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ns_Henin
Oct 16th, 2007, 06:21 PM
What a sore loser. Serena she's fine, she doesn't got injured but she didn't want to finish the match and choose to retire at the middle of the 2nd?? :shrug:
She retired just to avoid a double bagel or a bad scoreline from patty???? :bs:
I cant believe it.. Ultra-unsportmanships performance from Serena.. :rolleyes: :shout: :hysteric::armed:

KBdoubleu
Oct 16th, 2007, 06:23 PM
How exactly do you know shes not injured?

funny to see her sportsmanship challenged by a Henin fan of all people

ns_Henin
Oct 16th, 2007, 06:26 PM
And it shows that nobody's perfect, everybody have a chance to make an unsportmanships attitude. I mean EVERYBODY.

ys
Oct 16th, 2007, 06:39 PM
She retired just to avoid a double bagel or a bad scoreline from patty???? :bs:


How did she avoid double bagel by retiring? :shrugs:

BuTtErFrEnA
Oct 16th, 2007, 07:10 PM
coming from a jh fan :spit:










wait are we on last coming comic standing?? :o

Craigy
Oct 16th, 2007, 07:11 PM
She was injured. You're just immature. Pretty much defines WTAworld.

iWill
Oct 16th, 2007, 07:14 PM
Its way to easy for me to comment on this whole thing coming from a Henin fan... and about sportsmanship... HA! :rolleyes:

basically Serena retired so she wouldnt hurt herself further she may not be "injured" but feeling sore since she was taped to prevent an injury

pro athletes can't just go out there and play just to finish a match (unless its a GS) she knew she could hurt herself further and for Zurich it totally wasnt worth it


see u at the YEC Serena!!! :wavey:

ns_Henin
Oct 16th, 2007, 07:18 PM
see u at YEC and eat some bagels there Serena!
(J/K) dont be too defensive ppl!

iWill
Oct 16th, 2007, 07:20 PM
its hard not to be defensive when u posted such an outright dig at Serena... true enough she could've finished the match but why would she its not like its a GS final or anything......

Apoorv
Oct 16th, 2007, 07:24 PM
The whole world was targeting justine after ao 2006, no surprise if a justine fan takes an opportunity to get settle some score.

ns_Henin
Oct 16th, 2007, 07:26 PM
So you think its okay to worse your injury when its a Slam Final??? You're so stupid then.. I think NOBODY will risk their career because of what ppl says. Even in a Slam Final.

micah63
Oct 16th, 2007, 07:27 PM
How exactly do you know shes not injured?

funny to see her sportsmanship challenged by a Henin fan of all people


I can't imagine Justine tanking a match like this.
She is the ultimate professional. The greatest of her generation.

micah63
Oct 16th, 2007, 07:30 PM
its hard not to be defensive when u posted such an outright dig at Serena... true enough she could've finished the match but why would she its not like its a GS final or anything......


She wanted to avoid a 06 06.
And simply walked away. Unbelievable ...:eek:

Apoorv
Oct 16th, 2007, 07:32 PM
So you think its okay to worse your injury when its a Slam Final??? You're so stupid then.. I think NOBODY will risk their career because of what ppl says. Even in a Slam Final.

If this comment is targeted at me, then you have misunderstood my comment. I am supporting Justine's choice of retiring when she is injured. but i am targeting hypocritical attitude of some people who are taking the two retirements in diff lights.

shap_half
Oct 16th, 2007, 07:32 PM
Should check the score thread where so many Serena fans were urging Serena to quit the match. :bs:

slydevil6142
Oct 16th, 2007, 07:34 PM
believe it and get over it........... if my memory serves me correct didnt justine retire from a match while getting her butt kicked from a mysteriouse "stomach virus" which has never again reared its head....

PaulHopkins
Oct 16th, 2007, 07:37 PM
I'm not a Serena fan at all but of course she was injured! Such a massive difference between her performance at Zurich and Moscow last week can only point towards an injury.

She was also seemingly limping prior to the match.

ns_Henin
Oct 16th, 2007, 07:41 PM
I wonder how Serena fans feeling right now, because their player just do an unsportmanships action just like how they claimed Justine. Karma is bitch, and it's come to you with love, 6-love 3-love! Feel it and enjoy it mwahahahahaha!

iWill
Oct 16th, 2007, 07:42 PM
So you think its okay to worse your injury when its a Slam Final??? You're so stupid then.. I think NOBODY will risk their career because of what ppl says. Even in a Slam Final.

LMFAO!! I think you're the idiot if you are insinuating that the first round of a tier 1 is just as important as a GS final.... and i'm sure justine didnt want to risk winning a GS and playing through a tummy ache so I understand ur frustration.....

iWill
Oct 16th, 2007, 07:43 PM
So you think its okay to worse your injury when its a Slam Final??? You're so stupid then.. I think NOBODY will risk their career because of what ppl says. Even in a Slam Final.

LMFAO!! I think you're the idiot if you are insinuating that the first round of a tier 1 is just as important as a GS final.... and i'm sure justine didnt want to risk hurting herself and winning a GS and playing through a tummy ache so I understand ur frustration.....

V-fan
Oct 16th, 2007, 07:46 PM
What a sore loser. Serena she's fine, she doesn't got injured but she didn't want to finish the match and choose to retire at the middle of the 2nd?? :shrug:
She retired just to avoid a double bagel or a bad scoreline from patty???? :bs:
I cant believe it.. Ultra-unsportmanships performance from Serena.. :rolleyes: :shout: :hysteric::armed:

At least she didn't retire in a Slam-final against a woman who was waiting for Slam win for a long time..........

If you didn't see the match then don't judge....

Blackbeat
Oct 16th, 2007, 07:47 PM
:tape: u are so funny...

who was the bitch that retire in the finals at the Aussie Open??? :tape:

micah63
Oct 16th, 2007, 07:48 PM
At least she didn't retire in a Slam-final against a woman who was waiting for Slam win for a long time..........

If you didn't see the match then don't judge....


But Serena really is the "retiring queen".
She leads by far the WTA record list for retiring during a match.

iPatty
Oct 16th, 2007, 07:49 PM
i love how this thread has focused on justine instead of serena. :lol:

yes, she is a sore loser. obviously she wasn't 100%. so why wait until 6-0, 3-0 to retire? true, she didn't want to get a double bagel. but if that was the case, she should have either withdrawn before the match started or in the first set.

Diesel
Oct 16th, 2007, 07:50 PM
I wonder how Serena fans feeling right now, because their player just do an unsportmanships action just like how they claimed Justine. Karma is bitch, and it's come to you with love, 6-love 3-love! Feel it and enjoy it mwahahahahaha!

This is so pathetic. Justine was being called on her actions by more than Serena fans. The way you guys zone in on anything Serena and Serena fan related is just sad.

ns_Henin
Oct 16th, 2007, 07:52 PM
I dont care if its 1st round of a Tier I or Final round of a Slam. Serena just 3 games away from defeat, had a beautiful chance to double-bageled by Schnyder and she simply can't handle it. She decided to retired. Just face it, feel it and enjoy it.

Koda
Oct 16th, 2007, 07:52 PM
LMFAO!! I think you're the idiot if you are insinuating that the first round of a tier 1 is just as important as a GS final.... and i'm sure justine didnt want to risk hurting herself and winning a GS and playing through a tummy ache so I understand ur frustration.....

did you know that that "tummy ache" made justine change her whole nutrition routine? it was not just tummy ache, considering she was struck by a career-threatening virus before that and considering her mom died of cancer (small intestine if my memory serves me right), she did not want to jeopardize not only her career but moreseo her health and her life even for a grand slam final ;)

Koda
Oct 16th, 2007, 07:54 PM
yes, she is a sore loser. obviously she wasn't 100%. so why wait until 6-0, 3-0 to retire? true, she didn't want to get a double bagel. but if that was the case, she should have either withdrawn before the match started or in the first set.

spot on! :yeah:

slydevil6142
Oct 16th, 2007, 07:56 PM
did you know that that "tummy ache" made justine change her whole nutrition routine? it was not just tummy ache, considering she was struck by a career-threatening virus before that and considering her mom died of cancer (small intestine if my memory serves me right), she did not want to jeopardize not only her career but moreseo her health and her life even for a grand slam final ;)

oh come on haha ..... the virus is def real but that stomach virus was the weakest excuse ive ever heard ... does it justify serena not finishing No BUT lets not try to make justines retirement against momo something that it wasnt.....

Diesel
Oct 16th, 2007, 07:57 PM
If this comment is targeted at me, then you have misunderstood my comment. I am supporting Justine's choice of retiring when she is injured. but i am targeting hypocritical attitude of some people who are taking the two retirements in diff lights.

Thus becoming a hypocrite yourself.

iWill
Oct 16th, 2007, 07:57 PM
did you know that that "tummy ache" made justine change her whole nutrition routine? it was not just tummy ache, considering she was struck by a career-threatening virus before that and considering her mom died of cancer (small intestine if my memory serves me right), she did not want to jeopardize not only her career but moreseo her health and her life even for a grand slam final ;)

all i'm saying is if this was so life threatening why didn't she stay off the tour longer i mean personally if someone was sooo injured to retire in a GS final I would have to think one of her limbs wasn't functioning I agree that Serena easily could have finished the match

BUT i'm not going to sit back and let a justine fan give Serena crap for retiring in the first round of a tournament that is pointless in her case because shes already qualified for the YEC and she was hampered by her leg. to me that is a much more legitimate retirement then Justines fiasco in Australia which was a GS final! if u or anyone else cant see the logic behind that u aren't a true tennis fan

supergrunt
Oct 16th, 2007, 07:57 PM
atleast it wasn't at a grand slam final :)

ns_Henin
Oct 16th, 2007, 07:58 PM
I just love how Serena didnt even win 1 game against Schnyder.. And she complete it by a retirement. Perfect. Thanks Serena you make my day :D
I would love to see Serena's bandwagon to join this happines i feel. Welcome!

