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martyfan
Oct 14th, 2007, 12:01 PM
Who do you think is greater?

martyfan
Oct 14th, 2007, 12:09 PM
I think Sabatini.

Juarito
Oct 14th, 2007, 12:34 PM
Gaby by far!

karimcartoon
Oct 14th, 2007, 12:36 PM
Sabatini

Olórin
Oct 14th, 2007, 12:38 PM
Capriati without a doubt.

Jenny.C.Fan
Oct 14th, 2007, 01:06 PM
Jenny :D

MLF
Oct 14th, 2007, 01:15 PM
I always go by actual achievements so I would have to say Capriati, due to the 3 slam singles titles, Olympic gold medal and #1 ranking. Having seen them both play at their peak though I think Sabatini was the better player which is kind of weird. I think Jenny had the mental fortitude to achieve all the things that Gaby ought to have been able to do with a lttle more mental toughness.

Matt01
Oct 14th, 2007, 01:18 PM
Capriati by far! She also send Gaby into early retirement in Zurich :lol: :devil:

~Cherry*Blossom~
Oct 14th, 2007, 01:19 PM
LMAO, no contest. Capriati by far.

Slutiana
Oct 14th, 2007, 01:23 PM
3 GS and world number 1 vs 1 GS. No contest.

Juarito
Oct 14th, 2007, 01:26 PM
Gaby:
# 27 titles (including 1 GS and 2 YEC)
# 10 years in row as top ten.
# Beated Graf 11 times. (CAPRIATI ONLY 1)
# Beated Navratilova 6 times. (CAPRIATI ONLY 1)
# Beated CAPRIATI 11 TIMES.

IanRadi
Oct 14th, 2007, 01:32 PM
It's a special case because most of people who write here didn't even watch a match of Gabriela in their entire life (which means they didn't the best part of Gaby's career), so it's obvious they will vote for Jennifer.

IanRadi
Oct 14th, 2007, 01:34 PM
Gaby:
# 27 titles (including 1 GS and 2 YEC)
# 10 years in row as top ten.
# Beated Graf 11 times. (CAPRIATI ONLY 1)
# Beated Navratilova 6 times. (CAPRIATI ONLY 1)
# Beated CAPRIATI 11 TIMES.

:hatoff:

AnnaK_4ever
Oct 14th, 2007, 01:35 PM
Capriati by light years.

3 Slams >> 1 Slam
#1 >> #3
Olympics gold > Olympics silver

Mr. Magassi
Oct 14th, 2007, 01:37 PM
Jenny

.Andrew.
Oct 14th, 2007, 01:53 PM
Jennifer.

But Gabriela's top spins :drool: She definitely could've won more GS in her career IMO but she got really unlucky. She does have way more titles than Capriati though but Jennifer has more Grand Slams, gold medal, and #1.

micah63
Oct 14th, 2007, 02:16 PM
Who do you think is greater?


Sabatini.
She was top 10 for 10 years. Has won more tournaments than Capriati (who won 3 vs. 1 slams, though). Gaby would have won more slams if she hadn't played in an era with Navratilova, Graf and Seles.

waterlily_021989
Oct 14th, 2007, 02:28 PM
Gaby

Chrissie-fan
Oct 14th, 2007, 02:44 PM
Capriati. Not by much, but Jen's three slams, Olympic gold and No.1 ranking are ultimately more important than their h2h record and Sabatini's more consistent career IMO.

Zhao
Oct 14th, 2007, 02:46 PM
Sabatini.
She was top 10 for 10 years. Has won more tournaments than Capriati (who won 3 vs. 1 slams, though). Gaby would have won more slams if she hadn't played in an era with Navratilova, Graf and Seles.

i can also say that Capriati would have win afew more slams if she hadn't played in an era with the Williams Sisters :p

Renalicious
Oct 14th, 2007, 02:48 PM
Gaby by far.

micah63
Oct 14th, 2007, 02:51 PM
i can also say that Capriati would have win afew more slams if she hadn't played in an era with the Williams Sisters :p

Which slams?

Poova
Oct 14th, 2007, 02:53 PM
No brainer for me - Capriati.

TeamUSA#1
Oct 14th, 2007, 02:59 PM
Love Gaby, but Jenny by light years

KennyChante4ever
Oct 14th, 2007, 02:59 PM
Based on what criteria?

If it's Grand Slam titles then it goes to Capriati.

If it's overall talent then I choose Sabatini.

If it's being a goodwill amabassador for tennis I vote for Sabatini again.

