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Direwolf
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:52 AM
Sad..:rolleyes:
that was just sad..
after saving a 2 mps and some setpoints in the 2nd set
:sad: :sad:

Petkorazzi
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:52 AM
:woohoo:

Sammy 4 eva!!!
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:52 AM
Awesome work Flav :worship: Saving 2 set points ;)
Take that V :devil:

Uranus
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:52 AM
:woohoo:
Hopefully this means Flavia is BACK to her good old level! :D

BigBabeTENNIS
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:53 AM
Venus Needs To Rest She Looked Dead And Crap

Sammy 4 eva!!!
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:54 AM
What an Upset!

justine schnyder
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:54 AM
:worship: Well done Flavia!!! :worship:

stefi62
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:54 AM
:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

Pasta-Na
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:55 AM
venus is seed #2, not #1 :p

Elwin.
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:55 AM
Venus :eek: :eek:

Pasta-Na
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:55 AM
the final shall be funny :lol:

pigam
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:55 AM
wow I didn't expet this one

Poova
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:55 AM
:speakles: oh my gosh!

Well done Flavia! What a win for you :worship:

The Kaz
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:55 AM
FORZA Flavia Penetta!!!!!!!!!!!!

You go girl :yeah:

Venus can't even win Tier IIIs now :lol:

patch.
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:55 AM
Amazing win for Flavia :worship: Great to see her back to her old self ;)

Rest up for the YEC Venus :hug:

AlexBarrington
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:56 AM
Flavia, probably your best victory, this is a good period, u deserve the best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :worship: :worship: :worship: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

Highlandman
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:56 AM
Venus :sobbing: :sobbing: :sobbing: Now go & win the YEC :D :p

Flavia played very very well:eek: Congrats.

Natalicious
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:56 AM
vee :help:

well done flavia :yeah:

BigBabeTENNIS
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:56 AM
Venus Your Crap

-sugi-
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:56 AM
Flavia :woohoo:

Helaena
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:56 AM
omg :eek:

switz
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:56 AM
:woohoo:
Hopefully this means Flavia is BACK to her good old level! :D

i'd suggest it means she's gone to another level beyond that.

i'm so happy to be a supporter of Flavia right now. Very proud of the way she's turned things around. might have to pop over to Italy in the off season and make a move on her.

Iceland
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:56 AM
Well done Flavia :yeah:! Great fight!

Bad performance from Venus, she cannot return well a first serve :tape:. Too many dumb errors on crucial points. She seems back to her level before Wimbledon, when she took every match not seriously enough.

Get the title now, Flavia! ;)

Ben.
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:58 AM
Venus, she played horrible tennis from what I heard. But on the positive side this is the 1st time in like ages since she has played three tournaments in three consecutive weeks with good results. So i guess there is no need to cry about it :)

Congrats to Flavia though, she earnt the win with consistent tennis & she deserves to be in the top 20.

Meelis
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:58 AM
Flavia :worship:

Take the title!

Uranium
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:58 AM
I Wonder Why I'm A Venus Fan Sometimes, Losing Matches With Match And Set Points Lately, Jeez.
Venus Horrible.

DomenicDemaria
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:58 AM
Flavia :woohoo: Im so happy! Havent been this shocked and happy since Mary beat Lindasy in the french 2005 :lol:

saint2
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:58 AM
Go for a title, Flav :kiss: :kiss:

CrossCourt~Rally
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:58 AM
Wow! :worship: Congrats to Flavia and to all of her fans that stuck by her during her slump :kiss:
Venus still had a great run on her asian tour with winning the tourney in South Korea , reaching the finals in Japan and then reaching the SFs here :bounce:

pigam
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:59 AM
Flavia, probably your best victory, this is a good period, u deserve the best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :worship: :worship: :worship: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

don't forget she also beat Justine once!
she has a few VERY big wins :yeah:

switz
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:59 AM
Well done Flavia :yeah:! Great fight!

Bad performance from Venus, she cannot return well a first serve :tape:. Too many dumb errors on crucial points. She seems back to her level before Wimbledon, when she took every match not seriously enough.

Get the title now, Flavia! ;)

Venus' heart would not have been in any of these tournaments IMO. i don't think if she intended to fully exert herself Venus would play 3 weeks in a row anymore. her body is too susceptible to injury.

Dexter
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:59 AM
Who would have thought that would happen when Flavia was losing to Pratt, yes Nicole Pratt in the 1st round of Roland Garros this year? :haha:

Forza Flavia! Take this title! :bounce::D

Hashim.
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:59 AM
:woohoo::D:dance:

what a good win for Flavia :awww:


Venus :hug:

venus_rulez
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:01 AM
Disappointing, but you got the one that mattered i.e. Wimbledon. Good job from Flavia, but rest up venus for the YEC or for 08 if you don't make it there for whatever reason. Oh and somebody tell Venus to play a REAL warm up tournament before the Australian this time.

switz
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:01 AM
Flavia really should win this tournament now if she keeps this form up.

MistyGrey
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:01 AM
:woohoo::woohoo:
Great win Flavia! Now take the title!

Matt01
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:04 AM
Congrats, Flavia. Well done :yeah:

Apoorv
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:04 AM
:yeah: Flavia

Russianboy
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:04 AM
:speakles:

smokovec
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:05 AM
Great win Flavia and a nice opportunity to win also this Tournament. :worship:

Nicky_608
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:06 AM
Venus:sad: Today Flavia plays very well

ViennaCalling
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:06 AM
:woohoo:

Great win :drool:

Petkorazzi
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:08 AM
Thanks for making me lose my $2 :rolleyes: :rolls:

ivpasqua88
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:08 AM
yeeeeeesssssssssssssssssssssssssss i am almost crying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT IS SOOOOOOOOO GOOD TO HAVE OUR FLAVIA BACK!!!!!!! SHE DESERVES CREDIT FOR WINNING, I DON'T THINK SHE WON JUST CAUSE VENUS PLAYED LIKE SHIT! FLAVIA CAN BEAT LOTS OF GIRLS WHEN SHE IS ON THE TOP OF HER FORM!!!!!!!
NOW FLAVIETTA TAKE THE TITLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!! U ARE AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Vut
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:10 AM
dont be surprise... Flavia played so WELL!! while Venus hit ton of errors.

kaki
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:10 AM
Congrats to Flavia and Vee,it's ok just rest and come back strong

.Andrew.
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:11 AM
Wow! :eek: :clap2:

Flavia :worship: Excellent win! Didn't see the match, but according to the stats she played extremely well! :yeah: Especially in holding her own serve, she even won more than 50% on her second serve points! :bolt: :bowdown:

Venus :awww: :hug: The only thing I could conclude was that she was fatigued(played 3 tournaments in a row), second serve & return let her down a bit. :( Missed out a chance on her 4th of the year... Hopefully you did enough to qualify for YEC, Venus :hug:

Good luck in the final Flavia! Win it all now! :D

arn
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:15 AM
I don't understand how some people say a win, a final and a semi in three TIER III is a good run when your name is Venus Williams :shrug: If Serena, Justine, Maria, Amelie,... would have done so everybody would say they are in slump! So I'm gonna say: pick it up Venus!

Glad to see Flavia is back on old form again :yeah:

Xylon
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:17 AM
I watched the match....I should say that Flavia didn't do anything special...she kept her first serves in and groundstrokes strong and flat...this was already enough to kill venus today! Flavia just needed to keep the balls back to venus and venus would hit wild shots very soon! Venus didn't grunt or attack a lot! She even struggled to get the balls in....POOR PLAY!!!

Venus missed like six to seven returns in the tie-break

Michael!
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:19 AM
Venus :sad:
She needs to rest before she plays the YEC. ;)
I hope she can raise her game, in this shape she´ll have no chance there.
That´s the difference between 2000 and 2007.
2000 she won New Haven and 2 days later she played the US Open and won there, too.
2007 she hasn´t got the power to play 2 or 3 good tournaments in a row. Her results are still good, but she only played small tournaments.

Slumpsova
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:19 AM
great now we have Pennetta vs. the Chinese in the final :banghead:
i'm sure this is the last match-up we've expected to see after we first saw the entry list :o
i think i'm gonna give my friend the ticket bc it's so wasting my time! :bigcry:

homogenius
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:21 AM
I watched the match....I should say that Flavia didn't do anything special...she kept her first serves in and groundstrokes strong and flat...this was already enough to kill venus today! Flavia just needed to keep the balls back to venus and venus would hit wild shots very soon! Venus didn't grunt or attack a lot! She even struggled to get the balls in....POOR PLAY!!!

