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Il Primo!
Oct 16th, 2007, 05:13 PM
Ex-aequo with Marion.

WTF is that? I mean Mauresmo gets bitchslapped by every journeywoman on the tour while Bartoli is more than likely to be ranked higher by the end of the year (look at the race) and sure did a much better year than Mowmow!

Oh God, she must be gangbanged by the whole French Federeation of Tennis(FFT) to be treated this way. This is clearly an undeserved award and it's pretty shocking, at least according to me.



:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

http://www.fft.fr/cms-fft/?id=2399

FrenchY52
Oct 16th, 2007, 05:14 PM
Barto :haha:

Il Primo!
Oct 16th, 2007, 05:16 PM
PS: I don't like the PhatBartoli but c'mon, something's going on under the table :o

Natalicious
Oct 16th, 2007, 05:16 PM
aww someone gettin mad :awww:


but i think they'll change it at the year end when marion will be ahead a few spots of amelie not only one

Il Primo!
Oct 16th, 2007, 05:26 PM
aww someone gettin mad :awww:


but i think they'll change it at the year end when marion will be ahead a few spots of amelie not only one

:spit:

Not only you're a Mo's fan but you're also stupid :help: BTW, I still hope you find it unfair Nadl!

Natalicious
Oct 16th, 2007, 05:29 PM
:spit:

Not only you're a Mo's fan but you're also stupid :help: BTW, I still hope you find it unfair Nadl!

uhm when did that list come out?

because last week amelie was 1 spot ahead of marion :p
and i guess they're goin by the rankings, no?

Slumpsova
Oct 16th, 2007, 05:33 PM
for god's sake the hype is around her even when she is semi-retire :o

Il Primo!
Oct 16th, 2007, 05:35 PM
uhm when did that list come out?

because last week amelie was 1 spot ahead of marion :p
and i guess they're goin by the rankings, no?

Yeah it was last week and as you said Amémie was one spot ahead. BUT they ranked them ex-aequo. So consedering the fact that Marion is sure to finish first at the rankings, she got fucked!

In fact, FFT tries to hide Amélie's huge failure by this award and I find it very disgusting. :o

Natalicious
Oct 16th, 2007, 05:36 PM
well thats not amelie's fault, isnt it :p

Il Primo!
Oct 16th, 2007, 05:37 PM
for god's sake the hype is around her even when she is semi-retire :o

That's why I hate her. You cannot breathe in France because of her. You can't follow a match in which she's not involved by one way or another. :rolleyes:

Natalicious
Oct 16th, 2007, 05:38 PM
That's why I hate her. You cannot breathe in France because of her. You can't follow a match in which she's not involved by one way or another. :rolleyes:

i guess thats the media's fault not hers.
every country has it favourite player, get over it :shrug:

Il Primo!
Oct 16th, 2007, 05:38 PM
well thats not amelie's fault, isnt it :p

...this has to be discussed... Amélie's best friends (only men) are parts of the FFT:o

Natalicious
Oct 16th, 2007, 05:41 PM
...this has to be discussed... Amélie's best friends (only men) are parts of the FFT:o

and hadnt bartoli's father problems with the FFT?
maybe thats another reason :shrug: who knows why they are not honor marion's achievements this year (who are for sure better than amelie's!)

Il Primo!
Oct 16th, 2007, 05:41 PM
i guess thats the media's fault not hers.
every country has it favourite player, get over it :shrug:

You can't get over Momo when you live in France. That chick in even on the tube wallpapers

Hugo24
Oct 16th, 2007, 05:44 PM
i guess thats the media's fault not hers.
every country has it favourite player, get over it :shrug:

Agree not her fault move on :mad: :tape:

Ceze
Oct 16th, 2007, 05:45 PM
That's why I hate her. You cannot breathe in France because of her. You can't follow a match in which she's not involved by one way or another. :rolleyes:it seems you're still alive though :lol: When are you planning to move abroad? :devil:

hablo
Oct 16th, 2007, 05:45 PM
I agree that Momo should not be ranked no.1.

But you're vocab is just classless really. (No surprise here.)

Oh God, she must be gangbanged by the whole French Federeation of Tennis(FFT) to be treated this way. This is clearly an undeserved award and it's pretty shocking, at least according to me.

Shame on you, le xiax.