Olórin
Oct 14th, 2007, 03:07 PM
I also think Capriati was more important for tennis in many ways than Sabatini, which contributes to her being great in my mind. (Not to say Sabatini wasn't a very significant player, but Capriati more so imo.) Capriati with Seles set the template for the modern game of baseline tennis, sure there were great baseliners before, Chris Evert being the most important, and then Steffi Graf taking it to the next level of athleticism, but the way Seles and Capriati simply went "at each other" from the baseline, and the calibre of their shot making...spectacular matches.

Lindsay Davenport has said that she looked at Capriati's game when she was modelling her own, no doubt that 14 year old who could duel with Seles and Graf inspired many a player.

thrust
Oct 14th, 2007, 03:07 PM
I always go by actual achievements so I would have to say Capriati, due to the 3 slam singles titles, Olympic gold medal and #1 ranking. Having seen them both play at their peak though I think Sabatini was the better player which is kind of weird. I think Jenny had the mental fortitude to achieve all the things that Gaby ought to have been able to do with a lttle more mental toughness.

Very good assessment of the two players. Sabatini had a more varied, and prettier game than Capriati but she lacked the power,speed and mental toughness of Jennifer. Seles got cheated by the stabbing, Jennifer cheated herself with her personal problems. Had she stayed away from durgs, Jennifer would have won a few more Slams and spent more weeks as #1.

manu32
Oct 14th, 2007, 03:09 PM
jennifer

micah63
Oct 14th, 2007, 03:28 PM
I also think Capriati was more important for tennis in many ways than Sabatini, which contributes to her being great in my mind. (Not to say Sabatini wasn't a very significant player, but Capriati more so imo.) Capriati with Seles set the template for the modern game of baseline tennis, sure there were great baseliners before, Chris Evert being the most important, and then Steffi Graf taking it to the next level of athleticism, but the way Seles and Capriati simply went "at each other" from the baseline, and the calibre of their shot making...spectacular matches.

Lindsay Davenport has said that she looked at Capriati's game when she was modelling her own, no doubt that 14 year old who could duel with Seles and Graf inspired many a player.


Capriati has won 14 titles, Sabatini 27.
Capriati has won 70.8 % of her matches, Sabatini 76.9 %.
Sabatini has a higher winning percentage on EVERY surface, HC, clay, grass, indoor carpet.
Capriati has 7 top-10 years, Sabatini 10.

BTW: Hopefully you don't want to imply that Seles and Capriati were on the same level of athleticism as Graf.
Or that a 14-year-old Capriati could duel with Seles and Graf.

spencercarlos
Oct 14th, 2007, 03:38 PM
Based on what criteria?

If it's Grand Slam titles then it goes to Capriati.

If it's overall talent then I choose Sabatini.

If it's being a goodwill amabassador for tennis I vote for Sabatini again.
Capriati

Matt01
Oct 14th, 2007, 03:42 PM
Capriati has won 14 titles, Sabatini 27.
Capriati has won 70.8 % of her matches, Sabatini 76.9 %.
Sabatini has a higher winning percentage on EVERY surface, HC, clay, grass, indoor carpet.
Capriati has 7 top-10 years, Sabatini 10.

You have to win the IMPORTANT matches and tournaments. That makes you great, not winning the Micky Mouse/Minnie Mouse tournaments. Sabatini had the longer, more consistant career (hence the stats), but Capriati won the bigger titles (more Slams and the Olympics) and that make her greater. :angel:

AnnaK_4ever
Oct 14th, 2007, 03:44 PM
Capriati has won 14 titles, Sabatini 27.
Capriati has won 70.8 % of her matches, Sabatini 76.9 %.
Sabatini has a higher winning percentage on EVERY surface, HC, clay, grass, indoor carpet.
Capriati has 7 top-10 years, Sabatini 10.


Capriati - 3 Slams
Sabatini - 1 Slam

End of story.

micah63
Oct 14th, 2007, 03:49 PM
You have to win the IMPORTANT matches and tournaments. That makes you great, not winning the Micky Mouse/Minnie Mouse tournaments. Sabatini had the longer, more consistant career (hence the stats), but Capriati won the bigger titles (more Slams and the Olympics) and that make her greater. :angel:


Everybody who watched women's tennis from the mid-80ies to the mid-90ies fondly remembers Gabriela Sabatini and her great matches against Graf and Seles. She was the #3 of #4 player for the greater part of that great era.
Capriati made a minor splash in the early 90ies (got never higher than #5) and had 2 good years in 01/02 (which were transisition years between the Graf and the Williams/Henin years).

