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Sam L
Jul 18th, 2002, 03:00 AM
Serena and Jennifer had both won grand slams before they won their slams this year. And if Venus OR Serena wins US Open, which looks like a 99.9% chance, then it will the first time since 1996 when Graf and Seles swept the grand slams, that we will have NO new grand slam champions in a year.

This can only mean one thing. We have entered a MATURE phase. The TRANSITIONAL phase in womens' tennis is officially over and whoever is dominating NOW will most likely to continue to dominate for the next 4-5 years.

This is proven in history too. Let's go back all the way to 1977:

1977 - new gs winner *
1978 - new gs winner *
1979 - new gs winner *
1980 - new gs winner
1981 - no *
1982 - no
1983 - no
1984 - no
1985 - no
1986 - no
1987 - new gs winner
1988 - no
1989 - new gs winner
1990 - new gs winner *
1991 - no
1992 - no
1993 - no
1994 - new gs winner
1995 - new gs winner
1996 - no
1997 - new gs winner
1998 - new gs winner *
1999 - new gs winner *
2000 - new gs winner
2001 - new gs winner
2002 - no
2003 - new gs winner

* = years in which there were 4 way split amongst GS winners. All happened around the transitional phases.

After the transitional phase in the late 70's, Evert and Navratilova came out the two dominant players and dominated for the early and mid 80's. After the transitional phase in the late 80's, Graf and Seles came out the two dominant players and dominated for the early 90's which should've continued to mid 90's if it wasn't for the stabbing. IMHO, and with due respect to Pierce and Martinez, those were probably Seles' slams and 94-95 probably would've been a "no" if it weren't for the stabbing.

Then now here is the interesting stage. We have had the transitional phase in the late 90's and it seems like Venus and Serena has emerged as the new dominant players. It seems as if they would sweep the slams in the next 4-5 years like Navratilova/Evert and Graf/Seles had done previously. Will it now stay true to history or will the transitional phase continue? :confused:

ys
Jul 18th, 2002, 03:05 AM
Meaning that Henin, Clijsters, Hantuchova, Mauresmo, Dokic are going to have Slamless careers.. I doubt so..;)

I agree, chances are that we won't have a new Slam winner this year. But next year we'll likely have.

Mattographer
Jul 18th, 2002, 03:13 AM
:eek: I hate another All-Williams Final at the US Open! I hope someone can stop them before the Final... perhaps, Monica Seles and Jennifer Capriati? Capriati almost beat Serena Williams at the French Open :fiery: Seles is only stop them in a Grand Slam this year! It was Australian Open where she beat Venus Williams in the Quarterfinals! I hope Seles can do it again! :D

disposablehero
Jul 18th, 2002, 03:55 AM
This may be one of the first historical trend theories I've seen that wasn't completely full of crap. It seems to be accurate for almost every year.

ys
Jul 18th, 2002, 03:59 AM
This may be one of the first historical trend theories I've seen that wasn't completely full of crap.

Yeah, I agree, it is full of crap, but not completely..;)

Williams Rulez
Jul 18th, 2002, 08:24 AM
Interesting... but I think this period will last for 2/3 years at most, because of the ages of Jennifer/Lindsay/Monica.... plus Venus/Serena and Martina wouldn't be at their peaks anymore after 2 or 3 years... so a new crop of players will take over.

nante4ever
Jul 18th, 2002, 10:29 AM
Hey alex, seles did not stop an all williams final. It is impossible coz serena was not entered
:)

CanIGetAWhat
Sep 6th, 2002, 11:46 PM
very accurate and interesting.

mboyle
Sep 7th, 2002, 01:18 AM
As for Henin/Clijsters/Hantuchova not winning slams, I think they might win one or two, but not many. Kim/Justine really have not made much progress in the past year. (Kim has gone waaay backwards, Justine has improved her serve by 5-7mph in terms of speed, but her percentage has also dropped by about 5%) Hantuchova makes progress every week it seems (I don't remember her forehand being so much of a weapon even in Canada) and IMO has the best game to challenge a sister, but basically, to beat ONE sister in the latter rounds of a slam means being totally in the zone. I mean 100%. Anything less and you are history. Kim was in the zone at Hamburg, and Justine was at Amelia Island (Venus played pretty bad for a set and a half, but still would have won more games if Justine were not playing so well), but to be in the total zone for two matches is very hard. Justine I don't think can do it until she hires a psycologist like Momo, Kim could do it but what about her arm? Dani could do it, but will she? Only time will tell.

Sam L
Sep 7th, 2002, 01:46 PM
Well it's a surprise to see this thread coming back from the dead ;) I might as well update it. But seriously next year will be telling year, to see if anyone can break the Williams dominance. If not, expect to see them extend their dominance for a couple more years.

lukehingis
Sep 7th, 2002, 02:54 PM
I think Daniela, Kim and Justine would win at least one slam in their career. Amelie might win one soon. I think Martina, Jenn and Lindsay have at least 1-3 Grand Slams each left in them and Venus and Serena each have about 4-8 Slams left in them.

BrianII
Sep 7th, 2002, 03:19 PM
Intresting ....I think the trend will continue in the mature phase for next couple of years ...Daniela ,kim, justine ,Jelena may well upset a williams but I think once the williams is elminated on their side of the draw,one the GS vets Seles, Lindsay,Martina,Jeniffer will quickly take care of the newcomer....I dont think you will see a GS final between 2 newcomers ....Amelie is difficult to classify she is in away a newcomer but also a vet she's been around for some time.

Sam L
Sep 8th, 2003, 02:56 AM
Well it's a surprise to see this thread coming back from the dead ;) I might as well update it. But seriously next year will be telling year, to see if anyone can break the Williams dominance. If not, expect to see them extend their dominance for a couple more years.
Well it looks like somebody has come up to challenge them - Justine Henin-Hardenne. But will JHH and Williams sisters be able to extend their dominance and shut out a new player from joining the GS Club next year? This is what history suggests, but as you can see this transition phase has gone on longer than usual (possibly due to: 1. Seles stabbing 2. Williams sisters' injuries).

Or will we yet have another new member next year? I'm talking to you Kim and Amelie. ;)

Stay tuned! :wavey:

Gowza
Sep 8th, 2003, 03:19 AM
well it happened this year. but next year might be a different story. kim and amelie have the game but mentally they aren't strong enough and besides them the only other real threat is hantuchova but she seems to lack both the mental and physical game at the moment (i'm not talking about her weight she's playing very badly regardless). unless sharapova gets a breakthrough.