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pan
Jul 17th, 2002, 11:27 AM
the tournament will be selled cause they had financial problems this year...
i'm so sad. i liked this tourny so much! :sad:

Nimi
Jul 17th, 2002, 11:33 AM
omg, but its such a big tournament!
where did you here this?

Mattographer
Jul 17th, 2002, 11:34 AM
What?! :eek:

TatiAnnahølic
Jul 17th, 2002, 11:36 AM
Omg!!! :eek::eek::eek:

Sam L
Jul 17th, 2002, 11:37 AM
Oh no! one of the best tournaments on the WTA! :mad:

Is it because of Betty Barclay? :confused:

anabel
Jul 17th, 2002, 11:38 AM
oh no, please no :sad:

TatiAnnahølic
Jul 17th, 2002, 11:39 AM
Hamburg will be chaged by Brusels.

Mattographer
Jul 17th, 2002, 11:40 AM
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Frau Antje
Jul 17th, 2002, 11:40 AM
what? can't read it anywhere

TheBoiledEgg
Jul 17th, 2002, 11:45 AM
that is sad news.......... there are reports that the mens ATP event in Hamburg is also under threat.

conchita
Jul 17th, 2002, 11:54 AM
Does that mean venus will lose all defending points?

Raisin
Jul 17th, 2002, 11:58 AM
Originally posted by conchita
Does that mean venus will lose all defending points?

You mean Kim? By the way I thought you called her Mars:o

conchita
Jul 17th, 2002, 12:04 PM
lol Raisin, i do but i think i will keep to her real name when im not arguing.

:)

Raisin
Jul 17th, 2002, 12:07 PM
Originally posted by conchita
lol Raisin, i do but i think i will keep to her real name when im not arguing.

:)

OK Moon ball err.. I mean Conchita:p
(just kidding):wavey:

Peter M
Jul 17th, 2002, 12:19 PM
It's about time. :bounce:

conchita
Jul 17th, 2002, 12:20 PM
Its about time what Peter?

hey Raisin, moonablling made her win Wimbledon so i aint complaining!

:)

turt
Jul 17th, 2002, 12:29 PM
Well, I had heard about the Brussels tournament being played on the Hamburg's week, but they were not talking about it "replacing" Hamburg!
Actually, Brussels was a Tier IV this year, and they said it should be a Tier III next year, but Hamburg is a Tier II... So what? :confused:

Josh
Jul 17th, 2002, 12:33 PM
Betty Barclay wanted to continue sponsoring the tournament but the problem was that TV wouldn't broadcast the event.

I don't think Brussels will replace Hamburg though. Yes they were talking about moving it to that week and upgrading it to a Tier III but the venue is absolutely not suited for a Tier II event, plus I doubt they have the financial means to buy Hamburg.
Maybe Vienna will replace Hamburg?

turt
Jul 17th, 2002, 12:37 PM
Anyway, the sports' French Community minister, Rudy Demotte, would like to make this FCC tournament a big tournament in the future, maybe they will find some big sponsors, and maybe move it at another place in Brussels (don't know where, though...)

That would be good to have two Tier II events in Belgium, especially one of them on clay! :)

Josh
Jul 17th, 2002, 12:39 PM
Yeah I heard him talking about it on RTBF but he said they wanted to develop the tournament gradually so I think replacing Hamburg is a bit too soon for now. Maybe in a few years.

It would be cool to have a big warm up event for RG in Belgium but I can't really think of a good location in Brussels for such a big event. :confused:

ktwtennis
Jul 17th, 2002, 12:43 PM
I hope they replace the event with something just as big in another country so Monica can have more than the Italian in Europe to warm-up! Plus, the Germans weren't supporting the tournament anyway, and the WTA needs fans that are going to come even when their country's players aren't doing well.

mishar
Jul 17th, 2002, 12:56 PM
The murder-tournament is finally gone! I can't say I'll miss it!

disposablehero
Jul 17th, 2002, 01:23 PM
Aw, so sad! :D

Monica_Rules
Jul 17th, 2002, 01:27 PM
Germany seems to be loosing all its events!

First Hanover then the championships and now Hamburg!

conchita
Jul 17th, 2002, 01:27 PM
i still don't get why that happened if the guy was a gra obsessor and monica was playing magdaleena maleeva?????