Williamsser
Oct 16th, 2007, 07:58 PM
What a sore loser.

She's a sore loser. That's why Americans don't root for her.

Donny
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:00 PM
She's a sore loser. That's why Americans don't root for her.

That's why she's the most popular female athlete in the US.

doni1212
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:00 PM
So you think its okay to worse your injury when its a Slam Final??? You're so stupid then.. I think NOBODY will risk their career because of what ppl says. Even in a Slam Final.

I didn't know a stomach ache was career threatening, :rolleyes:

Apoorv
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:01 PM
Thus becoming a hypocrite yourself.

How? I never criticized Serena's decision to retire!!! also I never appreciated people going over the top in targeting Justine.

Diesel
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:02 PM
I didn't know a stomach ache was career threatening, :rolleyes:

Everything is for juju down to her childhood, marriage, mysterious virus hookups and just life period.

Diesel
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:05 PM
How? I never criticized Serena's decision to retire!!! also I never appreciated people going over the top in targeting Justine.

The whole world was targeting justine after ao 2006, no surprise if a justine fan takes an opportunity to get settle some score.

Justine fans in general are being hypocritical because the same stance isn't being kept with Justine. It's not surprising many Justine fans are jumping at the chance to forget their own words of indignation when it was Justine, but with Serena they are bashing her and acting as if the 'world' means Serena/Serena fans. But then again you understand targeting someone else and settling some imaginary score. Hypocrisy is what it's called.

micah63
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:06 PM
oh come on haha ..... the virus is def real but that stomach virus was the weakest excuse ive ever heard ... does it justify serena not finishing No BUT lets not try to make justines retirement against momo something that it wasnt.....


No one will retire in a slam final without a very good reason. Especially not a fighter on and off the court like Justine. She is not afraid of losing. Because her ego doesn't depend on tennis.

Enter Serena ...

harloo
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:07 PM
Everything is for juju down to her childhood, marriage, mysterious virus hookups and just life period.

:lol: :haha::haha::haha:Serena's not even playing well and again Justine name is brought up. Shouldn't Justine fans be happy with the fact that Justine is #1 and winning now? I mean it's like everything involving Serena has to be linked to Justine by her fans. :tape::lol:

Koda
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:08 PM
oh come on haha ..... the virus is def real but that stomach virus was the weakest excuse ive ever heard ... does it justify serena not finishing No BUT lets not try to make justines retirement against momo something that it wasnt.....

who knows what's going on inside her tummy, who knows how much pain she was enduring to make her that call, to decide that she has to STOP IN A GRAND SLAM FINAL! that's a big big decision to make and she made it. you can believe what you want to believe and i know i will never change your mind so i won't even try :yeah:

ns_Henin
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:10 PM
http://photos.friendster.com/photos/69/90/10170996/1_110846975l.jpg

thrust
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:12 PM
Obviously, something was physically wrong with Serena. She was probably sore and tierd after two weeks of tough play. She, like Justine and Venus should never commit to 3 tournaments in 3 weeks. Outside of Dubai and Doha, after an extended lay-off and Eastbourne, Justine has been very careful in her scheduling this year. Hopefully, next year, Justine will avoid Eastbourne.

Koda
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:13 PM
Everything is for juju down to her childhood, marriage, mysterious virus hookups and just life period.

oh yeah and everything is for serena down to her injuries, unfit, not committed, lucky shots, feel violated...................

ns_Henin
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:14 PM
Let's get 1 thing straight, im here on my own name, ns_Henin, and i make this my own thread, nothing related to Justine's Bandwagon. No need to bring the 'justine's fans' words.

Serenidad.
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:14 PM
She is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't. People will rag on her for not playing then when she tries to play 3 weeks straight and comes up short people still bitch. Get over it. Henin's 03 FO, 04 AO, 06 AO are just the tip of her horrible sportsmanship.

Slutiana
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:16 PM
And it shows that nobody's perfect, everybody have a chance to make an unsportmanships attitude. I mean EVERYBODY.

You're still trying to justify JH at AO 06 :lol:

She was injured. You're just immature. Pretty much defines WTAworld.

Yep.

Koda
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:16 PM
Obviously, something was physically wrong with Serena. She was probably sore and tierd after two weeks of tough play. She, like Justine and Venus should never commit to 3 tournaments in 3 weeks. Outside of Dubai and Doha, after an extended lay-off and Eastbourne, Justine has been very careful in her scheduling this year. Hopefully, next year, Justine will avoid Eastbourne.

yeah, i understand, serena must have been really tired, i read in her blog posted here that she was up for like 36 hrs. already. im sorry serena fans, im not bashing serena for retiring this match. she must have been feeling really awful. :angel:

harloo
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:17 PM
Let's get 1 thing straight, im here on my own name, ns_Henin, and i make this my own thread, nothing related to Justine's Bandwagon. No need to bring the 'justine's fans' words.

:rolleyes: :tape::lol:

~Cherry*Blossom~
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:17 PM
i love how this thread has focused on justine instead of serena. :lol:

yes, she is a sore loser. obviously she wasn't 100%. so why wait until 6-0, 3-0 to retire? true, she didn't want to get a double bagel. but if that was the case, she should have either withdrawn before the match started or in the first set.


If she pulled out she would have gotten the "she always enters Zurich and then pulls out at the last minute... she never fulfills her commitments " treatment.

If she pulled out in the first set she would have gotten the "lolz Serena didn't want to eat a bagel" treatment.

She will never be able to please everyone no matter what she would have done. Hell, even if she had won the match she would've gotten the "Serena sucks, she isn't going to get far" treatment.

Apoorv
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:25 PM
The whole world was targeting justine after ao 2006, no surprise if a justine fan takes an opportunity to get settle some score.

Justine fans in general are being hypocritical because the same stance isn't being kept with Justine. It's not surprising many Justine fans are jumping at the chance to forget their own words of indignation when it was Justine, but with Serena they are bashing her and acting as if the 'world' means Serena/Serena fans. But then again you understand targeting someone else and settling some imaginary score. Hypocrisy is what it's called.

To be clear, I am not a Justine fan and I am not the thread starter, and the thread starter is targeting Serena for the reason I mentioned. Serena is the first major name to have retired on a similar score and the most of the debates here are Serena fans insulting Justine and vice versa so Serena is an obvious target and more than serena its the fans on this forum. And the one committing crime first is always on the backfoot. The thread is more of a reaction rather than hypocrisy. When I am arguing with some fact I am not hypocrite. I never said Serena's injury is fake. You can say the standards taken by me are different if they are. In this case they are not.

I dont think any player ever read this forum, its the fans going over the top.

bandabou
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:28 PM
even if she did...probably smart. But what's Henin's excuse?? She wasn't getting double bageled, soo....why not finish the match then?

Serena mus have been injured..I mean come on..she couldn't hit a serve, she couldn't hit a ball in court..something was off.

Mephisto
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:29 PM
Both players were absolutely right to retire. Health comes first. I can really understand them since both careers have been seriously hampered by injuries and illnesses ... I just don't get some Williams Fans who accept Serena's retirement but critizise Justine for her actions. I can still remember some quotes from this messageboard after AO 06: Justine got her ass kicked by Amelie, why couldn't she continue for 3-4 more service games. Hmmmm, why couldn't Serena do the same ?!?!?!? And don't come with the argument Justine did it in a slam final and Serena in the 1st round of a regular tournament. It's the SAME case ... One word: Hypocritical ... :o

Donny
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:31 PM
Both players were absolutely right to retire. Health comes first. I can really understand them since both careers have been seriously hampered by injuries and illnesses ... I just don't get some Williams Fans who accept Serena's retirement but critizise Justine for her actions. I can still remember some quotes from this messageboard after AO 06: Justine got her ass kicked by Amelie, why couldn't she continue for 3-4 more service games. Hmmmm, why couldn't Serena do the same ?!?!?!? And don't come with the argument Justine did it in a slam final and Serena in the 1st round of a regular tournament. It's the SAME case ... One word: Hypocritical ... :o

No, it isn't the same.

But nonetheless, both Henin and Serena should never have stepped on court if they knew they couldn't give a decent effort.

Mephisto
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:32 PM
even if she did...probably smart. But what's Henin's excuse?? She wasn't getting double bageled, soo....why not finish the match then?

Serena mus have been injured..I mean come on..she couldn't hit a serve, she couldn't hit a ball in court..something was off.

hmmmm same for Justine back in 06. Something was off then ... She was deathly pale when she entered center court ... lame excuse

ns_Henin
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:33 PM
http://photos.friendster.com/photos/69/90/10170996/1_136046761l.jpg

Mephisto
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:34 PM
No, it isn't the same.

But nonetheless, both Henin and Serena should never have stepped on court if they knew they couldn't give a decent effort.

It is the same :scratch: Okay, Justine retired in a slam final and Serena only in round 1, but the fact is both players retired. Sooo many Williams-Fans back in 06 said Serena will never retire in a match when she get her ass kicked, she's the biggest fighter out there, she will keep her loss with dignity .... blablabla .... I don't by that anymore ... But you are right with the last part ...

Donny
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:38 PM
It is the same :scratch:

In her Australian Open campaign, Henin defeated top ranked Lindsay Davenport and fourth ranked Maria Sharapova in three-set matches to set up a final against third ranked Amélie Mauresmo. While trailing 6-1, 2-0, Henin retired from the match, citing intense stomach pain caused by over-use of anti-inflammatories for a persistent shoulder injury. Henin was criticized by the press because she had stated after her win against Sharapova in the previous round that she was at the "peak of her fitness" and was playing the "best tennis of her life." She became only the second player (after Stefan Edberg), and the first woman, to retire from a Grand Slam final in the open era.

Obviously, retiring in the first round of a Tier I, and retiring in the finals of a Major are not the same.

This isn't excusing Serena though. If she was truly injured, then she shouldn't have played. If she tanked (which is more likely), and just played to fulfill her obligations to the tournament, then it makes sense, but is still wrong.

Denise4925
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:42 PM
If this comment is targeted at me, then you have misunderstood my comment. I am supporting Justine's choice of retiring when she is injured. but i am targeting hypocritical attitude of some people who are taking the two retirements in diff lights.

First of all, a Serena fan didn't start this stupid thread and secondly, the "some people" you are referring to targeted by your post were merely pointing out the hypocrisy of the Justine fan who started this thread. Sheesh, people only see what they want to see. :rolleyes:

Denise4925
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:44 PM
Should check the score thread where so many Serena fans were urging Serena to quit the match. :bs:

What does that have to do with anything in this thread? :confused:

Mephisto
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:46 PM
First of all, a Serena fan didn't start this stupid thread and secondly, the "some people" you are referring to targeted by your post were merely pointing out the hypocrisy of the Justine fan who started this thread. Sheesh, people only see what they want to see. :rolleyes:

I think that Justine fan started this thread because he saw the hypocrisy of some Serena fans who argued that Serena did the right thing :rolleyes: ;)

Mephisto
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:47 PM
What does that have to do with anything in this thread? :confused:

Everything has to do with it :wavey:

Denise4925
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:51 PM
all i'm saying is if this was so life threatening why didn't she stay off the tour longer i mean personally if someone was sooo injured to retire in a GS final I would have to think one of her limbs wasn't functioning I agree that Serena easily could have finished the match

BUT i'm not going to sit back and let a justine fan give Serena crap for retiring in the first round of a tournament that is pointless in her case because shes already qualified for the YEC and she was hampered by her leg. to me that is a much more legitimate retirement then Justines fiasco in Australia which was a GS final! if u or anyone else cant see the logic behind that u aren't a true tennis fan

Moreover, her tummy was hurting yet she never left the court and seemed fine at the awards ceremony. If my tummy hurt and I had to quit a GS final, I'd be in the bathroom doing one thing or another to get relief, as most humans do. :lol:

Denise4925
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:53 PM
Everything is for juju down to her childhood, marriage, mysterious virus hookups and just life period.

It's the Carlos Rodriguez Brainwashing System. You know it's patented. :p

taddict
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:53 PM
Well, I'm fresh from my trip to Moscow; can you believe that I'm playing my third event in a row? I can't! I don't think I've ever done that in my career before, but I'm feeling good and determined to make a good run at the end of the year since I hardly played this summer.

From http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/1/newsroom/stories/?ContentID=1824

So .... what happened? Serena never complained of an injury, she said she's feeling good, which is the same as what Justine did the night before she played the AO final - she said she felt OK.

So what's the difference between the two? :confused: They both said they were feeling fine the night before they played and then both retired the next day. Why is Serena saying "that she felt good the night before" OK, but Justine saying the same, not OK? :shrug:

Any answers please?

taddict
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:55 PM
Moreover, her tummy was hurting yet she never left the court and seemed fine at the awards ceremony. If my tummy hurt and I had to quit a GS final, I'd be in the bathroom doing one thing or another to get relief, as most humans do. :lol:

She did leave the court at the end of the first set.

Either you never saw the match or you are making up lies .... which one is it?

hacberto
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:56 PM
I don't know if she was injured but let's be honest you could tell that Serena wasn't 100% percent she hasn't been 100% since the Australian Open final.

Serena can't play 3 weeks in a row she isn't one of those players, you know, facing it.So I'm glad she retired well technically she lost so now she can rest get some energy and get ready for the YEC if she wants to do some damage there.

Mephisto
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:56 PM
Moreover, her tummy was hurting yet she never left the court and seemed fine at the awards ceremony. If my tummy hurt and I had to quit a GS final, I'd be in the bathroom doing one thing or another to get relief, as most humans do. :lol:

:rolleyes: Sure, all Justine needed was throwing up and then all of a sudden her problems due to the anti-inflammatories will dissolve :cuckoo: ....

supergrunt
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:56 PM
Thigh injury spoils eagerly awaited Schnyder-Williams match

The good news is that the home nation has a player, Patty Schnyder, in the second round of the Zurich Open. The bad news is that it was no contest and Serena Williams, playing her first singles in Zurich for 10 years, was so hampered by a thigh injury that she didn’t win a game and retired after just half an hour. Schnyder won 6-0 3-0 as Williams retired injured after giving herself a lot longer on court than many people would have expected.

“I got here yesterday,” Williams said afterwards, “and I was feeling really good. Then just before the match, as I was warming up, I felt something go. I got the trainer to strap it, and I thought I’d be able to play through it, but it just didn’t work.”

Williams, whose run to the final in Moscow last week guaranteed her a place at the Sony Ericsson Championships in Madrid, must now hope the thigh strain heals in the three weeks she has available. Schnyder, meanwhile, moves on to play the winner of the Wednesday afternoon match between Elena Dementieva and Francesca Schiavone.

“I feel a bit sorry for Serena,” said the Swiss, “but I’ve had so many tough draws in recent weeks that I was well geared up for playing her. I felt I played a very good match, even if the opposition wasn’t at the level we were all expecting.”

Elsewhere, Amélie Mauresmo won her first match for four tournaments when she beat Eleni Daniilidou 6-4 4-6 6-3 to keep alive her slim chances of qualifying for Madrid. Among the other winners on day two of the Zurich Open’s main draw were Agnieszka Radwanska who beat the US Open quarter-finalist Shahar Peer.

Donny
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:57 PM
From http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/1/newsroom/stories/?ContentID=1824

So .... what happened? Serena never complained of an injury, she said she's feeling good, which is the same as what Justine did the night before she played the AO final - she said she felt OK.

So what's the difference between the two? :confused: They both said they were feeling fine the night before they played and then both retired the next day. Why is Serena saying "that she felt good the night before" OK, but Justine saying the same, not OK? :shrug:

Any answers please?


“I got here yesterday,” Williams said afterwards, “and I was feeling really good. Then just before the match, as I was warming up, I felt something go. I got the trainer to strap it, and I thought I’d be able to play through it, but it just didn’t work.”


The way it's described, she got injured moments before she was set to go oncourt.

supergrunt
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:57 PM
make of it what you will

AnnaK_4ever
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:57 PM
After what Henin did in the AO and Fed Cup finals in 2006 her fans should not judge other players decisions. Henin's retirements were the epitome of unprofessional and unsportsmanlike behaviour.

Donny
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:58 PM
After what Henin did in the AO and Fed Cup finals in 2006 her fans should not judge other players decisions. Henin's retirements were the epitome of unprofessional and unsportsmanlike behaviour.

Wait, what'd she do in the Fed Cup Final?

taddict
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:58 PM
Everything is for juju down to her childhood, marriage, mysterious virus hookups and just life period.

Strange ... they have so much in common ... because we also hear about the Williams' family sob story :sobbing:

Denise4925
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:58 PM
Let's get 1 thing straight, im here on my own name, ns_Henin, and i make this my own thread, nothing related to Justine's Bandwagon. No need to bring the 'justine's fans' words.

:tape: Maybe there's a language barrier. :haha:

supergrunt
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:58 PM
I think that even if Patty played the match of her life, she would still not beat Serena 0 and 0.

50Sense
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:00 PM
Serena's not going to lose any sleep over this. Patty Schnyder isn't going to lose any sleep over this. I'd suggest that all of you do the same and get over it.

Denise4925
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:01 PM
To be clear, I am not a Justine fan and I am not the thread starter, and the thread starter is targeting Serena for the reason I mentioned. Serena is the first major name to have retired on a similar score and the most of the debates here are Serena fans insulting Justine and vice versa so Serena is an obvious target and more than serena its the fans on this forum. And the one committing crime first is always on the backfoot. The thread is more of a reaction rather than hypocrisy. When I am arguing with some fact I am not hypocrite. I never said Serena's injury is fake. You can say the standards taken by me are different if they are. In this case they are not.

I dont think any player ever read this forum, its the fans going over the top.

Utter and total :bs:

Mephisto
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:01 PM
After what Henin did in the AO and Fed Cup finals in 2006 her fans should not judge other players decisions. Henin's retirements were the epitome of unprofessional and unsportsmanlike behaviour.

I think most of us find it funny that Serena can do what she wants, she's doing the right decision and dare you if you critizise her but if Justine does the same thing most of the Serena fans go nuts and act if it's the end of the world ....

taddict
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:02 PM
The way it's described, she got injured moments before she was set to go oncourt.

and Justine was doubled-up in pain during the night and before the match, so she took more anti-inflammatories :rolleyes: which was causing the pain in the first place.

So what's the difference please?

G1Player2
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:03 PM
To be clear, I am not a Justine fan and I am not the thread starter, and the thread starter is targeting Serena for the reason I mentioned. Serena is the first major name to have retired on a similar score and the most of the debates here are Serena fans insulting Justine and vice versa so Serena is an obvious target and more than serena its the fans on this forum. And the one committing crime first is always on the backfoot. The thread is more of a reaction rather than hypocrisy. When I am arguing with some fact I am not hypocrite. I never said Serena's injury is fake. You can say the standards taken by me are different if they are. In this case they are not.

