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Volcana
Jul 17th, 2002, 05:29 PM
No doubt Richard Williams deserves a lot of credit for Venus and Serena, but it seems to cheapen the value of a tennis coach when parents "coach" their kids to world-class level. So perhaps you know the real story: To what extent, in terms of mechanics, has Richard Williams served (no pun intended) as his daughters' coach? Was he really adjusting the minutiae of their grips and racket-face angles based on some tennis book? Who's actually responsible for their superior games?
óMegan Briscoe, Indianapolis

The sisters have had a few "technical" coaches like Rick Macci. When they are in Florida, they still pop over to various academies -- Serena recently spoke of hitting with Paul Henri Matthieu at Nick Bollettieri's -- and receive pointers. But remember that Venus was a phenomenon and a junior-tennis dynamo long before the family left Compton. In other words, you have to give Richard and Oracene credit.

Nice job of spreading around credit. A lot of parents mortgaging their houses to pay for Bollettieri could take heed. Teach the kid yourself, and let call in the hirelings to address specific issues.

Save a good bit o' cash.

Sophie
Jul 17th, 2002, 05:54 PM
It seems to me that the Williams deserve credit, in part, for being patient. I mean that some parents seem to want a lot of junior success for their children, sending them to academies when they are young, to insure that.

barmaid
Jul 17th, 2002, 07:10 PM
Interesting to note that whereas they have used many coaches for their expertise (and no doubt have contributed to their huge success) they have never to my knowledge thanked them publically for their endeavours..they always thank their parents and family (and Serena has mentioned God) but I haven't heard any other thanks expressed to any coach or coaches?????:rolleyes:


barmaid:wavey:

Raj
Jul 17th, 2002, 07:14 PM
EXCELLENT POINT barmaid.

TSequoia01
Jul 17th, 2002, 07:20 PM
Originally posted by barmaid
Interesting to note that whereas they have used many coaches for their expertise (and no doubt have contributed to their huge success) they have never to my knowledge thanked them publically for their endeavours..they always thank their parents and family (and Serena has mentioned God) but I haven't heard any other thanks expressed to any coach or coaches?????:rolleyes:


barmaid:wavey:

Hmmm probably thanked them when they wrote the checks :cool:

Volcana
Jul 17th, 2002, 07:29 PM
They remember to thank the people who did and do the coaching, as opposed to the 'hired help'.

Infiniti2001
Jul 17th, 2002, 07:31 PM
If anyone thinks that Rick Macci coaches anyone for free , take a look at his website http://www.rickmacci.com/index.html Why should he be thanked publicly when that check was good enough??? :rolleyes:
Some folk will find anything to discredit that family. PATHETIC :fiery:

tennischick
Jul 17th, 2002, 07:47 PM
most players thank their current coaches at the end of the match, that is the coach sitting there in the stands. no-one goes back to thank the coach from 5 years ago. so it's fitting that the Sisters thank their parents and now also their trainer (currently working with them). Macci did his job. if they were playing tournies at the time, he may have been thanked. they were not and so he wasn't. i see no reason why they have to call his name now.

and i agree with Sophie. the resl kudos goes to the parents for their patience. they could have gotten greedy and gone for the bucks early. they didn't. that took patience plus a healthy regard for their children.

Colette
Jul 17th, 2002, 08:02 PM
I am not trying to start any shit, but do you hear Jennifer thanking Macci (she did work with Macci back in the day) or Seles thanking Nick Bolleteri so whatever barmaid.

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 17th, 2002, 09:15 PM
I dont even remember jen thanking Harold solomon after she won the aussie open in 2001. I mean wasnt he the one who re engergized her career and got her back on track for her big comeback?

BigTennisFan
Jul 17th, 2002, 09:30 PM
"I am not trying to start any shit, but do you hear Jennifer thanking Macci (she did work with Macci back in the day) or Seles thanking Nick Bolleteri so whatever barmaid."

Any comments Barmaid? You were quick to try and start some crap. What say you about Jennifer? :p

neorules
Jul 18th, 2002, 01:48 AM
Perpetuating a falsehood is wrong. Not acknowledging people who helped you (paid or not) is classless. Any parent should do whats in the best interest of the child. Again I ask the question. If Richard had all the answers, then why the need to take them to Macci and all the others to help them become world class.

tennischick
Jul 18th, 2002, 02:08 AM
because Richard never claimed to have all the answers. he knew that he needed the input of others and he sought what was best for his daughters at various points in their development. and even when they started winning their games still needed tweaking so neither Macci nor anyone else had done the "perfect" job. but everyone in the Williams camp acknowledges that Macci and others worked with them in the past.

what the Sisters do not do is thank any of their past coaches for their current wins. that is not the norm. all players thank their current coaches during their trophy-acceptance speeches. i don't understand why the Sisters are being held to a different standard.

as for Jenny, at the point that she started winning, she had already fired Solomon and started working with her father. and since the norm is that players thank the coach that is actually sitting there in the stands, there was no Solomon to thank. (i'm not saying that he didn't deserve credit; i'm just saying that she went with the norm).

the cat
Jul 18th, 2002, 02:32 AM
The sisters handle themselves very well!

They shouldn't have to thank coaches from years ago. They worked with Macci many years ago.

Why is this an issue? :confused: It shouldn't be.

Roseie
Jul 18th, 2002, 04:02 AM
It's an issue with Williams haters. Anything to discredit them. It's not going to work.

brickhousesupporter
Jul 18th, 2002, 04:06 AM
Wow I cant wait for tennis to start up again because this is really a stretch. Maybe when there are matches being played again the usaul bickering will keep us so consumed that threads like this will not be necessary.

I feel that Venus and Serena thanked the right people. Macci may have helped them with their strokes but I still think that Richard helped them with the mental part of the game.

Williams Rulez
Jul 18th, 2002, 08:29 AM
'Oh we would like to thank the lady who sold us balls when we were 5 so that we could hit, and the people who built the tennis courts so that we could play on them, and that friendly guy on the adjacent court who told us that we should bend our knees when we hit the ball, and and and...'

:rolleyes:

tennischick
Jul 18th, 2002, 01:10 PM
another example. Andre Agassi went from being coached by Brad Gilbert for 8 years to working only recently with Darren Cahill, Hewitt's former coach. when 'Dre won Rome and Miami, whom did he thank? Darren Cahill and Gil Reyes (his trainer). that's how it works people. ;) ;)