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lizchris
Oct 5th, 2007, 07:00 PM
Disgraced US track star Marion Jones will admit today to taking steriods when she won her five Olympic medals in 2000. In 2000, she was named Associated Press and Reuters Female Athlete of the Year, with Venus coming in second for both honors. I would think that because she is going to be stripped of medals she won in 2000, she will be stripped of those honors too and the Female Athlete of the Year would be awarde to Venus who, IMO, was more deserving of both awards.

Dawn Marie
Oct 5th, 2007, 07:02 PM
YES! MArion... FOR SHAME!!!

Kworb
Oct 5th, 2007, 07:02 PM
Wow I didn't know Marion used steroids.. then again I don't follow athletics that closely :o

lizchris
Oct 5th, 2007, 07:16 PM
I may have to correct the title of my post; according to what I have found on the Web, an Australian Olympican, who is of aborigine disent, may have been runner-up in the Reuters Female Athlete of the Year voting.

Direwolf
Oct 5th, 2007, 07:20 PM
I may have to correct the title of my post; according to what I have found on the Web, an Australian Olympican, who is of aborigine disent, may have been runner-up in the Reuters Female Athlete of the Year voting.

oh.. whats her name again??
shes the girl who lit the torch right??

i use to like her

cometz9
Oct 5th, 2007, 07:20 PM
I may have to correct the title of my post; according to what I have found on the Web, an Australian Olympican, who is of aborigine disent, may have been runner-up in the Reuters Female Athlete of the Year voting.

according to this article, Venus was runner-up:

http://www.usatf.org/news/nn122700.html

Direwolf
Oct 5th, 2007, 07:23 PM
1st: marion jones with 111 points
2nd: venus williams 104.5 points
3rd: some girl with 30 points..

lol... not even close

winone23
Oct 5th, 2007, 07:24 PM
Give Venus those honors LOL

ElusiveChanteuse
Oct 5th, 2007, 07:29 PM
Go Vee!;)

tenn_ace
Oct 5th, 2007, 07:30 PM
would Venus care?

I don't think any of the athletes would care. The moment has passed.

gaggleguy
Oct 5th, 2007, 07:36 PM
how confident are you that Venus was cleaner than Marion Jones in 2000?

stefi62
Oct 5th, 2007, 07:39 PM
oh.. whats her name again??
shes the girl who lit the torch right??

i use to like her

That's Kathy Freeman, winner of 400m at the Olympics ;)

vwfan
Oct 5th, 2007, 07:45 PM
so sad that Marion was caught up in doping and lied about it. such a talent!

anyway, good for Venus if she ultimately is named Female Athlete of 2000. A just reward.

vwfan
Oct 5th, 2007, 07:46 PM
how confident are you that Venus was cleaner than Marion Jones in 2000?oh, no you didn't!!!!:fiery:

but you did. . .and I guess you just need a little attention.

lizchris
Oct 5th, 2007, 07:47 PM
according to this article, Venus was runner-up:

http://www.usatf.org/news/nn122700.html


For the AP honor, yes, but for Reuters, it might have been someone else.

lizchris
Oct 5th, 2007, 07:48 PM
would Venus care?

I don't think any of the athletes would care. The moment has passed.


I don't know if she would, but I know if I was a clean and honest athlete (like Venus is), I'd be a tad annoyed.

lizchris
Oct 5th, 2007, 07:51 PM
how confident are you that Venus was cleaner than Marion Jones in 2000?


Because, Einstein, if she had failed a drug test, everyone from here to Pluto would have known about it, she would have been stripped of her medals and she would have been banned from tennis for at least two years.

gaggleguy
Oct 5th, 2007, 07:55 PM
Because, Einstein, if she had failed a drug test, everyone from here to Pluto would have known about it, she would have been stripped of her medals and she would have been banned from tennis for at least two years.


so, you think the fact that Venus (or any other player) didnt fail a drug test is a proof that they are clean?

Marion Jones didnt fail any drug tests for what, 8 years in competition

and track & field is a sport where the athletes are tested far more rigorously than in tennis..

azinna
Oct 5th, 2007, 07:59 PM
I agree that the moment has passed...couple that with the inevitable taint and I'm not sure Venus would or should care....

By the way, Reuters and AP should really consider not giving these awards to cyclists and track-and-field athletes for a good long while. Friends who ran track keep telling me all the folks with world class times are on something undetectable, and those caught are the foolish and underfunded. I held out hope with MJ...but come to find out she was full of the juice during that glory of 2000...(sigh)...and then, like all the others, turned full of shit when 'caught' and asked.... Much prefer FloJo's style: get off the sprint circuit, go long distance, stay out of the spotlight, when asked say 'catch me if you can,' then scissor-kick the bucket at 38.....

lizchris
Oct 5th, 2007, 07:59 PM
so, you think the fact that Venus (or any other player) didnt fail a drug test is proof that they are clean?

Marion Jones didnt fail any drug tests for what, 8 years in competition

and track & field is a sport where the athletes are tested far more rigorously than in tennis..



I don't know if Venus was clean in 2000 and neither do you, but if you do have infornmation that she wasn't then you should call the USTA, WTA and ITF.

She might have not failed any test, but if she was so confident that she was clean, then why did she admit she wasn't?

selking
Oct 5th, 2007, 08:05 PM
im sorry but if venus was on roids she would like like serena. shes clean

borisyBACK
Oct 5th, 2007, 08:06 PM
Marion Jones:

Big time loser!

Didn't she at first say that all the claims were by her ex husband because he was jealous?

Bijoux0021
Oct 5th, 2007, 10:49 PM
http://i20.tinypic.com/16kcbhh.jpg

I feel bad for Marion's mom.

samn
Oct 6th, 2007, 09:35 AM
That's Kathy Freeman, winner of 400m at the Olympics ;)

I think Freeman's first name is Cathy, with a 'C', not Kathy.

@Sweet Cleopatra
Oct 6th, 2007, 09:54 AM
most of Americam athletes champions took steroids , that's not the first case , what a shame

jacobruiz
Oct 6th, 2007, 06:08 PM
most of Americam athletes champions took steroids , that's not the first case , what a shame


Slight exaggeration there, Sweet Cleo.:rolleyes:

Very sad story about Marion.:sad:

Maryamator
Oct 6th, 2007, 06:11 PM
most of Americam athletes champions took steroids , that's not the first case , what a shame
ur still alive?

harloo
Oct 6th, 2007, 06:14 PM
http://i20.tinypic.com/16kcbhh.jpg

I feel bad for Marion's mom.

If you saw the press conference her mother was so distraught. But I bet she was the one who made Marion tell the truth and cure her soul from demons. It must've been hard trying to keep the steroid use a secret while going through a divorce and filing for bankruptcy. Marion should go back to school after she serves her time.:sad:

harloo
Oct 6th, 2007, 06:16 PM
most of Americam athletes champions took steroids , that's not the first case , what a shame

Another ignorant comment from Sweet Cleopatra. Shouldn't you be in your room kneeling down in front of your Maria Sharapova shrine?:lol:

scoobsuk
Oct 6th, 2007, 06:18 PM
Nothing "sad" about Marion, IMO - it's disgusting. I hope they throw the book at her so hard it needs to be surgically removed.

Her cynical denials at the time make me feel really angry now.

Doesn't exactly matter if the honors get re-awarded to Venus or whoever now - the boat sailed long ago.

Mr. Magassi
Oct 6th, 2007, 06:20 PM
I actually feel very badly for Marion, she seemed so broken and sincere in her apology (it's not like she murdered someone)... regardless, I really like Marion Jones despite what happened...

scoobsuk
Oct 6th, 2007, 06:25 PM
I actually feel very badly for Marion, she seemed so broken and sincere in her apology (it's not like she murdered someone)... regardless, I really like Marion Jones despite what happened...
All I can think about is the fall-out for Athletics in particular and all sports in general.

There has to be such suspicion and mistrust thanks to people like this. They dishonour themselves and all sportsmen and women. She can boo-hoo all she likes. It's the reputation of sport that I feel sorry for. How many more hammer blows can it take before there is absolutely no trust left that sportsmen and woman are clean, not drugging, not fixing competitions or matches, not gambling on outcomes....

CrossCourt~Rally
Oct 6th, 2007, 06:57 PM
Venus should 100% recieve these awards . Say what you want about Venus, whether your a fan or not...Venus is not a cheat and fully deserves these awards for the amazing year she had . :bounce:

friendsita
Oct 6th, 2007, 07:34 PM
Good for V!

Helen Lawson
Oct 6th, 2007, 07:34 PM
would Venus care?

I don't think any of the athletes would care. The moment has passed.

I agree with respect to like a title or someone beating someone else head to head in the same sport. You can't recreate a moment in those situations, but a press poll isn't really the same. It's not like Marion defeated Venus one on one in some same sport competition so there was really no "moment." These are honors rarely afforded a tennis player, I think it would be big, even seven years later. Venus did have one amazing year then. Didn't Steffi lose those polls in 88 and it went to Flo Jo? This is a huge honor for a tennis player.

samn
Oct 6th, 2007, 07:43 PM
Didn't Steffi lose those polls in 88 and it went to Flo Jo? This is a huge honor for a tennis player.

Yep, Graf lost the American honours to Florence Griffith Joyner and Jackie Joyner Kersee and most of the European polls to Kristin Otto. As 1988 was an Olympic year, athletes who won multiple golds at the Games swept most of the "Sportsperson of the Year" awards. Not that it makes any difference to Graf's Hall of Fame career, but it does sort of give short shrift to tennis players who have to play from January to November across a variety of playing surfaces.

turko
Oct 6th, 2007, 08:00 PM
I actually feel very badly for Marion, she seemed so broken and sincere in her apology (it's not like she murdered someone)... regardless, I really like Marion Jones despite what happened...

i dont feelid bad for her she cheat and that wrong.but i agreeing with you that she not kill person so why maby she get jailid for 5 years???world in crazy i thinkid

gaggleguy
Oct 6th, 2007, 08:19 PM
Say what you want about Venus, whether your a fan or not...Venus is not a cheat and fully deserves these awards for the amazing year she had . :bounce:


you have no idea whatsover whether or not Venus Williams is a cheat, especially going back 7 years ago

..unless you would like to reveal something you aware of that the rest of us dont, that you know Venus personally and spent a lot of time with her to know that she never took anything

Nicolás89
Oct 6th, 2007, 08:24 PM
i heard she could go to jail if she is guilty :sad:

Tennisstar86
Oct 6th, 2007, 08:28 PM
Nothing "sad" about Marion, IMO - it's disgusting. I hope they throw the book at her so hard it needs to be surgically removed.

Her cynical denials at the time make me feel really angry now.

Doesn't exactly matter if the honors get re-awarded to Venus or whoever now - the boat sailed long ago.

Whats sad is did she really need them...? I mean yes she probably wouldnt have won 5... but she came back in 2004 and won 3 medals drug free.....

Also why are we all claiming Venus is a cheat now..... Venus prolly will get them. I personally think she deserved it then anyways... On another note y is marion going to jail?

DimaDinosaur
Oct 6th, 2007, 09:40 PM
Ok, so will Venus get these awards or not???

dansnewbeg
Oct 6th, 2007, 10:16 PM
Williams was probably more deserving of the honor back then anyway.

Don't care much about Marion Jones, but she deserves everything that's coming to her for cheating her sport and especially her competitors and TEAMMATES who'll be stripped of their Olympic relay golds as well. Blah.

I say the same about the baseball cheats too, who seem to be getting off scot-free.

thrust
Oct 6th, 2007, 11:25 PM
turko- The world is indeed crazy! As bad or stupid as Marion was in taking those steriods, if her coaches knew, they are more to blame. She deserves to lose her medals, but it makes no sense to put her in jail. I think she has suffered enough. Venus does deserve to receive the award now. I am sure she would be thrilled to get it at this late date.

mygirlV
Oct 7th, 2007, 12:07 AM
Whats sad is did she really need them...? I mean yes she probably wouldnt have won 5... but she came back in 2004 and won 3 medals drug free.....

Also why are we all claiming Venus is a cheat now..... Venus prolly will get them. I personally think she deserved it then anyways... On another note y is marion going to jail?

For lying

Tennisstar86
Oct 7th, 2007, 12:14 AM
Whats sad is did she really need them...? I mean yes she probably wouldnt have won 5... but she came back in 2004 and won 3 medals drug free.....

Also why are we all claiming Venus is a cheat now..... Venus prolly will get them. I personally think she deserved it then anyways... On another note y is marion going to jail?

For lying

Since when is lying a jail sentenced? hell. Lindsay lohan take cocaine into a police station (a BIGGER nono than being in posession of it) not to mention all the DUI's out there.... Rapist can get less than 5 years... Did Costa? or whatever his name was not fail a drug test two years ago? and comes back to beat federer twice in a row? last i checked Steroid use just gets you banned not jail time....

And yes whatever happened with Baseball...one second it was a big deal.... and now it seems like its just normal practices for the players to be drugged up...(stupid sport anyways....)

pkilli
Oct 7th, 2007, 12:22 AM
I kind a feel sad for this whole story, but you know if there is a punishment the coaches and the team surrounding Marion also should be punished! Marion is talented and how I wish she shouldn't have taken these! She has to live with the consequences now and this nightmare haunts her throughout the life.

She is a teenage talented young star surrounded by a bad coach and bad trainers who ruined her life! It's a shame, she shouldn't have lied when the investigators questioned her! I feel bad for her family and her child!

I think Venus will get this award now, well deserved certainly!

mygirlV
Oct 7th, 2007, 12:26 AM
[quote=mygirlV;11778437]

Since when is lying a jail sentenced? hell. Lindsay lohan take cocaine into a police station (a BIGGER nono than being in posession of it) not to mention all the DUI's out there.... Rapist can get less than 5 years... Did Costa? or whatever his name was not fail a drug test two years ago? and comes back to beat federer twice in a row? last i checked Steroid use just gets you banned not jail time.

And yes whatever happened with Baseball...one second it was a big deal.... and now it seems like its just normal practices for the players to be drugged up...(stupid sport anyways....)

Here is part of the story from AP on ESPN.com

On Friday, Jones sat perfectly still, detailing her crimes in a clear, loud voice. Speaking into a microphone, her eyes on the judge above her, she admitted lying to a federal investigator in November 2003 when he asked if she had used performance-enhancing drugs.
"I answered that I had not. This was a lie, your honor," she said.
Jones said she took steroids from September 2000 to July 2001 and said she was told by her then-coach Trevor Graham that she was taking flaxseed oil when it was actually "the clear." That's a performance-enhancing drug linked to BALCO, the lab at the center of the steroids scandal in professional sports.
"I consumed this substance several times before the Sydney Olympics and continued using it after," Jones told the judge. "By November 2003, I realized he was giving me performance-enhancing drugs."
She said she "felt different, trained more intensely" and experienced "faster recovery and better times" while using the substance.
"He told me to put it under my tongue for a few seconds and swallow it," she said. "He told me not to tell anyone."
A Sept. 3, 2003, search warrant at BALCO uncovered ledgers, purchases, doping calendars, and various blood-test results connected to Jones and Graham, said Matt Parrella, a federal prosecutor in Northern California.
In the check-fraud scheme, Jones admitted lying about her knowledge of Montgomery's involvement in a scheme to cash millions of dollars worth of stolen or forged checks. Montgomery; Jones' longtime agent Charles Wells; and a former coach, Olympian Steve Riddick, have all been convicted in the scam.
"It's bittersweet," said Travis Tygart, chief executive officer of the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency. "Any time a potential American hero admits to cheating us sports fans, people who watch Olympic games, it's bittersweet."
And it isn't over yet.

BuTtErFrEnA
Oct 7th, 2007, 01:25 AM
hmmm hopefully she gets it....it's always sad to lose honours to people who are doped up...

homogenius
Oct 7th, 2007, 07:50 AM
[QUOTE=mygirlV;11778437]

Since when is lying a jail sentenced? hell. Lindsay lohan take cocaine into a police station (a BIGGER nono than being in posession of it) not to mention all the DUI's out there.... Rapist can get less than 5 years... Did Costa? or whatever his name was not fail a drug test two years ago? and comes back to beat federer twice in a row? last i checked Steroid use just gets you banned not jail time....

And yes whatever happened with Baseball...one second it was a big deal.... and now it seems like its just normal practices for the players to be drugged up...(stupid sport anyways....)

Apparently lying is a jail sentenced when you do it to federals.I read that she risks 5 years (not because she took steroids but because of federal "crime")but she probably won't do it.
The player who failed the drug test wasn't Costa but Canas, but his case was strange.

homogenius
Oct 7th, 2007, 08:00 AM
What is sad is that she said the truth because she had no choice, not because she was feeling guilty.The woman was married to CJ Hunter and Montgomery, her trainer had numerous athletes who got caught (the last one being Gatlin) and she continued to say that she was innocent.Pathetic.
Back to the topic, I agree whith those who said that the moment has passed.Even if Venus get some honors from this, it won't be the same (just like the athletes who get some medals for the same reasons, in a cheap ceremony years after the race).

turko
Oct 7th, 2007, 04:19 PM
turko- The world is indeed crazy! As bad or stupid as Marion was in taking those steriods, if her coaches knew, they are more to blame. She deserves to lose her medals, but it makes no sense to put her in jail. I think she has suffered enough. Venus does deserve to receive the award now. I am sure she would be thrilled to get it at this late date.

i duno,i am likid what she do to go jail???:confused: she only takid things that bad for her,lookid what happen to FloJoy,she takid drugs and it killid her,what happen to peoples that gived her drugs???:confused: anyway Marion was wrong and she knowid this but jail is crazy when you thnkid what bad things people do and not go there???:confused: if Marion say she sorry for what she do,i forgives her:hug:

Sam L
Oct 7th, 2007, 05:34 PM
Go Venus. You deserve the AP Female Athlete of the Year award. :)

rjd1111
Oct 7th, 2007, 06:31 PM
so, you think the fact that Venus (or any other player) didnt fail a drug test is a proof that they are clean?

Marion Jones didnt fail any drug tests for what, 8 years in competition

and track & field is a sport where the athletes are tested far more rigorously than in tennis..



Because, Forrest, if Venus was using with her natural abilities She would be # 1 with

many more slams and playing like a bigger, better version of Justine. OOPS!

mygirlV
Oct 7th, 2007, 07:02 PM
Because, Forrest, if Venus was using with her natural abilities She would be # 1 with

many more slams and playing like a bigger, better version of Justine. OOPS!

Do you think he/she ever heard the saying about those living in glass houses. OOPS:lol:

Miranda
Oct 9th, 2007, 05:56 AM
i think she would still won without the doping, how foolish she was

Miranda
Oct 9th, 2007, 05:57 AM
why i can't put on smilies

The Kaz
Oct 9th, 2007, 08:13 AM
That's Kathy Freeman, winner of 400m at the Olympics ;)

Cathy Freeman :p