I dont think any player ever read this forum, its the fans going over the top.

:weirdo:

Donny
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:03 PM
I think most of us find it funny that Serena can do what she wants, she's doing the right decision and dare you if you critizise her but if Justine does the same thing most of the Serena fans go nuts and act if it's the end of the world ....

Retiring in the first match of a tournament and retiring in the last match of a tournament isn't the same thing. I don't know how many times I can say that before you understand.

Mephisto
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:03 PM
Utter and total :bs:

it's funny you don't understand the whole discussion but you try to act smart :lol:

tennis_lover89
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:04 PM
there's no difference, they are always putting excuses for her and if the same happens to a player they don't like they say"oh she's a cheater,she just can't play" :rolleyes:

Denise4925
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:05 PM
Both players were absolutely right to retire. Health comes first. I can really understand them since both careers have been seriously hampered by injuries and illnesses ... I just don't get some Williams Fans who accept Serena's retirement but critizise Justine for her actions. I can still remember some quotes from this messageboard after AO 06: Justine got her ass kicked by Amelie, why couldn't she continue for 3-4 more service games. Hmmmm, why couldn't Serena do the same ?!?!?!? And don't come with the argument Justine did it in a slam final and Serena in the 1st round of a regular tournament. It's the SAME case ... One word: Hypocritical ... :o

That's not the point. So, you're saying that it's okay to open a thread and hypocritically bash a player, because of the actions of her fans during your faves infamous actions? Especially when the main bashers of Justine during that time were Mauresmo fans? :confused: Your post is just total bullshit trying to justify the wrongful actions of a fellow fan.

Mephisto
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:05 PM
Retiring in the first match of a tournament and retiring in the last match of a tournament isn't the same thing. I don't know how many times I can say that before you understand.

Both did it because of health reasons ... I don't thinkt Justine retires because she got her ass kicked. She got her ass kicked from Bartoli as well yet she didn't retire

taddict
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:06 PM
Wait, what'd she do in the Fed Cup Final?

:haha: :haha: You're like a rat down a drainpipe :spit:

I thought you were a tennis fan? Surely you'd know :rolleyes:

Donny
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:06 PM
and Justine was doubled-up in pain during the night and before the match, so she took more anti-inflammatories :rolleyes: which was causing the pain in the first place.

So what's the difference please?

That... she knew she was sick well in advance of the match?

Donny
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:08 PM
Both did it because of health reasons ... I don't thinkt Justine retires because she got her ass kicked. She got her ass kicked from Bartoli as well yet she didn't retire

I don't know why she retired. I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt and believe her when she says she was in too much pain to continue. But she knew she was in pain when she woke up in the morning. She could have just said "I can't play today."

Donny
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:09 PM
:haha: :haha: You're like a rat down a drainpipe :spit:

I thought you were a tennis fan? Surely you'd know :rolleyes:

Sigh...

I'm an ATP fan. Besides Serena's matches, I knew squat about WTA tennis.

Edit: Up until a year ago. The first WTA match I remember watching in earnest was the USO final last year.

taddict
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:09 PM
That... she knew she was sick well in advance of the match?

Didn't Serena have her leg wrapped last week also? She had her leg wrapped but she went dancing! :weird:

Mephisto
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:09 PM
That... she knew she was sick well in advance of the match?

Yeah the day before the match I will confess all my problems in the press conference so that my opponent knows what's wrong with me??? :tape: :help:

taddict
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:11 PM
Sigh...

I'm an ATP fan. Besides Serena's matches, I knew squat about WTA tennis.

I've noticed :tape:

Donny
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:11 PM
Didn't Serena have her leg wrapped last week also? She had her leg wrapped but she went dancing! :weird:

The wrapping in previous matches was a precaution, no?

Denise4925
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:12 PM
http://photos.friendster.com/photos/69/90/10170996/1_136046761l.jpg

:weirdo: Does this make sense to anybody but ns_Henin. :tape: :o

Mephisto
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:13 PM
The wrapping in previous matches was a precaution, no?

And Justine taking NSAIDs to cure her shoulder injury during the AUS Open was what ????

Donny
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:13 PM
I've noticed :tape:

Because I don't know the outcome of a match I can't even see with my current television package?

taddict
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:14 PM
The wrapping in previous matches was a precaution, no?

But she was limping in those matches last week, even the commentators said so. They even said that they thought she'd retire in one of the matches.

Denise4925
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:14 PM
I think that Justine fan started this thread because he saw the hypocrisy of some Serena fans who argued that Serena did the right thing :rolleyes: ;)

Oh, didn't know you were a mind-reader in addition to being a bullshitter.

Mephisto
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:16 PM
That's not the point. So, you're saying that it's okay to open a thread and hypocritically bash a player, because of the actions of her fans during your faves infamous actions? Especially when the main bashers of Justine during that time were Mauresmo fans? :confused: Your post is just total bullshit trying to justify the wrongful actions of a fellow fan.

I hope this link works ... if not just search for Justine & Mauresmo & AO and you will find endless threads full of Serena Fans bashing Justine like crazy. Don't say something like this if you can easily disproved :wavey: :lol:
http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=217240&highlight=Mauresmo+Justine+AO

PatrickRyan
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:17 PM
And yet Justine pulled out of the Australian Open Final with three games left to go.

Denise4925
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:18 PM
Everything has to do with it :wavey:

Oh really? It's okay to bash a player because her fans want her to stop playing because something seems wrong? The player knows that her fans are urging her on a message board to stop playing and she does, so she deserves to be bashed about unsportsmanlike conduct by the fan of a player who is the epitome of unsportsmanlike behavior? Okay...whatever :rolleyes:

Denise4925
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:24 PM
From http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/1/newsroom/stories/?ContentID=1824

So .... what happened? Serena never complained of an injury, she said she's feeling good, which is the same as what Justine did the night before she played the AO final - she said she felt OK.

So what's the difference between the two? :confused: They both said they were feeling fine the night before they played and then both retired the next day. Why is Serena saying "that she felt good the night before" OK, but Justine saying the same, not OK? :shrug:

Any answers please?

Are you totally retarded? Serena fans did not start this thread. One last time for the hard of understanding...a Justine fan started this thread to bash Serena for something that Justine has done on at least one occasions. The response to this flame thread by Serena's fans is to point out the hypocrisy of said Justine fan for bashing Serena for doing the same thing Justine did. Period...end of story. Comprende??? :rolleyes:

Justineladivine
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:24 PM
I should know better than to try and sail these muddy waters. However I'll give a try just the same.
1) Double standards is an issue which is perenially mentioned on this board and rightly so.
2) Was Justine in terrible pain at the time of the AO fiasco. Nobody will ever know.
3) It didn't stop an enormous lot of people on this board from lashing out at her, claiming it was a mere tummy ache even though they weren't under her skin in the first place.
4) Did the American press pounce on Justine for doing so? Sure they did. I doubt they would have sung the same tune had it been ANY of their own athletes being involved in the same situation, though.
5) Nobody was in Serena's shoes today except herself and the decision to give it all up is strictly hers. I haven't got a clue about what happened and wouldn't waste any energy trying to make guesses about it let alone discuss it endlessly up here or anywhere else for that matter. It's really no big deal in the grand scheme of things.
6) AnnaKforever, get your facts straight. You may criticise or think the worst of Justine for the A0 pullout, it's your privilege (as mine is to believe she shouldn't have got the flak she did in the circumstances).
But about the FedCup : if it hadn't been for Justine Belgium would have never made it to the final in the first place.
And during the final Justine won her two matches. Unfortunately KIrsten didn't (and I'd never blame her for it). And even though Justine was at the end of her tether, Maes thought it wise to put Justine into the doubles instead of a less experienced but fresher player, like his own namesake C. Maes. If there's a person who shouldn't be blamed for Belgium's final loss, it's most definitely Justine.
7) I've had my say. Not that it should change anybody's mind on the issue but... anyway, cheers everybody

Diesel
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:25 PM
:lol: :haha::haha::haha:Serena's not even playing well and again Justine name is brought up. Shouldn't Justine fans be happy with the fact that Justine is #1 and winning now? I mean it's like everything involving Serena has to be linked to Justine by her fans. :tape::lol:

You would think so, but as I've been told, they have a score to settle with the Serena Nation :lol:

Denise4925
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:26 PM
She did leave the court at the end of the first set.

Either you never saw the match or you are making up lies .... which one is it?

Neither...I was talking about when she retired the match. She sat in her chair until the awards ceremony. :rolleyes:

Yikes!!! :help: :tape: :lol:

Mina Vagante
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:27 PM
And yet Justine pulled out of the Australian Open Final with three games left to go.

:lol: I KNOW!

Donny
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:28 PM
4) Did the American press pounce on Justine for doing so? Sure they did. I doubt they would have sung the same tune had it been ANY of their own athletes being involved in the same situation, though.


Right, because the US media NEVER EVER says anything negative about Serena.

Serena!
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:30 PM
obviously something was wrong with her if she only won ten points in nine games..

