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supergrunt
Oct 6th, 2007, 05:33 PM
putting her at a power disadvantage?

Craigy
Oct 6th, 2007, 05:37 PM
No.

sweetpeas
Oct 6th, 2007, 05:40 PM
Huh?

Mightymirza
Oct 6th, 2007, 05:40 PM
of course not...She can produce enough power :shrug:

mckyle.
Oct 6th, 2007, 05:41 PM
I personally think she should go back to bigger racquets.

supergrunt
Oct 6th, 2007, 05:44 PM
I personally think she should go back to bigger racquets.

agreed

Craigy
Oct 6th, 2007, 05:45 PM
The racquet isn't the problem. :shrug:

mckyle.
Oct 6th, 2007, 05:48 PM
The racquet isn't the problem. :shrug:

agreed. she's just fat and lazy.

but i also feel the new racquet makes her shots too safe.

AcesHigh
Oct 6th, 2007, 05:53 PM
If she had a bigger racquet, the shots would just go flying all over the place. If i remember correctly, she wasnt doing so well in 2005 or 2006 either.

Stay with the racquet but she needs to realize she needs to be lighter and learn some variety maybe. This isn't men's tennis... you can't just win on a good serve.

supergrunt
Oct 6th, 2007, 05:57 PM
If she had a bigger racquet, the shots would just go flying all over the place. If i remember correctly, she wasnt doing so well in 2005 or 2006 either.

Stay with the racquet but she needs to realize she needs to be lighter and learn some variety maybe. This isn't men's tennis... you can't just win on a good serve.

please don't try to compare Serena to Roddick... please. :tears:

Slutiana
Oct 6th, 2007, 05:58 PM
agreed. she's just fat and lazy.

but i also feel the new racquet makes her shots too safe.

i dont think craig meant that :p

AcesHigh
Oct 6th, 2007, 06:03 PM
please don't try to compare Serena to Roddick... please. :tears:

:rolleyes: you mean Ivo Karlovic? Let's save the Roddick insults for MTF ;)

Lulu.
Oct 6th, 2007, 06:07 PM
No. But I do think she should go back to using the racquet she had when she won AO 05.

supergrunt
Oct 6th, 2007, 07:18 PM
:rolleyes: you mean Ivo Karlovic? Let's save the Roddick insults for MTF ;)

:rolls: I don't have an account there.

Brooklyn90
Oct 6th, 2007, 07:19 PM
Her footwork is the problem, not her racquet.

The Daviator
Oct 6th, 2007, 07:23 PM
I don't like her current racquet at all, she should go back to the '05 one, her shots just aren't as penetrating as they were before :( Anyway, I agree that there's more to the problem than her racquet...

SV_Fan
Oct 6th, 2007, 07:46 PM
She was a beast win she was using oversize. From 95 to 06 she used nonthing but oversized and she did well. Now she wants a mid-plus. Her and Venus win they were on top used a 110(Serena) and Venus(113). They should really use oversize though.

swissmr
Oct 6th, 2007, 07:55 PM
I think people place way too much importance on racquets.
When Serena won Australian open and Miami, people were :worship: her new racquet!
Now she's losing, it's the racquet's fault...

serenafan08
Oct 6th, 2007, 08:00 PM
No, her racquet isn't the problem. I actually think she's hitting better with this one, but there's more to the problem with her game. Her movement is heckling her - she can't get in position fast enough to set up for her shots and add that power. She has to get quicker to the ball and get in position faster. Those little steps are what she needs to add to her game.

WhatTheDeuce
Oct 6th, 2007, 08:00 PM
i dont think craig meant that :p
He probably did. :lol:

Serena's "control-oriented" racquet is exactly what she needs to be playing with. Not one of your best threads, supergrunt. :(

serenaback
Oct 6th, 2007, 08:04 PM
Yes!!!!, i was going to make a thread about this for some time now, but i thought everyone here would jump all over me for being "stupid" or "Ignorant" or something. But anyway, it just seems as though her shots have lost some of that sting. In contrast, if you look at her serve, she is hitting it as hard as ever, so its really hard to know what she should do. You could also look at Venus. Didn't she change her racquet as well? She dosnt seem to have any power issues.

SV_Fan
Oct 6th, 2007, 08:13 PM
IDK She needs a bigger head what if that's not the racket. It does look a little different.

supergrunt
Oct 6th, 2007, 08:16 PM
I think that she should go back to the 03-04 racquet :shrug:. Honestly.

danieln1
Oct 6th, 2007, 08:36 PM
I think that she should go back to the 03-04 racquet :shrug:. Honestly.

Agreed, i have that racket, it´s very good!

Donny
Oct 6th, 2007, 08:43 PM
I do.

Serena's problem isn't unforced errors- she's always had to deal with those, and won slams despite them. The problem is her shots simply lack the pace they did from the AO final- or even Miami, for that matter.