Venus missed like six to seven returns in the tie-break

I just watched it from 4-2 for Pennetta but I agree.Pennetta fought well but Venus was poor today.She had some nice backand winners but the rest was very subpar.

TheBoiledEgg
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:21 AM
wow Flavia :woohoo: :bolt: :hearts:

homogenius
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:22 AM
I don't understand how some people say a win, a final and a semi in three TIER III is a good run when your name is Venus Williams :shrug: If Serena, Justine, Maria, Amelie,... would have done so everybody would say they are in slump! So I'm gonna say: pick it up Venus!

Glad to see Flavia is back on old form again :yeah:

She should've moved after Seoul and tried to play Stuttgart or Moscou.

alexia1huff
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:22 AM
FLAVIA FULL TROTTLE !!!!!!!!!!!!! When she ending her season? I think it should be after this tournament, she could still play a tournament before the end, but so many consecutive tournies she'll be tired! MAKE A STIR IN 2008 :devil: Quit many upsets here!!! First shahaar now venus (and razzano) ! YEAY FLAVIA

Maybe Venus played worse than you'd want to, but she played many matches as did Flavia so I think that maybe the conditions were tough and Flavia just kept strong, the weight loss has to be positive, cause if it was just loosing weight and not gaining muscle and strenght at the same time she wouldn't cope so many matches in the 35+ degrees matches

Demska
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:23 AM
:haha: :haha: :haha:

This is a top 10 player?

Amazing Flavia!!!!!!!!!!

vettipooh
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:24 AM
Venus :sad: :hug: No more 3 in a row for you.
Now go put that appearance fee in the bank and get some damn rest for yec. Btw congrats Flavia. Well done.

Hantuchov
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:24 AM
Venus wasn't playing her best, but Flavia took her chances and held her nerves when she needed to, despite hitting 2 or 3 DF's when she was up a break in the 2nd. Flavia was also very solid when she saved the 1st SP, with a stunning FH winner. :inlove: :D


Congrats, Flavietta !! :hearts: :worship: :yeah:

:drool: @ the unreturnable serve to finish the match.

If you don't take this damn fucking title tomorrow, I'll be really mad !! lol

mygirlV
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:25 AM
Venus :sad:
She needs to rest before she plays the YEC. ;)
I hope she can raise her game, in this shape she´ll have no chance there.
That´s the difference between 2000 and 2007.
2000 she won New Haven and 2 days later she played the US Open and won there, too.
2007 she hasn´t got the power to play 2 or 3 good tournaments in a row. Her results are still good, but she only played small tournaments.

In 2000 Venus was 20yrs old. At that age you can do anything;) . When I turned to the livestream linked and saw Venus, I told my husband that Venus needs to be in a bed somewhere. She looked so tired and worn.

lionel
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:26 AM
Amazing Flavia!

Honestly Venus didn't play her best at all, but give some credit to Flavia. Beating a Williams is never easy!!

Please win it all now, good luck in the final!

Shoulderpova
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:27 AM
Flavia :D
if she can't win the final tomorrow :help::o

Emina.
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:27 AM
Venus? :smash:

IMPOSSIBLE
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:28 AM
Flavia :)

Duramont
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:29 AM
Wow, great stuff from Flavia! :yeah:

If only I would have bet some vcash on her. :p

Viktymise
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:29 AM
V :sad: but she shouldnt have played here, too many weeks in a row.

Well done flav, super week of tennis!

Xylon
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:32 AM
This is not the Venus we've been seeing in the past four months

*Jean*
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:32 AM
It was a fun match...But Venus seemed very tired.

2moretogo
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:34 AM
Venus!!!:o :help: This is not how I wanted to start my morning!!! Anyhoo, get some rest lady for that leg.

Congrats to Flavia.

Matt01
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:34 AM
This is not the Venus we've been seeing in the past four months

It's the same Venus who we were seeing the past four months or this past whole year :angel:

~Cherry*Blossom~
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:35 AM
:lol: Venus :hug:

only started watching from 4-4 second set and the first two points I saw were of Venus doublefaulting :tape:

Oh well rest up for the YEC.

HenryMag.
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:39 AM
OMG Flavia!! What a great victory!!!

Beny
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:41 AM
I'm soooooooooooo happy for Flavia!

Why did it take you so long,girl???????
She's been such an underachiever but I hope from now on,she'll keep playing like this, and prove her potential

Great work,Flavia!Keep it up!

Beny
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:42 AM
btw. you really think now Venus would do more damage at YEC than Daniela?

Venus must be playing pretty poorly now..

Xylon
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:43 AM
:lol: Venus :hug:

only started watching from 4-4 second set and the first two points I saw were of Venus doublefaulting :tape:

Oh well rest up for the YEC.

she had 3 double faults in that game...

the doctor
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:46 AM
Bravissima Flavia
:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

spencercarlos
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:49 AM
:lol:

Xylon
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:50 AM
btw. you really think now Venus would do more damage at YEC than Daniela?

Venus must be playing pretty poorly now..

Venus is just probably tired right now. I think she would definitely more damage at YEC and she deserves to be there. How many top 10 wins did Daniela have this year?

Effy
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:51 AM
OMFG :devil:

welcome back, Flavietta :hearts: :rocker2: she won against Venus :drool:

Effy
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:53 AM
Venus is just probably tired right now.

sure, everytime she loses she must be tired ;) tired of what, i wonder? :D

mygirlV
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:53 AM
spencercarlos in the house:( :lol:. Carry on:tape:

FORZA SARITA
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:55 AM
i have no words :hysteric::hysteric:
i'm just too proud of my girl :hysteric:
probably this is her best win of her career after that against Henin 2 years ago :yeah:
Now take the title :bowdown:

FORZA SARITA
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:57 AM
Venus is tired?:spit:
Flavia played the last 4 WEEKS reaching at least the quarter :rolleyes:

mygirlV
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:58 AM
sure, everytime she loses she must be tired ;) tired of what, i wonder? :D

And everytime someone beats Venus they are going to be top 20, top 10. You all can't have it both way. Either "Venus is done and washed up and everyone can beat her, or she is a benchmark for the other players to see how well they are playing and where they are going to end up in the ranking".:tape: :tape: :(

spencercarlos
Oct 13th, 2007, 12:00 PM
spencercarlos in the house:( :lol:. Carry on:tape:
This ridiculous performance does not even deserve a comment, :tape:

The saddest thing is that i predicted her to win with week with ease :sad:

:wavey:

Effy
Oct 13th, 2007, 12:01 PM
And everytime someone beats Venus they are going to be top 20, top 10. You all can't have it both way. Either "Venus is done and washed up and everyone can beat her, or she is a benchmark for the other players to see how well they are playing and where they are going to end up in the ranking".:tape: :tape: :(

i never said that Venus is done or smth, Flavia just overplayed her. Get over it :wavey:

frees
Oct 13th, 2007, 12:02 PM
Flavia!!!! :woohoo: :D

Matt01
Oct 13th, 2007, 12:06 PM
Venus is just probably tired right now. I think she would definitely more damage at YEC and she deserves to be there. How many top 10 wins did Daniela have this year?

Dani has 5 Top Ten wins this year.

Venus has 8 Top Ten wins. Not counting Fed Cup, she has 6.

Edited to add: Hardly a big difference :p

Slutiana
Oct 13th, 2007, 12:07 PM
rubbish. Completly rubbish

FORZA SARITA
Oct 13th, 2007, 12:14 PM
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20071013/capt.8e88a8fc0777484f94254ef5dbacb43b.thailand_ban gkok_open_sl116.jpg

:tears:

new-york
Oct 13th, 2007, 12:14 PM
lolz.

congrats Flavia.

mygirlV
Oct 13th, 2007, 12:15 PM
i never said that Venus is done or smth, Flavia just overplayed her. Get over it :wavey:

Get over what?:confused: I was just responding to your post.

cometz9
Oct 13th, 2007, 12:15 PM
Congrats to Flavia :clap2: finally showing great form, win it tomorrow.

Venus :tape: the last two weeks have been shit, she's gonna lose all her matches if she qualifies for the YEC :rolleyes:

Chrisi
Oct 13th, 2007, 12:16 PM
Venus :sad:

Effy
Oct 13th, 2007, 12:19 PM
Get over what?:confused: I was just responding to your post.

oh never mind ;)

Flavia, cant believe it :worship:

Xylon
Oct 13th, 2007, 12:20 PM
I just realised that Venus' wrists weren't taped...