Denise4925
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:30 PM
it's funny you don't understand the whole discussion but you try to act smart :lol:

Hon, it's you who's not getting it. :tape: :lol:

Mephisto
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:32 PM
Oh really? It's okay to bash a player because her fans want her to stop playing because something seems wrong? The player knows that her fans are urging her on a message board to stop playing and she does, so she deserves to be bashed about unsportsmanlike conduct by the fan of a player who is the epitome of unsportsmanlike behavior? Okay...whatever :rolleyes:

Sorry I don't know why you don't at least get my point of view. Of course you don't need to agree with me, that's not what I'm aiming at. I just want to point out that everyone on this board including many Serena Fans bashed Justine for what she did ... retiring in a tennis match. But now Serena quit a match propably because she's injured and most of her fans find it completly right because she shouldn't risk any more trouble with her knee or something else ... Why don't you understand that ??? If this is not hypocritical than I don't know ... And just for your information I'm NOT bashing Serena and I don't denounce what she did. But what some Serena fans do is just hypocritical ... That is the whole point of this thread

Denise4925
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:34 PM
But she was limping in those matches last week, even the commentators said so. They even said that they thought she'd retire in one of the matches.

Dancing after Moscow...Limping during the matches? Which one is it?

Denise4925
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:36 PM
I hope this link works ... if not just search for Justine & Mauresmo & AO and you will find endless threads full of Serena Fans bashing Justine like crazy. Don't say something like this if you can easily disproved :wavey: :lol:
http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=217240&highlight=Mauresmo+Justine+AO

Oh, you show one thread and say that there were endless threads. Okay...whatever :rolleyes: Also, this is supposed to prove that Momo's fans didn't bash Justine for her foulness during the AO '06?

Moreover, the person who started the thread that you have linked is not even a Serena or WS fan. Plus, it's only an article that a lot of people, INCLUDING OTHER FAN BASES besides WS fan base agreed with, so you prove nothing tangible.

:wavey: :lol:

Diesel
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:38 PM
Strange ... they have so much in common ... because we also hear about the Williams' family sob story :sobbing:

Really? Cause everytime I hear anything about the sister's past it's about how it's empowered them and not given them the sense of entitlement like with juju to mess everyone over :)

Mephisto
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:39 PM
Are you totally retarded? Serena fans did not start this thread. One last time for the hard of understanding...a Justine fan started this thread to bash Serena for something that Justine has done on at least one occasions. The response to this flame thread by Serena's fans is to point out the hypocrisy of said Justine fan for bashing Serena for doing the same thing Justine did. Period...end of story. Comprende??? :rolleyes:

lol not starting that thread makes everything totally diffrent now :lol: Serena trolls bashed Justine ... period .... You are not getting the discussion... it makes no sense to talk with you ... And I need to learn something for my study ... :cool:

Aaron.
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:40 PM
What a sore loser. Serena she's fine, she doesn't got injured but she didn't want to finish the match and choose to retire at the middle of the 2nd?? :shrug:
She retired just to avoid a double bagel or a bad scoreline from patty???? :bs:
I cant believe it.. Ultra-unsportmanships performance from Serena.. :rolleyes: :shout: :hysteric::armed: Australian Open 2006 Final Mauresmo def Henin 6-0 2-0 ret.

Enough said just the fuck up and delete the thread now :D

Mephisto
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:41 PM
Oh, you show one thread and say that there were endless threads. Okay...whatever :rolleyes: Also, this is supposed to prove that Momo's fans didn't bash Justine for her foulness during the AO '06?

Moreover, the person who started the thread that you have linked is not even a Serena or WS fan. Plus, it's only an article that a lot of people, INCLUDING OTHER FAN BASES besides WS fan base agreed with, so you prove nothing tangible.

:wavey: :lol:

http://www.wtaworld.com/search.php?searchid=871775&pp=25&page=7

mor on page 6 ... I see at least 13 threads about the AUS Open Final :wavey:

Denise4925
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:45 PM
Sorry I don't know why you don't at least get my point of view. Of course you don't need to agree with me, that's not what I'm aiming at. I just want to point out that everyone on this board including many Serena Fans bashed Justine for what she did ... retiring in a tennis match. But now Serena quit a match propably because she's injured and most of her fans find it completly right because she shouldn't risk any more trouble with her knee or something else ... Why don't you understand that ??? If this is not hypocritical than I don't know ... And just for your information I'm NOT bashing Serena and I don't denounce what she did. But what some Serena fans do is just hypocritical ... That is the whole point of this thread

Are you the thread starter? Oh okay...I DIDN'T THINK SO, so you don't know what the point of this thread is. You just want to make it what you want. Clearly the point of this thread is laid out in the first post and that was to bash Serena for doing something Justine has done in the past. Now, whether Justine was criticized and by whom, is of no relevance in this thread. What is relevant is that a Justine fan has the audacity to criticize and bash a player for unsportsmanlike behavior, when Justine has exhibited the same on quite a few occasions.

Now I get your point, but again, it's irrelevant in this thread, especially when you seemingly have no idea what the thread is about and you can't read the threadstarter's mind to put forth what the intention was, no matter how adament your posts are. :rolleyes:

taddict
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:48 PM
I should know better than to try and sail these muddy waters. However I'll give a try just the same.
1) Double standards is an issue which is perenially mentioned on this board and rightly so.
2) Was Justine in terrible pain at the time of the AO fiasco. Nobody will ever know.
3) It didn't stop an enormous lot of people on this board from lashing out at her, claiming it was a mere tummy ache even though they weren't under her skin in the first place.
4) Did the American press pounce on Justine for doing so? Sure they did. I doubt they would have sung the same tune had it been ANY of their own athletes being involved in the same situation, though.
5) Nobody was in Serena's shoes today except herself and the decision to give it all up is strictly hers. I haven't got a clue about what happened and wouldn't waste any energy trying to make guesses about it let alone discuss it endlessly up here or anywhere else for that matter. It's really no big deal in the grand scheme of things.
6) AnnaKforever, get your facts straight. You may criticise or think the worst of Justine for the A0 pullout, it's your privilege (as mine is to believe she shouldn't have got the flak she did in the circumstances).
But about the FedCup : if it hadn't been for Justine Belgium would have never made it to the final in the first place.
And during the final Justine won her two matches. Unfortunately KIrsten didn't (and I'd never blame her for it). And even though Justine was at the end of her tether, Maes thought it wise to put Justine into the doubles instead of a less experienced but fresher player, like his own namesake C. Maes. If there's a person who shouldn't be blamed for Belgium's final loss, it's most definitely Justine.
7) I've had my say. Not that it should change anybody's mind on the issue but... anyway, cheers everybody

:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

Justineladivine
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:49 PM
Right, because the US media NEVER EVER says anything negative about Serena.
OK, let me explain again.
It may be that they sometimes (or often????) say negative stuff about Serena or other US players for that matter. But I stand by what I said : I doubt that in the same circumstances, they would have given out that much flak had ANY of their players been at the root of the whole commotion.

vejh
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:50 PM
Memphisto, I come to save you from this drudgery....Come Away!! Save yourself!

vejh
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:51 PM
Justineladivine, grab memphisto's hand as we get outta here.

Denise4925
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:51 PM
http://www.wtaworld.com/search.php?searchid=871775&pp=25&page=7

mor on page 6 ... I see at least 13 threads about the AUS Open Final :wavey:

That doesn't prove that only Serena fans bashed Justine for her unsportsmanlike behavior during the AO '06 final. It proves that many articles were written about it. It proves that there were many discussions about it on WTAworld. It proves that many fanbases, including Serena/WS fan base thought what Justine did was foul. :shrug: I'm sorry...you can't blame the Serena fan base or Serena for the criticism she received after the AO '06 final.

Justineladivine
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:52 PM
Justineladivine, grab memphisto's hand as we get outta here.

Right you are. I'm gone now.

Mephisto
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:53 PM
Justineladivine, grab memphisto's hand as we get outta here.

:lol: Thanx ... I think that was the last time I try to discuss something in GM ;)

Aaron.
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:54 PM
http://i19.tinypic.com/50454ev.gif

taddict
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:56 PM
Neither...I was talking about when she retired the match. She sat in her chair until the awards ceremony. :rolleyes:

Yikes!!! :help: :tape: :lol:

Moreover, her tummy was hurting yet she never left the court and seemed fine at the awards ceremony.

http://www.wtaworld.com/showpost.php?p=11843542&postcount=64

:bs: :bs: :bs:

No you were not talking about when she retired the match, plus, if you never saw it how do you know she sat in her chair until the awards ceremony? :rolleyes:

You clearly state "her tummy was hurting yet she never left the court" and then you say she seemed fine at the awards ceremony. Therefore you are talking about two occasions in your above statement, but when I caught you out on it, you change it to one occasion.

Yet another lie? :rolleyes:

taddict
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:57 PM
Right, because the US media NEVER EVER says anything negative about Serena.

Didn't you just say in another post that she was the most loved athlete in the US? :scratch:

athake
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:00 PM
:lol: Thanx ... I think that was the last time I try to discuss something in GM ;)

discuss something in GM :)

"u can never discuss with aquarium fish on what had happened 10 sec before."

taddict
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:00 PM
Dancing after Moscow...Limping during the matches? Which one is it?

Both! Didn't you read her blog and watch her matches last week? :rolleyes:

taddict
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:03 PM
Right you are. I'm gone now.

I'll come with ...

bie
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:07 PM
AO Final : Justine was ill and couldn't play no more.
Today: Serena was injured and couldn't play no more.
They both won't jeopardize their further careers for obvious reasons, they're professionals after all.
What IS the problem with some of you people, not accepting this without hatred towards the other player? :confused:
We don't know how they felt on that particular day, do we?
It is ease to condemn from behind our screans without us lifting a racket in pain. :rolleyes:

Denise4925
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:07 PM
http://www.wtaworld.com/showpost.php?p=11843542&postcount=64

:bs: :bs: :bs:

No you were not talking about when she retired the match, plus, if you never saw it how do you know she sat in her chair until the awards ceremony? :rolleyes:

You clearly state "her tummy was hurting yet she never left the court" and then you say she seemed fine at the awards ceremony. Therefore you are talking about two occasions in your above statement, but when I caught you out on it, you change it to one occasion.