PamShriver
Jul 17th, 2002, 01:29 PM
Can't say that I would be too sad to see the event go. There is already a couple of other events in Germany AND it's hard to hold any event in high regard when it allowed for matches to continue in '93 even after Seles was stabbed. That always left a bad taste in my mouth.

Volcana
Jul 17th, 2002, 01:33 PM
Sad to lose a tournament like that. It was a good tournament stop. But Brussels isn't too far away. And Germany still has Berlin.

Ted of Teds Tennis
Jul 17th, 2002, 01:46 PM
Pam Shriver wrote:
AND it's hard to hold any event in high regard when it allowed for matches to continue in '93 even after Seles was stabbed. That always left a bad taste in my mouth.

Avery Brundage had the Munich Olympics go on even after what happened to the Israeli athletes. (And he was quite right to do so.)

TS
Jul 17th, 2002, 01:52 PM
From some German posters a few months back, I got the impression that interest levels in Germany are at an all time low, and someone mentioned that this tournament was under threat...anyway, Germany still has Berlin, Leipzig and Filderstadt as far as I can recall...but they have lost the championships and Hamburg this year...hardly good news for German tennis.

PamShriver
Jul 17th, 2002, 02:10 PM
Originally posted by Ted of Teds Tennis
Pam Shriver wrote:


Avery Brundage had the Munich Olympics go on even after what happened to the Israeli athletes. (And he was quite right to do so.)

Yes, and what happened to the Israeli athletes did not occur while they were on the playing field, it did not happen while they were in the midst of competition. Not to diminish that tragedy by any means, but Seles was stabbed on the court DURING a match.

Cilla
Jul 17th, 2002, 02:14 PM
:sad:

mboyle
Jul 17th, 2002, 02:19 PM
Well said Pam. Germany proved that year in my opinion that they are not worthy of holding an international sporting event, and it seems quite a tragedy that the WTA has continued to hold so many events in a country where it is okay to attempt murder on an international guest. :sad: I am quite glad that this tournament will finally be discontinued both for Monica and for other Selesfan's peace of mind. Please note that I have no qualms whatsoever with Germans at all, I have always been upset however at the fashion in which the German courts handled Monica's situation, and how all German tournaments were allowed by the WTA to continue.

irma
Jul 17th, 2002, 02:21 PM
I am not sorry that it's gone
I agree that it has a bad taste since 93!

mboyle
Jul 17th, 2002, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by conchita
i still don't get why that happened if the guy was a gra obsessor and monica was playing magdaleena maleeva?????

The guy was a creep (well at least to 99.999% of the world). He probably only had tickets that day, and had Monica not bent over to get her towel, well.................... Anyway, to the top 20 WTA players (excepting Gaby Sabatini:hearts: )and the German courts, he was just a normal person who did not even want to hurt Monica :rolleyes: . Nope. All of you who saw him, your eyes were just tricking you because he is really just a shy person greatly affected by the media right?

babsi
Jul 17th, 2002, 02:54 PM
A shame:(

But Vienna will probably replace this tournament now...

Kart
Jul 17th, 2002, 03:09 PM
I am in two minds about seeing this tournament go - on the one hand it's good for Monica that there might be an alternative in the clay season to play but on the other hand it seems a shame for German fans :sad:.

pan
Jul 17th, 2002, 03:48 PM
i read about on fifferent german videotext-sites. it seems that katar shows interest to buy the tourny for 2,5 million €...

the MONICA-story was a very bad thing and we all have terrible memories to that day.

but i love this tourny so much for it's atmosphere, the ordience was always great, the players very near, the courts are so beautiful, HAMBURG is a that great city... i enjoyed every moment i spent there from 96-00. i saw MARTINA HINGIS grow with this tourny, ARANTXA winning over all years, saw a few players surprise, saw exciting matches...

i'm really sad... :sad:

Tweety
Jul 17th, 2002, 05:06 PM
I hope we'll keep Berlin, Leipzig and Filderstadt at least :o

ptkten
Jul 17th, 2002, 05:08 PM
I thought they were just talking about having a joint men's and women's tournament. I guess they might think about moving the men's tournament to Berlin now.