Vacant
Oct 13th, 2007, 12:21 PM
:woohoo:

I love Vee, but am so happy for Flavia. Really good to see her making her way back to where she belongs. :D

hotandspicey
Oct 13th, 2007, 12:25 PM
Vee. :hug: Get some well needed rest and see you at yec. :hatoff: to flavia. good win. now take the title. :yeah:

SvetaPleaseWin.
Oct 13th, 2007, 12:26 PM
:eek:
omg :worship: she better win the title now!!!

daniela86
Oct 13th, 2007, 12:30 PM
Omg :eek: :eek: Incredible Flavia! :worship: :worship: :worship: What a performance! :bowdown: :bowdown: I'm so happy for her,she deserves it so much :hug: :D
One more match and the the title is yours :D FORZAAAA FLAVIA!!!

Chpstk30
Oct 13th, 2007, 12:31 PM
OMG bad luck venus

alexia1huff
Oct 13th, 2007, 12:32 PM
nice pic of flavia her upper body looks strong, but her boobs look deflated ...

Pasta-Na
Oct 13th, 2007, 12:34 PM
congratulations, flavia, even some of ur fans always annoy me :angel: hope u will be back in top 20 soon :p

Brandon85
Oct 13th, 2007, 12:35 PM
good work!

mygirlV
Oct 13th, 2007, 12:38 PM
oh never mind ;)

Flavia, cant believe it :worship:

No hard feeling:wavey: . Just like tennis and love me some Vee, win or lose. I take it as they come.

new-york
Oct 13th, 2007, 12:42 PM
this is why i wished she'd have played some bigger tournies, to get used to top level of tennis instead of struggling to win against other players.

i do hope that at least she enjoyed her time in Asia, great places to visit.:angel:

NeeemZ
Oct 13th, 2007, 12:48 PM
Definitely didn't see this one coming.

V-MAC
Oct 13th, 2007, 12:52 PM
Vee :hug: Now rest up for YEC :armed:

tae04
Oct 13th, 2007, 12:55 PM
mess

Kim's_fan_4ever
Oct 13th, 2007, 12:56 PM
Wow Flavia :worship: You rock girl :D

Renalicious
Oct 13th, 2007, 01:04 PM
Holy SHIT.

WHAT THE EFF VENUS. WHAT THE HELL!? :fiery:

I betted all my Vcash on you :sad: Oh Venus. What a disgusting loss.

TheBoiledEgg
Oct 13th, 2007, 01:07 PM
And everytime someone beats Venus they are going to be top 20, top 10. You all can't have it both way. Either "Venus is done and washed up and everyone can beat her, or she is a benchmark for the other players to see how well they are playing and where they are going to end up in the ranking".:tape: :tape: :(

Flavia's already been top 16 :rolleyes: :p

Blu€
Oct 13th, 2007, 01:13 PM
I saw this one coming, it looked too easy for Venus

servenrichie
Oct 13th, 2007, 01:21 PM
FORZA Flavia Penetta!!!!!!!!!!!!

You go girl :yeah:

Venus can't even win Tier IIIs now :lol:
Says a Jankovic fan:lol: That was really funny:lol::lol:
I predicted some months back that Jankovic is on her way down. She is only in the top 5 because she plays every week. Winning tournaments for her will become a tall order in the future:o

Williams#1
Oct 13th, 2007, 01:22 PM
I thought it was an excellent idea to play in Asia. The lower rank tournies definetly need some promotion and I personally think that Vee sometimes struggles against lower rank players. She played well throughtout and even added an extra tournament. She shouldn't be bashed for that or retire just because she lost to a professional player. That's something I think womens tennis needs to realize. Almost every man on the ATP tour can beat anyone on any giving day if they come out swingin right! The WTA is starting to get like that as well. Flavia played well. She took her chances and fought hard. Venus might not have play her best, but who does when they lose!. Take some positives and be grateful she played 3 weeks straight! Venus rest up, improve your serve and if you qualify for Madrid....SHOOTOUT! YOU BETTA GET'EM!:armed:

southpaw58
Oct 13th, 2007, 01:24 PM
whoa i'm speechless.

well congrats to flavia. i don't know what to say vee, 2 really outtta whack losses--rest up.

Olórin
Oct 13th, 2007, 01:27 PM
Venus :smash: :hysteric:

SV_Fan
Oct 13th, 2007, 01:29 PM
She is tired.

supergrunt
Oct 13th, 2007, 01:34 PM
Venus :( !

maja.amelie
Oct 13th, 2007, 01:36 PM
:eek: Venus :sad:

ChampLindsay
Oct 13th, 2007, 01:36 PM
amazing performance by Flavia, she deserved it:hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

so now go for the title Flavia:worship: :worship:

Rocketta
Oct 13th, 2007, 01:37 PM
:haha: @ the people taking this match so serious! :help:

Renalicious
Oct 13th, 2007, 01:38 PM
ugh, venus. I'm tired of your upset shit. Razzano and now fricken Flavia!? IN STRAIGHT FRICKEN SETS!? I seriously don't get how you beat Ivanovic, Jankovic, Sharapova, Hantuchova BUT YOU CANNOT BEAT GODDAMN RAZZANO AND PENNETTA IN A FRICKEN TIER III!?

Jenny.C.Fan
Oct 13th, 2007, 01:39 PM
Great win for Flavia, its been a tough year for her, but this week she has shown she belongs in the top 20.

FORZA SARITA
Oct 13th, 2007, 01:40 PM
:haha: @ the people taking this match so serious! :help:

:haha: @ you

Effy
Oct 13th, 2007, 01:42 PM
Says a Jankovic fan:lol: That was really funny:lol::lol:
I predicted some months back that Jankovic is on her way down. She is only in the top 5 because she plays every week. Winning tournaments for her will become a tall order in the future:o

someone is too upset :D

She is tired.

no, she isnt. Better player of the match win

ugh, venus. I'm tired of your upset shit. Razzano and now fricken Flavia!? IN STRAIGHT FRICKEN SETS!? I seriously don't get how you beat Ivanovic, Jankovic, Sharapova, Hantuchova BUT YOU CANNOT BEAT GODDAMN RAZZANO AND PENNETTA IN A FRICKEN TIER III!?

u should calm down and get a life, honey :wavey:

saint2
Oct 13th, 2007, 01:43 PM
Venus thought 3 Asian Events=3 easy titles...Not so easy, I see :lol: :lol: :lol:

Renalicious
Oct 13th, 2007, 01:51 PM
u should calm down and get a life, honey :wavey:

That wasn't funny, I'm not the one who's posted almost ten thousand posts.

PWNT. :)

Fan_of_Venus
Oct 13th, 2007, 01:57 PM
:armed: Noooooooooooooooo! V :hysteric:
I can't believe you actually let this chick beat you. :o
:angel: Better luck next time V!

Mightymirza
Oct 13th, 2007, 01:57 PM
forza flavia...

mygirlV
Oct 13th, 2007, 02:01 PM
Flavia's already been top 16 :rolleyes: :p

And:confused: . So what is the big fuss about? Get a grip. I could care less about Venus' wins or her losses. I like tennis, Venus just happen to be my favorite.

*W*
Oct 13th, 2007, 02:09 PM
venus must rest before the YEC,so it was the right step:)

AlexBarrington
Oct 13th, 2007, 02:11 PM
Venus wasn't tired at all :lol: she played some great shot, her serve was :help: while FLavia had a great first serve. I like Venus too, so calm down! I think Vee should player bigger tournaments, just to have bigger motivations ;)

crazillo
Oct 13th, 2007, 02:17 PM
Flavia, this is one of your biggest wins ever. :D
Nice to see her back, I missed Flavia so much. :(

*W*
Oct 13th, 2007, 02:21 PM
obvously venus wasn't playing her disruptive tennis because she won't drop out from top 8 so it didn't cost her to loose power or energy on "flavia" :)

.:sk:.
Oct 13th, 2007, 02:22 PM
:woohoo:

Well done Flavia :bounce:

tennnisfannn
Oct 13th, 2007, 02:23 PM
Personally I have been so mad at venus for playing so many low tier events, i had rather she focused for just moscow and perhaps zurich. After three tournys, she still isn't assured YEC.:fiery:
Who knows, she came to seoul playing such high form grand slam type tennis, now she has descended to the level of her opponents!!!!!:fiery::fiery::fiery:
You better make the YEC ir I will be so mad!!!!:fiery::fiery::fiery::fiery::fiery::fiery:
Did i already say how mad I would be:fiery:

spencercarlos
Oct 13th, 2007, 02:25 PM
:haha: @ the people taking this match so serious! :help:
For sure World Team Tennis does not count as an official event :yeah:

Ops wait a minute... Venus lost in a Tier III event again? :bounce:


:wavey:

lizchris
Oct 13th, 2007, 02:25 PM
Why are people so mad that Venus lost?