AcesHigh
Oct 6th, 2007, 10:47 PM
Anyone who is saying she should go back to her old racquet has a huge misunderstanding of tennis.

I hope everyone does realize that when she was winning, she could actually MOVE around the court. That is the big difference here.

Can everyone not see that Serena can generate her own pace??? You don't need a bigger racquet to have more penetrating shots. You just need to change technique or..um..idk... START HITTING FLATTER SHOTS?? Federer can hit 100+MPH forehands, yet he has a small racquet head and breadsticks for arms. All Serena needs to do is hit flatter shots if she wants to hit more penetrating shots...she doesnt need to hit any harder. Her serve obviously hasn't suffered.

Serena should be embarrassed if she goes back to that frying pan. She would sacrifice control, angles, touch. You just can't do much with that oversize racquet she was using. Venus is different.. she mainly hits flat shots, does not primarily need control or angles and she's not going to go around hitting a drop shot or use much touch anyway. Plus, she seems fine hitting 40+UFE's

Andy.
Oct 7th, 2007, 01:09 AM
NO!!!!! did you see the AO final

Brooklyn90
Oct 7th, 2007, 01:23 AM
She really needs to hire a professional coatch to whip her game and body into shape.

Ntour
Oct 7th, 2007, 02:54 AM
she can produce the same power if not more with her current racquet, it was stupid her using those HUGE things anyway, they are meant to produce power from a slow swingspeed, i mean its a kids or an old persons racquet why a pro was ever using one i'll never know

supergrunt
Oct 7th, 2007, 03:14 AM
Anyone who is saying she should go back to her old racquet has a huge misunderstanding of tennis.

I hope everyone does realize that when she was winning, she could actually MOVE around the court. That is the big difference here.

Can everyone not see that Serena can generate her own pace??? You don't need a bigger racquet to have more penetrating shots. You just need to change technique or..um..idk... START HITTING FLATTER SHOTS?? Federer can hit 100+MPH forehands, yet he has a small racquet head and breadsticks for arms. All Serena needs to do is hit flatter shots if she wants to hit more penetrating shots...she doesnt need to hit any harder. Her serve obviously hasn't suffered.

Serena should be embarrassed if she goes back to that frying pan. She would sacrifice control, angles, touch. You just can't do much with that oversize racquet she was using. Venus is different.. she mainly hits flat shots, does not primarily need control or angles and she's not going to go around hitting a drop shot or use much touch anyway. Plus, she seems fine hitting 40+UFE's

maybe she is just so concerned about trying to prove to everyone that she is more than just a flat-hiting ball-basher, so she tries to win with poweder-puff topspin shots. :awww: and the Fedeerer thing was moot- men are stronger than women :shrug:

Ntour
Oct 7th, 2007, 03:28 AM
justine has no problem producing power with a 95" frame

Lulu.
Oct 7th, 2007, 03:31 AM
maybe she is just so concerned about trying to prove to everyone that she is more than just a flat-hiting ball-basher, so she tries to win with poweder-puff topspin shots.

Well she needs to go back to hitting hard flat shots because variety/topspin is not her game and its not working for her. :o

Donny
Oct 7th, 2007, 03:32 AM
justine has no problem producing power with a 95" frame

Isn't she using the Wilson Hammer? Those things are designed for maximised power, no?

BestShooterEver
Oct 7th, 2007, 03:41 AM
:rolls: I don't have an account there.

Niether do i, but i did 2 years ago, its the worst forum ever and literally run by the devil :o

darrinbaker00
Oct 7th, 2007, 04:52 AM
There's no such thing as a "control-oriented" 104 square-inch racquet. Serena needs to get back in playing shape. Next topic, please.

supergrunt
Oct 7th, 2007, 03:01 PM
There's no such thing as a "control-oriented" 104 square-inch racquet. Serena needs to get back in playing shape. Next topic, please.

yeah-huh :dance:

Vamos.
Oct 7th, 2007, 03:12 PM
She needs to forget about this "consistent" and also powerful thing because she cannot hurt many of the players anywhere near on the same scale.

See even the Aus Open 2007. She was SMACKING the ball then. She hasn't done that since Miami (:shrug: ) and even then it was barely, and only when she was behind against Henin. She isn't getting the results she wants and she simply has to take to the court EVERY match looking to hit winner after winner and blow opponents away.

Her consistent game is just not damaging enough. I can't believe she/Richard/anybody doesn't see this.

The Daviator
Oct 7th, 2007, 03:16 PM
Anyone who is saying she should go back to her old racquet has a huge misunderstanding of tennis.

I hope everyone does realize that when she was winning, she could actually MOVE around the court. That is the big difference here.

Can everyone not see that Serena can generate her own pace??? You don't need a bigger racquet to have more penetrating shots. You just need to change technique or..um..idk... START HITTING FLATTER SHOTS?? Federer can hit 100+MPH forehands, yet he has a small racquet head and breadsticks for arms. All Serena needs to do is hit flatter shots if she wants to hit more penetrating shots...she doesnt need to hit any harder. Her serve obviously hasn't suffered.

So one day out of the blue Serena just decided to stop hitting flat shots, which had won her multiple Slams, and started this bizarre Mauresmo-like play? :confused: The backhand is flying on her much more with this racquet, too much with it, and she IS struggling to generate pace with it...

She doesn't need a bigger racquet, maybe it's the strings, but Serena hasn't been playing like herself this year except during the AO and some parts of Miami...

Renalicious
Oct 7th, 2007, 03:19 PM
No. Her racquet is fine.

LDF
Oct 7th, 2007, 03:23 PM
The racquet is not the root of Serena's problems. She's just not generating enough racquet head-speed and is 'pushing' too many of her groundstrokes at the moment, and part of that is because she's not in position to unleash on her shots.

The Daviator
Oct 7th, 2007, 03:24 PM
There's no such thing as a "control-oriented" 104 square-inch racquet. Serena needs to get back in playing shape. Next topic, please.

Like in Australia and Miami? :confused: The funny thing is, since the first quarter of the year, her fitness has improved greatly, but her results have slipped, but it's pretty easy to blame all her losses on 'lack of fitness' I guess :shrug:

pengluv
Oct 7th, 2007, 04:59 PM
umm i can tell yall dont know nothing bout tennis..... serena can generate her own power with this racquet.... honestly i jus think she got paid to used the oversized racquet... n being the champion that she was she can win with about any racquet... but the point is serena was jus unfit after miami you can tell by her play... or mayb it was the short hair..... all she needs to do is get bac in shape n that'll work... n there is the nasty rumor shes pregnant goin around in oprah and tyra banks show

pigam
Oct 7th, 2007, 05:17 PM
She needs to forget about this "consistent" and also powerful thing because she cannot hurt many of the players anywhere near on the same scale.

See even the Aus Open 2007. She was SMACKING the ball then. She hasn't done that since Miami (:shrug: ) and even then it was barely, and only when she was behind against Henin. She isn't getting the results she wants and she simply has to take to the court EVERY match looking to hit winner after winner and blow opponents away.

Her consistent game is just not damaging enough. I can't believe she/Richard/anybody doesn't see this.

ok, however. how many losses did serena have?
3 to Justine
1 to Sveta
1 to Patty (?)

==> all players who play nothing like sharapova. there is also a reason why serena smacked so many winners against Sharapov. Maria hardly changes trajectories of her strokes, doesn't have good defense, and her serve elt her down...
Serena was on fire that match (which I just now finally watched) but a lot was (imo) also due to the way Maria played her. You cannot let Serena boss you around these days. You have to make her move, wait for your chance, hang in a good rally and finish off the point (easier said than done, I know).

People now act as if Serena is having a terrible year. I understand her fans being dissapointed with her losses against Justine. But personnaly I don't feel that Serena has had that many "bad losses". Maybe oly against Bammer. Loosing to Sveta and Justine (and Patty) all players with a good serve, and quite some variety is no shame.

GracefulVenus
Oct 7th, 2007, 05:27 PM
Her footwork is the problem, not her racquet.

agreed!

BuTtErFrEnA
Oct 7th, 2007, 05:40 PM
Like in Australia and Miami? :confused: The funny thing is, since the first quarter of the year, her fitness has improved greatly, but her results have slipped, but it's pretty easy to blame all her losses on 'lack of fitness' I guess :shrug:

:worship: it's so easy to just say she's not fit....but fitness clearly isn't the problem since she showed she can win while not at optimum fitness....the problem goes much deeper and is probably not related in the least to her fitness

Mina Vagante
Oct 7th, 2007, 06:03 PM
Her ncode n3 was a decent racquet but gave her not as much control as her current one. Serena;s current racquet is similar to the nblade and Ivanovic is pounding her forehand. No doubt the racquet is NOT the problem.

WhatTheDeuce
Oct 7th, 2007, 07:17 PM
:worship: it's so easy to just say she's not fit....but fitness clearly isn't the problem since she showed she can win while not at optimum fitness....the problem goes much deeper and is probably not related in the least to her fitness
Oh please. Sure she can win while not completely fit... she just won't win as often as she should, and she'll be far more inconsistent with her results. :)

supergrunt
Oct 7th, 2007, 07:19 PM
she looks pretty fit to me :shrug:

WhatTheDeuce
Oct 7th, 2007, 07:22 PM
She's not grossly unfit or anything, but if you compare her fitness now to 2001-2002 Serena, there's a big difference. And that most certainly WAS one of the main reasons why players feared her.