Bad for the Hamburg fans, but I'm happy for Monica.

treufreund
Jul 17th, 2002, 05:25 PM
I am sad to see the tourney lost and must say that it's not fair to ask about VENUS WILLIAMS losing her points considering that the defending champion is KIM CLIJSTERS. :o

Pan, wollte dir nur eine Kleinigkeit sagen. "selled'' auf englisch heisst "sold". Hoffentlich nimmst du es nicht persoenlich. :D Ich waere dankbar, wenn du meine Fehler korrigieren wuerdest. :)

pan
Jul 17th, 2002, 06:23 PM
nehm ich nicht persönlich! ;)
fiel mir im nachhinein auch auf, war aber zu aufgeregt als ich schrieb...
danke trotzdem!
und du hast übrigens keine fehler gemacht! :)

darren cahill
Jul 17th, 2002, 08:13 PM
well thank god that this event failed so Monica seles can play somewhere else--I mean thats what everything is all about, where Monica can go and cant go. sarcasm intended.:mad:

Couver
Jul 17th, 2002, 08:51 PM
Well I didn't mind the tournament so it will be sad to see it go. But if interest in low, what can you do?

I am happy for Monica though. I do however hope they keep the event a tier II and not lower it or something.

ktwtennis
Jul 17th, 2002, 08:53 PM
Would you be saying the same thing if your favorite player had what happened to Seles(stabbing AND no punishment) and refused to play in a country that doesn't support tennis in the good and bad and has too many events for the size of the country? Don't think so!

pan
Jul 17th, 2002, 08:56 PM
HAMBURG is THE city in germany! i love it so much! without this female-tennis-tourny, H-TOWN is less interesting worldwide...

darren cahill
Jul 17th, 2002, 08:57 PM
I supposed your tirade was aimed at me? such an angry thing. Would I say such a thing if had been my fave? Well i sure wouldnt make everything out to be about my fave player...a new pool opened across the street, oh goodie, monica may swim there....oh this happened, monica this, or that happened, oh good, monica that. I was just saying I clicked on this thread to read about the hamburg event being sold and why it happened and all that instead there were no facts and just all this monica talk...it always seems everything is about monica. I was just surprised, no need to freak out.

ktwtennis
Jul 17th, 2002, 08:58 PM
Apparently Germany didn't think so pan!

ktwtennis
Jul 17th, 2002, 09:00 PM
I wasn't freaking out, cahill. However, I found your comment insensitive. Plus, we WERE discussing the topic of this thread.

ktwtennis
Jul 17th, 2002, 09:01 PM
I mean the REST of Germany pan...Sorry...

ktwtennis
Jul 17th, 2002, 09:06 PM
Plus, it's thoughts like yours Daren Cahill, that didn't get Parsche in jail...

PamShriver
Jul 17th, 2002, 09:06 PM
Darren Cahill,

What are you talking about? To think that there could be a discussion about the Hamburg event closing without the Seles stabbing being brought up is absurd. Hello! Monica was stabbed there, and until another player gets stabbed on court in the middle of a match or ANY athlete is attacked in the midst of performance it IS an exceptional event. Hate to break it to ya, but Monica and Hamburg are forever linked-It was a historic moment in the history of athletics, nothing like that had ever happened before and nothing like that has happened since then. If the L.A. tournament or any other tournament had been brought up and Seles fans were discussing Monica, then you might have an argument, as it stands now...YOU DON"T.

pan
Jul 17th, 2002, 09:12 PM
hui, what's going on here...? :confused:

germany definitely hasn's too many events. it isn't THAT small and in the 90s a lot of top players and gs-winners (men and women) came from here. that's reason enough! the german tennis fans (okay, the number is shrinking) also have their rights to see professionell tennis live!

kay
Jul 17th, 2002, 09:19 PM
I dont really think you should worry because I heard a rumor here in Houston that "Mac", the guy who fought for the season ending men's championship to move to Houston, is also trying to get any WTA event that he can to Houston. This is a perfect opportunity for him. He also expressed his desire to have Venus AND Serena play here. So, I think he has a website or something and I think Im going to email him and see if he already knows or not, or Ill just call Gallery Furniture and hope that he's able to talk. He's such a nice guy and always available to the customers so it wont be hard getting in touch with him. Im going to snoop around and try to find out if he's already working on this or not.

Come-on-kim
Jul 17th, 2002, 09:27 PM
TOO BAD for KIM, she won this tournament this year, and now, she won't be able to win it another time!!!!

ktwtennis
Jul 17th, 2002, 09:27 PM
Germany had five or six events last year! That's a lot for not ONE top ten or twenty player! That's like California(which is bigger than Germany) having that many events, and it now has four events. Now the playing field is even once this event is gone...

spiceboy
Jul 17th, 2002, 09:35 PM
Pffffff this week in the WTA calendar is totally jinxed. :fiery:

After the two big events in US (Hilton Head/Charleston & Amelia Island) in the last years we have seen how the next tier II tournament is wiped out of the calendar due to financial problems: Tampa, Houston, Barcelona and now Hamburg.

Which one will be next???

ChrisGermany
Jul 17th, 2002, 09:45 PM
The Spain event did go to Madrid, it just moved in the weeks, didnīt it.

Tampa is so far away year-wise, Houston would be clever to re-install but I think the year Hack won it against Pierce it was sooo windy there, wasnīt it.

I miss Sabine Hack terribly on the tour :)

I think that stretching the US clay tour to 3 events isnīt in the discussion though, itīs all about Arabia at the moment.

But itīs strange that Arabia gets 3 events so quickly after each other only due to the money they have there instead of another country in Europe getting a chance.

Isnīt it that we donīt have a Tchech event in Prague there anymore, f.e. ?! There are some other countries with big names in tennis where such an event could take place.

spiceboy
Jul 17th, 2002, 10:28 PM
ChrisGermany, the Spanish event was moved to Madrid and due to financial problems was downgraded from tier II to tier III. :sad:

And boy, it's all about money ;)

ChrisGermany
Jul 17th, 2002, 10:40 PM
I think the Spanish boy often DIRECTLY reply to me, isnīt it ? ;)

Itīs nice of course that they do :)

Hopefully, our girls give you a good fight next weekend

spiceboy
Jul 17th, 2002, 10:48 PM
I hope so... as long as we are in semis :kiss: :kiss: :kiss:

Josh
Jul 17th, 2002, 11:01 PM
Originally posted by ktwtennis
Germany had five or six events last year! That's a lot for not ONE top ten or twenty player! That's like California(which is bigger than Germany) having that many events, and it now has four events. Now the playing field is even once this event is gone...

Germany does have more than 2 times as many inhabitants though so in comparison with its population California does have too many events really....

darren cahill
Jul 17th, 2002, 11:58 PM
Pam, you really didnt have to point out to me that hamburg and seles are forever linked. i am well aware of that. But everyone was in such a blind fury over my post that no one took a moment to see what i had said, I KNOW they are linked, my point was, I was sorta reading the thread looking for reasons why it was closed down, like poor turnout, low funds, blah blah, not a bunch of "oh goodie, monica can play a different event now if it goes somewhere else" is that REALLY a reason it shut down? This is a real legit question here cause i have often wondered this, do you guys (as monica fans) really think she wonders or talks about this incident as much as her fans do? Cause when i read her interviews or see her on tv talking, she seems to have moved on and gets tired of this topic. it seems the fans keep the fires burning and never let go of it.

that said Pam, I have always enjoyed your posts and have often commented on how hysterical your comments are (and you never commented back to one post of mine until now) so i guess i had to thoroughly piss you off to get a reaction so if i did nothing of any consequence today, at least i accomplished this one feat! you are truly funny:drool:

darren cahill
Jul 18th, 2002, 12:18 AM
An apology and a bit of insight.

First I want to apologize for upsetting any seles fans for my comments. The funny thing is, for some time I have kinda related to Monica in several ways and yet, I hold a lot of resentment towards her and since I seemed to have caused a lot of pissed off feelings on here, i will explain what happened and let that be that. Back in august of 2000, me and a guy I met in a club in the town i live in, were attacked while taking a short cut out back behind the club. We were both hit in the head with what i guess was a lead pipe but i am not sure, we were robbed and pretty much left for dead there. I was knocked out and when i came to, was already on my way to a hospital. no need to get into more of it as things happen. no need dwelling on it. But in may ways i relate to monica too as i was also the victim of a violent act. But deep down, i think i resent her because she seems to get so much sympathy and feelings of pity or something that i never got at all. It was all very odd to me during the time frame that this was going on cause i'd be home from work still recovering and i'd be on the old CNN boards reading the oh woe is monica stories and wishing that someone or anyone cared about what i went through. i know its extremely petty, but it was hard. I wondered how so many people could care so much about a person that they would most likely never meet when in real life you arent always as nice as you could be to your real friends. I know quite a few people who seem to care more about sports stars and rock stars than they do their family. In the 2 years since this happened to me, only 1 person asked me how i was doing yet several knew. so i guess that was my soul-searching for the day. i do apologize for any comments that seemed cold but they do have a reason. maybe i can work on that somewhat, who knows, maybe something good comes from everything.

any way, moving along...

Mattographer
Jul 18th, 2002, 02:08 AM
This tournament is one of my favorite tournaments!! :sad: Aleast, good for Monica Seles because she will playing more tournaments next year!! :D

disposablehero
Jul 18th, 2002, 02:11 AM
I don't think Monica wants to or will play more tournaments next year, but at least she will have a better range of options.

ktwtennis
Jul 18th, 2002, 02:11 AM
I'm sorry to hear that Cahill--you should have posted here and ppl. would have sympathized!

Zummi
Jul 18th, 2002, 02:20 AM
The Hamburg tournament came into being in 1987 after buying out the rights to what I believe was the U.S. Clay Courts in Indianpolis. So if this latest debacle means moving the tournament back to the U.S. (i.e. Houston), it just can be seen as coming home :)

ChrisGermany
Jul 18th, 2002, 06:32 AM
Of course :(

Why must it be that some are SO patriotic that almost every event that moves, must come to the US ?! Itīs the EUROPEAN clay season and itīs logical that it wonīt start with Berlin - therefore one lower ranked tierII event will be installed somewhere HERE or - as proposed - in Arabia

There is NOTHING planned moving it to the US :)

Williams Rulez
Jul 18th, 2002, 08:42 AM
I don't think it'll shift to the US, cause Berlin is in the following week and players wouldn't like to travel across the Atlantic.

CJ1
Jul 18th, 2002, 08:59 AM
Germany has lost Essen, Hannover, Munich and now Hamburg - it's very sad, but then again until there are German female players in the top 30, tennis interest in the country will suffer.
How Steffi and Anke are missed :(

matthias
Jul 18th, 2002, 09:11 AM
Latest NEWS:

Hamburg Tournament will stay, German Tennis Federation sold the TV-coverage for less Money then last year to the german TV, and with a broadcast contract BETTY BARCLAY will stay as sponsor

Josh
Jul 18th, 2002, 09:38 AM
So does that mean ZDF will show more matches than it did this year?

Crazy Canuck
Jul 18th, 2002, 09:53 AM
I don't know what you are all whining about...

Canada is gigantic, has a massive population ;), and several players in the top 50 on BOTH tours ;), and we only have one tournament :sad:

But sad for Germany to lose another tournament, they are no less deservering than anyone else.

Crazy Canuck
Jul 18th, 2002, 09:54 AM
um,make that two :o

my bad

Iconoclast
Jul 18th, 2002, 01:19 PM
You also have to consider that Germany houses the largest tennis federation in the world (if you count individual members). It's the strongest economy in Europe, a sports superpower, and only topped by Russia in terms of population.

ktwtennis
Jul 18th, 2002, 01:28 PM
You also have to remember how lousy attendance has been in the last couple of years(which is amazing for how many ppl. live per square mile), how much soccer has taken over as the number one sport in Germany, how TV coverage of tennis has slumped in the past few years(according to posters on this board), and how few players in the top 100 are German! I think Canada is deserving of more events. They should be the ones whining--not Germans and other Europeans!

babsi
Jul 18th, 2002, 01:56 PM
Soccer is the #1 sport in most European countries and it has been that way for years.

You say about Canada having more events and they have less players in the top 100 (using your logic:rolleyes: )

The debate is over because Hamburg is staying.

And also there will be major changes in 2004 when there will be Tier 1 10 day events on clay (both men and women). The venues haven't been decided yet but it will be between Hamburg, Rome, Madrid and Monaco.

How many events does California have?

And next year the US will have another event I am sure because they will have a warm-up event for Los Angeles. My bet is that Stanford will go back to being Oakland. And I am sure another European event will be taken off to make room for it.

ktwtennis
Jul 18th, 2002, 01:59 PM
I personally am hoping that the warm-up event for L.A. will be in the old Chicago venue so I can go to my first WTA match!

pan
Jul 18th, 2002, 02:03 PM
my opinion, babsi ;)

ktwtennis
Jul 18th, 2002, 02:04 PM
Then all you Europeans should be happy if you're getting a duel event like the U.S. has!!!!

Jericho
Jul 18th, 2002, 02:06 PM
is this going to affect the players that played this tournament points wise?

Come-on-kim
Jul 18th, 2002, 04:21 PM
Yeah, Kim'll defend her title!!!

Too bad for Brussels!!!