With your logic even Pierce would be greater than Sabatini.

micah63
Oct 14th, 2007, 03:50 PM
Capriati - 3 Slams
Sabatini - 1 Slam

End of story.


Then there is no use to discuss greatness.
Court is the greatest ever.
Graf is the greatest of the open era.
Period.

Matt01
Oct 14th, 2007, 03:54 PM
With your logic even Pierce would be greater than Sabatini.

Hmm, let's see:

Gaby: 3 Slam finals, 1 title
Mary: 6 Slam titles, 2 titles

Yep, Mary is definately greater :)

AnnaK_4ever
Oct 14th, 2007, 03:55 PM
With your logic even Pierce would be greater than Sabatini.

Mary IS greater than Sabatini :shrug:

A Magicman
Oct 14th, 2007, 03:56 PM
Capriati vs Moonball-Gaby 6-0, 6-2

homogenius
Oct 14th, 2007, 05:14 PM
Everybody who watched women's tennis from the mid-80ies to the mid-90ies fondly remembers Gabriela Sabatini and her great matches against Graf and Seles. She was the #3 of #4 player for the greater part of that great era.
Capriati made a minor splash in the early 90ies (got never higher than #5) and had 2 good years in 01/02 (which were transisition years between the Graf and the Williams/Henin years).

With your logic even Pierce would be greater than Sabatini.

Capriati had great matches against Seles and beat Graf to win the Olympics in the early 90's, and reached the n°1 spot winning with multiples slams in the early 00's (had to compete with Davenport, Hingis, Venus, Serena etc...). Sure she underachieved in terms of titles won and consistency but she's still better than Sabatini.
Oh and Pierce is indeed greater than Gaby.

TheBoiledEgg
Oct 14th, 2007, 05:54 PM
Capriati vs Moonball-Gaby 6-0, 6-2

LMAO.....Gaby was NOT a moonballer :rolleyes:
H2H gaby kills her

Jen is better player
gaby the better person :kiss: :angel:

hurricanejeanne
Oct 14th, 2007, 05:57 PM
Capriati by light years.

3 Slams >> 1 Slam
#1 >> #3
Olympics gold > Olympics silver

Agreed, Jennifer is better.

spencercarlos
Oct 14th, 2007, 05:57 PM
Capriati had great matches against Seles and beat Graf to win the Olympics in the early 90's, and reached the n°1 spot winning with multiples slams in the early 00's (had to compete with Davenport, Hingis, Venus, Serena etc...). Sure she underachieved in terms of titles won and consistency but she's still better than Sabatini.
Oh and Pierce is indeed greater than Gaby.
Sorry to disagree on this but the only categories that Capriati leads Sabatini are Grand Slams and Number one Ranking (well enough to put her ahead without a doubt), but beyond that head to heads, # of titles, Tier I wins, YEC wins and finals, longer time in the top ten, longer time in the top 3, and doubles carreer and titles, those belong to Gaby and by a great margin.

spencercarlos
Oct 14th, 2007, 06:01 PM
LMAO.....Gaby was NOT a moonballer :rolleyes:
H2H gaby kills her

Jen is better player
gaby the better person :kiss: :angel:
For me Gaby was the more complete player, better overall in all surfaces, she just did not have to face Hingis or Clijsters in slam finals, but always a tough Steffi Graf, one of the top 3 (or top 2) best ever singles player in the game.

Anyway there is no another choice in this poll than Capriati. Period.

homogenius
Oct 14th, 2007, 06:03 PM
Sorry to disagree on this but the only categories that Capriati leads Sabatini are Grand Slams and Number one Ranking (well enough to put her ahead without a doubt), but beyond that head to heads, # of titles, Tier I wins, YEC wins and finals, longer time in the top ten, longer time in the top 3, and doubles carreer and titles, those belong to Gaby and by a great margin.

As you said, she leads in the most important categories and even if I think that Sabatini was a great player with a lot of skills(who should have won more slams, especially at FO), it was easier for top players to be consistent in her era.The few who where at the top where really above the rest (not a great depth in the field).

spencercarlos
Oct 14th, 2007, 06:05 PM
Speaking of Sabatini here some highlights...

Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8AQZ6O7dhs
or via megaupload
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PMH4KJ1C

spencercarlos
Oct 14th, 2007, 06:09 PM
As you said, she leads in the most important categories and even if I think that Sabatini was a great player with a lot of skills(who should have won more slams, especially at FO), it was easier for top players to be consistent in her era.The few who where at the top where really above the rest (not a great depth in the field).
Having to play in an era were Graf, Seles, Navratilova, Sanchez Vicario, EVert were in it is not a easy era to be part of IMO. All of this players were not injured most of the time (of course lets forget 1993 and Seles stabbing but counting her dominant 90-early 93 Period).

This list has at least 3 players among the best top 5 players in the game ever. Graf, Navratilova and Evert. Early 90ties Seles is pretty much in there as well.

homogenius
Oct 14th, 2007, 06:15 PM
Having to play in an era were Graf, Seles, Navratilova, Sanchez Vicario, EVert were in it is not a easy era to be part of IMO. All of this players were not injured most of the time (of course lets forget 1993 and Seles stabbing but counting her dominant 90-early 93 Period).

This list has at least 3 players among the best top 5 players in the game ever. Graf, Navratilova and Evert. Early 90ties Seles is pretty much in there as well.

I didn't say that it was an easy ear, just that except for 5,6 players the rest was kinda poor.Top players were really good, but there was really no depth : in slams upsets were very rares and matches started to be interressant in qf or semi.
Also, I would say that Gaby wasn't that good mentally particularly at FO: some losses were bad (like one against Novotna, I'm not sure of the year, maybe 1990, 91?).She was very good on clay and should have won at least one, even with the great top players on the surface (after all Sanchez did in 1989).

plantman
Oct 14th, 2007, 06:18 PM
Capriati by light years.

3 Slams >> 1 Slam
#1 >> #3
Olympics gold > Olympics silver

:hatoff:

Olórin
Oct 14th, 2007, 06:26 PM
Capriati has won 14 titles, Sabatini 27.
Capriati has won 70.8 % of her matches, Sabatini 76.9 %.
Sabatini has a higher winning percentage on EVERY surface, HC, clay, grass, indoor carpet.
Capriati has 7 top-10 years, Sabatini 10.

BTW: Hopefully you don't want to imply that Seles and Capriati were on the same level of athleticism as Graf.
Or that a 14-year-old Capriati could duel with Seles and Graf.

Hopefully I'll imply whatever the hell I like and express whatever opinion I wish to, on a board of free thought.

And yes during the early 90's Capriati could duel with Graf and Seles from the baseline and match them shot for shot. Unlike say hmmm....Gabby. But Gabby of course had more of an all court game and was a more complete player, so troubled Graf and Seles in other ways.

Btw: Thanks for the stats, but I already knew them. I was actually trying to contribute an original opinion to the thread, rather than churning out the old stats.

IanRadi
Oct 14th, 2007, 06:35 PM
Speaking of Sabatini here some highlights...

Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8AQZ6O7dhs
or via megaupload
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PMH4KJ1C

That's what I call tennis!!! :hatoff::hatoff::hatoff:

homogenius
Oct 14th, 2007, 06:42 PM
Speaking of Sabatini here some highlights...

Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8AQZ6O7dhs
or via megaupload
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PMH4KJ1C

Thanks.Great to see that.

Megkiss!
Oct 14th, 2007, 06:48 PM
I'm North-American, but I had the pleasure of watch Gabriela playing Steffi Graf many times and I must say she is the unique player that knew HOW to play against Graf, THE UNIQUE!

John.
Oct 14th, 2007, 06:51 PM
Capriati is the greater.

I loved Gaby but for me she is the biggest underachiever of all time

FERLKE
Oct 14th, 2007, 07:13 PM
Speaking of Sabatini here some highlights...

Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8AQZ6O7dhs
or via megaupload
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PMH4KJ1C
Gracias:D
Gaby:hearts: :hearts: :kiss:

RJWCapriati
Oct 14th, 2007, 07:17 PM
Capriati

micah63
Oct 14th, 2007, 07:17 PM
Mary IS greater than Sabatini :shrug:



You must be joking ...:confused:

Malin
Oct 14th, 2007, 07:24 PM
Jenny by far, this is not even a good question, she is on a whole other level

it should be who is a better player btw Sabatini and Novotna

micah63
Oct 14th, 2007, 07:24 PM
As you said, she leads in the most important categories and even if I think that Sabatini was a great player with a lot of skills(who should have won more slams, especially at FO), it was easier for top players to be consistent in her era.The few who where at the top where really above the rest (not a great depth in the field).


I disagree.
The notion that 2000 until today there was greater depth in women's tennis is an optical illusion.
Players like Navratilova, Graf and Seles (pre-stabbing and maybe 95/96) simply made the other players look like dwarfs. Comparable to today's men's tennis.

micah63
Oct 14th, 2007, 07:30 PM
I didn't say that it was an easy ear, just that except for 5,6 players the rest was kinda poor.Top players were really good, but there was really no depth : in slams upsets were very rares and matches started to be interressant in qf or semi. ...

Try to prove that.
IMO, top players were upset at least as much 10 or 20 years ago as today.
The only difference is that back then we had 2 or 3 players who were real greats (Navratilova, Graf and - at least for some years - Seles). Have a look at the seeds in the slams and how they were eliminated. At least as much surprises back then as today. Just check how often Shriver, Mandlikova, Sanchez, Novotna, Martinez, Pierce, the Maleevas, Date, Huber, Sukova were successfully ambushed in the early rounds of slam tournaments.

Malin
Oct 14th, 2007, 07:30 PM
Jenny also played in the time of Graf, Seles, etc and won an Olympic gold and was a solid top ten player

micah63
Oct 14th, 2007, 07:38 PM
Hopefully I'll imply whatever the hell I like and express whatever opinion I wish to, on a board of free thought.

And yes during the early 90's Capriati could duel with Graf and Seles from the baseline and match them shot for shot. Unlike say hmmm....Gabby. But Gabby of course had more of an all court game and was a more complete player, so troubled Graf and Seles in other ways.

Btw: Thanks for the stats, but I already knew them. I was actually trying to contribute an original opinion to the thread, rather than churning out the old stats.


You want to prohibit me hoping something???

I don't think Capriati was able to match Graf and Seles "shot for shot".
Otherwise she would have won more than 5 of 24 sets and 1 of 10 matches against Graf in 1990-93.
Seems rather lopsided to me.

Capriati lost her last match to Graf in 1999. 0-6 1-6 ....
Then Graf and Novotna retired, Hingis and Davenport got injuries, the Williams sisters were still maturing.
No wonder Capriati could steal 3 slams in 01/02.

homogenius
Oct 14th, 2007, 07:39 PM
I disagree.
The notion that 2000 until today there was greater depth in women's tennis is an optical illusion.
Players like Navratilova, Graf and Seles (pre-stabbing and maybe 95/96) simply made the other players look like dwarfs. Comparable to today's men's tennis.

Really ? 2 or 3 years ago, Graf said on french tv, during the FO, that the level improved (speed, power,depth of the field)dramatically.I suppose she simply doesn't know what she's talking about...
On the men's side these days, there's a huge battle in top100 : on a good day can beat the top players.And no, it's not because it's a clowns's era.

micah63
Oct 14th, 2007, 07:47 PM
Jenny by far, this is not even a good question, she is on a whole other level

it should be who is a better player btw Sabatini and Novotna



Sabatini has a 77 % winning percentage, Capriati only 71 %.
Sabatini has a better winning percentage on EVERY surface.
Sabatini has won 27 titles, Capriati only 14.
Sabatini was top 10 in 10 years, Capriati only in 7.

Capriati played 3 slam finals: Two against Hingis, 1 against Clijsters. Won all 3.
Sabatini played 3 slams finals as well: All 3 against Steffi Graf, maybe the greatest player of all time. Won only one. Graf - and not Hingis/Clijsters. Quite a difference ....


History will be the judge.
Sabatini will be talked about even in 20 years from now. Not Capriati.

John.
Oct 14th, 2007, 07:53 PM
History will be the judge.
Sabatini will be talked about even in 20 years from now. Not Capriati.

I think you're kidding yourself if you think Capriati will be forgotten in 20 years.

The way she turned her career around is unique. Add to that the fact she won 3 slams, and was ranked number 1 - she will not be forgotten.

micah63
Oct 14th, 2007, 07:53 PM
Really ? 2 or 3 years ago, Graf said on french tv, during the FO, that the level increased (speed, power,depth of the field)dramatically.I suppose she simply doesn't know what she's talking about....

4 or 5 years ago she said exactly the opposite in a newspaper interview. That 45-year-old Navratilova's return to the game (with some success) was a sign of the declining level of women's tennis.
I still have a clip of the interview in my desk's drawer.

So I just don't believe you that Steffi said that nonsense. Maybe she said in your alleged TV interview that "power tennis" had taken over women's tennis. Which isn't exactly a praise and doesn't say anything about the level of play.

micah63
Oct 14th, 2007, 07:56 PM
I think you're kidding yourself if you think Capriati will be forgotten in 20 years.

The way she turned her career around is unique. Add to that the fact she won 3 slams, and was ranked number 1 - she will not be forgotten.


Who was this "Capriati"?


Ask people in the streets in London, Paris, Tokyo or Sydney about Sabatini and Capriati.
Many will know Sabatini, only a few Capriati.

John.
Oct 14th, 2007, 08:00 PM
Who was this "Capriati"?


Ask people in the streets in London, Paris, Tokyo or Sydney about Sabatini and Capriati.
Many will know Sabatini, only a few Capriati.

OK then :rolleyes:

Capriati's success in 2001 was probably one of the biggest stories in sport.

Sabatini was very popular, and I was a fan. But this post is not about popularity, it's about who was the greater.

Capriati has 3 majors, an Olympic gold and was ranked number 1.

mboyle
Oct 14th, 2007, 08:02 PM
It's a special case because most of people who write here didn't even watch a match of Gabriela in their entire life (which means they didn't the best part of Gaby's career), so it's obvious they will vote for Jennifer.

The question is not who is better. The question is who is greater, which basically means who achieved more. I can't see how 1 grand slam could ever beat 3 grand slams, but hey, that's just me.

Kart
Oct 14th, 2007, 08:03 PM
Capriati

Traitor :fiery: ;).

homogenius
Oct 14th, 2007, 08:05 PM
4 or 5 years ago she said exactly the opposite in a newspaper interview. That 45-year-old Navratilova's return to the game (with some success) was a sign of the declining level of women's tennis.
I still have a clip of the interview in my desk's drawer.

So I just don't believe you that Steffi said that nonsense. Maybe she said in your alleged TV interview that "power tennis" had taken over women's tennis. Which isn't exactly a praise and doesn't say anything about the level of play.

No.She said that now the field is much deeper and that the game is much more physical (not only a question of "power tennis").I couldn't care less that you don't believe me.I'm not the one having issues to deal with the results of the poll.

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Oct 14th, 2007, 08:05 PM
Jen , obviously

homogenius
Oct 14th, 2007, 08:14 PM
Try to prove that.
IMO, top players were upset at least as much 10 or 20 years ago as today.
The only difference is that back then we had 2 or 3 players who were real greats (Navratilova, Graf and - at least for some years - Seles). Have a look at the seeds in the slams and how they were eliminated. At least as much surprises back then as today. Just check how often Shriver, Mandlikova, Sanchez, Novotna, Martinez, Pierce, the Maleevas, Date, Huber, Sukova were successfully ambushed in the early rounds of slam tournaments.

Back then, players like Sabatini, Martinez, Novotna, Sanchez, Shriver, Garrison, Sukova...had a bunch of 1/8, 1/4 and semis.The early rounds at slams were routine victories for top players (a lot of bagels and breadsticks).

A Magicman
Oct 14th, 2007, 08:14 PM
LMAO.....Gaby was NOT a moonballer :rolleyes:
H2H gaby kills her

Jen is better player
gaby the better person :kiss: :angel:

You can laugh your ass off, it doesn't change the fact that Gaby won the semifinal of Amelia Island 1988 by literally shooting each and every shot into the clouds.... that is called "moonballing".

Volcana
Oct 14th, 2007, 08:31 PM
'Greater' is such a subjective world.

Sabatini was a beautiful player to watch, but she lacked that nameless thing that allows some players to make their games transcendant in moments of greatness. She did beat Graf in the one slam she won, but she only beat one other top ten player in that slam, #8 Mary Joe Fernandez. It wasn't a cakewalk, but it was an easy draw.

Capriati, OTOH, was a player with demons, and was far less consistent than Sabatini. But, after her return to the game following her arrest, she eventually got in shape, and then showed that the one thing she DID have was the ability to play her most transcendant tennis on the biggest stage.

So, getting back to that subjective word, Capriati was the 'greater' player, mostly because she had that ability to BE great when it mattered most, and Sabatini didn't. However, had you asked who was the BETTER player, that would be Sabatini, hands down, despite Capriati's higher career accomplishments.

micah63
Oct 14th, 2007, 08:34 PM
The question is not who is better. The question is who is greater, which basically means who achieved more. I can't see how 1 grand slam could ever beat 3 grand slams, but hey, that's just me.

Just 2 slams.

There are people out there who claim Navratilova was greater than Court. :eek:
Although Court won 6 slams more. :worship:

Jenny.C.Fan
Oct 14th, 2007, 08:38 PM
History will be the judge.
Sabatini will be talked about even in 20 years from now. Not Capriati.

Completely delusional :rolleyes:

micah63
Oct 14th, 2007, 08:43 PM
No.She said that now the field is much deeper and that the game is much more physical (not only a question of "power tennis").I couldn't care less that you don't believe me.I'm not the one having issues to deal with the results of the poll.


"Field being deeper"?
Maybe she meant that everybody could beat everybody because no really great player was around. Steffi is sooo polite!

The game being more physical doesn't mean better either. Graf is on record for being rather sceptical about today's tennis.

Hey, 2 years ago she almost beat a top 20 player in World Team Tennis, lost only in a tie-break (Likhovtseva?). Although she hadn't played tennis for more than 5 years!!! :lol:
And she pointed out to the fact that a 46-year-old Navratilova actually BEAT a top 20 player in Wimbledon 2002 (or 2003?).:lol:

Do you really believe a 46-year-old Margaret Court could have done this in 1988? :lol: :lol:

homogenius
Oct 14th, 2007, 08:55 PM
"Field being deeper"?
Maybe she meant that everybody could beat everybody because no really great player was around. Steffi is sooo polite!

The game being more physical doesn't mean better either. Graf is on record for being rather sceptical about today's tennis.

Hey, 2 years ago she almost beat a top 20 player in World Team Tennis, lost only in a tie-break (Likhovtseva?). Although she hadn't played tennis for more than 5 years!!! :lol:
And she pointed out to the fact that a 46-year-old Navratilova actually BEAT a top 20 player in Wimbledon 2002 (or 2003?).:lol:

Do you really believe a 46-year-old Margaret Court could have done this in 1988? :lol: :lol:

What's the link between Graf barely losing to Likhovtseva in a non official competition 2 years ago and the depth of the field on tour ?
The game being more physical doesn't mean better but it's mean that it's much more difficult for all players (at top or not)to stay non-injured and performant week in and week out.Top players have a lot less easy matches now than in the end of the 80's and begining of 90's, so it was easier to be consistent back then when you were top10.

homogenius
Oct 14th, 2007, 08:59 PM
Sabatini has a 77 % winning percentage, Capriati only 71 %.
Sabatini has a better winning percentage on EVERY surface.
Sabatini has won 27 titles, Capriati only 14.
Sabatini was top 10 in 10 years, Capriati only in 7.

Capriati played 3 slam finals: Two against Hingis, 1 against Clijsters. Won all 3.
Sabatini played 3 slams finals as well: All 3 against Steffi Graf, maybe the greatest player of all time. Won only one. Graf - and not Hingis/Clijsters. Quite a difference ....


History will be the judge.
Sabatini will be talked about even in 20 years from now. Not Capriati.

History will judge by facts : Capriati will be remembered as an ancient n°1 with 3 slams and a gold medal at Olympic, and sadly Sabatini will be remembered as a great player who gave Graf some difficulties but ended her career as a one slam wonder.

micah63
Oct 14th, 2007, 10:58 PM
Completely delusional :rolleyes:


I will ask the guys and gals at my workplace tomorrow. I think most of them will have heard of Gabriela Sabatini.
"Capriati? Is that a soft drink?", will be the reaction of many, though ....

micah63
Oct 14th, 2007, 11:04 PM
What's the link between Graf barely losing to Likhovtseva in a non official competition 2 years ago and the depth of the field on tour ?
The game being more physical doesn't mean better but it's mean that it's much more difficult for all players (at top or not)to stay non-injured and performant week in and week out.Top players have a lot less easy matches now than in the end of the 80's and begining of 90's, so it was easier to be consistent back then when you were top10.


Sanchez, Sabatini and Novotna had to struggle at least as much as Davenport, Mauresmo or Venus today.
A top-20 player had the same number of losses against players below #50 in 1990 as today.

The only difference is Navratilova, Graf and Seles (pre-stabbing). Take all of them away and you would have had the "deepest" fields in 1987-93.
Pam Shriver, Hana Mandlikova, Gaby Sabatini, Conchita Martinez, Jana Novotna, Jennifer Capriati, Manuela Maleeva and the ageing Chris Evert would have made the deepest field ever, everybody beating everybody, so many exciting slam tournaments, the Golden Age of tennis. Wow!;)

FrauleinSteffi
Oct 15th, 2007, 01:08 AM
Most of Gabys wins against Jennifer weree in here very early teens though its unfair to pit a 14 year old against a 20 yr old besides Jennifer had the awe inspiring leap from unranked to #1 in five years! Gaby would be killed nowdays only Steffi & Monica & Jennifer would be able to withstand the power nowdays I admire Gaby though but Jenny was more powerful and a better player 3 Slams & the #1 ranking plus she beat Hingis 4 times & Serena 6 times:)She did push Gaby in retirement in 1996 at Zurich 6-4,6-3 1st round

IanRadi
Oct 15th, 2007, 01:26 AM
You can't compare Sabatini with Capriati. They played in differents eras! In Gaby's era tennis was so different, everything was less powerful and with more top spin. When Jennifer was playing her best tennis, tennis was much more powerful than around 80's. Actually, Gaby was one of those that knew how to beat STEFFI GRAF (not everybody knew how to beat the great Steffi Graf) and I believe she had the best top spin from 1970 until 1990.

tenn_ace
Oct 15th, 2007, 02:23 AM
some posters here (hinting the thread starter) need to get serious.

Sabatini could only dream of Capriati's career

guyinsf
Oct 15th, 2007, 03:18 AM
As a player Capriati did more damage but Sabatini had to compete with Graf the whole time and was way hotter although she got a bit manly looking in her later years on the tour.

TeamUSA#1
Oct 15th, 2007, 04:53 AM
This is a ho brainer on all fronts... Jen achieved WAY more than Gaby, played in 2 eras, and the 2nd era was MUCH tougher (Vee, Serena, Davenport, Hingis, Momo, Clijsters, Henin, Seles, etc... all in the top 10), and was a far superior skilled player. Gaby was beautiful, has a pretty game, with nice top spin, but would have got KILLED in 2000-2004... Jen won her big tournaments during those years and reached #1

teo_honey
Oct 16th, 2007, 05:28 PM
You want to prohibit me hoping something???

I don't think Capriati was able to match Graf and Seles "shot for shot".
Otherwise she would have won more than 5 of 24 sets and 1 of 10 matches against Graf in 1990-93.
Seems rather lopsided to me.

Capriati lost her last match to Graf in 1999. 0-6 1-6 ....
Then Graf and Novotna retired, Hingis and Davenport got injuries, the Williams sisters were still maturing.
No wonder Capriati could steal 3 slams in 01/02.

Steal?? Could steal??? She fought hard to win those slams... Especially the first one since she was outside the top 10. She beat Serena Williams (who may have been maturing, but Jen also beat the mature Serena afterwards), Davenport and Hingis while they were both healthy.

I think it's offensive to say someone stole a GS, especially when that someone has won 3!

yolis
Oct 16th, 2007, 07:42 PM
For me it´s Jenny..but to be honest, I really don´t know why!
(maybe because my dog is called Jenny :D)

Beat
Oct 16th, 2007, 08:26 PM
I would have to say Capriati, due to the 3 slam singles titles, Olympic gold medal and #1 ranking.
enough said.

micah63
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:01 PM
Steal?? Could steal??? She fought hard to win those slams... Especially the first one since she was outside the top 10. She beat Serena Williams (who may have been maturing, but Jen also beat the mature Serena afterwards), Davenport and Hingis while they were both healthy.

I think it's offensive to say someone stole a GS, especially when that someone has won 3!


I used the wrong word, sorry. After all English is not my native language.
Let's say she snatched them away? Is that the right word?

See - she won only 14 tournaments in her long career but 3 of them were slams !:eek:
Jenny took the slams when they were there for the taking because Graf/Novotna were gone, Hingis/Davenport were struggling with injuries, the Williams sisters still maturing, the Belgians still waiting in the wings.

Granted - Graf, Seles, Hingis, the Williamses, Henin - they all profited from their opponents being off-track now and then, too. But Capriati clearly was a transistional champ if there ever was one. She has by far the worst win/match percentage and the least tournament wins of all multiple-slam winners in the open era.

teo_honey
Oct 17th, 2007, 08:15 PM
I used the wrong word, sorry. After all English is not my native language.
Let's say she snatched them away? Is that the right word?

See - she won only 14 tournaments in her long career but 3 of them were slams !:eek:
Jenny took the slams when they were there for the taking because Graf/Novotna were gone, Hingis/Davenport were struggling with injuries, the Williams sisters still maturing, the Belgians still waiting in the wings.

Granted - Graf, Seles, Hingis, the Williamses, Henin - they all profited from their opponents being off-track now and then, too. But Capriati clearly was a transistional champ if there ever was one. She has by far the worst win/match percentage and the least tournament wins of all multiple-slam winners in the open era.

3 of her 14 titles were slams because she only felt competitive for the slams. She also has one gold medal that not many players can brag that they have. and i repeat, davenport and hingis were not injured during all 3 grand slams jennifer won.

TNT96
Jan 7th, 2008, 12:54 AM
Gaby had a more consistent career by far but Jennifer won big titles more often
Gaby had a better career over the years she played (1985 to 1996) and we dont yet know if Capriatis career is over yet. Time will tell.
They both have alot to be proud of

Volcana
Jan 7th, 2008, 01:12 AM
If there were ever a comparison that tests whether the results of regular tournaments or slams were more important, this is it.