Yet another lie? :rolleyes:

OMG :eek: :haha: How old are you?

Okay, whether you believe me or not, that was the intention of my statement, i.e. that she didn't leave the court after she retired. If it didn't come out like that, sorry. I have no reason to lie about it. I honestly couldn't care less whether you believe me or not.

You also left out a very crucial part of my post that ties it all in together to prove that I was talking about after she retired from the match, and that is the following:

Moreover, her tummy was hurting yet she never left the court and seemed fine at the awards ceremony. If my tummy hurt and I had to quit a GS final, I'd be in the bathroom doing one thing or another to get relief, as most humans do.

Also, I didn't not say I didn't see the match. You've assumed that for I don't know what reason. Also, you clearly show my exact quote, so there's no need for you to embelish it in your own words in your last paragraph in order to make it seem like I'm lying. :lol: So...whatever

Denise4925
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:11 PM
Both! Didn't you read her blog and watch her matches last week? :rolleyes:

Well, I didn't read her blog and they only showed the semi and final of the Kremlin here in the US, and I didn't see her limping, nor did the commentators on TTC mention that she was. They did mention her thigh being wrapped as a precautionary measure.

Are your eyes okay? :lol:

taddict
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:11 PM
OMG :eek: :haha: How old are you?

Okay, whether you believe me or not, that was the intention of my statement, i.e. that she didn't leave the court after she retired. If it didn't come out like that, sorry. I have no reason to lie about it. I honestly couldn't care less whether you believe me or not.

Also, I didn't not say I didn't see the match. You've assumed that for I don't know what reason. Also, you clearly show my exact quote, so there's no need for you to embelish it in your own words in your last paragraph in order to make it seem like I'm lying. :lol: So...whatever

What has my age got to do with it? I know that's a defensive tactic, most definitely.

So tell me, why ask my age and please explain the reason why.

Denise4925
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:12 PM
discuss something in GM :)

"u can never discuss with aquarium fish on what had happened 10 sec before."

I guess not when the aquarium fish happen to be Justine fans. :wavey:

taddict
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:13 PM
Well, I didn't read her blog and they only showed the semi and final of the Kremlin here in the US, and I didn't see her limping, nor did the commentators on TTC mention that she was. They did mention her thigh being wrapped as a precautionary measure.

Are your eyes okay? :lol:

Can you not discuss anything without getting personal on someone?

How old am I, are my eyes OK?

Is that the only answer you have or have you run out of :bs: to spray?

taddict
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:15 PM
I guess not when the aquarium fish happen to be Justine fans. :wavey:

There you go again ..... can you not answer without an insult? Why insult? :confused:

AnnaK_4ever
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:15 PM
6) AnnaKforever, get your facts straight. You may criticise or think the worst of Justine for the A0 pullout, it's your privilege (as mine is to believe she shouldn't have got the flak she did in the circumstances).
But about the FedCup : if it hadn't been for Justine Belgium would have never made it to the final in the first place.
And during the final Justine won her two matches. Unfortunately KIrsten didn't (and I'd never blame her for it). And even though Justine was at the end of her tether, Maes thought it wise to put Justine into the doubles instead of a less experienced but fresher player, like his own namesake C. Maes. If there's a person who shouldn't be blamed for Belgium's final loss, it's most definitely Justine.


Which facts should I get straight? :confused:
Henin did quit in the 5th rubber of Fed Cup final. It's a fact.
From my point of you it was a shameful and unsportsmanlike act, like I said before. It's my opinion.

MisterMan
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:17 PM
My God how the mightly have fallen in the eyes of once adoring fans. Myself included.
After the "Henin Lucky Shots" incident I didn't think she could sink any lower.
She had BETTER get some xray's or MRI's up online to shut us up. If not...eek.

Denise4925
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:19 PM
What has my age got to do with it? I know that's a defensive tactic, most definitely.

So tell me, why ask my age and please explain the reason why.

Frankly, because you sound so immature and undereducated when it comes to reasoning and analysis in debates. Also, you don't sound like you're very wordly.

P.S. I edited the post you're referring to in this post. :wavey:

Denise4925
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:21 PM
There you go again ..... can you not answer without an insult? Why insult? :confused:

See this is why I ask how old you were. Did you not read the post I responded to, implying that the other posters (I assume Serena fans defending Serena) were aquarium fish? Or, did you just concentrate on my reply and run with it? And, where was the question to be answered in that post I was replying to?? :lol:

Marcus1979
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:23 PM
I wonder how Serena fans feeling right now, because their player just do an unsportmanships action just like how they claimed Justine. Karma is bitch, and it's come to you with love, 6-love 3-love! Feel it and enjoy it mwahahahahaha!

what Justine did was still worse I mean she quit in a Grand Slam Final. Look at all the people who would of paid for tickets for that match and she took off Amelie the ability to win her first slam she basically gave it to her which is not how she would of wanted to win it.

Serena quit in the opening round of a regular tour events you can't even compare the two incidents.

Denise4925
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:23 PM
Can you not discuss anything without getting personal on someone?

How old am I, are my eyes OK?

Is that the only answer you have or have you run out of :bs: to spray?

:haha: :haha: :haha: I ask if your eyes were okay, because you keep rolling them. :shrug:

taddict
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:27 PM
Frankly, because you sound so immature and undereducated when it comes to reasoning and analysis in debates.

Why? What did I say or didn't say to bring you to that conclusion?

BTW, I think I sound more mature than you because I don't insult the poster, I try to discuss the facts! When a person insults in a discussion or disagreement, it's a well known fact that it's because they do not have an answer and the only way they can answer is by insulting :tape: which it seems is what you have done above. :wavey:

Also, you don't sound like you're very wordly.

If I knew what the word "wordly" meant I might be able to answer you :spit: but that could be because I'm undereducated :spit: :lol:

P.S. I edited the post you're referring to in this post. :wavey:

What did you edit?

taddict
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:28 PM
See this is why I ask how old you were. Did you not read the post I responded to, implying that the other posters (I assume Serena fans defending Serena) were aquarium fish? Or, did you just concentrate on my reply and run with it? And, where was the question to be answered in that post I was replying to?? :lol:

Gosh, there really is no point is there?

rottweily
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:34 PM
After what Henin did in the AO and Fed Cup finals in 2006 her fans should not judge other players decisions. Henin's retirements were the epitome of unprofessional and unsportsmanlike behaviour.

It is truly disgusting that you try to criticize Justine for her retirement in the Fed Cup doubles finals, did you even watch it??
Now I understand your sudden change in your best active singles career thread, you couldn't cope with Justine becoming #1, out of pure hate. Well your beloved number one now also has a retirement...
What are you going to do, hate Serena also now and change you rating scheme again to make sure both Justine and Serena are not #1, well good luck, I won't watch that subjective bullshit anymore and advice any Justine fan to do the same.

Truly disgusting.

rjd1111
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:40 PM
I can't imagine Justine tanking a match like this.
She is the ultimate professional. The greatest of her generation.


Tell that to MOMo. AO 06'

Denise4925
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:42 PM
Why? What did I say or didn't say to bring you to that conclusion?

Everything. The way you argue. Usually when people don't answer and wonder why someone says something like that, they are insecure about it. So, I assume you are very young. :)

BTW, I think I sound more mature than you because I don't insult the poster, I try to discuss the facts! When a person insults in a discussion or disagreement, it's a well known fact that it's because they do not have an answer and the only way they can answer is by insulting :tape: which it seems is what you have done above. :wavey:

Okay, but as you can see I have a lot to say. :)



If I knew what the word "wordly" meant I might be able to answer you :spit: but that could be because I'm undereducated :spit: :lol:

Opps, now you've gone and done it... got me on a typo. Wow, what skills. ;)

The word is "WORLDLY". Do you know what that means?



What did you edit?

Go back and see.

Dasha_
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:47 PM
So good to see you again, Denise!!!! :kiss: :bounce:

vejh
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:47 PM
I don't think you understand Rottweily... there are priorities in one's life: 1) Completing a GS final 2) Completing a final FC match 3) Pleasing the ticketholders ......20) Take care of your health.

Oh, and you also don't get that the urgency and importance of a health scare is inversely related to the importance of the match. Ergo one's health scare in a GS is graded as such:
non-GS nonfinal> GS non-final> non-GS final>GS final.

You gotta learn the rules of the game. Check www.wtaworldtour.com; it's right there in black and white!!

You obviously don't get this scheme, b/c you keep making excuses based on a measly health scare. Get your priorities straight!!

Conor
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:48 PM
I dont think this was a wise thread *cough AO 06* :help:

Denise4925
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:48 PM
So good to see you again, Denise!!!! :kiss: :bounce:

Thanks Dasha, you too sweetie :kiss:

Denise4925
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:49 PM
I dont think this was a wise thread *cough AO 06* :help:

Gosh, finally someone besides Crow and Serena fans get it.

taddict
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:50 PM
Everything. The way you argue. Usually when people don't answer and wonder why someone says something like that, they are insecure about it. So, I assume you are very young. :)

So you are saying that everyone should argue like you. Ever heard the saying "a still tongue makes a wise head" :) No ... don't suppose you have :lol:

Assume = ASS out of U and ME



Okay, but as you can see I have a lot to say. :)

See my quote above regarding "still tongue"





Opps, now you've gone and done it... got me on a typo. Wow, what skills. ;)

The word is "WORLDLY". Do you know what that means?

Now who sounds immature? Certainly not me! :lol:

I knew it was worldly all along .... :haha: Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit :help:






Go back and see.

Not worth the energy. I've seen enough of your posts for one day thank you very much. Good night :wavey:

DavidEllul
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:51 PM
can't believe some ppl here are still bashing justine with that AO final as if she would give a shit to your opinion

Denise4925
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:53 PM
So you are saying that everyone should argue like you. Ever heard the saying "a still tonger makes a wise head" :) No ... don't suppose you have :lol:

Assume = ASS out of U and ME





See my quote above regarding "still tonger"







Now who sounds immature? Certainly not me! :lol:

I knew it was worldly all along .... :haha: Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit :help:








Not worth the energy. I've seen enough of your posts for one day thank you very much. Good night :wavey:

Yikes :help: :tape:

Dasha_
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:54 PM
So you are saying that everyone should argue like you. Ever heard the saying "a still tonger makes a wise head" :) No ... don't suppose you have :lol:

Assume = ASS out of U and ME





See my quote above regarding "still tonger"







Now who sounds immature? Certainly not me! :lol:

I knew it was worldly all along .... :haha: Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit :help:








Not worth the energy. I've seen enough of your posts for one day thank you very much. Good night :wavey:



But all this quoting was worth the energy... !?!?!?!

Just addmit, you don't have any argument

jawadde
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:55 PM
Are you the thread starter? Oh okay...I DIDN'T THINK SO, so you don't know what the point of this thread is. You just want to make it what you want. Clearly the point of this thread is laid out in the first post and that was to bash Serena for doing something Justine has done in the past. Now, whether Justine was criticized and by whom, is of no relevance in this thread. What is relevant is that a Justine fan has the audacity to criticize and bash a player for unsportsmanlike behavior, when Justine has exhibited the same on quite a few occasions.

Now I get your point, but again, it's irrelevant in this thread, especially when you seemingly have no idea what the thread is about and you can't read the threadstarter's mind to put forth what the intention was, no matter how adament your posts are. :rolleyes:

I think the point of the threadstarter is obvious.. :rolleyes: and if you're not getting it, it is not worth the discusion. Wast of time

AnnaK_4ever
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:55 PM
It is truly disgusting that you try to criticize Justine for her retirement in the Fed Cup doubles finals, did you even watch it??
Now I understand your sudden change in your best active singles career thread, you couldn't cope with Justine becoming #1, out of pure hate. Well your beloved number one now also has a retirement...
What are you going to do, hate Serena also now and change you rating scheme again to make sure both Justine and Serena are not #1, well good luck, I won't watch that subjective bullshit anymore and advice any Justine fan to do the same.

Truly disgusting.

What a huge loss for me!!! :tears:

rottweily
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:55 PM
I dont think this was a wise thread *cough AO 06* :help:

It is very wise, I don't criticize Justine AND Serena for the retirements. Just want to point out the obvious hypocrisy of some people.
And this is my last post here, this thread will end nowhere like 99.9% of the threads in GM.

taddict
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:59 PM
It is truly disgusting that you try to criticize Justine for her retirement in the Fed Cup doubles finals, did you even watch it??
Now I understand your sudden change in your best active singles career thread, you couldn't cope with Justine becoming #1, out of pure hate. Well your beloved number one now also has a retirement...
What are you going to do, hate Serena also now and change you rating scheme again to make sure both Justine and Serena are not #1, well good luck, I won't watch that subjective bullshit anymore and advice any Justine fan to do the same.

Truly disgusting.

Ahhh so that was the reason why! Thanks for letting on :yeah:

DavidEllul
Oct 16th, 2007, 11:00 PM
I don't hate serena at all and i hope she can get better soon, but some of her fans are just pathetic :p

Svetlana.
Oct 16th, 2007, 11:01 PM
Serena proved one more time that she does not care what others think about her... including her fans ;)

Conor
Oct 16th, 2007, 11:02 PM
It is very wise, I don't criticize Justine AND Serena for the retirements. Just want to point out the obvious hypocrisy of some people.
And this is my last post here, this thread will end nowhere like 99.9% of the threads in GM.

Why so Justine and Serena fans can bicker some more? Threads like these are just asking for trouble.

GogoGirl
Oct 16th, 2007, 11:53 PM
Why so Justine and Serena fans can bicker some more? Threads like these are just asking for trouble.

All,

I agree CONOR. Wouldn't it be fantabulous if the MODs would create a forum where nothing but the matches in of themselves would be talked about and not the trashing of players? What is wrong w/an idea like that? It would be against that forum's rules for anyone to enter it with all the tic for tac, negative and mean spirited stuff that goes on in General Messages. It would be forum where all of us like minded tennis fans didn't spin everything in favor for our faves and against other players. It would be a place where we interacted in a such a manner where we just discussed the matches and the outcomes of them, to include, ranking points, head to heads, et al. It would be a place where no one brought up the race of players. It would be a place where we credited players that won - and wished the ones that lost - better luck next time.

We could still critigue the matches - and mention what a particular player could have done differently and so on. But there would be no in-fighting. No cursing and swearing. No poster bashing and baiting. Oh - what a peaceful time it would be. I commend the ones that don't interject negativity in some of these threads. It's almost like some folks lives depends on their thrashing players and posters they don't like. I have never completely understood why it is so, when the odds are strong, that the players they defend or trash - don't even know they are alive.

Again - it would be a place where like minds could come together and put the sport first, period. I love the game. And when Venus, Serena & Lindsay leave it for good, I'll still enjoy it.

Speaking of Kim, she was always one of my faves. And I miss her. I miss her because of her game and what she brought to the table. Everyone is different. It would be a dull world - if everyone was the same. Most of us all have our own special and unique gifts. But not those who hate. They never will.

bridgepea
Oct 17th, 2007, 12:06 AM
To the idiot who started this thread. if you were watching the match any at all you could clearly see that Serena was injured. Even her opponent indicated that she was clearly injured. Over on tennis.com there is a direct quote from Patty Schnyder about Serena's condition. Patty even said that she was surprised that Serena was playing. Also, Patty said that even though Serena was clearly injured you could see that she was trying and trying and trying. Now flash back to AO 2006 and see what was happening during that match. Justine was being out played at every level of the game. She realised that she had absolutely no answers for Amelie, hence her retiring. Clearly 2 different scenarios.

LudwigDvorak
Oct 17th, 2007, 12:07 AM
http://wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=312252

This is an interesting thread.

taddict
Oct 17th, 2007, 12:13 AM
http://wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=312252

This is an interesting thread.

Very :tape:

frontier
Oct 17th, 2007, 12:23 AM
Didn't Serena have her leg wrapped last week also? She had her leg wrapped but she went dancing! :weird:You need help,you obssessive hate is ridiculous and pathetic.:eek: :o :p

dwynn10
Oct 17th, 2007, 12:31 AM
After what Henin did in the AO and Fed Cup finals in 2006 her fans should not judge other players decisions. Henin's retirements were the epitome of unprofessional and unsportsmanlike behaviour.

Yes, Henin fans really can't live in a glass house. Her retirement at the 2006 AO, thus, depriving Mauresmo of a clear-cut first Slam championship, was obviously of much more import than Serena's first round retirement in Zurich. The actions may have been the same, but the implication of such a decision taken by the retiree at that moment and the impact on the winner's victory were not.

taddict
Oct 17th, 2007, 12:53 AM
You need help,you obssessive hate is ridiculous and pathetic.:eek: :o :p

:spit: Just because I observe something means I hate them? :haha:

PatrickRyan
Oct 17th, 2007, 01:09 AM
And its not like the injury appeared out of nowhere, she had that thight tapped all last week in Russia.

Slumpsova
Oct 17th, 2007, 02:25 AM
she definitely avoided the double bagel but who even fucking cares? :o
she knows she's better than that and it's the right thing to do. period.

winone23
Oct 17th, 2007, 02:46 AM
What a sore loser. Serena she's fine, she doesn't got injured but she didn't want to finish the match and choose to retire at the middle of the 2nd?? :shrug:
She retired just to avoid a double bagel or a bad scoreline from patty???? :bs:
I cant believe it.. Ultra-unsportmanships performance from Serena.. :rolleyes: :shout: :hysteric::armed:

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: At least Serena didn't rob someone of the joy of winning their first slam. It was lowdown and disgusting what Justine did to Momo.

Ntour
Oct 17th, 2007, 02:49 AM
I believe she was obviously injured, and of course there is no point risking more serious injury by playing on

but people bringing up the AO 06 final??? it has nothing to do with serena, its more the fact that ns_henin made this ridiculous thread.

winone23
Oct 17th, 2007, 02:50 AM
So you think its okay to worse your injury when its a Slam Final??? You're so stupid then.. I think NOBODY will risk their career because of what ppl says. Even in a Slam Final.


Venus did in the 03 Wimbledon final, it took a lot of courage for her to play with the type of injury she had, unlike someone we know who bowed out of a slam final that was nearly over because their tummy was a little upset.

Marcus1979
Oct 17th, 2007, 03:03 AM
I believe she was obviously injured, and of course there is no point risking more serious injury by playing on

but people bringing up the AO 06 final??? it has nothing to do with serena, its more the fact that ns_henin made this ridiculous thread.

exactly

most of us are more attacking the thread architect ;)

Junex
Oct 17th, 2007, 03:33 AM
I can't believe the bickering you all are having here...
Haven't you realized that Serena's retirement is just another manifestation of the "WTA-Blogger Curse"

The Kaz
Oct 17th, 2007, 03:46 AM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: At least Serena didn't rob someone of the joy of winning their first slam. It was lowdown and disgusting what Justine did to Momo.

:rolleyes: So Justine is gonna risk her own health for Mauresmo's "joy" (she didnt even deserve the title with 3 retirement but thats other story)?

If Serena was in the same situation as Justine (@ AO 2006) she would of done EXACTLY the same thing.

Get your fucking head out the clouds! :help:

ns_Henin
Oct 17th, 2007, 03:55 AM
Im very happy to see what karma brings to the arrogance of Serena Williams and her fans. Serena she'll never win again and Justine is clearly going to catch her number, pass her and be the greatest of this generation. Serena better go home, get married, gave birth, gain weights, and maybe she'll continue her amateur fashion designer career.

Marcus1979
Oct 17th, 2007, 03:58 AM
:rolleyes: So Justine is gonna risk her own health for Mauresmo's "joy" (she didnt even deserve the title with 3 retirement but thats other story)?

If Serena was in the same situation as Justine (@ AO 2006) she would of done EXACTLY the same thing.

Get your fucking head out the clouds! :help:

altho Venus never did. in 2003 at Wimbledon she played even tho she had a ruptured stomach muscle or something

dwynn10
Oct 17th, 2007, 04:09 AM
:rolleyes: So Justine is gonna risk her own health for Mauresmo's "joy" (she didnt even deserve the title with 3 retirement but thats other story)?

If Serena was in the same situation as Justine (@ AO 2006) she would of done EXACTLY the same thing.

Get your fucking head out the clouds! :help:

So, if you're willing to give Henin the benefit of the doubt that she retired for health reasons, are you giving Serena the same benefit? I'm far from being an apologist for Serena Williams, but just wondering...

ZeroSOFInfinity
Oct 17th, 2007, 04:48 AM
To Williams fans, let me remind you all about a particular event that was similiar to this situation - Fed Cup 2006 Final.

You all should remember that... where some posters (especially Williams fans) were like packs of dogs hunting Justine down for "retiring with injury".

Now, the same happened with Serena - and it's natural Justine fans retaliate back. It's what we called... karma.

Therefore, be nice next time. You might never know what's gonna come in the future.

taddict
Oct 17th, 2007, 04:52 AM
To Williams fans, let me remind you all about a particular event that was similiar to this situation - Fed Cup 2006 Final.

You all should remember that... where some posters (especially Williams fans) were like packs of dogs hunting Justine down for "retiring with injury".

Now, the same happened with Serena - and it's natural Justine fans retaliate back. It's what we called... karma.

Therefore, be nice next time. You might never know what's gonna come in the future.

Didn't Serena retire in Fed Cup this year leaving it all to Venus and Vania King :tape:

switz
Oct 17th, 2007, 04:53 AM
:rolleyes: So Justine is gonna risk her own health for Mauresmo's "joy" (she didnt even deserve the title with 3 retirement but thats other story)?



It's this kind of sentence that makes people take issue with Justine retiring when she did because people like you turn it around to takeaway from Mauresmo's victory. Assuming Justine wasn't sick there is nothing to say that she would have beaten Mauresmo in that final given Amelie went onto beat her again in the Wimbledon final.

And it's hardly Mauresmo's fault Clijsters rolled her ankle while she was down a break in the 3rd set :o although i'm sure some would find a way to blame her.

i'm sure Krajicek would have beaten Mauresmo as well if she didn't get heat exhaustion :o

StarDuvallGrant
Oct 17th, 2007, 04:53 AM
To Williams fans, let me remind you all about a particular event that was similiar to this situation - Fed Cup 2006 Final.

You all should remember that... where some posters (especially Williams fans) were like packs of dogs hunting Justine down for "retiring with injury".

Now, the same happened with Serena - and it's natural Justine fans retaliate back. It's what we called... karma.

Therefore, be nice next time. You might never know what's gonna come in the future.

First you shouldn't assume this grudge match started with Williams fans. Second, you should spread your advice around to Justine fans and remember karma and that there always is a future where you never know what will happen but that you may be on the other side.

switz
Oct 17th, 2007, 04:56 AM
It's what we called... karma.


and it's what a lot of other people would call pointless back and forth bitching by people with nothing better to do :)

karimcartoon
Oct 17th, 2007, 05:14 AM
quit contracting yourselfs. Yes they both retired but maybe both of them were because of HEALTH issues. OK? get it over with. Also, justine does seem to appear sick when she's losing matches and as someone else said before, serena leads the tour with the most retirements. So its even.

DimaDinosaur
Oct 17th, 2007, 05:23 AM
How exactly do you know shes not injured?

funny to see her sportsmanship challenged by a Henin fan of all people

AND WE'LL KEEP CHALLENGING IT!!!!! What are you going to do about it???

ALLEZ JUSTINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

homogenius
Oct 17th, 2007, 05:32 AM
No, it isn't the same.

But nonetheless, both Henin and Serena should never have stepped on court if they knew they couldn't give a decent effort.

I agree

homogenius
Oct 17th, 2007, 05:52 AM
:rolleyes: So Justine is gonna risk her own health for Mauresmo's "joy" (she didnt even deserve the title with 3 retirement but thats other story)?

If Serena was in the same situation as Justine (@ AO 2006) she would of done EXACTLY the same thing.

Get your fucking head out the clouds! :help:

If Henin was risking her health she shouldn't have played.Retiring at 1-6, 0-2 was lame, especially in the context of a slam final and Mauresmo first win.Sure something bothered Henin that day (for me she's prone to somatisation and was caught by the stress considering this final was big for her who didn't have a decent result since FO2005)but she was able to compete.She won a hard fought rally with 25 or 30 strokes, one game or two before retiring.This retirement give the occasion (even now than Mauresmo won Wimbledon) to some loser like you to make such sentence and it's why it's not the same to retire in a slam final final or a first round of a random tournie.
In both cases (Justine and Serena macthes), I think they could have finish the match and shouldn't have played if it was to give such a perf.That being said, I can understand some Henin's fans criticizing the way Serena acted and thinking that there is some hypocrisy here.

Helaena
Oct 17th, 2007, 06:22 AM
To the idiot who started this thread. if you were watching the match any at all you could clearly see that Serena was injured. Even her opponent indicated that she was clearly injured. Over on tennis.com there is a direct quote from Patty Schnyder about Serena's condition. Patty even said that she was surprised that Serena was playing. Also, Patty said that even though Serena was clearly injured you could see that she was trying and trying and trying. Now flash back to AO 2006 and see what was happening during that match. Justine was being out played at every level of the game. She realised that she had absolutely no answers for Amelie, hence her retiring. Clearly 2 different scenarios.

ok, i never indulged in any kind of argument, but this one is too much for me so i will try to be as calm and nice as i can be and i will not post anything in this thread after this....;)

HOW DARE YOU! you know nothing of the pain justine was feeling that time...retiring in a GRAND SLAM FINAL is a big and hard decision but she made it for some BIG reason as well...so saying that she's was merely OUTPLAYED that's why she gave up is
BS!!!!!!!!!!

ZeroSOFInfinity
Oct 17th, 2007, 06:28 AM
First you shouldn't assume this grudge match started with Williams fans. Second, you should spread your advice around to Justine fans and remember karma and that there always is a future where you never know what will happen but that you may be on the other side.

Ah,, you cannot say that.... we will never know who started all this, but this topic is mere retaliation over the abuse which Justine fans had endured for the Fed Cup Final topic. I don't condone their actions, but vengence is a part of humanity, and when you desire revenge, you'll do it when the time is right. I can advice them, but listening to it is another thing alltogether.

Marcus1979
Oct 17th, 2007, 06:37 AM
here are the quotes from Patty

"I was checking out the situation a bit and after the first set I kind of suspected she might retire," Schnyder said. "But then I got kind of nervous because in the second set she really started trying."

"Normally she needs a rest after two weeks of tournaments," Schnyder said. "But I like that she came here and tried."

merda2004
Oct 17th, 2007, 06:53 AM
How exactly do you know shes not injured?

funny to see her sportsmanship challenged by a Henin fan of all people


u think she is?i dont think so
someone who is injured does play like this or like the way she played in the last week tournament!!!
its good to have players that u really like and support them but its also good to accept the truth sometimes and not be biased!!!

Marcus1979
Oct 17th, 2007, 07:08 AM
can we admit she was probably tired tho?

karimcartoon
Oct 17th, 2007, 07:35 AM
she tried she couldnt do it. hmmm - i hope she didnt like injure herself more.

Petersmiler
Oct 17th, 2007, 08:32 AM
My boomerang just came back!

hwanmig
Oct 17th, 2007, 09:54 AM
Like I'm even surprise:o, Serena's always made it a point to retire when she is getting pounded on court:rolleyes:.

taddict
Oct 17th, 2007, 10:05 AM
If her injury occurred before the match and then during the match it started affecting her, why did it take her so long to call the trainer? :shrug:

Melly Flew Us
Oct 17th, 2007, 10:15 AM
To Williams fans, let me remind you all about a particular event that was similiar to this situation - Fed Cup 2006 Final.

You all should remember that... where some posters (especially Williams fans) were like packs of dogs hunting Justine down for "retiring with injury".

Now, the same happened with Serena - and it's natural Justine fans retaliate back. It's what we called... karma.

Therefore, be nice next time. You might never know what's gonna come in the future.
it is not karma - karma is something completely different.

it is about retaliation and bitter vindictiveness. which is all good when that is what you aspire to.

chloe-l
Oct 17th, 2007, 10:17 AM
My boomerang just came back!

:lol: