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Meghanns Journey
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:46 PM
Maybe I'm just too new here and I missed them but I never see topics trashing Venus. There's lots of anti-Serena topics though. Not that people have to do the same to Venus but I was just wondering if posters are reluctant because Venus is the more respected one of the sisters and they worry about being judged. If that's the case then I give Venus a lot of credit because she really has the upper hand among tennis fans. It's really a great position to be in and says a lot about your character that you can actually prevent people from trashing you by just being an honorable person. :)

gaggleguy
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:41 PM
if Venus does something to deserve getting trashed, she will get trashed. She just got trashed recently for playing those bush league events in Asia

P.S. I cant stand Megghann Shaughnessy, she is such a loser for being involved with that abusive fuck de Mora

karimcartoon
Oct 16th, 2007, 11:08 PM
why do you want to trash players?

winone23
Oct 16th, 2007, 11:12 PM
Maybe I'm just too new here and I missed them but I never see topics trashing Venus. There's lots of anti-Serena topics though. Not that people have to do the same to Venus but I was just wondering if posters are reluctant because Venus is the more respected one of the sisters and they worry about being judged. If that's the case then I give Venus a lot of credit because she really has the upper hand among tennis fans. It's really a great position to be in and says a lot about your character that you can actually prevent people from trashing you by just being an honorable person. :)


You must definitely be new there Venus has been trashed on this board time and time again.

Meghanns Journey
Oct 16th, 2007, 11:16 PM
if Venus does something to deserve getting trashed, she will get trashed. She just got trashed recently for playing those bush league events in Asia

P.S. I cant stand Megghann Shaughnessy, she is such a loser for being involved with that abusive fuck de Mora

I saw those threads about Venus playing Asia. I thought they were pretty tame. :shrug: On this board Venus doesn't give the posters anything to make them bloodthirsty like Serena does, which is why I asked if people were reluctant to trash Venus.

I agree about Meghann and what's-his-face but a lot of people are attracted to people who aren't good for them. She'd probably be bored with a guy who was actually nice to her. :shrug:

maximus82
Oct 16th, 2007, 11:27 PM
Venus just has fewer people who dislike her compared to her sister. I personally am a Vee fan, but don't root for Serena...and I think there are a number of similar people on this board. Vee is so classy and I like her more quiet determination!

karimcartoon
Oct 16th, 2007, 11:30 PM
Venus just has fewer people who dislike her compared to her sister. I personally am a Vee fan, but don't root for Serena...and I think there are a number of similar people on this board. Vee is so classy and I like her more quiet determination!

i agree on what your saying about her character. She doesnt want to be "the center of attention" as much as other players.

LudwigDvorak
Oct 17th, 2007, 12:03 AM
Oh puhleeze.

Venus gets attacked all the time. So does her sister, but at least if Serena loses she has an excuse. If Venus loses she needs to retire, work on her serve, learn a few forehand, or she's afraid to compete with the best despite beating all of the best many many times, she can only win Wimbledon and isn't a threat at all off grass, or she looks like a man, or that she's a self-hating bitch for dating a white man, yadda yadda yadda.

I see Venus get more shit than damn near anyone on this board, bar Serena. She gets so little respect it's astonishing.

Rollo
Oct 17th, 2007, 01:44 AM
Oh puhleeze.

Venus gets attacked all the time. So does her sister, but at least if Serena loses she has an excuse. If Venus loses she needs to retire, work on her serve, learn a few forehand, or she's afraid to compete with the best despite beating all of the best many many times, she can only win Wimbledon and isn't a threat at all off grass, or she looks like a man, or that she's a self-hating bitch for dating a white man, yadda yadda yadda.

I see Venus get more shit than damn near anyone on this board, bar Serena. She gets so little respect it's astonishing.


Lets face it-every top player has "haters" and "fanatics" who only see things in black and white.

The measure of the hatred is directly related to how much of a "threat" someone is to win slams-and Venus is not seen as a threat to win evert major like Serena or Henin is.

With Venus it is a different sort of crticism though, as your post indicates. A lot of us (myself included) find more to like in Venus' personality compared to her sister or Justine Henin-both of whom I admire for their fight, but not for their "niceness" or "class".

Here's hoping Lady V and all the others are healthy and play in Madrid!

hingisGOAT
Oct 17th, 2007, 01:46 AM
nope :devil:

twight6
Oct 17th, 2007, 01:47 AM
Mostly because Venus is seen as classier.

Don't get me wrong, I dont' trash the Williams, I just mean that Serena seems to do a lot more controversial things-- she's usually the won saying "I only played 20% and that's why I lost" or the one that "bumped into so-and-so at the change over". I think Serena has more... not cockiness, but I mean she has almost more "character" to her, seems to have a lot more emotion and show it more :shrug:

twight6
Oct 17th, 2007, 01:49 AM
Plus I agree with Rollo... I think back in Venus "prime" (winning days) she was trashed a lot more.. but now adays it seems that Serena is more the threat (outside of Wimbledon, of course ;) :p)

LudwigDvorak
Oct 17th, 2007, 01:55 AM
Of course Venus was trashed more then. She hardly lost. She loses much more often now and is still greeted with the bile and hatred of someone who never loses, plus she's held to ridiculously high standards STILL, despite that injury that permanently changed her career at Wimbledon 2003. She's come a long way since then but she just can't please anybody no matter what she does. :shrug: At least when Serena got the Australian there were questions if she was going to be #1 again, if she'd get the Grand Slam...when Venus won Wimbledon, sure, she was congratulated, but she was called a one-surface wonder/one-slam wonder and made fun of for having "only" primarily Wimbledon trophies. Again, :shrug:

She can't do anything right and never has to many, many people.

[/sorry for the rants but these things have been bothering me for quite some time obviously :lol: ]

Bolt80
Oct 17th, 2007, 01:59 AM
She's got way to much class and grace to ever trash

supergrunt
Oct 17th, 2007, 03:17 AM
More people like Venus than Serena because Serena is closer to being #1 and having more success. :shrug:

Direwolf
Oct 17th, 2007, 08:28 AM
becuz Venus is the Queen...
everyone knows that...
she has that Aura, that u must like her
all the time..
shes disciplined.
and she eats less..

fioredeliberi
Oct 17th, 2007, 09:00 AM
Venus does not do all the rude and disrespectful things that her spoilt younger sister does. As the older sister, she is polite and mostly respectful in most of her interactions with others.
How many rude, graceless and disrespectful quotes do we get from Vee as against Serena?
That's why even Justine fans seldom have anything bad to say about Venus, but lots to say about Serena. Serena just has a foul mouth.

mankind
Oct 17th, 2007, 09:09 AM
Venus does not do all the rude and disrespectful things that her spoilt younger sister does.

I think Venus is just a little more diplomatic than Serena.

Erika_Angel
Oct 17th, 2007, 10:02 AM
This is WTAWorld, where the maturity level of posters is at an all-time low. Everybody attacks everyone for the most pathetic reasons. Get used to it. Either embrace it (and join the masses of abrasive, senseless drones) or ignore it, like the smart people do.

gaggleguy
Oct 17th, 2007, 10:12 AM
TBH Venus annoys me far more than Serena does

Serena is all right, just sometimes she does, says some stupid things

but Venus make my skin crawl all the time, I never liked her

V-MAC
Oct 17th, 2007, 10:35 AM
Venus gets "trashed" quite a lot here, and nearly always for when she loses a match. Serena may have more haters in general but I think that the few dedicated haters that Venus has here are more vocal :shrug:

V-MAC
Oct 17th, 2007, 10:37 AM
TBH Venus annoys me far more than Serena does

Serena is all right, just sometimes she does, says some stupid things

but Venus make my skin crawl all the time, I never liked her

:scared: a bit ott no? What did she do to you?

Yasmine
Oct 17th, 2007, 10:54 AM
the question is: Is there a player which gets to the top who doesn't get trashed in this place?

answer is no.

Poova
Oct 17th, 2007, 11:59 AM
Well I don't really like Venus, but I still have great respect for her. She's a very classy woman who always shows respect to her opponent, win or lose. I really enjoyed reading her blog from Tokyo. :yeah:

hwanmig
Oct 17th, 2007, 02:36 PM
Venus that's Serena's older brother right???

Marcus1979
Oct 17th, 2007, 02:40 PM
the question is: Is there a player which gets to the top who doesn't get trashed in this place?

answer is no.

What about Amelie she doesn't seem to have haters?

Marcus1979
Oct 17th, 2007, 02:42 PM
Venus gets "trashed" quite a lot here, and nearly always for when she loses a match. Serena may have more haters in general but I think that the few dedicated haters that Venus has here are more vocal :shrug:

SpencerCarlos
HeyLookIAmGay

for example ;)

V-MAC
Oct 17th, 2007, 02:45 PM
SpencerCarlos
HeyLookIAmGay

for example ;)

:lol: I didn't want to name names but yeah there you go

mankind
Oct 17th, 2007, 02:48 PM
What about Amelie she doesn't seem to have haters?

She gets her fair share of snide remarks.
I think most people were actually happy for her when she won her slams last year...the AO situation fuelled a lot more hatred towards Justine IMO, and Wimbledon was a nice reinforcement of that victory.

OrdinaryfoolisNJ
Oct 17th, 2007, 02:56 PM
Venus is a more tame character and that leads to less trashing. But I felt that she was unfairly "trashed" when she had her problems earlier in the year. And there are constant threads with titles of "Should Venus Retire Now."

I think that the moderators are lax in discouraging trashing. There should be way less trashing of players and of other posters. Its one thing to communicate an opinion -- positive or negative -- its another thing to "trash" someone.

Meghanns Journey
Oct 23rd, 2007, 08:03 AM
Lets face it-every top player has "haters" and "fanatics" who only see things in black and white.

The measure of the hatred is directly related to how much of a "threat" someone is to win slams-and Venus is not seen as a threat to win evert major like Serena or Henin is.

With Venus it is a different sort of crticism though, as your post indicates. A lot of us (myself included) find more to like in Venus' personality compared to her sister or Justine Henin-both of whom I admire for their fight, but not for their "niceness" or "class".

Here's hoping Lady V and all the others are healthy and play in Madrid!

I didn't think of it that way but you're right. Venus isn't a threat to win every major which is a good reason why she isn't trashed as much as Serena.

Princeza
Oct 23rd, 2007, 08:05 AM
Venus is cool.

Meghanns Journey
Oct 23rd, 2007, 08:07 AM
Of course Venus was trashed more then. She hardly lost. She loses much more often now and is still greeted with the bile and hatred of someone who never loses, plus she's held to ridiculously high standards STILL, despite that injury that permanently changed her career at Wimbledon 2003. She's come a long way since then but she just can't please anybody no matter what she does. :shrug: At least when Serena got the Australian there were questions if she was going to be #1 again, if she'd get the Grand Slam...when Venus won Wimbledon, sure, she was congratulated, but she was called a one-surface wonder/one-slam wonder and made fun of for having "only" primarily Wimbledon trophies. Again, :shrug:

She can't do anything right and never has to many, many people.

[/sorry for the rants but these things have been bothering me for quite some time obviously :lol: ]

She's held to a higher standard because she's great a player. You have to expect that as a fan of hers.

mckyle.
Oct 23rd, 2007, 08:09 AM
More people like Venus than Serena because Serena is closer to being #1 and having more success. :shrug:

Serena is having more success? Sure...

Dani12
Oct 23rd, 2007, 08:22 AM
I like Venus much more then I like Serena. But I respect both players equally :)

starin
Oct 23rd, 2007, 08:23 AM
Serena is having more success? Sure...

she is. Two tier I finals and one tier I win. Plus a slam. And 3 QF. She's doing better. And far less losses to "bad" players.
But people used to call Venus classless all the time. It's just now that she loses a lot more to whack players that she's "loved" more.

Yasmine
Oct 23rd, 2007, 08:46 AM
What about Amelie she doesn't seem to have haters?
You're kidding right? :lol: or don't read GM often enough :devil: :p

I think that the moderators are lax in discouraging trashing. There should be way less trashing of players and of other posters. Its one thing to communicate an opinion -- positive or negative -- its another thing to "trash" someone.
None of the moderators has the time to go through every post of every thread in GM (or anywhere else on the board) unless there are posts reported. So it's you posters responsabilities to report posts that you find trashing/offensive/insulting (http://imgsrv2.tennisuniverse.com/wtaworld/images/buttons/blue/report.gif (http://www.wtaworld.com/report.php?p=11877822) button).

LudwigDvorak
Oct 23rd, 2007, 08:59 AM
She's held to a higher standard because she's great a player. You have to expect that as a fan of hers.

You're right. I was talking with a friend about this earlier, about how she's held to such high standards. I hold her to them myself, but not to the level many do now.

I personally hate it when she loses to players outside the top 10 or 20, but it doesn't mean she should retire. Or that she's afraid of competing with the best. Or any other nonsense thing.

But, someone posted in this thread previously to just ignore/bad rep/ignore the dumb trolls who bash Venus, and that's what I'm doing now.

williams.i.am
Oct 24th, 2007, 11:55 AM
You're right. I was talking with a friend about this earlier, about how she's held to such high standards. I hold her to them myself, but not to the level many do now.

I personally hate it when she loses to players outside the top 10 or 20, but it doesn't mean she should retire. Or that she's afraid of competing with the best. Or any other nonsense thing.

But, someone posted in this thread previously to just ignore/bad rep/ignore the dumb trolls who bash Venus, and that's what I'm doing now.

i co-sign but i don't say shit when venus loses to them lower ranked peeps cuz their crazy ass fans will come at you with a quickness and i get tired of that shit. :rolleyes:

rottweily
Oct 24th, 2007, 01:28 PM
She hasn't got the results lately to be trashed by the GM trolls, Serena neither but she just asks to be trashed ;)

spencercarlos
Oct 24th, 2007, 02:51 PM
SpencerCarlos
HeyLookIAmGay

for example ;)
;) Some recognition for a job welldone :lol:


:p

lightningquick
Oct 24th, 2007, 05:09 PM
correct me if i'm wrong, but shouldn't it be "thrash"?

Tennisaddict
Oct 24th, 2007, 07:02 PM
I see you have not met spencercarlos and Matt0000 :tape:

terjw
Oct 24th, 2007, 09:03 PM
Maybe I'm just too new here and I missed them but I never see topics trashing Venus. There's lots of anti-Serena topics though. Not that people have to do the same to Venus but I was just wondering if posters are reluctant because Venus is the more respected one of the sisters and they worry about being judged. If that's the case then I give Venus a lot of credit because she really has the upper hand among tennis fans. It's really a great position to be in and says a lot about your character that you can actually prevent people from trashing you by just being an honorable person. :)

Earlier this year - because Venus took a while longer than her sister to get her form back - she was taking a huge amount of unjustiified flack compared to her sister. And there were loads of posts on how she was now crap and should just retire etc.

The funny thing was - it was nearly all from her fans - it wasn't by the likes of her non-fans like me. Even her father joined in and publically rubbished her after her loss at the FO. As soon as she wins Wimbledon the tone changes. It's like "I never lost faith" and "now she won't lose a single match" blaa blaa.

You have to realise if you haven't been on WTA World for long that a top player either dominates everyone in sight when they win, or they should retire when they lose. There's no in between.

Pureracket
Oct 24th, 2007, 09:20 PM
Earlier this year - because Venus took a while longer than her sister to get her form back - she was taking a huge amount of unjustiified flack compared to her sister. And there were loads of posts on how she was now crap and should just retire etc.

The funny thing was - it was nearly all from her fans - it wasn't by the likes of her non-fans like me. Even her father joined in and publically rubbished her after her loss at the FO. As soon as she wins Wimbledon the tone changes. It's like "I never lost faith" and "now she won't lose a single match" blaa blaa.

You have to realise if you haven't been on WTA World for long that a top player either dominates everyone in sight when they win, or they should retire when they lose. There's no in between.Is lying fun? I bet it is.

terjw
Oct 24th, 2007, 09:40 PM
Is lying fun? I bet it is.

You tell me - you should know.

Pureracket
Oct 24th, 2007, 09:46 PM
You tell me - you should know.
Yeah, from reading your hopeless diatribes against the Williams fans. I'm soooo glad the "RC" asked me to be on troll duty. I get to read your posts.;)

iWill
Oct 24th, 2007, 09:55 PM
Mostly because Venus is seen as classier.

Don't get me wrong, I dont' trash the Williams, I just mean that Serena seems to do a lot more controversial things-- she's usually the won saying "I only played 20% and that's why I lost" or the one that "bumped into so-and-so at the change over". I think Serena has more... not cockiness, but I mean she has almost more "character" to her, seems to have a lot more emotion and show it more :shrug:

i agree somewhat with your post I just thought it was interesting that you brought up the "cockiness" aspect because at the beginning of Venus' career alot of people especially players felt that she was cocky and thats why she kept to herself a lot, and didnt socialize with the other players. Even fans felt that way once she started to win

BUT Now shes seen as classy and just a great woman when I feel that Venus has been there all along its just taken the world about ten years to finally notice it

Denise4925
Oct 24th, 2007, 10:41 PM
Venus just has fewer people who dislike her compared to her sister. I personally am a Vee fan, but don't root for Serena...and I think there are a number of similar people on this board. Vee is so classy and I like her more quiet determination!

And, there are Serena fans who don't root for Venus. Because, Serena is such a fighter and a lot of people love her divaness. Personally I love them both and I don't think either of them should be compared, whether positively or negatively.

Denise4925
Oct 24th, 2007, 10:42 PM
Venus is classy! :worship: Serena is not. Serena says classless things like calling her opponents "lucky" and "overrated."


Yeah, and Henin is the epitome of classless. Not only does she look like she just stepped out of a trailer park, she cheats and lies.

Denise4925
Oct 24th, 2007, 10:45 PM
Venus does not do all the rude and disrespectful things that her spoilt younger sister does. As the older sister, she is polite and mostly respectful in most of her interactions with others.
How many rude, graceless and disrespectful quotes do we get from Vee as against Serena?
That's why even Justine fans seldom have anything bad to say about Venus, but lots to say about Serena. Serena just has a foul mouth.

What's Justine's excuse for being a poor sportsman and a liar and cheater?

Denise4925
Oct 24th, 2007, 10:49 PM
She hasn't got the results lately to be trashed by the GM trolls, Serena neither but she just asks to be trashed ;)

No, they only each won a GS title and Serena a Tier 1 over your fave. :shrug:

Denise4925
Oct 24th, 2007, 10:50 PM
Is lying fun? I bet it is.

:lol:

LudwigDvorak
Oct 24th, 2007, 10:50 PM
omg, Denise, why are you turning this thread into an anti-Henin diatribe? All three ladies, along with you, me, and EVERYONE ELSE have done bad things in our lives, on court, off court, doesn't matter.

You're just asking for a flame war, and I figure you've endured enough of those over the years. :weirdo:

Denise4925
Oct 24th, 2007, 10:54 PM
omg, Denise, why are you turning this thread into an anti-Henin diatribe? All three ladies, along with you, me, and EVERYONE ELSE have done bad things in our lives, on court, off court, doesn't matter.

You're just asking for a flame war, and I figure you've endured enough of those over the years. :weirdo:

omg LudwigDvorak :weirdo: I'm turning this into an anti-Henin diatribe? Did you happen to see what I responded to? Or is it okay for them to say negative things about Venus and Serena, and Justine is untouchable. If you don't like what I say, put me on ignore.

P.S. Don't presume to know what the fuck I've endured over the years.

LudwigDvorak
Oct 24th, 2007, 11:02 PM
I've heard for years, even as a child, to not succumb to someone's level when they're being nasty. If they want to talk bad about Venus or Serena, let them. I personally don't find the comments you responded to that bad.

We know they're wrong and it's not like someone on a messageboard is going to prove to them otherwise, ie, leading to a flame war. Of course, yes, it is your prerogative to talk back to them but it's useless--I've seen more than enough threads where us sisters supporters have defended them, and while it's a nice effort it just ends up as backtalking when there's no room for either fan to backtalk.

Again, it's your decision to start arguments with anyone who says the slightest negative thing about Venus or Serena, and that's fair. I overreacted. But in the long run it means nothing.

I wasn't commenting anything about your life. I just know I've seen other threads where this exact same scenario popped up that included you. And if you meant about doing bad things in your life, then my mistake for presuming you've done anything wrong.

I'm out of here.

Pureracket
Oct 24th, 2007, 11:23 PM
.

Again, it's your decision to start arguments with anyone who says the slightest negative thing about Venus or Serena,
I'm out of here.You give comments like this a free pass:

http://www.wtaworld.com/showpost.php?p=11884053&postcount=41
http://www.wtaworld.com/showpost.php?p=11846738&postcount=26

but you have a problem with Denise's posts?:tape:

LudwigDvorak
Oct 24th, 2007, 11:40 PM
So I'm not out of here. :o I give in too easily. :rolleyes:

I don't have a problem with Denise's posts; like I said in my previous post I think it's a nice idea to make a point to the dissenters, but it usually ends up a big fight and diverts from the original point of the thread, as is the situation here.

I just think it's pointless to argue again about Venus/Serena v. Henin. They're all rational, smart women and often are judged too much by the idiots in their respective fanbases. I rolled my eyes when I first read the second post you pasted, and I partially agree with rottweily, because she doesn't have the results to get bashed by trolls like when she was losing 3R FO or QF Istanbul. Since Wimbledon it's been W-QF-SF-W-F-SF, which is very impressive. ;)

Cat123
Oct 25th, 2007, 01:21 AM
I don't trash Venus because I like Venus! I do not like Serena...

spencercarlos
Oct 25th, 2007, 01:44 AM
So I'm not out of here. :o I give in too easily. :rolleyes:

I don't have a problem with Denise's posts; like I said in my previous post I think it's a nice idea to make a point to the dissenters, but it usually ends up a big fight and diverts from the original point of the thread, as is the situation here.

I just think it's pointless to argue again about Venus/Serena v. Henin. They're all rational, smart women and often are judged too much by the idiots in their respective fanbases. I rolled my eyes when I first read the second post you pasted, and I partially agree with rottweily, because she doesn't have the results to get bashed by trolls like when she was losing 3R FO or QF Istanbul. Since Wimbledon it's been W-QF-SF-W-F-SF, which is very impressive. ;)
Winning Wimbledon, yes impressive.
Her Usopen run, good one and a nice match against Henin, in fact her best this year.. But the outcome impressive for Venus? i really doubt she is impressed.

All the other results are only impressive in your delusional mind. Eg Qf (choke) in San Diego and her Mickey Mouse Asia Tour of events... her results were a shame for a player of her caliber, and the decision to take it was one of her dumbest decisions latelty.

:wavey:

Volcana
Oct 25th, 2007, 02:07 AM
I can't imagine a reasonable person trashing Venus. She's the kind of person I want my daughter to grow up to be. Intelligent, kind, inquisitive, works at her craft, willing to challenge percieved injustices, etc.

faste5683
Oct 25th, 2007, 02:15 AM
I can't imagine a reasonable person trashing Venus. She's the kind of person I want my daughter to grow up to be. Intelligent, kind, inquisitive, works at her craft, willing to challenge percieved injustices, etc.

I agree. It's almost impossible to trash Venus (the person). Sometimes
her forehand goes off (but then again, her forehand is a helluva lot
better than mine:lol:).

:wavey:

Simplicity.
Oct 25th, 2007, 02:56 AM
Im pretty much one of the biggest haters of the Williams here, but Venus hasnt done anything to trash in a while, shes acting like a normal tennis player lately which is wonderful to see. Shes a nice person, not a stuck up bitch like her sister. I know this is a silly cliche but shes the type of person that the world needs more of.

rottweily
Oct 25th, 2007, 10:45 AM
You give comments like this a free pass:

http://www.wtaworld.com/showpost.php?p=11884053&postcount=41
http://www.wtaworld.com/showpost.php?p=11846738&postcount=26

but you have a problem with Denise's posts?:tape:

I just make fun of this silly thread intended for more trolling. And I don't see what is so wrong with my post.
It is a fact that a certain player's # of trolls are correlated with the amount of domination.
And which behavior is more likely to get thrashed, that of Venus or that of Serena?

V-MAC
Oct 25th, 2007, 10:54 AM
Im pretty much one of the biggest haters of the Williams here, but Venus hasnt done anything to trash in a while, shes acting like a normal tennis player lately which is wonderful to see. Shes a nice person, not a stuck up bitch like her sister. I know this is a silly cliche but shes the type of person that the world needs more of.

Really?! :confused: I haven't noticed you before. You need to make yourself more vocal or else SpencerCarlos and HLIG will be stealing your thunder ;)

Vlover
Oct 25th, 2007, 01:51 PM
[QUOTE=Volcana;11888091]I can't imagine a reasonable person trashing Venus. She's the kind of person I want my daughter to grow up to be. Intelligent, kind, inquisitive, works at her craft, willing to challenge percieved injustices, etc.

All the other results are only impressive in your delusional mind. Eg Qf (choke) in San Diego and her Mickey Mouse Asia Tour of events... her results were a shame for a player of her caliber, and the decision to take it was one of her dumbest decisions latelty.

Volcana, maybe my mistake is to consider spencercarlos reasonable but being a reasonable person myself I want to give him the benefit of the doubt so I present exhibit A.;)

There is no doubt though that "the other one" doesn't qualify as a reasonable person.:lol:

Tenis Srbija
Oct 25th, 2007, 01:57 PM
I'm not...

spencercarlos
Oct 25th, 2007, 03:23 PM
Volcana, maybe my mistake is to consider spencercarlos reasonable but being a reasonable person myself I want to give him the benefit of the doubt so I present exhibit A.;)

There is no doubt though that "the other one" doesn't qualify as a reasonable person.:lol:
Well about your exhibit A, yes i am too harsh while making these kind of comments about Venus, but the sad thing is that even you most fans know she did a mistake by playing those many lower Tier III/IV events in a row most of you won´t admit that because you are too "proud" to.

But the reality is that you use all of the possible tricks and double standards to justify Venus (and to bash others), and that is the most anoying part of her fan base.

LudwigDvorak
Oct 25th, 2007, 06:22 PM
It was a mistake playing three events in a row, yes. Wouldn't have mattered, to me, if it were Stuttgart/Moscow/Zurich like Serena did. Both fizzled out after those three weeks, regardless of the tier.

That said, she was able to win 12 or 13 matches and did something she hadn't done in three years, play for several weeks in a row. She held to her commitments, added in another week, and had fun. I'm proud of her, even if she did choke massively in Japan.

Still, both should be fresh for Madrid in a couple weeks, which is what's most important.

Denise4925
Oct 25th, 2007, 10:47 PM
To me, a thread like this opens the floodgates to compare the two sisters and trash Serena, mainly because Venus is not as flamboyant and outrageous as Serena. It's pointless. They've both been trashed mercilessly, as have all top players who have thrashed other people's faves. Again, this thread is just pointless to me.

Denise4925
Oct 26th, 2007, 12:46 AM
Venus owns Wimbledon.
Venus doesn't untoughtfully run her mouth as Serena does.
Venus dresses well and ain't fat.

See :rolleyes:

Vlover
Oct 26th, 2007, 02:04 AM
But the reality is that you use all of the possible tricks and double standards to justify Venus (and to bash others), and that is the most anoying part of her fan base.

You fail to understand that Venus' FANS know that outside of the majors Venus selects the tournies that are located where she can explore and enjoy different cultures. Obviously she committed to visit Asia this fall in advance and that is exactly what she did. Venus has played Europe for several years therefore she choose Asia this time as she has a different agenda as always. Her fans are just happy that she is healthy enough to play so i don't get why you are so upset.:p

spencercarlos
Oct 26th, 2007, 05:31 AM
You fail to understand that Venus' FANS know that outside of the majors Venus selects the tournies that are located where she can explore and enjoy different cultures.
This is BS really, Venus does not need to commit to a Tier III/IV tournament in order to meet any country of city of her liking :rolleyes:.
Plus this is the very first time in her carreer she does something like this eg. playing this many lower Tier tour events in consecutive weeks, so stop trying to tell us this is her patter in order to know and enjoy different cultures.


Venus has played Europe for several years therefore she choose Asia this time as she has a different agenda as always.
Different agenda as always? 2003, 2005 and 2006 she did not play anything for the fall. That is not a different agenda to me.
If anything it was a really bad agenda, Henin just by playing Stutgart won more money and won almost the same amount of points that Venus won in this three week series of events by playing just 4 matches. Lets not even mention her Zurich win.

Her fans are just happy that she is healthy enough to play so i don't get why you are so upset.:p
I would not be so happy if i was a fan, she seemed injured in just her second tournament of that series.
And actually im very happy that she did not win this three events (which she should have IMO), because it would have given you all the courage to put her above Henin using the number tournaments wins category. Yes eventhough they would have been delusional minor league wins :tape:

:wavey:

vettipooh
Oct 26th, 2007, 05:35 AM
You fail to understand that Venus' FANS know that outside of the majors Venus selects the tournies that are located where she can explore and enjoy different cultures. Obviously she committed to visit Asia this fall in advance and that is exactly what she did. Venus has played Europe for several years therefore she choose Asia this time as she has a different agenda as always. Her fans are just happy that she is healthy enough to play so i don't get why you are so upset.:p

Why bother explaining? :shrug: It's a waste of time. Stop feeding that troll.

G1Player2
Oct 26th, 2007, 05:37 AM
This is BS really, Venus does not need to commit to a Tier III/IV tournament in order to meet any country of city of her liking :rolleyes:.
Plus this is the very first time in her carreer she does something like this eg. playing this many lower Tier tour events in consecutive weeks, so stop trying to tell us this is her patter in order to know and enjoy different cultures.



Different agenda as always? 2003, 2005 and 2006 she did not play anything for the fall. That is not a different agenda to me.
If anything it was a really bad agenda, Henin just by playing Stutgart won more money and won almost the same amount of points that Venus won in this three week series of events by playing just 4 matches. Lets not even mention her Zurich win.


I would not be so happy if i was a fan, she seemed injured in just her second tournament of that series.
And actually im very happy that she did not win this three events (which she should have IMO), because it would have given you all the courage to put her above Henin using the number tournaments wins category. Yes eventhough they would have been delusional minor league wins :tape:

:wavey:

Hmmm, seems you forgot to mention her MAJOR leage win. WIMBLEDON 2007. :lol: How does those bitter sour grapes taste?

:wavey:

vettipooh
Oct 26th, 2007, 05:44 AM
Hmmm, seems you forgot to mention her MAJOR leage win. WIMBLEDON 2007. :lol: How does those bitter sour grapes taste?

:wavey:

Like a nasty dose of medicine!!:lol: That troll is one of those who proclaimed over and over that Vee would never again re-enter the top 10, much less win another slam. Now he's gone crazy because he had to eat his words.:lol:

spencercarlos
Oct 26th, 2007, 05:47 AM
Like a nasty dose of medicine!!:lol: That troll is one of those who proclaimed over and over that Vee would never again re-enter the top 10, much less win another slam. Now he's gone crazy because he had to eat his words.:lol:
Yes another delusional post(er).. I never said that, Venus is always a sure bet at Wimbledon...

:wavey:

darrinbaker00
Oct 26th, 2007, 05:54 AM
You fail to understand that Venus' FANS know that outside of the majors Venus selects the tournies that are located where she can explore and enjoy different cultures. Obviously she committed to visit Asia this fall in advance and that is exactly what she did. Venus has played Europe for several years therefore she choose Asia this time as she has a different agenda as always. Her fans are just happy that she is healthy enough to play so i don't get why you are so upset.:p
Venus played the smaller Asian tournaments this year because the promoters of those tournaments paid her a lot of money. Please do not delude yourself into thinking otherwise.

AkademiQ
Oct 26th, 2007, 10:07 PM
Venus owns Wimbledon.
Venus doesn't untoughtfully run her mouth as Serena does.
Venus dresses well and ain't fat.

Just like I thought. The people who thoughtlessly through out that Venus is classy, pretty, or whatever only mean she is all that compared to Serena. It's not even about Venus but their hatred of Serena. Take Serena out the equation and Venus loses all those pretty but empty words.