First the complaint from fans is that Venus doesn't play in the fall. Well, she played this fall and and her results are a win, a final and a semifinal. What's more important is that Veus has secured enough points to likely qualify for the YEC. Plus, being that she is #7 in the race as of today, if Sharapova or Hantuchova does well,expect to see Venus in Linz to make sure she qualifies (though I think she will qualify after Zurich as I believe Maria and Daniela will lose early).

"Topaz"
Oct 13th, 2007, 02:28 PM
ugh, venus. I'm tired of your upset shit. Razzano and now fricken Flavia!? IN STRAIGHT FRICKEN SETS!? I seriously don't get how you beat Ivanovic, Jankovic, Sharapova, Hantuchova BUT YOU CANNOT BEAT GODDAMN RAZZANO AND PENNETTA IN A FRICKEN TIER III!?
:o I don't know if I should laugh or cry. :o

Lulu.
Oct 13th, 2007, 02:34 PM
Venus. :tape:

Apparently playing smaller events wasn't such a good idea after all. :shrug:

Renalicious
Oct 13th, 2007, 02:40 PM
:o I don't know if I should laugh or cry. :o

Cry. For sure.

V-MAC
Oct 13th, 2007, 02:47 PM
aww I don't feel so bad about Vee's loss seeing how much Flavia's win means to her fans here :) :hug:

Juarito
Oct 13th, 2007, 02:53 PM
Come on Flavia!!

Vlover
Oct 13th, 2007, 02:53 PM
Venus can't even win Tier IIIs now :lol:
[QUOTE=Demska;11817788]:haha: :haha: :haha:

This is a top 10 player?

Shame on her that she can only win The Championships and gave the #1 player the best challenge in the semi's at the USO.:rolleyes: Have your fun but try and use common sense at the same time.

OK Vee, now take the time to rest, recover properly and work on the serve.:kiss:

V-MAC
Oct 13th, 2007, 02:54 PM
Why are people so mad that Venus lost?

First the complaint from fans is that Venus doesn't play in the fall. Well, she played this fall and and her results are a win, a final and a semifinal. What's more important is that Veus has secured enough points to likely qualify for the YEC. Plus, being that she is #7 in the race as of today, if Sharapova or Hantuchova does well,expect to see Venus in Linz to make sure she qualifies (though I think she will qualify after Zurich as I believe Maria and Daniela will lose early).

As much as I like my fellow Venus fans here, I think a lot of them expect too much from Venus (I mean she isn't a robot programmed to win every single event). Vee seems to receive far more criticism for her losses than any other top player. I mean yeah we know Vee should be winning these kinds of matches but big deal if she slips up now and again, it happens to everyone :shrug:

btw Liz, I'd be really surprised if Vee enters Linz. I think she is done with tennis for the moment and will only play the YEC if she qualifies on what she has as of right now. I might be wrong though.

Effy
Oct 13th, 2007, 02:56 PM
That wasn't funny, I'm not the one who's posted almost ten thousand posts.

PWNT. :)

Vee and Serenatard is too upset :hug: im so sorry for u :sad: what has my number of post to do with the great well-deserved Flavia win over Venus? :D

Karsten Braasch
Oct 13th, 2007, 03:00 PM
:)

Renalicious
Oct 13th, 2007, 03:02 PM
Nothing. You said I need to get a life.

I'm happy for Flavia, obviously it meant a lot to her fans. I'm just disappointed in Venus.

Im actually kind of sorry for you, using bad sarcasm and posting bad humour...

Reese_x
Oct 13th, 2007, 03:07 PM
wow, this morning i was so sure it was gna be Yan and Venus in the finals..
so many upsets this tournament with Jelena retiring in the first round and venus not eraching the finals..
i still have awesome seats for tomorrows final but im kinda :( with goin now cause im not crazy about Penetta or Chan.. not saying it wont be a great match but just not wat i expected..
tennis is so unpredictable..

Effy
Oct 13th, 2007, 03:19 PM
Nothing. You said I need to get a life.

I'm happy for Flavia, obviously it meant a lot to her fans. I'm just disappointed in Venus.

Im actually kind of sorry for you, using bad sarcasm and posting bad humour...

i said u need to get a life coz u cant get over the fact that Flavia was better today.
u should be disappointed, i understand :hug: tie III loss again :awww:

ce
Oct 13th, 2007, 03:22 PM
:tape:

Chance
Oct 13th, 2007, 03:24 PM
congrats Flavia.

Oh well Vee rest up and come back and play better in the YEC.

Infiniti2001
Oct 13th, 2007, 03:25 PM
I had this horribe dream last night and jumped from my sleep (not about Venus) It's as if I was expecting this :shrug: Oh well! I am so pleased that Miss Venus was out and about for 3 weeks this late in the year .Well done :yeah: and go get some much needed rest http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/7959/blowkisshe3.gif

Renalicious
Oct 13th, 2007, 03:27 PM
i said u need to get a life coz u cant get over the fact that Flavia was better today.
u should be disappointed, i understand :hug: tie III loss again :awww:

No, grats to Flavia. I'm disaappointed because Venus failed to play her best today. We all know that if Venus and Flavia play their bests, Venus will win. That is why I'm disappointed, because Venus did not show up. :rolleyes:

Geisha
Oct 13th, 2007, 03:36 PM
UGH. Frustrating.

W/E im just happy to see Venus playing, but still...first Razzano and now this.

Cat's Pajamas
Oct 13th, 2007, 03:46 PM
Venus :weirdo:

I'm so fed up with tennis at the moment. :o :rolleyes:

plantman
Oct 13th, 2007, 03:53 PM
Nicely done Flavia !:bounce: :bounce:

maddyus
Oct 13th, 2007, 03:55 PM
:bounce: :bounce: Wow Flavia :kiss:
I still can't believe it!!GRANDE FLAVIAAA!!

Infiniti2001
Oct 13th, 2007, 03:56 PM
Venus :weirdo:

I'm so fed up with tennis at the moment. :o :rolleyes:

The sooner you accept that Venus cannot win every single she plays, the better off you will be :shrug:

Il Primo!
Oct 13th, 2007, 03:57 PM
What a mess, Venus!! :weirdo:

starin
Oct 13th, 2007, 04:00 PM
:tape: :lol: suprising but not really. Venus is still a mess outside of Wimbledon. Absolutely no consistency from match to match. I've seen Pennetta play and Venus must have played like absolute shit to have lost in straight sets. :tape:

Il Primo!
Oct 13th, 2007, 04:10 PM
The sooner you accept that Venus cannot win every single she plays, the better off you will be :shrug:

So what, we have to accept wackiness? She didn't win last week, she doesn't this week and it's still a fucking tier98! Let alone the fact she loses against Pennetta, a chick who couldn't enter a ball in the court to save her life like one mounth ago!?

Venus has no excuse this time and it's totally normal to be mad at her!

TomTennis
Oct 13th, 2007, 04:12 PM
I watched the tiebreak, not pretty tennis from Venus. She even had a few chances to level the match at one set all but fluffed it. Well done to Flavia for being consistent, but Venus should have played better.

I like the fact that Venus has played these lower tier tournaments for the past few weeks, its given her chances to work out some kinks in her game, so rest up and practice for the YEC :bounce:

Rocketta
Oct 13th, 2007, 04:13 PM
For sure World Team Tennis does not count as an official event :yeah:

Ops wait a minute... Venus lost in a Tier III event again? :bounce:


:wavey:

:haha: @ people who take this loss so seriously!



Oh, wait it's not kind to laugh at :cuckoo: :crazy: people but y'all are so funny! :lol:

TomTennis
Oct 13th, 2007, 04:14 PM
So what, we have to accept wackiness? She didn't win last week, she doesn't this week and it's still a fucking tier98! Let alone the fact she loses against Pennetta, a chick who couldn't enter a ball in the court to save her life like one mounth ago!?

Venus has no excuse this time and it's totally normal to be mad at her!

