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Xander
Oct 6th, 2007, 04:04 PM
I haven't been following tennis for a few years, hence the poll. Thanks! ;)

Note: All-court IMO means that the player can come in on their own volition, they can hit both traditional and swing volleys, they can slice, they can drop shot, they have varying serves. They can comfortably do all of that though they may be stronger in some areas than others.

Mightymirza
Oct 6th, 2007, 04:16 PM
ana of course..

Sexysova
Oct 6th, 2007, 04:17 PM
I really think that the biggest talent from these players is Nicole Vaidisova and it isn't because of I'm big fan of her... she is just really young so she needs to improve her mental toughness, volleys, movement.. but we can see that her movement is much better than in 2006 and also her grass game raised up a lot.. we could see this in Wimbledon. I think she'll be just better and better and she needs 1-2 yrs to improve to be much better and much better... her volleys aren't too good but she's almost always 100% in the net.. her smashes, halfvolleys are great I think... her the worst thing is her mental toughness.. but just sometimes... like against Pennetta where she smashed her racket and her emotions went out so she could play her best again and crushed Pennetta in tiebreak to win whole match.. sometimes it helps Nicole and sometimes she can crash like against Ivanovic in Wimbledon.

Her movement will be better and better I think.. her backhand is definitely better than in 2006.. it becomes more consistent I think and when Nicole's on fire her backhand is also amazing.. not just forehand... definitely Nicole has got one of the best serve and forehand on WTA TOUR circuit.. she doesn't need 195 km/h to hit ace or fantastic serve which forces her opponent to make forced error.. she just doesn't waste her height and her serve is amazing.. I think Nicole can be No.1 some time but she needs to win some big tournament or reach some big final I think.. I can't see it this year maybe in Quebec City but I don't count this tournament.. I suppose Nicole has to win this tour.. but you have to also look at that she couldn't play full schedule this year.. she missed whole european clay court season and US Hardcourts season so it's a lot of points and she had a lot of points to defend from these tournaments so her rank is bad.. but she could be in the ranking with Chakvetadze or maybe Ivanovic who knows.. around TOP 5-6 if she plays full schedule, unfortunately her right wrist injury and mild form of glandular fever didn't allowed her to play full schedule.. I hope she'll be right to end this season successfully with some nice results but I hope she'll mainly shine in 2008 and win some big tournament and makes some big successes.

Topspin2
Oct 6th, 2007, 04:24 PM
Chaky

Leo_DFP
Oct 6th, 2007, 04:26 PM
Definitely Ivanovic, and I give Golovin 2nd place because she's willing to come to net. Both Ana and Tati need to work on their volleys though, because they're far from perfect. But it's not like any of those players listed in the polll are great all-court players.

Kworb
Oct 6th, 2007, 04:30 PM
Golovin I guess.. Chakvetadze can do amazing things from the baseline but her net game isn't that good. Ivanovic is still too much of a ball basher, but it's getting better.

Demska
Oct 6th, 2007, 04:31 PM
I really think that the biggest talent from these players is Nicole Vaidisova and it isn't because of I'm big fan of her... she is just really young so she needs to improve her mental toughness, volleys, movement.. but we can see that her movement is much better than in 2006 and also her grass game raised up a lot.. we could see this in Wimbledon. I think she'll be just better and better and she needs 1-2 yrs to improve to be much better and much better... her volleys aren't too good but she's almost always 100% in the net.. her smashes, halfvolleys are great I think... her the worst thing is her mental toughness.. but just sometimes... like against Pennetta where she smashed her racket and her emotions went out so she could play her best again and crushed Pennetta in tiebreak to win whole match.. sometimes it helps Nicole and sometimes she can crash like against Ivanovic in Wimbledon.

Her movement will be better and better I think.. her backhand is definitely better than in 2006.. it becomes more consistent I think and when Nicole's on fire her backhand is also amazing.. not just forehand... definitely Nicole has got one of the best serve and forehand on WTA TOUR circuit.. she doesn't need 195 km/h to hit ace or fantastic serve which forces her opponent to make forced error.. she just doesn't waste her height and her serve is amazing.. I think Nicole can be No.1 some time but she needs to win some big tournament or reach some big final I think.. I can't see it this year maybe in Quebec City but I don't count this tournament.. I suppose Nicole has to win this tour.. but you have to also look at that she couldn't play full schedule this year.. she missed whole european clay court season and US Hardcourts season so it's a lot of points and she had a lot of points to defend from these tournaments so her rank is bad.. but she could be in the ranking with Chakvetadze or maybe Ivanovic who knows.. around TOP 5-6 if she plays full schedule, unfortunately her right wrist injury and mild form of glandular fever didn't allowed her to play full schedule.. I hope she'll be right to end this season successfully with some nice results but I hope she'll mainly shine in 2008 and win some big tournament and makes some big successes.

So everything that makes an all court player. :weirdo:

Shvedbarilescu
Oct 6th, 2007, 04:39 PM
Out of those selections, Jankovic and Golovin have the best volleys and the most variety in their game for sure. Vaidisova most definately has the least variety and depends almost solely on a very big serve and a huge forehand.

Natash.
Oct 6th, 2007, 04:50 PM
Those aren't the best choices in terms of all court game. :( I think Agnes and Golovin have the most all court game out of these players.

rockstar
Oct 6th, 2007, 04:57 PM
I really think that the biggest talent from these players is Nicole Vaidisova and it isn't because of I'm big fan of her... she is just really young so she needs to improve her mental toughness, volleys, movement.. but we can see that her movement is much better than in 2006 and also her grass game raised up a lot.. we could see this in Wimbledon. I think she'll be just better and better and she needs 1-2 yrs to improve to be much better and much better... her volleys aren't too good but she's almost always 100% in the net.. her smashes, halfvolleys are great I think... her the worst thing is her mental toughness.. but just sometimes... like against Pennetta where she smashed her racket and her emotions went out so she could play her best again and crushed Pennetta in tiebreak to win whole match.. sometimes it helps Nicole and sometimes she can crash like against Ivanovic in Wimbledon.

Her movement will be better and better I think.. her backhand is definitely better than in 2006.. it becomes more consistent I think and when Nicole's on fire her backhand is also amazing.. not just forehand... definitely Nicole has got one of the best serve and forehand on WTA TOUR circuit.. she doesn't need 195 km/h to hit ace or fantastic serve which forces her opponent to make forced error.. she just doesn't waste her height and her serve is amazing.. I think Nicole can be No.1 some time but she needs to win some big tournament or reach some big final I think.. I can't see it this year maybe in Quebec City but I don't count this tournament.. I suppose Nicole has to win this tour.. but you have to also look at that she couldn't play full schedule this year.. she missed whole european clay court season and US Hardcourts season so it's a lot of points and she had a lot of points to defend from these tournaments so her rank is bad.. but she could be in the ranking with Chakvetadze or maybe Ivanovic who knows.. around TOP 5-6 if she plays full schedule, unfortunately her right wrist injury and mild form of glandular fever didn't allowed her to play full schedule.. I hope she'll be right to end this season successfully with some nice results but I hope she'll mainly shine in 2008 and win some big tournament and makes some big successes.

oh please, you would vote for nicole even if the poll was something like 'who's the nicest tennis player' :rolleyes:

Slutiana
Oct 6th, 2007, 04:58 PM
So everything that makes an all court player. :weirdo:

:lol: its true.

Tati. Her volleys may be poo buty shes not afraid to come to the net and she can put away most volleys off a good approach. Yeah, tati definatly.

Sexysova
Oct 6th, 2007, 05:00 PM
oh please, you would vote for nicole even if the poll was something like 'who's the nicest tennis player' :rolleyes:

I would for sure ;)

Slutiana
Oct 6th, 2007, 05:01 PM
I would for sure ;)

:o

Sexysova
Oct 6th, 2007, 05:04 PM
:o

:lol:

MagicMilan
Oct 6th, 2007, 05:13 PM
Jankovic and Golovin

justine schnyder
Oct 6th, 2007, 05:39 PM
Jankovic and....
Radwanska- She has everything.
Her serve is Avarage, her baselane game and movement are great, and she can volly

schorsch
Oct 6th, 2007, 05:50 PM
I think Jankovic has got the best allcourt game. She can hit a lot of different shots off both forehand and backhand, has solid drivevolleys and is getting better with conventional volleys. Also, there's almost no shot Jelena cant hit back. Spin, hard, flat , no pace, loopy -> she can deal with everything. Her smash isnt her forté, but she's getting more solid on that as well. Her lobs are phenomenal and her angles as well, so is her footwork and her movement.

Tatiana is the second best allcourt player I think.

Juju4ever
Oct 6th, 2007, 06:15 PM
I would say Radwanska, but since she's not in the poll...:o

Slutiana
Oct 6th, 2007, 06:47 PM
I think Jankovic has got the best allcourt game. She can hit a lot of different shots off both forehand and backhand, has solid drivevolleys and is getting better with conventional volleys. Also, there's almost no shot Jelena cant hit back. Spin, hard, flat , no pace, loopy -> she can deal with everything. Her smash isnt her forté, but she's getting more solid on that as well. Her lobs are phenomenal and her angles as well, so is her footwork and her movement.

Tatiana is the second best allcourt player I think.

You know? I think tati is a very similar player to JJ just that tati's the more aggresive and powerful player with the better serve but Jankovic more than makes up for it with her speed. I'd choose tati but i'd say that tati and JJ are very very close variety-wise. JJs been doing all this since 06 and although we havent seen this from tati on a regular basis shes started mixing up her game recently and like JJ, you can't even put her in a category because she's (they're) very unique.

If you watch tati from portoroz, you see she was really going for her shots and attacking at every opportunity she got. She won the tournament but No dropshots volleys or variety. Last week, we saw her playing very within herself, not being the slightest bit aggresive just very solid. That won her a couple of matches but thats not how you play the big, aggresive players and she was blitzed by Ivanovic. This week, she started off being passive but also coming into the net and hitting dropshots and changing things up. She was playing like a slower jankovic. Obviously she wouldnt stand a chance against an in-form player. However, it all came together today. She was aggresive, solid and played with a lot of variety. All at the same time. She played better today than miami (she defends sooo much better and was more aggresive) and AI (but it was on clay so she was right to be more solid and less aggresive). If she plays like this til the end of the year, i think she will end the year top 15.

Lulu.
Oct 6th, 2007, 06:50 PM
Golovin for sure.

Why in the world is Safarova in this poll? Aga would of been a better choice. :lol:

gaggleguy
Oct 6th, 2007, 07:11 PM
I haven't been following tennis for a few years




obviously, otherwise you would have known that the term "all court player" went out of style a few years ago

but anyway, Vaidisova has the widest arsenal of shots from any of those listed players

Slutiana
Oct 6th, 2007, 07:13 PM
obviously, otherwise you would have known that the term "all court player" went out of style a few years ago

but anyway, Vaidisova has the widest arsenal of shots from any of those listed players

:o

Lunaris
Oct 6th, 2007, 07:22 PM
Nobody from those players. ;)
But I voted for Jankovic.

obviously, otherwise you would have known that the term "all court player" went out of style a few years ago

but anyway, Vaidisova has the widest arsenal of shots from any of those listed players
I like Vaidisova, but this post made me laugh. She relies mainly on her serve and forehand, she rarely uses any shot to change pace. She don't know how to change her tactic when a match isn't going her way. She is a player you would call a mindless ballbasher, a typicall Bolletieri girl. But she is only 18, she has a good deal of time to develop her game.

homogenius
Oct 6th, 2007, 07:34 PM
obviously, otherwise you would have known that the term "all court player" went out of style a few years ago

but anyway, Vaidisova has the widest arsenal of shots from any of those listed players

What shots exactly ?

Xander
Oct 7th, 2007, 11:31 AM
I would say Radwanska, but since she's not in the poll...:o

Sorry about that. I definitely meant to include Radwanska but forgot. :o

Xander
Oct 7th, 2007, 11:34 AM
Golovin for sure.

Why in the world is Safarova in this poll? Aga would of been a better choice. :lol:

I saw Safarova's name come up in a few recent threads. There was a lot of praise for her game hence her inclusion. :)

Harvs
Oct 7th, 2007, 11:35 AM
jelena:)
then tati

mankind
Oct 7th, 2007, 11:38 AM
Surprised the amount of people who are saying Tati. I do not remember a time seeing her come to net :lol: Maybe she's changed since Wilander has coached her.

I think Safarova is up there, she has great variety on the serve (helps to be a lefty) and has good touch as well.

Ana as well. One of the few top players around with a slice backhand. I wonder how long it will take everyone else to realise this is an essential tool to the defensive (and offensive) game?

Xander
Oct 7th, 2007, 11:40 AM
obviously, otherwise you would have known that the term "all court player" went out of style a few years ago

Was it ever "in style"? It's been all Big Babe Tennis (with a dab of the 'Navratilova-Novotna-Zvereva-Hingis-Henin-Mauresmo Finesse Express') since I got into tennis (late 80's).

but anyway, Vaidisova has the widest arsenal of shots from any of those listed players

I hope to see Nicole play more. The only time I saw her in action was at the US Open vs. Peer. I wasn't impressed with her or Peer.

Renalicious
Oct 7th, 2007, 11:41 AM
I think Chakvetadze is the most all around, followed by Szavay. But Szavay needs to work on her net skills.

Xander
Oct 7th, 2007, 11:42 AM
I like Vaidisova, but this post made me laugh. She relies mainly on her serve and forehand, she rarely uses any shot to change pace. She don't know how to change her tactic when a match isn't going her way. She is a player you would call a mindless ballbasher, a typicall Bolletieri girl. But she is only 18, she has a good deal of time to develop her game.


That's all I saw in her match against Peer. Mindless ballbashing.

mankind
Oct 7th, 2007, 12:37 PM
And now Anna is in the lead? :spit: That girl couldn't hit a volley to save her life :tape:

supergrunt
Oct 7th, 2007, 12:43 PM
Am I the only one who says Aga :shrug: ?

Hashim.
Oct 7th, 2007, 12:49 PM
JJ and tati :D

tennisbear7
Oct 7th, 2007, 12:51 PM
Golovin and Ana.

justine schnyder
Oct 7th, 2007, 01:52 PM
Am I the only one who says Aga :shrug: ?

No :wavey:
But also JJ..

Aaron.
Oct 7th, 2007, 01:55 PM
Aga :wavey:

Ivanovic has no plan B how can she have a all court game :weirdo:

Derek.
Oct 7th, 2007, 05:26 PM
And now Anna is in the lead? :spit: That girl couldn't hit a volley to save her life :tape:

Exactly what I was going to say. :o

Szavay I guess.

brent-o
Oct 7th, 2007, 05:35 PM
I'm going with Jankovic. A lot of people unfairly peg her as just a defensive player but she can play aggressive (though she hasn't been as of late!) and constructs points well, with varying spins and good placement of the ball. Just watch her US Open 2006 semi (before she fell apart) and she was outplaying Justine in that first set. Her volleys get the job done but they're not really pretty at all. Jelena really is an all-court player.

brent-o
Oct 7th, 2007, 05:36 PM
And from what I've seen of Szavay, she seems to have a smooth all-court game. But I haven't really seen her enough to say for sure.

Dexter
Oct 7th, 2007, 05:44 PM
I don't understand how Janković can be in these 'new generation' polls when she's at least 2 years older than any other player included here. :o

Derek.
Oct 7th, 2007, 06:44 PM
I don't understand how Janković can be in these 'new generation' polls when she's at least 2 years older than any other player included here. :o

I agree.

Slutiana
Oct 7th, 2007, 07:01 PM
I don't understand how Janković can be in these 'new generation' polls when she's at least 2 years older than any other player included here. :o

its true. :o

Aryman3
Oct 7th, 2007, 08:04 PM
Radwanska sisters of course. They the only all-round players amomg one-sided newcomers

Bartosh
Oct 7th, 2007, 08:12 PM
Radwanska sisters of course. They the only all-round players amomg one-sided newcomers

I think too. Aga doesn't like hard but in hard she has greatest results...

Just Do It
Oct 7th, 2007, 08:49 PM
I don't understand how Janković can be in these 'new generation' polls when she's at least 2 years older than any other player included here. :o

I agree there, but Jankovic is the only player from the list that sucked like a teenager, so lately she became a top player.

Xander
Oct 7th, 2007, 11:48 PM
I don't understand how Jankovic´ can be in these 'new generation' polls when she's at least 2 years older than any other player included here.

Jankovic is older but she's still their peer a la Steffi and Monica.

Lunaris
Oct 8th, 2007, 12:07 AM
Surprised the amount of people who are saying Tati. I do not remember a time seeing her come to net :lol: Maybe she's changed since Wilander has coached her.

I think Safarova is up there, she has great variety on the serve (helps to be a lefty) and has good touch as well.

Ana as well. One of the few top players around with a slice backhand. I wonder how long it will take everyone else to realise this is an essential tool to the defensive (and offensive) game?
I am a Safarova fan and I would like to think she has a good touch, but as of now she doesn't. Forehand is her main weapon.
Slice backhand is definitely useful, mainly on grass. Not as much on clay though. Ana's slice backhand has yet to become a significant weapon imo. However, I like the fact that she introduced this shot into her game. Plus she's the only young player who seems to have the volition to improve her volleying skills. Anyway I still don't like her. :p

Derek.
Oct 8th, 2007, 12:21 AM
Nicole can play an all-court game, but she usually is just about the serve and forehand.

mankind
Oct 8th, 2007, 01:04 AM
I don't understand how Janković can be in these 'new generation' polls when she's at least 2 years older than any other player included here. :o

The OP said "newer" players, not younger players. JJ has only just started to come out of her shell.

mankind
Oct 8th, 2007, 01:06 AM
I am a Safarova fan and I would like to think she has a good touch, but as of now she doesn't. Forehand is her main weapon.
Slice backhand is definitely useful, mainly on grass. Not as much on clay though. Ana's slice backhand has yet to become a significant weapon imo. However, I like the fact that she introduced this shot into her game. Plus she's the only young player who seems to have the volition to improve her volleying skills. Anyway I still don't like her. :p

Slice BH is very useful on clay. It can turn into an offensive shot from a defensive shot. Ana basically sliced most BHs against Sharapova in the semis and she couldn't handle that variety.

Lunaris
Oct 8th, 2007, 01:40 AM
I didn't see Ivanovic vs. Sharapova semifinal but in general slice isn't as useful on clay because of higher bounce on that surface. It can be a good defensive shot on any surface because it travels longer so it gives you more time to position yourself before your next shot, but on clay it isn't an effective offensive shot like on hard and especially on grass because it bounces higher and your opponent has enough time to hit an effective groundstroke.

OsloErik
Oct 8th, 2007, 02:48 AM
Of these, Jankovic, Golovin, and Szavay are probably the most all-around players. I'd add Radwanska to that list.

Radwanska probably has the most variety off both sides and the most ability at net, but isn't the most all-around in terms of her serve, which is good but not great.

Jankovic and Golovin for similar reasons, with a little more power and service variety to Tati and a little better footwork (and stronger ankles...) to Jelena.

Szavay is a player to be very optimistic about. In the past month and a half she's shown very good ability at playing forward, electing to do that pretty frequently. Her serve has a lot of variety, and doesn't seem very prone to breaking down a la...Russians minus Kuznetsova. Her backhand has a ton of variety from the back of the court, a little reminiscent of Evert actually but not as stunningly consistent. The areas she's less impressive are off the forehand, which has plenty of variety at the net but lacks it from the baseline.

I too am confused by Vaidisova's name. She's not got a very balanced game by any objective measure. She does have a lot of variety on her serve, which is a positive, but her groundstrokes aren't all that varied, and her net game isn't anywhere near as good as most of the players in the poll.

Ivanovic is actually an interesting option. Most people associate variety with quicker players, but Ivanovic shows a ton of variety off her forehand, and can actually do quite a bit at the net (albeit reluctantly).

Safarova is another stealth choice, she's got quite a good deal of movement on her lefty serve (she and Schnyder win more points off of 100 mph serves than anyone on tour) and has very good touch at times, but she's simply not patient enough to exhibit it.

Dokicfan17
Oct 8th, 2007, 03:29 AM
Why are Jankovic and Golovin in this poll...they cant volley and Jelena cant serve well lol
I love Agnes Szavay as an all court player...NICE serve...fast big backhand, BIG forehand..and she can volley very well
Also in 2nd...Chakvatadze tied with Vaidisova