, and disagree. :p First of all I agree that Justine is pretty much pencilled in the semis for all the slams. However if you go beyond the stats, in 2006/7 she is far from invincible in the semis, Kim had plenty of chances to beat her at Wimbledon, Maria made it close at the Australian, she should've lost to Jelena at the US.... and of course has a 3-3 record in finals. She's has had a great run of what 3 tournaments now, and will probably win her fourth in a row at Zurich. This is the best year of her career, however she has NOT dominated for the entire year, and it would be a HUGE leap for her to win all Grand Slams in 2008. Heck, it will be a tough enough job trying to defend her winnings from this year. She has not shown in my opinion she is physically or mentally capable of dominating tennis like Federer. Her form is great at the moment, but it's not going to last forever. 3/4 tournaments is a great run, but it's very different to playing at your best for the entire year. With the way things are at the moment I don't think it would be likely for any player to do the Golden Grand Slam.

I really do think people are jumping on the bandwagon a lot with Justine. 2 swallows do not make a summer.

homogenius
Oct 17th, 2007, 11:23 PM
Serena's footwork will hinder her everywhere. Actually at RG probably least of all the slams as she will have more time to get into position on clay. Her RG campaign was a lot more convincing than her US Open campaign this year. I don't know why people try to make out Serena can't play on clay. If she has an injury free clay season and get's a lot of match practice on clay, (she needs at least 10 matches going in) she could well be the favourite.

P.s What "theory" are you referring to? Could you please be a bit clearer on that?

Serena can play on clay but the surface doesn't suit her game because she has less free points because her serve, return, groundstrokes are slower and players are able to defend much more than on thers surfaces.Her lack of movement and endurance lately doesn't favor her as well, and I fail to see how her RG this year was "much more convinving than her USO".Even with an injury free season on clay and a good preparation she can't be the favourite for FO when you have Henin in the draw (4 times champ, winner of the last 3).

Olórin
Oct 17th, 2007, 11:25 PM
and your post isn't arrogant? :scratch: :weirdo:

So in one paragraph you put that Serena's the only person who stands a chance and then in the next you put that it most likely won't happen? :weirdo:

You make a positive and then kill it with a negative which leaves zero :spit: So in the end you say nothing. :lol:

It's not difficult to understand if you have the capacity to reason. Serena is the only person with enough measurable potential to do it imo, but that said she probably won't. What's hard to understand about that. :shrug: It's not rocket science :lol:

Olórin
Oct 17th, 2007, 11:28 PM
Serena can play on clay but the surface doesn't suit her game because she has less free points because her serve, return, groundstrokes are slower and players are able to defend much more than on thers surfaces.Her lack of movement and endurance lately doesn't favor her as well, and I fail to see how her RG this year was "much more convinving than her USO".Even with an injury free season on clay and a good preparation she can't be the favourite for FO when you have Henin in the draw (4 times champ, winner of the last 3).

Sorry I meant a favourite. Her RG campaign was WAY more convincing (jmo), apart from the match she lost in. Everyone remembers that match and forgets that she actually played really well in the last two sets against Pironkova (ok not a great test - but still) against Safina and against Kraijek. I thought she could've won the French, but at the US Open I was never convinced.

Btw I realise she doesn't stand a cat in hell's chance at the moment. My comment about her winning the French was purely hypothetical and based on the premise she will improve. Especially over the off season, I hope to see some big changed in her game by the time of the Australian.

homogenius
Oct 17th, 2007, 11:29 PM
Serena's footwork will hinder her everywhere. Actually at RG probably least of all the slams as she will have more time to get into position on clay. Her RG campaign was a lot more convincing than her US Open campaign this year. I don't know why people try to make out Serena can't play on clay. If she has an injury free clay season and get's a lot of match practice on clay, (she needs at least 10 matches going in) she could well be the favourite.

P.s What "theory" are you referring to? Could you please be a bit clearer on that?

Your theory was that Serena would be the only one to stand a chance of winning the golden slam.Sure she could do it, but based on results the past few years, Henin domination this year, and her form since Miami she doesn't stand a chance.Henin is the one with the best chance (Venus could do well but FO would be a real problem for her).

taddict
Oct 17th, 2007, 11:31 PM
It's not difficult to understand if you have the capacity to reason. Serena is the only person with enough measurable potential to do it imo, but that said she probably won't. What's hard to understand about that. :shrug: It's not rocket science :lol:

How is Serena the only one with measurable potential to do it when Justine has won the last 3 RG's and has taken Serena out in the last 3 Q/F's of a GS? Unless Justine has a terrible year next year (which I hope not - and by the sounds of her camp they say that she should be even better next year because she wants to win more tournaments than she did this year), how is Serena going to get past her at RG? Unless Serena loses about 1 and a half stone and gets fit like she was in 2002, then I can't see it happening. Serena is getting older and can hardly move now, surely she won't want to dedicate the next 9 months to getting fit and be like she was in 2002. She'll never do that will she?

homogenius
Oct 17th, 2007, 11:34 PM
Sorry I meant a favourite. Her RG campaign was WAY more convincing (jmo), apart from the match she lost in. Everyone remembers that match and forgets that she actually played really well in the last two sets against Pironkova (ok not a great test - but still) against Safina and against Kraijek. I thought she could've won the French, but at the US Open I was never convinced.

Btw I realise she doesn't stand a cat in hell's chance at the moment. My comment about her winning the French was purely hypothetical and based on the premise she will improve. Especially over the off season, I hope to see some big changed in her game by the time of the Australian.

Well for me she wasn't convincing in both (struggle against Pironkova, barely won the 2nd set against Sequera 7-6) but at least at USO she beat Zvonareva who was not that bad (coming back) and Bartoli, and her match against Henin was better than at the FO.
I hope she can change some things (both physically and mentally) before the start of 2008 because even if Henin is vulnerable like all the others players, we need real competition against her at slams.If not, the year will be quite boring.All in all, I don't think than Henin, Serena or an other will win the goolden slam next year (too demmanding physically) but we'll see.

Olórin
Oct 17th, 2007, 11:35 PM
Your theory was that Serena would be the only one to stand a chance of winning the golden slam.Sure she could do it, but based on results the past few years, Henin domination this year, and her form since Miami she doesn't stand a chance.Henin is the one with the best chance (Venus could do well but FO would be a real problem for her).

Actually I regard what I'm saying is more of a fact than a theory. Look, Justine does have a chance to do it, but to win all four, I'm sorry but she just hasn't shown that she has as much potential to do it as Serena. Argue with that if you will.

Justine had her chances in 2006, look what happened, she had her chances to go undefeated at slams this year look what happened. And it's all very well saying Serena's form has been poor since Miami, she hasn't won multiple slams in a year since 2003 etc. However, she has shown flashes of brilliance since then, and is on the way up, so I don't think it's unreasonable to hypothesise she can take it up another notch next year. It is still in tennis terms, a while away. I also don't think it's unreasonable to hypothesise she could do it next year either because we quite simply KNOW Serena has it in her to dominate like that and not lose a Grand Slam match. She went for 18 months at one point without losing in a Grand Slam. That kind of potential is always there to be tapped into.

taddict
Oct 17th, 2007, 11:39 PM
Actually I regard what I'm saying is more of a fact than a theory. Look, Justine does have a chance to do it, but to win all four, I'm sorry but she just hasn't shown that she has as much potential to do it as Serena. Argue with that if you will.

Justine had her chances in 2006, look what happened, she had her chances to go undefeated at slams this year look what happened. And it's all very well saying Serena's form has been poor since Miami, she hasn't won multiple slams in a year since 2003 etc. However, she has shown flashes of brilliance since then, and is on the way up, so I don't think it's unreasonable to hypothesise she can take it up another notch next year. It is still in tennis terms, a while away. I also don't think it's unreasonable to hypothesise she could do it next year either because we quite simply KNOW Serena has it in her to dominate like that and not lose a Grand Slam match. She went for 18 months at one point without losing in a Grand Slam. That kind of potential is always there to be tapped into.

:weirdo: :spit:

Yup, she sure is on her way up. When was the last time she won a tournament? March.

How many has she played since then? :tape:

What happened at her last 2 tournaments? :tape:

Yup, she's on her way up! :rolleyes:

Olórin
Oct 17th, 2007, 11:43 PM
How is Serena the only one with measurable potential to do it when Justine has won the last 3 RG's and has taken Serena out in the last 3 Q/F's of a GS? Unless Justine has a terrible year next year (which I hope not - and by the sounds of her camp they say that she should be even better next year because she wants to win more tournaments than she did this year), how is Serena going to get past her at RG? Unless Serena loses about 1 and a half stone and gets fit like she was in 2002, then I can't see it happening. Serena is getting older and can hardly move now, surely she won't want to dedicate the next 9 months to getting fit and be like she was in 2002.

Ahh, changed the goal posts have we? ;)

Ok, ammendation (see above post), Serena has a lot more measurable potential to do it than anyone else. She isn't the only one with potential, that would be arrogant to say that, but I'm not.

Also how precisely is Justine going to improve enough over the off season and turn herself into Steffi Graf? She is already maxing out her potential imo. She's worked literally for years to get like this. She's fixed all her problems and is playing nearly flawlessly. If she proves me wrong and wins the Golden Slam, then I'll bow down to her. But somehow I don't think I'll have to do that. One thing I will say though, the big difference between Justine and everyone else at the moment is that she's the most hungry. Back in 2002 Serena was the most hungry. How next year goes will depend a lot on how much people want it. Tennis is a game about heart and guts, as much as anything.

Like I said, I really wouldn't put any money on this happening though.

Olórin
Oct 17th, 2007, 11:45 PM
:weirdo: :spit:

Yup, she sure is on her way up. When was the last time she won a tournament? March.

How many has she played since then? :tape:

What happened at her last 2 tournaments? :tape:

Yup, she's on her way up! :rolleyes:

Your logic is nothing short of pitiful. And you use this: :weirdo: way too much. Do you think it adds some cogence and gravitas to your posts?

By the stats, Serena has just got to her first Final since March, she just beat a top 5 player for the first time since march = on the way up. Not hard to get.

:wavey:

taddict
Oct 17th, 2007, 11:47 PM
Ahh, changed the goal posts have we? ;)


No. Why? Where have I changed the goal posts?

I still think you are delusional and :weirdo: but then you are no different on other boards are you? At least you are consistent :haha:

homogenius
Oct 17th, 2007, 11:50 PM
Actually I regard what I'm saying is more of a fact than a theory. Look, Justine does have a chance to do it, but to win all four, I'm sorry but she just hasn't shown that she has as much potential to do it as Serena. Argue with that if you will.

Justine had her chances in 2006, look what happened, she had her chances to go undefeated at slams this year look what happened. And it's all very well saying Serena's form has been poor since Miami, she hasn't won multiple slams in a year since 2003 etc. However, she has shown flashes of brilliance since then, and is on the way up, so I don't think it's unreasonable to hypothesise she can take it up another notch next year. It is still in tennis terms, a while away. I also don't think it's unreasonable to hypothesise she could do it next year either because we quite simply KNOW Serena has it in her to dominate like that and not lose a Grand Slam match. She went for 18 months at one point without losing in a Grand Slam. That kind of potential is always there to be tapped into.

The potential is one thing but the one with the results since 2003 is Justine.Except for RG, a win isn't guaranted for her but she has been much more consistent than Serena at slams, even in the one she never won (2 finals and some semis the past few years).Since 2003, Serena had only 3 finals in slams (2 won at Ao and the other lost at Wimbledon).So even if she can regain her mental force and some confience and fire, I don't think she has what it takes physically now to be performant from AO to USO all year long.She might surprise us so will see what happen.

Olórin
Oct 17th, 2007, 11:52 PM
No. Why? Where have I changed the goal posts?

I still think you are delusional and :weirdo: but then you are no different on other boards are you? At least you are consistent :haha:

Oh it's you? Well you came off as mildy unobnoxious for a few posts, so you've improved a little :lol:

Olórin
Oct 17th, 2007, 11:55 PM
The potential is one thing but the one with the results since 2003 is Justine.Except for RG, a win isn't guaranted for her but she has been much more consistent than Serena at slams, even in the one she never won (2 finals and some semis the past few years).Since 2003, Serena had only 3 finals in slams (2 won at Ao and the other lost at Wimbledon).So even if she can regain her mental force and some confience and fire, I don't think she has what it takes physically now to be performant from AO to USO all year long.She might surprise us so will see what happen.

Well that's a fair post, and I don't disagree with it, but I hope you can see where I was coming from too. :)

homogenius
Oct 18th, 2007, 12:03 AM
Well that's a fair post, and I don't disagree with it, but I hope you can see where I was coming from too. :)

Yes I understand and even if I can't call myself a fan of her I would love to see Serena playing according to her potential because she's beautiful to watch (and someone has to stop Henin, she's wining too much these days :devil:)

Jenin fan
Oct 18th, 2007, 02:52 AM
I'm just going to be argumentative here a little, and disagree. :p First of all I agree that Justine is pretty much pencilled in the semis for all the slams. However if you go beyond the stats, in 2006/7 she is far from invincible in the semis, Kim had plenty of chances to beat her at Wimbledon, Maria made it close at the Australian, she should've lost to Jelena at the US.... and of course has a 3-3 record in finals. She's has had a great run of what 3 tournaments now, and will probably win her fourth in a row at Zurich. This is the best year of her career, however she has NOT dominated for the entire year, and it would be a HUGE leap for her to win all Grand Slams in 2008. Heck, it will be a tough enough job trying to defend her winnings from this year. She has not shown in my opinion she is physically or mentally capable of dominating tennis like Federer. Her form is great at the moment, but it's not going to last forever. 3/4 tournaments is a great run, but it's very different to playing at your best for the entire year. With the way things are at the moment I don't think it would be likely for any player to do the Golden Grand Slam.

I really do think people are jumping on the bandwagon a lot with Justine. 2 swallows do not make a summer.


I see what you are saying, and I honestly do not believe that anyone will win the golden slam next year. However, if anyone has to be a favorite based on current form, it has to be Justine, not Serena. I think I would even put Venus ahead of Serena next on the list as well.

Ceri
Oct 18th, 2007, 02:57 AM
I'm not trying to be Notradamus but I really don't think Justine will win all 4 majors next year, especially not Wimbledon. Serena is not Justine's biggest threat at the slams. Up and coming players like Agnes Szavay, Ana Ivanovic, Nicole Vaidisova, the Radwanska sisters, Jelena Jankovic etc. all can take down Justine at Wimbledon.

Oh, and let's not forget that Justine will be 26 years old when Wimbledon 2008 begins.
and counting, eh? ;) age is just a number. Mauresmo won it at a later date didn't she? Not that i think for a second justine will win them all next year. Wimbledon and the french'll be fine thanks.

Aaron.
Oct 18th, 2007, 02:58 AM
Its like you see the same posters over and over debating in a Serena thread

shocking

*cough taddict*

Ceri
Oct 18th, 2007, 02:58 AM
But, yeah, back on topic: yes. obviously. she has a great chance too.

Aaron.
Oct 18th, 2007, 03:04 AM
Serena can play on clay but the surface doesn't suit her game because she has less free points because her serve, return, groundstrokes are slower and players are able to defend much more than on thers surfaces.Her lack of movement and endurance lately doesn't favor her as well, and I fail to see how her RG this year was "much more convinving than her USO".Even with an injury free season on clay and a good preparation she can't be the favourite for FO when you have Henin in the draw (4 times champ, winner of the last 3). Clay is Serena's worst surface but her Fight and Will helps her through matches.

If she wasnt in Justine's Draw I would have betted lots of money on her to make the Semis.

ZeroSOFInfinity
Oct 18th, 2007, 03:04 AM
Oh, and let's not forget that Justine will be 26 years old when Wimbledon 2008 begins.

Guess how old Amelie Mauresmo was when she won Wimbledon 2006? :tape: