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supergrunt
Oct 6th, 2007, 08:43 PM
Absolutley terrible from Serena.... :(

supergrunt
Oct 6th, 2007, 08:43 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ey8Yb5AcOMs&mode=related&search=

schorsch
Oct 6th, 2007, 08:59 PM
Absolutely great from Svetlana.... :D

Wayn77
Oct 6th, 2007, 09:01 PM
Absolutely great from Svetlana.... :D

:lol: :lol:

supergrunt
Oct 6th, 2007, 09:02 PM
if tyhose were the highlights... all I saw was a volley winner...

simba
Oct 6th, 2007, 09:05 PM
i am just glad Serena is playing. can't wait for Moscow

enyinnayaigbokwe
Oct 6th, 2007, 09:25 PM
It seems to that there is a difference btw Venus and Serena at this point in their careers. Venus plays( and runs to the ball) like she's still hungry to win. Serena is not quite moving to the ball well and has been playing like this in all her quaterfinal pit stops. You can always sense how much a player wants to play well and win by the way they move to ball and whack it but Serena has not been doing this since her last tournament win. The way to beat Svetlana is to play the first few games very well and focused, and she will leave you to your own devices and start overhitting( Golovin did that well today). But starting off losing your serve to her won't do it. I'm suprised she didn't use this ploy against a player who can't withstand pressure.Serena is still not fully there yet.

Steffica Greles
Oct 6th, 2007, 10:12 PM
And what gets me is Serena keeps on lamenting the ball "flying off her racket". How many times this year has that damned ball fallen off that cursed racket?

Clearly, in Serena's mind the racket is at fault. And the damn ball.

But she's working hard enough, no doubt about that ;)

borisyBACK
Oct 6th, 2007, 10:17 PM
Hahahaha

The way people were talking about this match I thought there was a great play out there.

In those "highlights" what I see is Svetlana hitting first serves in, Serena hitting backhands to the net and out and that's about it.

Steffica Greles
Oct 6th, 2007, 10:24 PM
It also strikes me, watching these clips, and some others from this year, that Serena may sometimes present far too great a physical proposition for her opponents, but quite often has too much strength for her own good.

Serena, when anything is slightly off, has the instinct to bring her superior physique to bear, and as a result the ball sprays all over the place. To play as she did against Sharapova in Melbourne, Serena needs everything to be in sync. When she's not at her best, she has no B game, and nothing to fall back on.

And she still looks less toned than she can be, and not in optimum conditioning.

Apoleb
Oct 6th, 2007, 10:27 PM
Hahahaha

The way people were talking about this match I thought there was a great play out there.

In those "highlights" what I see is Svetlana hitting first serves in, Serena hitting backhands to the net and out and that's about it.

These aren't highlights. Sevtlana did play great, but this video doesn't show those points, and ofcourse that's why supergrunt liked it.

supergrunt
Oct 6th, 2007, 10:30 PM
These aren't highlights. Sevtlana did play great, but this video doesn't show those points, and ofcourse that's why supergrunt liked it.

Can somebody show me the video of Sveta's great points.Then I will shut up. Of course you are going to say that she she was outplayed.. you dislike her.

Apoleb
Oct 6th, 2007, 10:32 PM
Can somebody show me the video of Sveta's great points.Then I will shut up. Of course you are going to say that she she was outplayed.. you dislike her.

err.. go download the match from the video forum.

Demska
Oct 6th, 2007, 10:34 PM
Is Serena considering retirement ?

After looking at that performance, who knows ... :banana:

Lulu.
Oct 6th, 2007, 10:39 PM
Serena just played bad. Sveta didn't have to do much to win, Serena did it for her with all those errors. :tape:

Can't complain too much though, she showed up and she played. I hope she picks her game up in Moscow.

IceSkaTennisFan
Oct 6th, 2007, 10:50 PM
When she's not at her best, she has no B game, and nothing to fall back on.
2 words: Miami Final :wavey:

supergrunt
Oct 6th, 2007, 11:36 PM
2 words: Miami Final :wavey:

thank you

AcesHigh
Oct 6th, 2007, 11:57 PM
That was ...erm... bad :help:

Steffica Greles
Oct 7th, 2007, 12:27 AM
2 words: Miami Final :wavey:

No, Serena found her A-game, after almost two sets. That's a lot different from employing plan B. In the past, Serena has dramatically, emphatically, sensationally crushed opponents when her all-conquering A-game has found her racket. She knows nobody can beat her in that gear.

But her rightful arrogance has meant that nowadays Serena spends entire matches trying to find that A-game, rather than arriving on court with B-game, and resorting to it before it's too late. Increasingly, she spends two sets, and no more, searching for A-game, before walking to the net with head bowed and shoulders slumped.

Now that's questionable.

AcesHigh
Oct 7th, 2007, 12:33 AM
No, Serena found her A-game, after almost two sets. That's a lot different from employing plan B. In the past, Serena has dramatically, emphatically, sensationally crushed opponents when her all-conquering A-game has found her racket. She knows nobody can beat her in that gear.

But her rightful arrogance has meant that nowadays Serena spends entire matches trying to find that A-game, rather than arriving on court with B-game, and resorting to it before it's too late. Increasingly, she spends two sets, and no more, searching for A-game, before walking to the net with head bowed and shoulders slumped.

Now that's questionable.


I pretty much agree with your main points. The question I'm asking myself is.. "What is Serena's A-game?" It's not the same as 2001-2004 because she's bigger, slower, and uses a different racquet.. with somewhat a safer style of play now.

It just looks like Serena sometimes doesn't know what she's trying to do out there. Is she going to use more variety, spin, angles or is she going to try to blast her opponent off the court. After 9 months, she's still trying to find her groove and you just can't get by on grit and determination each match.

supergrunt
Oct 7th, 2007, 12:51 AM
I pretty much agree with your main points. The question I'm asking myself is.. "What is Serena's A-game?" It's not the same as 2001-2004 because she's bigger, slower, and uses a different racquet.. with somewhat a safer style of play now.

It just looks like Serena sometimes doesn't know what she's trying to do out there. Is she going to use more variety, spin, angles or is she going to try to blast her opponent off the court. After 9 months, she's still trying to find her groove and you just can't get by on grit and determination each match.

I do think that Serena dosen't have a definate game style and that is why she has lost to Henin so many times . She tries to incorporate variety. She is better of just going out there and being aggresive.She dosen't need to do all the extra stuff.

Steffica Greles
Oct 7th, 2007, 12:52 AM
I pretty much agree with your main points. The question I'm asking myself is.. "What is Serena's A-game?" It's not the same as 2001-2004 because she's bigger, slower, and uses a different racquet.. with somewhat a safer style of play now.

It just looks like Serena sometimes doesn't know what she's trying to do out there. Is she going to use more variety, spin, angles or is she going to try to blast her opponent off the court. After 9 months, she's still trying to find her groove and you just can't get by on grit and determination each match.

Steffi Graf had the same problems. When she lost, she'd invariably spent the entire match mulishly trying to find her forehand, rather than changing her style. Some players rely on one style, and they can be great champions.

The difference was, and it is a remarkable fact, that Graf was seldom unable to find her forehand at some point, even when match point down. She was a disciplined athlete, who didn't create any additional barriers to finding that level within herself through lacking fitness, training or practice routines.

Serena, on the other hand, as you've pointed out, looks weighed down when she runs at the moment. Svetlana actually looked a better athlete in those clips, which is worrying. Serena runs almost as if she's carrying a sack of bricks on her back. It's doesn't affect her speed -- because she's immensely strong -- as much as it affects her balance, footwork, and transference of power, which are woeful.

And that's why Serena can't find her A-game.

Nicolás89
Oct 7th, 2007, 12:56 AM
serena does have a plan b, the thing is it NEVER works.

IceSkaTennisFan
Oct 7th, 2007, 01:02 AM
No, Serena found her A-game, after almost two sets. That's a lot different from employing plan B. In the past, Serena has dramatically, emphatically, sensationally crushed opponents when her all-conquering A-game has found her racket. She knows nobody can beat her in that gear.

But her rightful arrogance has meant that nowadays Serena spends entire matches trying to find that A-game, rather than arriving on court with B-game, and resorting to it before it's too late. Increasingly, she spends two sets, and no more, searching for A-game, before walking to the net with head bowed and shoulders slumped.

Now that's questionable.
If you're suggesting that Serena won that Miami Final with her A-game, then you're wrong. Serena wasn't playing the best we've seen from her, but she found a way to win. It wasn't the way she was most comfortable winning - she had to play more tactically instead of trying to overpower Henin - but she was able to win without having to play her A game, which is power and placement. Her serve is something that's rarely abandoned her this year, it's the foundation of the rest of her game, regardless of what game plan she's playing at.

T-GIRL87
Oct 7th, 2007, 01:08 AM
Well for the most part I felt the Miami final was a good example of Serena when she is using a plan B. Serena, in the way she was being outplayed, could of easily lost that match, just as she did her last three matches against Justine. However the difference between those matches and the miami final was that there was a point when she decided to make adjustments, and do other things out there, not to mention she was came in with plenty of match play and preparation. I don't think Serena is given enough credit for her ability to pull herself through tough matches, of course a lot of that has to do with her will to win. At the moment however, I'm not sure if the will and drive to win is still there like it was a few months ago.

IceSkaTennisFan
Oct 7th, 2007, 01:18 AM
I do think that Serena dosen't have a definate game style and that is why she has lost to Henin so many times . She tries to incorporate variety. She is better of just going out there and being aggresive.She dosen't need to do all the extra stuff.
I think she has a definite game style, just not a good enough one currently against a player like Henin. In her defense, few on the tour do, though. One thing that I don't think fans consider enough about the Serena-Justine H2H this year is that b/c Serena had not played Justine in years and Justine had advanced so much and has been having so much success, Serena respected Justine's level enough to try and change her game plan against Justine. Serena tried to work in more variety to better match up against Justine. I do recall Serena occasionally mixing up her shot selection against Justine in 03 and before, but not as much as I've seen lately from Serena. Conversely, Justine's used to the game Serena returned on tour this season with. It has been Serena that has had to catch up, I think. Serena doesn't get many opportunities to player players like Justine, especially given how she rarely plays. I'm not defending Serena's lack of fitness or match toughness, but I do believe she does change up her game plan from time to time (it really depends on how much respect she has for her opponent's game). Her match against Shahar Peer in Miami comes to mind, as well.

DimaDinosaur
Oct 7th, 2007, 01:32 AM
Sveta's volleys were sexy. Serena's game just wasn't there, child.

Apoleb
Oct 7th, 2007, 01:36 AM
Serena does have a plan B, but it isn't effective against the best. The plan B is basically hit the ball in with reasonable depth but not a lot of pace, and she can do that consistently, but it won't be of much value against a player who is on. Venus on the other hand is someone who doesn't have a plan B. It's hit and miss all the way.

Venus+Serena#1fan
Oct 7th, 2007, 01:43 AM
Great stuff from Sveta but Serena was so off and slugish.

It's so weird, in January when she was in awful physical shape in the finals she was AMAZING and covered the court so well, and now this? So slugish, not to mention her really slow starts.

The good news is she is playing and each loss will motivate her to do better. Playing well or not is EXACTLY what she needs!

VenusSerenaBlvd.
Oct 7th, 2007, 01:52 AM
She needed one of her coaches!

TENNISLOVE118
Oct 7th, 2007, 01:57 AM
serena better get going come on baby do it

Serenidad.
Oct 7th, 2007, 02:23 AM
Serena has a Plan B and it was clearly exercised in Miami 2007 Final. If you look at the stats here : http://www.sonyericssonopen.com/stats/2007/WS701.html. Notice how her net approaches in the second and third sets rose as well as her variety of pace on the ball. People are so quick to forget how many amazing comebacks you have done when you have a string of early losses. Don't forget people.

Vamos.
Oct 7th, 2007, 03:26 AM
Serena needs to really get it together if she is going to go anywhereeeeeeee...

ilovepaszek
Oct 7th, 2007, 04:28 AM
too bad Serena
Too many errors

darrinbaker00
Oct 7th, 2007, 07:10 AM
Can somebody show me the video of Sveta's great points.Then I will shut up. Of course you are going to say that she she was outplayed.. you dislike her.
Serena was outplayed. I know this to be a fact because the chair umpire said "Spiel, set, match, Kuznetsova" after the last point was played.

homogenius
Oct 7th, 2007, 08:04 AM
Can somebody show me the video of Sveta's great points.Then I will shut up. Of course you are going to say that she she was outplayed.. you dislike her.

You can get the match in the media section.Go and shut up.

Forehand_Volley
Oct 7th, 2007, 08:15 AM
I was suprised at a few of the points where Serena was playing way behind the baseline which is uncharacteristic of her usual attacking style. Serena seemed to go for too much at times when she didn't have to and appeared very impatient.

When you can hit every shot in the book and have ample weaponry at your dispense, it can sometimes be tough choosing which weapon and how to use it when you have little match play. I think Serena will clean that up with more match play.

DemWilliamsGulls
Oct 7th, 2007, 10:47 AM
Thats just painful to watch...this has to be the most lethargic year for Serena. She had a good start at the Australian and Miami but after the French it just went downhill from there...come on baby lets pull it back together....somebody mentioned she played just like it was her first time picking up a tennis racket..and i see what he's talkin bout.