"YOUR" right to be mad at HER!? Are you freaking kidding me. Listen Frenchie, go and get a life because it seems like your mooching off Venus'. The only person with the right to be mad is Venus. If you read some of her quotes after the match you'll see that she knows she played bad and she hit a ton or errors. Match prep for the YEC is whats important right now, not some tier III title in Bangok :wavey:

Rocketta
Oct 13th, 2007, 04:15 PM
So what, we have to accept wackiness? She didn't win last week, she doesn't this week and it's still a fucking tier98! Let alone the fact she loses against Pennetta, a chick who couldn't enter a ball in the court to save her life like one mounth ago!?

Venus has no excuse this time and it's totally normal to be mad at her!

you have to accept reality. Reality is Venus is not going to win every match. She's not going to win every match you think she should and she's not going to lose every match you think she might. :shrug:

LindsayRulz
Oct 13th, 2007, 04:18 PM
Venus :sad:

Reese_x
Oct 13th, 2007, 04:21 PM
How about Venus fans move on and support her in any way you'd like and Pennetta fans also move on and support her in tomorrows final :)

martin white
Oct 13th, 2007, 04:22 PM
im not a huge fan of either player but nice win for flavia:eek: guess we see why venus has been playing these weak tier 111 and iv events, she is beatable and we probably get knocked out early in moscow or if she played zurich! god i wish akiko did the job at wimby before choking on the win,good to see some depth in the wta.:)

friendsita
Oct 13th, 2007, 04:25 PM
OMG!!!
VENUS SHOULD PLAY JUST GRAND SLAMS AND TIER I EVENTS, SHE PLAYS THEM BETTER.

Il Primo!
Oct 13th, 2007, 04:33 PM
Glad to see Serena back in the final of a tier 1 :bounce:

"YOUR" right to be mad at HER!? Are you freaking kidding me. Listen Frenchie, go and get a life because it seems like your mooching off Venus'. The only person with the right to be mad is Venus. If you read some of her quotes after the match you'll see that she knows she played bad and she hit a ton or errors. Match prep for the YEC is whats important right now, not some tier III title in Bangok :wavey:

Damnit. Nonsense.

Being a tennis aficionado, I experience feelings! Feelings change with the circumstances. Serena won, you're glad (as you said), it's a feeling caused by Serena. Venus sucked big time, I'm mad at her, it's a feeling caused by Venus. Thus I have the right to be mad at Venus, you have the right to be glad for Serena. And before you jump on it, I could have said "I'm angry", it doesn't really change anything. Being "mad at her" and "being angry" is kind of the the same thing.
So stop agressing me for BS and being so haughty with me, we didn't raise the pigs together.

you have to accept reality. Reality is Venus is not going to win every match. She's not going to win every match you think she should and she's not going to lose every match you think she might. :shrug:


I know it. As I said, she lost last week against a nobody, I wasn't that upset. When she lost to Justine, I hadn't any resentment but just disappointment. But this time it's too much, sorry. Do I have the right to have feelings?Damn :o If people are not implicated in what they see, I don't think it's worth following the game.

hurricanejeanne
Oct 13th, 2007, 04:34 PM
Venus, please rest up. :hug:
Congrats Flavia! Finally getting her career back together. :)

starin
Oct 13th, 2007, 04:38 PM
Damnit. Nonsense.

Being a tennis aficionado, I experience feelings! Feelings change with the circumstances. Serena won, you're glad (as you said), it's a feeling caused by Serena. Venus sucked big time, I'm mad at her, it's a feeling caused by Venus. Thus I have the right to be mad at Venus, you have the right to be glad for Serena. And before you jump on it, I could have said "I'm angry", it doesn't really change anything. Being "mad at her" and "being angry" is kind of the the same thing.
So stop agressing me for BS and being so haughty with me, we didn't raise the pigs together.




I know it. As I said, she lost last week against a nobody, I wasn't that upset. When she lost to Justine, I hadn't any resentment but just disappointment. But this time it's too much, sorry. Do I have the right to have feelings?Damn :o If people are not implicated in what they see, I don't think it's worth following the game.

yes this is a pathetic loss to a bad player at Tier III in straight sets :tape:
But we've all seen how badly Venus is capable of playing. I've seen her literally give 3/4 games away with 16 straight UE and DFs. So losing to Pennetta is not that surprising. This loss only shows that she is playing at the level she was playing at b4 Wimbledon and USO. Which is that crazy up and down level where she can beat anybody and lose to anybody.

Effy
Oct 13th, 2007, 04:44 PM
keep saying that Flavia is a "bad" player, if it makes u feel better :hug:

Olórin
Oct 13th, 2007, 04:48 PM
keep saying that Flavia is a "bad" player, if it makes u feel better :hug:

Actually saying Flavia is a bad player would make one feel worse would it not?

I would much rather Venus be defeated in straights by Henin or Serena.

BuTtErFrEnA
Oct 13th, 2007, 04:48 PM
le xiax :hug: don't fear...she will make it up to you somehow lol

manatee :rolleyes: you only seem to appear when venus loses

i'm disappointed but not mad....she played 3 tournies in a row so i am proud of her

-Sonic-
Oct 13th, 2007, 04:55 PM
I'm sure Venus will be fine to qualify for the YEC.

However, for those of you who aren't so sure: How can you be such a great player to win a GS in a year, but not have enough results to back it up to get a spot in the top 8 eight YEC? I think thats shameful.

I never think its a great idea for a top player to play too many events tier 3 and below. One or two a year, whether it be for confidence, match practice after an injury, change of surface, playing @ home etc is fine - - but playing 3 in a row like this, it can only bring the level of a top player down to that of a tier 3 player.

Play the best => you play better to cope with it.
Play those ranked below => your play gets dragged down.

And not to take anything away from Flavia, but that reasoning above is so true.

Tennisaddict
Oct 13th, 2007, 05:01 PM
Unbelievable, I could understand her loss to Razzano but this? I hope she has done enough to make the Yec and that she will take a good rest.

starin
Oct 13th, 2007, 05:02 PM
keep saying that Flavia is a "bad" player, if it makes u feel better :hug:

what she's not that good. I've seen her play and was unimpressed. her movement is poor and the rest of her game is not that spectacular. She's not one of those players like sprem, dokic, razzano, etc who have lots of potential and don't live up to it. Or even an up and comer like Azarenka, Paszek,etc. She's a journeywoman, a good journeywoman but still that's all. And Venus losing to her is a very bad loss. ain't not denying the truth.

winone23
Oct 13th, 2007, 05:02 PM
Venus please get your serve back before YEC, rest up!!

Scotso
Oct 13th, 2007, 05:02 PM
Flavia :banana:

njnetswill
Oct 13th, 2007, 05:03 PM
:unsure: Razzano I can understand, but Flavia? :confused: :lol:

new-york
Oct 13th, 2007, 05:04 PM
I'm sure Venus will be fine to qualify for the YEC.

However, for those of you who aren't so sure: How can you be such a great player to win a GS in a year, but not have enough results to back it up to get a spot in the top 8 eight YEC? I think thats shameful.

I never think its a great idea for a top player to play too many events tier 3 and below. One or two a year, whether it be for confidence, match practice after an injury, change of surface, playing @ home etc is fine - - but playing 3 in a row like this, it can only bring the level of a top player down to that of a tier 3 player.

Play the best => you play better to cope with it.
Play those ranked below => your play gets dragged down.

And not to take anything away from Flavia, but that reasoning above is so true.

yay post.

starin
Oct 13th, 2007, 05:06 PM
I'm sure Venus will be fine to qualify for the YEC.

However, for those of you who aren't so sure: How can you be such a great player to win a GS in a year, but not have enough results to back it up to get a spot in the top 8 eight YEC? I think thats shameful.

I never think its a great idea for a top player to play too many events tier 3 and below. One or two a year, whether it be for confidence, match practice after an injury, change of surface, playing @ home etc is fine - - but playing 3 in a row like this, it can only bring the level of a top player down to that of a tier 3 player.

Play the best => you play better to cope with it.
Play those ranked below => your play gets dragged down.

And not to take anything away from Flavia, but that reasoning above is so true.

too true. Plus you lose confidence when you lose to the bad players that populate the Tier III's and IV's and you don't gain that much confidence by beating them cuz jsut cuz you can beat Flavia Penneta doesn't mean you're going to be able to beat Ana Ivanovic but if you lose to someone like Penneta it prob. means you will get thrashed by Ivanovic.

Also, what does that say about the WTA tour that someone who is losing to journeywomen in Tier III's is also winning slams (a la Serena and Venus). Womens' tennis is crazy. Nothing makes sense in the game anymore. The only consistent force is Justine, all the other women are crazy.

VenusSerenaBlvd.
Oct 13th, 2007, 05:08 PM
Venus can play up and down, not just at different tournaments but even within tournaments. Wimbledon this year was a perfect example of how she can play like crap the first couple of rounds and then turn on a switch. Vee needs to rest up and prep for the YEC (which I think she will still make).

I don't know what some of you are talking about. I mean Venus has had wins vs. many of the top 10 players - Ivanovic, Jankovic, Kuzy. She has trouble with playing against the lower ranked ones. I think playing these 3 weeks was pretty useful. I feel that Vee should have played the upper tier tourneys, but hey it was her choice to play the Asian circuit. And she still did a great job playing there. All the top players lose to lower ranked players during their careers. It just sucks when it happens, but hey it was still a great year for V!

Effy
Oct 13th, 2007, 05:09 PM
what she's not that good. I've seen her play and was unimpressed. her movement is poor and the rest of her game is not that spectacular. She's not one of those players like sprem, dokic, razzano, etc who have lots of potential and don't live up to it. Or even an up and comer like Azarenka, Paszek,etc. She's a journeywoman, a good journeywoman but still that's all. And Venus losing to her is a very bad loss. ain't not denying the truth.

the loss still hurts, doesnt it? :awww:

u judge Flavia by one match? im sure u never seen her play in 2004 or 2005

serenafann
Oct 13th, 2007, 05:12 PM
Congrats Flavia.
Good try Venus.[Now rest]

Effy
Oct 13th, 2007, 05:12 PM
:unsure: Razzano I can understand, but Flavia? :confused: :lol:

no, if ur Queen Vee is da best she shouldnt have lost to Razzano either but she did.

too true. Plus you lose confidence when you lose to the bad players that populate the Tier III's and IV's and you don't gain that much confidence by beating them cuz jsut cuz you can beat Flavia Penneta doesn't mean you're going to be able to beat Ana Ivanovic but if you lose to someone like Penneta it prob. means you will get thrashed by Ivanovic.

u keep saying that Flavia is a bad player, shows how much respect u have towards others but WS, no surprise here. Most of WS fans never give credit

Lindsayfanumber1
Oct 13th, 2007, 05:26 PM
Flavia :eek: :worship:
Amazing win :D

UDACHi
Oct 13th, 2007, 05:28 PM
flavia looked absolutely terrible when i saw her play not too long ago, but it seems that her form has returned. she's always dangerous if things are going her way.
venus. :shrug:

Zamboni
Oct 13th, 2007, 05:37 PM
what she's not that good. I've seen her play and was unimpressed. her movement is poor and the rest of her game is not that spectacular. She's not one of those players like sprem, dokic, razzano, etc who have lots of potential and don't live up to it. Or even an up and comer like Azarenka, Paszek,etc. She's a journeywoman, a good journeywoman but still that's all. And Venus losing to her is a very bad loss. ain't not denying the truth.
Her movement is poor?
Did you seriously see her play? When?
I think her movement is one of the very few aspects of her game that survived during the first 6 months of this year.

I can't believe how people think a loss against Razzano is more understandable than a loss against Flavia. Pre-injury Flavia was actually a really good player. I really hope this win, and the whole of her Asian run, mean that she's getting back to where she's been before. I'm sure she is though, the signs were already there in june:yeah:
Good luck in the final, Flavia:kiss:


Oh, and I agree that a player like Venus shouldn't play 3 tier-III's in a row. Even winning all three of them wouldn't have been "great" for her, I think.

Jubilee
Oct 13th, 2007, 05:37 PM
I Wonder Why I'm A Venus Fan Sometimes, Losing Matches With Match And Set Points Lately, Jeez.
Venus Horrible.

...it is always painful for a true fan after a fave loses, but Vee has proven time and time again that she IS the real deal :worship:

Singles Titles: 36
Singles GrandSlam Titles: 6
Singles Olympics Gold Medal: 1
Ladies Doubles GrandSlam Titles: 6
Ladies Olympics Doubles Gold Medal: 1
Mixed Doubles GranSlam Titles: 2
V. Williams' Career Achievements abundantly qualifies her as one of the all-time great WTA Legends.

Pennetta cherishes this win dearly :)

AlexBarrington
Oct 13th, 2007, 05:41 PM
Jubilee There isn't any player "PANETTA" you know very much her :rolleyes:

starin
Oct 13th, 2007, 05:42 PM
Her movement is poor?
Did you seriously see her play? When?
I think her movement is one of the very few aspects of her game that survived during the first 6 months of this year.

I can't believe how people think a loss against Razzano is more understandable than a loss against Flavia. Pre-injury Flavia was actually a really good player. I really hope this win, and the whole of her Asian run, mean that she's getting back to where she's been before. I'm sure she is though, the signs were already there in june:yeah:
Good luck in the final, Flavia:kiss:


Oh, and I agree that a player like Venus shouldn't play 3 tier-III's in a row. Even winning all three of them wouldn't have been "great" for her, I think.

Fed Cup. And she looked extremely mediocre there.

AlexBarrington
Oct 13th, 2007, 05:47 PM
Fed Cup. And she looked extremely mediocre there.

When Fed Cup? Lat time she played was against Peng and she won, and before against Henin in FInal at Charleroi, in which she lost 4-6 5-7 playing well, and before against Spain destroyed AMG 6-3 6-0 and Dominguez Lino. Probably you made a non sense post and now u dont know what to say..

AND I'M NOT SURPRISED LOOKING AT THE MAN IN YOUR AVATAR :tape: :tape: :tape:

Zamboni
Oct 13th, 2007, 05:51 PM
Fed Cup. And she looked extremely mediocre there.
vs Peng?
Yes, that was in the middle of her slump, of course she looked mediocre then:rolleyes:


There's no use in using her form in april as a marker for how she might have played today though:tape:

Todays win was a steady win for her, very steady. Say what you want, but she was leading all through the match, and she kept her head together in the 2nd set when Venus broke back, and in the tiebreak, which must have been really exciting for her. After the year she's has, this is huge for her, and anything but mediocre.

Jubilee
Oct 13th, 2007, 05:53 PM
Jubilee There isn't any player "PANETTA" you know very much her :rolleyes:

Thanks for the correction :)

ilovethewilliams
Oct 13th, 2007, 06:09 PM
Venus just needs to freaking retire already. All three Asian tournaments she should have won the title. Any top player wouldn't lose to journeywomen like the way Venus is doing right now. She needs to get some flava in her life and stop messing around spoiled vanilla.

LefandePatty
Oct 13th, 2007, 06:17 PM
Flavia. :aparty:

Drake1980
Oct 13th, 2007, 06:21 PM
:eek::D:woohoo:

hingis-seles
Oct 13th, 2007, 06:30 PM
Interesting trend in Venus' results in Asia. She seems to be losing a step each week.

Seoul: Champion.
Tokyo: Finalist.
Bangkok: Semifinalist.

andrewC
Oct 13th, 2007, 06:37 PM
Poor Venus... I guess no match is a given for her anymore... Hope she learns from this and doesn't give up ;) Hope to see her in the YEC and for her to win it! :banana:

GogoGirl
Oct 13th, 2007, 06:38 PM
Hey All,

Anyone that says Venus should retire needs to look into the mirror and may haps retire themselves. I've always found it a little sad that certain player's so-called fans say the same thing upon their so-called favorite player's loss. They take it to heart seemingly more than the said player(s). If Venus wasn't playing, some would complain about that. And now that she is and for the most part is healthy, some complain about that. It's a good thing, Venus could care less what anyone on this board thinks, for she doesn't even have to be out there. She is rich, mind you.

I am just happy to see Venus still around. I thought she would be gone by now. I really do believe that next year will be her last (after the Olympics), so I just want to savor the realization that she is still standing now, in 2007 & hopefully, in 2008. She is on a mission to make the Olympic team.

Another thing some don't seem to get is that this is a tour that these ladies compete on. No one can win them all. If so, then why play the game? What would be the point?

I appreciate the fans that love the game first and then their so-called fave(s). Why can't some just (and like Venus has said) accept that "it is what it is?" The league is always evolving, and parity is one of the aspects of it. Good on Flave for getting the job done. Venus knows she didn't deserve to win, because she didn't execute well enough when it counted. Why can't some see that? It really is beyond childish for some to suggest a player retire because said player got outplayed - and for whatever reason.