Hugo24
Oct 16th, 2007, 05:46 PM
So you are mad because Amelie is more popular and is seen everywhere in France?

Ceze
Oct 16th, 2007, 05:51 PM
oh and maybe I'm biased but I don't think it's unfair. Marion reached the finals at Wimbledon, but nothing else besides. At least Amelie has a title (and a diamonds racket :hearts: ) I don't want to compare them, but Amelie's record this season, even if she's not having a good year, is better than hers: 27/14 (66%) > 42/28 (60%) ;)

Hugo24
Oct 16th, 2007, 05:52 PM
You cant really compare Marion and Amelie . Amelie will always win

nhissan
Oct 16th, 2007, 05:53 PM
Ex-aequo with Marion.

WTF is that? I mean Mauresmo gets bitchslapped by every journeywoman on the tour while Bartoli is more than likely to be ranked higher by the end of the year (look at the race) and sure did a much better year than Mowmow!

Oh God, she must be gangbanged by the whole French Federeation of Tennis(FFT) to be treated this way. This is clearly an undeserved award and it's pretty shocking, at least according to me.



:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

http://www.fft.fr/cms-fft/?id=2399

I agree that Momo should not be ranked no.1.

But you're vocab is just classless really. (No surprise here.)



Shame on you, le xiax.

yeah I agree with you Hablo

grow up le xiax you can't talk like that

Ceze
Oct 16th, 2007, 06:24 PM
btw Franck, it is done according to the results of the players between october 2006 and september 2007. Anyway, who cares of this ranking? :lol:

Serena-rules-no1
Oct 16th, 2007, 06:46 PM
Bartoli sucks, how can france put her name in top of the ranking?

Melly Flew Us
Oct 16th, 2007, 07:04 PM
You cant really compare Marion and Amelie . Amelie will always win
maybe; but this year marion will end the year as the french number one, regardless of what dastardly calculations the fft have made.

i just hope that marion doesn't hold it against amelie; so far she has had nothing but nice things to say about her.

Slumpsova
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:38 PM
disgusting.

The Dawntreader
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:49 PM
Mauresmo will always have top priority in France by the FFT. She's their endearing, Slam-winning golden girl, and will get the award no matter how much her year has bombed:lol:

I do agree though, Bartoli does deserve this accolade much more. She produced one of the most stunning Slam final runs ever:)

Sylvester
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:51 PM
Is there any doubt that Mauresmo in decent shape is 10 times the player Bartoli will ever be?

And I love Cake.

Fired
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:03 PM
oh and maybe I'm biased but I don't think it's unfair. Marion reached the finals at Wimbledon, but nothing else besides. At least Amelie has a title (and a diamonds racket :hearts: ) I don't want to compare them, but Amelie's record this season, even if she's not having a good year, is better than hers: 27/14 (66%) > 42/28 (60%) ;)If we follow the W/L record then Tati should be the #1 cause she's 42-16 (72%) :p

griffin
Oct 16th, 2007, 09:11 PM
She produced one of the most stunning Slam final runs ever:)

Wee bit of exaggeration, I think.

Marion had a better year then Amelie (and big congrats to her! :wavey: ), but if the FFT decides this on October through September rather than January through December...whatever. I don't think we need to make an Oliver Stone movie out of it.

(and speaking of cake - I keep having this mad urge to change the name of Tati's forum to "The Cheescake Factory" :p )

Slumpsova
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:13 PM
Is there any doubt that Mauresmo in decent shape is 10 times the player Bartoli will ever be?

And I love Cake.
even Golovin deserves #1 than Mauresmo. that woman hardly won a match this year :tape:

Linnie
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:13 PM
I hate to break up the hysterics :p, but according to the article on the FFT website, Amélie and Marion are tied for #1 ;):

http://www.fft.fr/cms-fft/?id=2399

Gasquet et le duo Bartoli-Mauresmo au top

Evénement : deux joueuses, Marion Bartoli et Amélie Mauresmo, ont été désignées toutes les deux n°1 française pour l'année 2008. C'est une grande première pour Bartoli, tandis que Mauresmo conserve son rang pour la septièm année consécutive. Chez les messieurs, Richard Gasquet conserve la tête de la hiérarchie nationale pour la troisième année de suite.

Parmi les "mouvements" les plus notables, il faut souligner la progression d'Alizé Cornet (de 13e à 6e), de Paul-Henri Mathieu (de 9e à 2e), de Nicolas Mahut (de 11e à 7e) ou encore de Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (de 24e à 9e). A noter aussi le recul de Sébastien Grosjean (de 3e à 11e).

Alizé Molik
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:17 PM
So Tati and Momo fans don't care about Marion being robbed for the year ending French number 1...big suprise there.

Regardless of xiax colourful use of language, or the obvious fact that Mauresmo is 100 times a better player, I think Marion deserved it this year, and its sad that she didn't get it.

karimcartoon
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:18 PM
big deal. she has the best chance to win the French Open. Just move on ...

Uranus
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:21 PM
Marion deserves to be the only #1 after the year she's had. Many losses then a few good results until the breakthrough at Wimbledon. ^^

Amélie has been bad in slams, unable to defend her 2006 points (even at the beginning), and injured for quite a long time.

new-york
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:22 PM
it's a bit unfair considering that Marion had the better year.
It would have been nice for her to stand alone at the top, for the symbol.

but oh well.

Harvs
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:24 PM
mauresmo is still France's number one player... maybe not by rankings... but come on, Bartoli is not a great player, Mauresmo is. lol.

obviously its a mistake they made... but kind of understandable i think.

LefandePatty
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:48 PM
That sucks ! :weirdo:

Mauresmo has played like shit lately. She was terrible today. :o

2007 : Bartoli >>>>>>>>>> Mauresmo

switz
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:50 PM
for god's sake the hype is around her even when she is semi-retire :o

you're complaining about a player who has won two slams and been at the top of the game for almost ten years being hyped :confused: you'd think that tag would be reserved for a player who's talked about as if she greatest player ever when her biggest title is strasbourg :tape:

*JR*
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:53 PM
I can't wait until PP (Pauline Parmentier, of course) :hearts: surpasses both of them.

homogenius
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:53 PM
Ex-aequo with Marion.

WTF is that? I mean Mauresmo gets bitchslapped by every journeywoman on the tour while Bartoli is more than likely to be ranked higher by the end of the year (look at the race) and sure did a much better year than Mowmow!

Oh God, she must be gangbanged by the whole French Federeation of Tennis(FFT) to be treated this way. This is clearly an undeserved award and it's pretty shocking, at least according to me.



:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

http://www.fft.fr/cms-fft/?id=2399

A fan of gangbang I see.Not sure than Mauresmo shares your phantasms, but who knows ?

switz
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:58 PM
i find it very funny the way some players get so much understanding when they've had tough years with injuries and others just get labeled as "crap".

it's hardly unfair of french tennis federation to show respect to a player who has won two slams and competed for her country with such passion.

if she has bad year next year things will be different but i would be surprised if she does.

raquel
Oct 16th, 2007, 11:00 PM
I hate to break up the hysterics :p, but according to the article on the FFT website, Amélie and Marion are tied for #1 ;):

I think the thread starter meant that when they said "Ex-aequo with Marion"? Either way, she shouldn't be above or joint with Marion IMO. I know Amelie's had her injury troubles this year but Marion's been very consistent and had a huge breakthrough at Wimbledon. It's no secret Amelie is well in with the FFT coaches and establishment and no secret Bartoli is not. Look at the way they wouldn't let her join the French Fed Cup team, despite making a run to the Wimbledon final, because she wanted her father with her. Maybe the FFT were not quite so happy Bartoli made a Wimbledon final her own way rather than under the FFT umbrella. Her face doesn't fit as well as Mauresmo's I think. Whatever this ranking shows I think we know which of these two will look at 2007 and call it a good year.

RJWCapriati
Oct 16th, 2007, 11:26 PM
Thats pathetic

Yasmine
Oct 16th, 2007, 11:29 PM
Jeez, I just cannot believe some haters have nothing else to do than start an idiotic thread about some rankings noone gives a damn about. Some should either get over the fact that yes Amélie is popular in french media and always will be. When was the last time we had a mutliple slam winner, masters winner and #1 on top of it?
You don't like all the hype? then resist the temptation to open and look for articles you can find about her, just to have a go. And making a thread about it is even more pathetic.

:rolleyes:

Linnie
Oct 16th, 2007, 11:33 PM
Jeez, I just cannot believe some haters have nothing else to do than start an idiotic thread about some rankings noone gives a damn about. Some should either get over the fact that yes Amélie is popular in french media and always will be. When was the last time we had a mutliple slam winner, masters winner and #1 on top of it?
You don't like all the hype? then resist the temptation to open and look for articles you can find about her, just to have a go. And making a thread about it is even more pathetic.

:rolleyes:
Agreed :)

The rankings reflect Oct. '06-Oct. '07, not just this year. Amélie made the quarters of two tier 1 tourneys and the YEC final during that time.

Slumpsova
Oct 17th, 2007, 12:52 AM
you're complaining about a player who has won two slams and been at the top of the game for almost ten years being hyped :confused: you'd think that tag would be reserved for a player who's talked about as if she greatest player ever when her biggest title is strasbourg :tape:
Claudine Schaul has nothing to do with this, you :weirdo:

Slumpsova
Oct 17th, 2007, 12:55 AM
i find it very funny the way some players get so much understanding when they've had tough years with injuries and others just get labeled as "crap".

it's hardly unfair of french tennis federation to show respect to a player who has won two slams and competed for her country with such passion.

if she has bad year next year things will be different but i would be surprised if she does.
oh great then why didn't they honour Mary Pierce for the biggest #1 too? bc Mary had a good year in 2005 before she got injured :rolleyes:

switz
Oct 17th, 2007, 03:04 AM
oh great then why didn't they honour Mary Pierce for the biggest #1 too? bc Mary had a good year in 2005 before she got injured :rolleyes:

The situations aren't comparable. Ultimately Marion has had one amazing result this year amongst some other decent ones. I don't see how any sensible person can think that Mauresmo would still not be the french number 1 if not for injuries.

anyone i really don't give a shit. I'm happy for Marion to be number 1. i just don't see the need to bash Amelie because of a decision by the FTA.

Slumpsova
Oct 17th, 2007, 04:36 AM
The situations aren't comparable. Ultimately Marion has had one amazing result this year amongst some other decent ones. I don't see how any sensible person can think that Mauresmo would still not be the french number 1 if not for injuries.

anyone i really don't give a shit. I'm happy for Marion to be number 1. i just don't see the need to bash Amelie because of a decision by the FTA.
i didn't bash her. i spoke the truth. she's done nothing to deserve it and the fans need to except that. hell, i don't even like Marion :o

anyway Mauresmo better pulls herself out of this award, or whatever it is, bc i'm sure she isn't proud.

switz
Oct 17th, 2007, 04:41 AM
i didn't bash her. i spoke the truth. she's done nothing to deserve it and the fans need to except that. hell, i don't even like Marion :o

anyway Mauresmo better pulls herself out of this award, or whatever it is, bc i'm sure she isn't proud.

you don't even know what it is about your making a big deal about it? as has been said it's simply an award for the person who picked up the best results from October 2006 to October 2007. Mauresmo made the YEC final in that period and won the Proximus Diamond Games for the 3rd year in a row. I think she pick up more points mathematically. maybe she didn't - i don't care. Go to Geneva at the end of the season and steal it from her give it to Marion (or Nicole if you like)

Yasmine
Oct 17th, 2007, 07:28 AM
It is no award, it's the french tennis federation rankings :shrug: Who seriously gives a damn about it, and why do we need a whole conversation about it?

Marion had a better year than Amélie, noone denies that. Rankings or the way they're done are sometimes silly, this might be one of those cases.

Very smart to use it for bashing without even thinking about what it represents or how important it is :yeah:

ZeroSOFInfinity
Oct 17th, 2007, 07:32 AM
Well, when you have 2 Slams and a YEC under your belt, and your opponent does not, everything you do is platinum while the others are secondary, even though its gold... :tape:

So Disrespectful
Oct 17th, 2007, 07:33 AM
Bartoli ranked higher, more wins, better slam results.

silverwhite
Oct 17th, 2007, 08:37 AM
btw Franck, it is done according to the results of the players between october 2006 and september 2007. Anyway, who cares of this ranking? :lol:

It would make more sense if they did it based on all the results in 2007. But if that's what they do every year, I don't see how this is unfair. :shrug:

suzie
Oct 17th, 2007, 08:43 AM
It would make more if they did it based on all the results in 2007.
It's the FFT - there's no way logic can have a role there. ;)

OF COURSE, Marion had a better year than Amélie! Doesn't exactly take a genius to see that but who cares about a stupid senseless ranking that means nothing? :rolleyes:

Melly Flew Us
Oct 17th, 2007, 09:42 AM
btw Franck, it is done according to the results of the players between october 2006 and september 2007. Anyway, who cares of this ranking? :lol:
of course this national ranking is meaningless. these are professional tennis players competing in international wta events and itf slams.

i love amelie but these are (some of) the facts:
wta ranking points - allied with itf ranking points
marion 2213 oct 2006 - sep 2007
amelie 1995 oct 2006 - sep 2007

obviously there must be some factors other than wta ranking points in the calculations but they are not transparent and thus it is the nature of those factors that is being called into question by sensible posters. haters may apportion the blame to amelie but it has nothing to do with her.

it is the very trivial nature of the issue that could give rise to greater insult - why would the fft care so much, and if it were tati vs amelie would it be the same?
i hope that marion can separate amelie from the fft and not get bitter, because the fft were probably thinking only of amelie not of denigrating marion.

Ceze
Oct 17th, 2007, 12:01 PM
of course this national ranking is meaningless. these are professional tennis players competing in international wta events and itf slams.

i love amelie but these are (some of) the facts:
wta ranking points - allied with itf ranking points
marion 2213 oct 2006 - sep 2007
amelie 1995 oct 2006 - sep 2007I made my own calculations, and between 1st oct 2006 and 30th sep 2007, I have :
2098 for Marion (in 30 tournaments), including 700 pts for Wimbledon 2007,
1995 for Amelie (in 15 tournaments), including 369 pts for YEC 2006.

So you're correct, even with this period of time, Marion is a bit ahead. But with twice as many tournaments as Amelie...

Let's have a look on their best results (QF appearances at least) : Marion had 2 finals (Wimbledon and a tier IV), 3 SF (1 tier II and 2 tiers III), and 3 QF (1 tier I, 1 tier II and 1 tier III) = 8 QF or above in 30 tournaments played.
Amelie had 1 title (tier II), 4 finals (YEC, 2 tiers II, 1 tier III), 1 SF (tier II) and 4 QF (2 tiers I, 2 tiers II) = 10 QF or above in 15 tournaments played.

People tend to think that because Amelie is having some bad results these 3-4 weeks and didn't play this summer, she had a worse season than Marion. But I wouldn't be so affirmative. True, Marion is having the best season of her career (and I hope it will continue next year too). But don't forget how many times she lost in the first round of a tournament this season (even in tiers III...) It is also true that Amelie, on the contrary, is having one of the worst seasons of her career (and I hope she'll bounce back next year). The surgery in March didn't help her this year, that's something sure.

My objective is not to compare these two and to tell which one is the n°1, which one is the n°2, etc. I just want to show that it is not as easy as it seems to be. As you said, we don't know all the factors they used to make this national ranking, but to me (and again, I'm surely biased :p), there is nothing unfair in this decision, both are tied for #1 :) ;)

obviously there must be some factors other than wta ranking points in the calculations but they are not transparent and thus it is the nature of those factors that is being called into question by sensible posters. haters may apportion the blame to amelie but it has nothing to do with her.

it is the very trivial nature of the issue that could give rise to greater insult - why would the fft care so much, and if it were tati vs amelie would it be the same?
i hope that marion can separate amelie from the fft and not get bitter, because the fft were probably thinking only of amelie not of denigrating marion.I totally agree here :yeah:

Sonja
Oct 17th, 2007, 02:10 PM
It's the FFT - there's no way logic can have a role there. ;)

OF COURSE, Marion had a better year than Amélie! Doesn't exactly take a genius to see that but who cares about a stupid senseless ranking that means nothing? :rolleyes:

DITTO! All this fuss seems senseless to me. What I do see as important is that France has a strong tennis base and Amélie, Marion, and Tati are making tennis recognizable in that country. If you're seeing posters everywhere and the girls on tv and one of them in all aspects of life, someone is doing something right! It can only be good for the sport in my eyes.

Amélie is in the twilight of her career and Marion and Tati are young and on their way up the ladder. Let the light shine on them; they all deserve the publicity; their accomplishments will hopefully pave the way for many young French girls to come.