After all, she had just beaten her previous opponent 6-1, 6-1. Today, she was not able to play her best in order to beat Flave's best. It really is that simple. We need to be happy that Venus and others are healthy at/by this point of the year, and be happy that she will be back next year.

"GOOD GOING - VENUS" "STAY STRONG AND HEALTHY - BECAUSE SOME OF US WILL SORELY MISS YOU WHEN YOU'RE GONE"

Matt01
Oct 13th, 2007, 06:42 PM
u keep saying that Flavia is a bad player, shows how much respect u have towards others but WS, no surprise here. Most of WS fans never give credit

I wouldn't go THAT far...but probably lots of them...

Good post otherwise, though. :yeah:

disco_rage
Oct 13th, 2007, 06:42 PM
Wow. Well done Flavia!

Matt01
Oct 13th, 2007, 06:44 PM
AND I'M NOT SURPRISED LOOKING AT THE MAN IN YOUR AVATAR :tape: :tape: :tape:

Attacking someone by bashing another poster's favorite is a bit cheap, don't you think?

jonny84
Oct 13th, 2007, 06:44 PM
A great win for Flavia! Really hope she can win the title now!

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Oct 13th, 2007, 06:45 PM
Flavia is back !

Win the title tomorrow :bounce:

hingisGOAT
Oct 13th, 2007, 07:54 PM
:haha:

LudwigDvorak
Oct 13th, 2007, 07:58 PM
*shrug* I'm happy for Flavia. Big win for her, and I've been excited she's returning to the top 40 soon. She's a solid top 20 player, easily, and deserves to be there. I can't forget how well she played against Sharapova at Wimbledon last year.

Take the title. :)

Forehand_Volley
Oct 13th, 2007, 08:09 PM
Hey All,

Anyone that says Venus should retire needs to look into the mirror and may haps retire themselves.
Profound.

You do realize you are talking to a large group of teenagers?

LucasArg
Oct 13th, 2007, 08:12 PM
Venus is not focused. She needs to rest for the YEC.

V-MAC
Oct 13th, 2007, 08:14 PM
Hey All,

Anyone that says Venus should retire needs to look into the mirror and may haps retire themselves. I've always found it a little sad that certain player's so-called fans say the same thing upon their so-called favorite player's loss. They take it to heart seemingly more than the said player(s). If Venus wasn't playing, some would complain about that. And now that she is and for the most part is healthy, some complain about that. It's a good thing, Venus could care less what anyone on this board thinks, for she doesn't even have to be out there. She is rich, mind you.

I am just happy to see Venus still around. I thought she would be gone by now. I really do believe that next year will be her last (after the Olympics), so I just want to savor the realization that she is still standing now, in 2007 & hopefully, in 2008. She is on a mission to make the Olympic team.

Another thing some don't seem to get is that this is a tour that these ladies compete on. No one can win them all. If so, then why play the game? What would be the point?

I appreciate the fans that love the game first and then their so-called fave(s). Why can't some just (and like Venus has said) accept that "it is what it is?" The league is always evolving, and parity is one of the aspects of it. Good on Flave for getting the job done. Venus knows she didn't deserve to win, because she didn't execute well enough when it counted. Why can't some see that? It really is beyond childish for some to suggest a player retire because said player got outplayed - and for whatever reason.

After all, she had just beaten her previous opponent 6-1, 6-1. Today, she was not able to play her best in order to beat Flave's best. It really is that simple. We need to be happy that Venus and others are healthy at/by this point of the year, and be happy that she will be back next year.

"GOOD GOING - VENUS" "STAY STRONG AND HEALTHY - BECAUSE SOME OF US WILL SORELY MISS YOU WHEN YOU'RE GONE"


Good Lord no, Venus will be around for a long time yet ;) In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if she was still active on the tour by the time the London olympics come around. I know you could argue about her injuries taking their toll but she plays a limited schedule anyway so I think her body will hold up. I'm just trying to be really optimistic :lol:

darrinbaker00
Oct 13th, 2007, 08:20 PM
Venus Williams has no business losing to Flavia Pennetta on a non-clay surface. Period.

Rocketta
Oct 13th, 2007, 08:28 PM
Venus Williams has no business losing to Flavia Pennetta on a non-clay surface. Period.

says who? You? You're not the boss of Venus. :rolleyes:

WhatTheDeuce
Oct 13th, 2007, 08:31 PM
Venus :sad: Disappointing loss. Second straight tournament that was hers for the taking. Blah. This better not mess up her YEC chances.

Really nice to see Flavia having some nice results though, I must say.

Beat
Oct 13th, 2007, 08:51 PM
pennetta has actually managed to turn things around, she's been playing so much better lately :yeah:

Serenita
Oct 13th, 2007, 09:02 PM
Hey All,

Anyone that says Venus should retire needs to look into the mirror and may haps retire themselves. I've always found it a little sad that certain player's so-called fans say the same thing upon their so-called favorite player's loss. They take it to heart seemingly more than the said player(s). If Venus wasn't playing, some would complain about that. And now that she is and for the most part is healthy, some complain about that. It's a good thing, Venus could care less what anyone on this board thinks, for she doesn't even have to be out there. She is rich, mind you.

I am just happy to see Venus still around. I thought she would be gone by now. I really do believe that next year will be her last (after the Olympics), so I just want to savor the realization that she is still standing now, in 2007 & hopefully, in 2008. She is on a mission to make the Olympic team.

Another thing some don't seem to get is that this is a tour that these ladies compete on. No one can win them all. If so, then why play the game? What would be the point?

I appreciate the fans that love the game first and then their so-called fave(s). Why can't some just (and like Venus has said) accept that "it is what it is?" The league is always evolving, and parity is one of the aspects of it. Good on Flave for getting the job done. Venus knows she didn't deserve to win, because she didn't execute well enough when it counted. Why can't some see that? It really is beyond childish for some to suggest a player retire because said player got outplayed - and for whatever reason.

After all, she had just beaten her previous opponent 6-1, 6-1. Today, she was not able to play her best in order to beat Flave's best. It really is that simple. We need to be happy that Venus and others are healthy at/by this point of the year, and be happy that she will be back next year.

"GOOD GOING - VENUS" "STAY STRONG AND HEALTHY - BECAUSE SOME OF US WILL SORELY MISS YOU WHEN YOU'RE GONE"

I hope that miss V aint gonna retire next year.
But i do agree with your comments.....

RJWCapriati
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:08 PM
:speakles::speakles::speakles::speakles::speakles: :speakles::speakles:

Mynarco
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:11 PM
within my expectation...
i have a hunch that Flavia could make an upset
good job:)

ASV_FAN
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:13 PM
I thought Venus was making a mistake playing 3 events in a row, not sure why other than to gain match practice because she'll make the season ending champs. This really is a horrendous loss, hard to tell which loss is more shamefull, Razzano or Penneta?! Impossible to choose really, but to think someone of Venus' calibre could lose to either player is truly shocking.

starin
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:23 PM
I thought Venus was making a mistake playing 3 events in a row, not sure why other than to gain match practice because she'll make the season ending champs. This really is a horrendous loss, hard to tell which loss is more shamefull, Razzano or Penneta?! Impossible to choose really, but to think someone of Venus' calibre could lose to either player is truly shocking.

:worship: thank you. But not that shocking considering that Venus has a long history of losing to people she shouldn't.

Europe rocks
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:29 PM
Nice to see Flav scoring two good back-to-back wins, especially considering how far her ranking dropped this year. Win it now Flav :hearts:

Not sure why Venus went out to play these three events, when she is much better than them. But hey, it got her back to the top 10 :o

frontier
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:47 PM
Its not a loss of monumental proportions.Venus must have been tired from playing for three straight weeks and played twice in one day the previous day.I think she did well enough to gather 275 points and solidfy her no.8 ranking and its a certainty she will qualify and her ranking can go up from eight to probably no.6.I like Flavia but I think its one of those flukish wins that dont really matter.If she had lost at Wimbledon I will say all these pages are warrantied.Flavia is a top 25-30 player and will never be in the top 15,she is 25yrs and almost the same age as Venus and she has never tasted the top twenty.I dont give this win a merit because its meaningless Venus was tired and the fact that she reached the semis is great.As her faithful fans we know she will rise again as a phoenix.Go Vee!:bounce:

Bartosh
Oct 13th, 2007, 10:51 PM
Venus :sobbing: :sobbing: :hug: :hug: Please win YEC!

lizchris
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:12 PM
Venus :sad: Disappointing loss. Second straight tournament that was hers for the taking. Blah. This better not mess up her YEC chances.

Really nice to see Flavia having some nice results though, I must say.


Unless Daniela, who is the closest to possibly grabbing the final YEC spot, wins Zurich and Linz, Venu will qualify for the YEC. In fact, if you look at the Zurich draw, you'd like Venus' chances. In fact, Venus could qualify as early as early next week.

Niunia
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:25 PM
:bigclap: Flavia, take the title :)

spencercarlos
Oct 13th, 2007, 11:49 PM
Its not a loss of monumental proportions.Venus must have been tired from playing for three straight weeks and played twice in one day the previous day.I think she did well enough to gather 275 points and solidfy her no.8 ranking and its a certainty she will qualify and her ranking can go up from eight to probably no.6.I like Flavia but I think its one of those flukish wins that dont really matter.If she had lost at Wimbledon I will say all these pages are warrantied.Flavia is a top 25-30 player and will never be in the top 15,she is 25yrs and almost the same age as Venus and she has never tasted the top twenty.I dont give this win a merit because its meaningless Venus was tired and the fact that she reached the semis is great.As her faithful fans we know she will rise again as a phoenix.Go Vee!:bounce:
Sorry but this Asian tour was a really stupid decision by Venus as i stated when she signed for Tokio in the last minute.

She played 3 events, 1 Tier IV, 2 Tier III, 3 straight weeks, 14 matches, 30 sets. Walks away with 275 points. No top 20 wins.

Compare that to what Henin did in Germany, playing a Tier II event, 1 week, 4 matches, 9 sets and walked away with 300 points and 4 top 20 wins.

That´s what i call a smart scheduling.

Oh well :rolleyes:

:wavey:

Oh and for fact Penetta has been in the top 20 before in fact 16 as she was last year at some point.

frontier
Oct 14th, 2007, 12:11 AM
Sorry but this Asian tour was a really stupid decision by Venus as i stated when she signed for Tokio in the last minute.

She played 3 events, 1 Tier IV, 2 Tier III, 3 straight weeks, 14 matches, 30 sets. Walks away with 275 points. No top 20 wins.

Compare that to what Henin did in Germany, playing a Tier II event, 1 week, 4 matches, 9 sets and walked away with 300 points and 4 top 20 wins.

That´s what i call a smart scheduling.

Oh well :rolleyes:

:wavey:

Oh and for fact Penetta has been in the top 20 before in fact 16 as she was last year at some point.stfu,your hatred of Venus is unwarrantied and only Venus and her family knows why she played in Asia.As her fans we respect her decision and know she will shine again.I dont understand why you are always butting into anything related to Venus,she is not your favourite why should you care.:devil: :fiery: :p

spencercarlos
Oct 14th, 2007, 12:21 AM
stfu,your hatred of Venus is unwarrantied and only Venus and her family knows why she played in Asia.As her fans we respect her decision and know she will shine again.I dont understand why you are always butting into anything related to Venus,she is not your favourite why should you care.:devil: :fiery: :p
Yes, the expected... when you have nothing to respond to a post, all you have got left is to attack the person somehow. Most Venus fans react like this.. :bounce:

Don´t worry you don´t have words..

Good Luck at the YEC but i doubt she will get far there, as she will be still "tired" or "injured" from this tour..

:wavey:

AcesHigh
Oct 14th, 2007, 12:25 AM
Sorry but this Asian tour was a really stupid decision by Venus as i stated when she signed for Tokio in the last minute.

She played 3 events, 1 Tier IV, 2 Tier III, 3 straight weeks, 14 matches, 30 sets. Walks away with 275 points. No top 20 wins.

Compare that to what Henin did in Germany, playing a Tier II event, 1 week, 4 matches, 9 sets and walked away with 300 points and 4 top 20 wins.

That´s what i call a smart scheduling.

Oh well :rolleyes:

:wavey:

Oh and for fact Penetta has been in the top 20 before in fact 16 as she was last year at some point.

I would agree if Venus's main goal was to get points for YEC. Venus just isnt as consistent as Henin and a quarterfinal loss in Germany IMO isn't as good as winning a tournament and reaching a final. She kind of burnt out, but it was a good showing for her and we all know that Venus has never really done well in the fall indoor season.

I think the stupid part was playing 3 weeks straight especially with her "anemia" issue. Maybe she was trying to stretch herself, who knows.

I think the best choice would have been to start out at a Tier IV and then maybe go to Stutgart(sp?) or Zurich or somewhere where she would face tougher competition. However, Venus has had enough top 10 wins to prove that she shouldn't have too much of a problem except against Henin.

spencercarlos
Oct 14th, 2007, 12:41 AM
I would agree if Venus's main goal was to get points for YEC. Venus just isnt as consistent as Henin and a quarterfinal loss in Germany IMO isn't as good as winning a tournament and reaching a final. She kind of burnt out, but it was a good showing for her and we all know that Venus has never really done well in the fall indoor season.

I think the stupid part was playing 3 weeks straight especially with her "anemia" issue. Maybe she was trying to stretch herself, who knows.

I think the best choice would have been to start out at a Tier IV and then maybe go to Stutgart(sp?) or Zurich or somewhere where she would face tougher competition. However, Venus has had enough top 10 wins to prove that she shouldn't have too much of a problem except against Henin.
Yes but Venus should have choosen lets say Beijing Tier II (keep in Asia if she wanted to visit there) and Zurich Tier I. Both weeks apart from each other and i am sure Venus would have won more than 275 points betwen both of this events and played way less that she did.

But what she has now? 3 tiring weeks, only 1 tournament win, no top 20 wins, and doubts about her game perhaps for losing to considerably lower ranked players than her and also she could not beat a top 20 player along the way.

I mentioned this here http://www.wtaworld.com/showpost.php?p=11724933&postcount=33 .. but delusionals jumped on me.

:wavey:

Josh.
Oct 14th, 2007, 12:46 AM
FLAVIA!!!! well done! :yeah: :bowdown:

frontier
Oct 14th, 2007, 12:52 AM
Yes, the expected... when you have nothing to respond to a post, all you have got left is to attack the person somehow. Most Venus fans react like this.. :bounce:

Don´t worry you don´t have words..

Good Luck at the YEC but i doubt she will get far there, as she will be still "tired" or "injured" from this tour..

:wavey:you are just an ignorant hateful twat.:o

austennis
Oct 14th, 2007, 04:34 AM
OH... Ve id hoped you would win 3 straight titles and intstead its WON - R/U - SF still got record but u deserve more :p

~Eclipsed~
Oct 14th, 2007, 05:52 AM
It sucks that your results went down one step in each of the last 3 tournaments, but overrall not a bad three weeks. I hope you play the bigger events in the fall next year! Nice effort!:yeah:

Good job Flavia...this should certainly boost your confidence.:cool:

FORZA SARITA
Oct 14th, 2007, 11:23 AM
Its not a loss of monumental proportions.Venus must have been tired from playing for three straight weeks and played twice in one day the previous day.I think she did well enough to gather 275 points and solidfy her no.8 ranking and its a certainty she will qualify and her ranking can go up from eight to probably no.6.I like Flavia but I think its one of those flukish wins that dont really matter.If she had lost at Wimbledon I will say all these pages are warrantied.Flavia is a top 25-30 player and will never be in the top 15,she is 25yrs and almost the same age as Venus and she has never tasted the top twenty.I dont give this win a merit because its meaningless Venus was tired and the fact that she reached the semis is great.As her faithful fans we know she will rise again as a phoenix.Go Vee!:bounce:

idiot Flavia last year was #16

esquímaux
Oct 14th, 2007, 06:23 PM
Venus can't even win Tier IIIs now :lol::sobbing::sad:

cozy411
Oct 14th, 2007, 06:32 PM
Everybody plays below par sometimes. Venus has just done it more frequently the last few years. Even Justine has played below-par in some matches and has self-destructed in her most dominant year. Have we forgotten Miami? She was up 6-0, 5-4 with 2 mp and completely self-destructed. Wimbledon? Up 6-1, 5-4 against the likes of Marion Bartoli and then gets spanked 6-1
in the third set?

esquímaux
Oct 14th, 2007, 06:35 PM
Everybody plays below par sometimes. Venus has just done it more frequently the last few years. Even Justine has played below-par in some matches and has self-destructed in her most dominant year. Have we forgotten Miami? She was up 6-0, 5-4 with 2 mp and completely self-destructed. Wimbledon? Up 6-1, 5-4 against the likes of Marion Bartoli and then gets spanked 6-1
in the third set?:lol::sexy: