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stickwitju(ju)
Oct 5th, 2007, 08:21 AM
Forget about ranking, titles, win-loss record, H2H. Forget about the fact that they're your favourite player. Forget that you think they're hot.

Based on TALENT alone, who is your Top 10?

:scratch:

stickwitju(ju)
Oct 5th, 2007, 08:24 AM
1. Henin
2. Serena
3. Mauresmo
4. Venus
5. Davenport
6. Petrova
7. Hingis
8. Kuznetsova
9. Jankovic
10. Safarova

:hatoff:

friendsita
Oct 5th, 2007, 08:31 AM
1. Venus
2. Martina
3. Serena
4. Masha
5. Amelie
6. Justine
7. Jelena
8. Lindsay
9. Elena
10. Ana

justine schnyder
Oct 5th, 2007, 08:39 AM
1. Henin
2. Schnyder
3.Mauresmo
4.Hingis
5. Jankovic
6. Kuznetsova
7. Safarova
8. Davenport
9. Radwanska
10. Hantuchova

Andy.
Oct 5th, 2007, 08:41 AM
I think some people just have this belief that playing with variety = more talent which I think is rubbish.

mankind
Oct 5th, 2007, 08:48 AM
I think some people just have this belief that playing with variety = more talent which I think is rubbish.

Anyone who is big and tall can practice smashing balls and nothing else and become quite good at it. Talent is variety, or possessing those kinds of shots that cannot be taught, or learnt by repitition.

Beny
Oct 5th, 2007, 08:50 AM
Patty
Justine
Serena
Lucie Safarova
Amelie
Sveta
Daniela
Maria
Ana
Hana Sromova :lol: in fact, I meant it a bit seriously..I saw her hit some extraordinary shots not everyone could hit

The Crow
Oct 5th, 2007, 08:50 AM
Yes, but maybe being big and tall is also a talent. It's also something you're born with and it can't be taught ;)

mankind
Oct 5th, 2007, 08:53 AM
Yes, but maybe being big and tall is also a talent. It's also something you're born with and it can't be taught ;)

By repition, I said. I wish being tall were a talent. But until it is, I'm just plain talentless.

faboozadoo15
Oct 5th, 2007, 08:58 AM
Yes, but maybe being big and tall is also a talent. It's also something you're born with and it can't be taught ;)

Exactly, and I disagree about what he said about variety and finesse being a godgiven quality. Quite conversely, these are the shots that ARE taught and require a lot more work. That's often why players who possess variety are hard workers and take a longer time to develop.

And the ability to take enormous swings at the ball to propel it at breakneck speeds with little spin and be consistent requires an INSANE amount of timing and hand eye-coordination, and if anything, that's more written in the DNA than a player developing a good drop shot or slice.

Juju4ever
Oct 5th, 2007, 08:58 AM
1. Radwanska
2. Schnyder
3. Hingis
4. Jankovic
5. Henin
6. Mauresmo
7. Petrova
8. Kuznetsova
9. Szavay
10. Hantuchova

stickwitju(ju)
Oct 5th, 2007, 08:59 AM
I think some people just have this belief that playing with variety = more talent which I think is rubbish.

Don't project your insecurities about your favourite onto us. Just put her in your fucking Top 10. Stop looking to others for validation. And keep in mind that my own favourite gets as much criticism as yours particularly about a match that happened almost 5 years ago!!!

:wavey:

tenn_ace
Oct 5th, 2007, 09:02 AM
Interesting that some you included Sveta. I like her a lot and am glad to see that, but do you know that a few years back Spanish Tennis Federation watched her play and decided that Sveta is not talented enough for them to support her application for Spanish citizenship... I thought you might want to know ;)

Juju4ever
Oct 5th, 2007, 09:05 AM
Interesting that some you included Sveta. I like her a lot and am glad to see that, but do you know that a few years back Spanish Tennis Federation watched her play and decided that Sveta is not talented enough for them to support her application for Spanish citizenship... I thought you might want to know ;)

I'm sure they are happy about that decision. :wavey:

mankind
Oct 5th, 2007, 09:07 AM
These are not in any particular order, just the order in which I thought of them.

Safarova
Henin
S.Williams
V.Williams
Ivanovic
Hingis
Bartoli
Makarova
Mauresmo
Schnyder

50Sense
Oct 5th, 2007, 09:18 AM
I don't think I could formulate an entire top ten, but there's no doubt in my mind that based on talent alone, Venus is #1.

faboozadoo15
Oct 5th, 2007, 09:20 AM
Where are all these Safarova picks coming from?

ThreeDT
Oct 5th, 2007, 09:31 AM
another way of looking at itÖ

Many players choose professional tennis through sheer hard work, training, practicing. Others were destined for it naturally and donít need to question their technique as much.

I think itís what someone is naturally born with.

The dictionary says: ability, power, gift, faculty, flair, genius, brilliance, facility, aptitude, capacity, knack, ingenuity, expertise, forte, endowment.

PS. Will post my list later.
BTW. Where is Chakvetadze?

Keadz
Oct 5th, 2007, 09:41 AM
Schnyder, Hingis, Henin, Kuznetsova, S.Williams, Radwanksa, Mauresmo, Davenport, Dokic ANND Masha

Renalicious
Oct 5th, 2007, 09:44 AM
I'm only putting in active players.

1. Venus (She has more TALENT than Rena, but she just doesn't have the spirit like her)
2. Henin (Talent alone remember, not spirit or anything else.)
3. Safarova
4. Serena
5. Mauresmo
6. Bartoli (When she's on, man! She's on.)
7. Radwanska (Interesting shots - they work most of the time.)
8. Jankovic (A good replacement for Kim)
9. Davenport
10. Dementieva (groundstrokes are amazing at times.)

mankind
Oct 5th, 2007, 10:06 AM
Where are all these Safarova picks coming from?

Massively talented lefty baseliner. Some of the shots she hits are just incredible. :eek:

She needs to contain her game a bit, though - like Fernando Gonzalez has done this past 12 months. If she did what he did, she could easily achieve the results he has and more.

tennisbear7
Oct 5th, 2007, 10:09 AM
Hingis
Henin
Venus
Kim
Lindsay
Mauresmo
Schnyder
Serena
Ivanovic
Radwanska

Lunaris
Oct 5th, 2007, 10:24 AM
It's totally subjective of course, in no particular order, only active players. So no bitching if you don't like it. ;)

Mauresmo (the way how she can adjust her game on clay and on grass can't be learned imo)
Hingis (in a very young age she's already had a precise game and was maybe the biggest talent of her generation)
Schnyder (she can hit almost any shot and it looks naturally)
Henin (she has changed her game quite a lot to be able to compete with powerplayers of this era, but even before she was extraordinary)
A. Radwanska (18 years old with quite a good arsenal of shots and smart play, plus the short period of time during which she was able to dramatically improve her first serve is almost scary)
Hantuchova (of course I must be biased ;) , but she's always had a great all court game and natural strokes in Davenport style)
Dementieva (her mental issues with serve cost her a way better career)
Davenport (obviously one of the greatest natural ballstrikers the game has ever seen, you have to be born with it imo)

As for the russians, it's known that russian sportsmen grew up in almost drastical conditions (Kuznetsova said something like they practiced in -5 °C) and their athletic abilities are more grinded than anything else imo, because they will do everything for success (or at least it was like that before). Most girls from the former Soviet Union are big, strong and hit it hard. It's a common stereotype there, which I don't particularly admire.
As for the WS, I think they're indeed very talented (Venus maybe a bit more) but they benefited mainly from the fact that womens game wasn't prepared for their style of play with booming serve and crushing groundstrokes. Their power is sometimes comparable with men and that was (is) too much for other girls to handle. They started a new trend in womens tennis. I see a similarlity with Navratilova here. I don't think their careers would be as successful if they started now in current state of womens tennis (they would be successful but I don't see either of them dominating like they did in 2001-02). But of course that's only my opinion, which might be utterly wrong.
As for Safarova, I like her a lot but I don't know. I still wait for something more from her. Hopefully she will deliver. Talent is there, but I am not sure whether as much talent as some people here think. But I guess it's hard not to be impressed after what she showed in Paris. Maybe I am too critical after her recent results. :o

Andy.
Oct 5th, 2007, 10:29 AM
Venus
Serena
Justine
Hingis
Masha
Lindsay
Sveta
Amelie
Ana
Dementieva

Hingie
Oct 5th, 2007, 11:01 AM
I think some people just have this belief that playing with variety = more talent which I think is rubbish.

Actually variety is part of the equation but more importantly, shot selection is what will make the variety work for you (if you can actually pull off the shot required at that time).

There has been talk in this thread that players can work incredibly hard on shots, therefore they develop these skills. Some players are just born with the innate ability to be able to execute certain shots. Those who don't have it can still have success with certain shots, but it may look manufactured, the consistency is not there or eventually the technique breaks down. Not to mention shots that you do not (and can't) practice in drills - shots that are not common but may be appropriate in certain situations during match play (for instance a half volley on the service line while moving in), and again the ability to actually do it.

Based on that, my 10 who i've seen play a fair bit:


Hingis - yes she's a favourite but she really is the most talented of her generation (you can't base this on her current form as it has been appauling but in her prime, the shots she used to play were just :eek:)
Henin
V.Williams
S.Williams
Davenport
Schnyder
Jankovic
Mauresmo
Sharapova
Zvereva (Natasha has incredible talent but was unable to convert this to significant success on the singles court... a shame).

vwfan
Oct 5th, 2007, 11:21 AM
The two most talented players on tour, imho are:

Venus Williams. Her natural athleticism has her making shots from all around the court that no one else can. I just think of her backhand swing volley. The commentators are always talking about how it is the hardest shot in tennis and Venus just makes it look divine. The thing is she has never perfected her game. And what a treat, if she ever does! :eek:

Martina Hingis. The girl at her best is just a genius on the court--anticipating shots and delivering them consistently. She can do every shot in tennis well and was dominating the sport at a very young age. Why? She is a master chess player on the court and few compete with her in this regard.

It is no wonder that matches between these two are some of the all time best ones on record.

Ntour
Oct 5th, 2007, 11:55 AM
I think some people just have this belief that playing with variety = more talent which I think is rubbish.

and you think that because?......

oh right your a maria fan

but really you couldn't put maria top of the list

i think patty is one of the most talented, also hingis

Ntour
Oct 5th, 2007, 11:56 AM
The two most talented players on tour, imho are:

Venus Williams. Her natural athleticism has her making shots from all around the court that no one else can. I just think of her backhand swing volley. The commentators are always talking about how it is the hardest shot in tennis and Venus just makes it look divine. The thing is she has never perfected her game. And what a treat, if she ever does! :eek:

Martina Hingis. The girl at her best is just a genius on the court--anticipating shots and delivering them consistently. She can do every shot in tennis well and was dominating the sport at a very young age. Why? She is a master chess player on the court and few compete with her in this regard.

It is no wonder that matches between these two are some of the all time best ones on record.

the high backhand volley is actually the hardest shot in tennis

Ntour
Oct 5th, 2007, 11:59 AM
Schnyder, Hingis, Henin, Kuznetsova, S.Williams, Radwanksa, Mauresmo, Davenport, Dokic ANND Masha

i like this list but where is venus? i'd cut dokic and maria and slide venus in above kuznetsova

vwfan
Oct 5th, 2007, 11:59 AM
the high backhand volley is actually the hardest shot in tennisok. i guess that's what i meant.

Kworb
Oct 5th, 2007, 12:03 PM
Hingis is obviously #1, she had an unnatural gift and was able to beat almost anyone at 15 years old without being in supreme physical condition. As she aged she lost the arrogance that allowed her to construct points and "play" with her opponents and that's why she is not as good anymore.

The rest of the top 10, I'm not sure. I think how they did as juniors is the best indication to judge their natural talent.

Wayn77
Oct 5th, 2007, 12:06 PM
Talent is such a fickle and subjective beast ...

1. Henin
2. Williams S
3. Williams V
4. Hingis
5. Mauresmo
6. Petrova
7. Dementieva
8. Jankovic
9. Kuznetsova
10. Sharapova

venusallday
Oct 5th, 2007, 12:16 PM
Venus (best athleticism and ability to hit any shot from anywhere on the court)
Serena (best stroke/athleticism (not much now) combo)
Lindsey (cleanest strokes of all-time)
Mauresmo (best all-around game at times)
Henin (great backhand; can really give the ball a whale for a such a small frame)
Hingis

...can't think of others worth mentioning right now.
Kuznetsova
Ivanovic

BuTtErFrEnA
Oct 5th, 2007, 12:27 PM
Venus
Serena
Justine
Hingis
Masha
Lindsay
Sveta
Amelie
Ana
Dementieva

I'd change around sveta and amelie and lena D and Ana and that would be mine

LudwigDvorak
Oct 5th, 2007, 12:28 PM
I'm going to include all players I've seen. In no order:

Martina Navratilova
Monica Seles
Martina Hingis
Venus Williams
Serena Williams
Lindsay Davenport
Amelie Mauresmo
Justine Henin
Elena Dementieva
Kim Clijsters

Martina, Monica, and Serena are basically the three best players I've ever seen, and I don't think any of those need explanations, but I just want to say, yet again, Kim Clijsters is probably the biggest waste of potential I've ever seen, excluding Elena. Just. Could do anything on court, and didn't even have the desire to do it. Terrible.

KennyChante4ever
Oct 5th, 2007, 12:32 PM
1) Serena
2) Hingis
3) Seles (I consider her still active because she hasn't officially retired)
4) Venus
5) Mauresmo
6) Henin
7) Petrova
8) Davenport
9) Rubin (see Seles)
10) Jankovic

Lovesunair
Oct 5th, 2007, 12:39 PM
Henin
Kournikova
Hingis
Kusnetsova
Mauresmo
Venus
Davenport
Jankovic
Myskina
Schnyder

The main talant in tennis for me is what you can do with the ball. your tecnic oportunities, feeling the ball and feeling the court. not your physical power or so

DA FOREHAND
Oct 5th, 2007, 01:09 PM
1. Radwanska
2. Schnyder
3. Hingis
4. Jankovic
5. Henin
6. Mauresmo
7. Petrova
8. Kuznetsova
9. Szavay
10. Hantuchova

WOW what a great player (not so talented though) Venus must be as she's comped on all of the aforementioned players:worship: :worship:

vwfan
Oct 5th, 2007, 01:18 PM
Hingis is obviously #1, she had an unnatural gift and was able to beat almost anyone at 15 years old without being in supreme physical condition. As she aged she lost the arrogance that allowed her to construct points and "play" with her opponents and that's why she is not as good anymore.

The rest of the top 10, I'm not sure. I think how they did as juniors is the best indication to judge their natural talent.Venus was undefeated as a junior and conisderred a prodigy at ten.

mandy7
Oct 5th, 2007, 01:34 PM
i just re-organised the current top 10

Henin
Kuznetsova
Ivanovic
Hantuchova
Chakvetadze
Jankovic
Williams
Petrova
Williams
Sharapova

Donny
Oct 5th, 2007, 01:40 PM
I'd actually put Venus as my top in terms of talent. Why? Because out of all elite players, she has, quite frankly, pretty poor technique on a lot of her shots. Contrast this to Serenam whose serve is technical perfection, or Henin's backhand, or Sharapova's backhand, or Ivanovic's forehand. I think this speaks volumes about venus' inate skills as a tennis player than someone who has to actually learn proper shots.

So my list:

Venus
Henin
Serena
Davenport
Sharapova
Kuznetsova
Safarova
Mauresmo
Hingis
Ivanovic

DA FOREHAND
Oct 5th, 2007, 01:41 PM
JJ more talented than both Williams sisters? She can't even volley, ditto for Chak..thanks for that amusing post.

DA FOREHAND
Oct 5th, 2007, 01:44 PM
Hingis
Venus
Lindsay
Serena
Patty
Daniela
Justine
Amelie

homogenius
Oct 5th, 2007, 01:45 PM
Venus was undefeated as a junior and conisderred a prodigy at ten.

Venus was not undefeated as a junior (but she was still very good at a young age).

DA FOREHAND
Oct 5th, 2007, 01:47 PM
Venus was not undefeated as a junior (but she was still very good at a young age).

Yes she was. Her first loss was against ASV in Oakland, that was a pro tour event. They asked her what it felt like to get her first loss on the tour and she responded "I don't know I've never lost before"

DragonFlame
Oct 5th, 2007, 01:47 PM
JJ more talented than both Williams sisters? She can't even volley, ditto for Chak..thanks for that amusing post.

you don't have to defend your faves when someone is not attacking them:rolleyes: RELAX, it's only someone's own oppinion in a list jeezz

DA FOREHAND
Oct 5th, 2007, 01:49 PM
you don't have to defend your faves when someone is not attacking them:rolleyes: RELAX, it's only someone's own oppinion in a list jeezz

Oh:tape:

justine schnyder
Oct 5th, 2007, 01:50 PM
I don't understand those who said Sharapova has more talent than Patty:confused:

Just Do It
Oct 5th, 2007, 01:52 PM
I don't understand those who said Sharapova has more talent than Patty

:spit:

vwfan
Oct 5th, 2007, 01:56 PM
I'd actually put Venus as my top in terms of talent. Why? Because out of all elite players, she has, quite frankly, pretty poor technique on a lot of her shots. Contrast this to Serenam whose serve is technical perfection, or Henin's backhand, or Sharapova's backhand, or Ivanovic's forehand. I think this speaks volumes about venus' inate skills as a tennis player than someone who has to actually learn proper shots.

So my list:

Venus
Henin
Serena
Davenport
Sharapova
Kuznetsova
Safarova
Mauresmo
Hingis
Ivanovicnow this is the definition of a backhanded compliment. :rolleyes:

actually, i've only heard people talk about her poor technique on her forehand (which has improved dramatically) and her second serve, so I wouldn't call that a lot of shots.

vwfan
Oct 5th, 2007, 01:58 PM
Yes she was. Her first loss was against ASV in Oakland, that was a pro tour event. They asked her what it felt like to get her first loss on the tour and she responded "I don't know I've never lost before"I recall and that is my point. She was playing a pro event not a junior event. ;)

homogenius
Oct 5th, 2007, 02:05 PM
Yes she was. Her first loss was against ASV in Oakland, that was a pro tour event. They asked her what it felt like to get her first loss on the tour and she responded "I don't know I've never lost before"

I read not a long time ago that she played something like 80 matches in junior.I don't know what thread it was but I remember that a poster, darrinbaker (spelling??) I think, confirmed that.

Donny
Oct 5th, 2007, 02:06 PM
now this is the definition of a backhanded compliment. :rolleyes:

actually, i've only heard people talk about her poor technique on her forehand (which has improved dramatically) and her second serve, so I wouldn't call that a lot of shots.

I'll explain myself.

As we all know, Venus can play very bad matches sometimes. Hitting way more errors than winners, tons of dfs, etc.

Mental toughness or choking is not the problem, I think we can safely say. So what is it? I personally think it's hertechnique on shots.

Her FH and BH have relatively long backswings for a fastcourt player. Especially her FH. That requires a great amount of timing if you want to hit shots properly. And when the timing isn't there...

Not only that, but her serve has too much motion, resulting in a low first serve percentage and dfs a lot of the time. She bobs her head too much, decelerates at the point of impact, arms it to much on second serves, etc.

And it wasn't a backhanded compliment, really. I don't technique very important if you can win matches. Sorry if you tok it that way.

ThreeDT
Oct 5th, 2007, 02:09 PM
My list is in no particular order.
Rules:
* Current Activity
* 5 proven players
* 5 rising players

Venus Williams
Serena Williams
Justine Henin
Amelie Mauresmo
Martina Hingis
Anna Chakvetadze
Agnes Szavay
Ioana Raluca Olaru
Caroline Wozniaki
Tamira Paszek

Il Primo!
Oct 5th, 2007, 02:13 PM
My list
Venus
Serena
Hingis
Myskina
Hénin
Masha
Lindsay
Ana
Nicole
Sveta


Hénin is more a very hard worker than anything IMO. She has talent, nobody can deny it but not more than anybody.

ThreeDT
Oct 5th, 2007, 02:21 PM
Hénin is more a very hard worker than anything IMO. She has talent, nobody can deny it but not more than anybody.
I agree. She's incredibly fit and a great trainer, but she also has some of the best shots in the book. Tennis is a very mental game and this is probably where her weakness is. It's hard to say exactly how because her mentality with the little yellow ball is superb, it's another mentality with her surroundings that can be broke down IMHO. :tape:

Edit: Then again, same with John Mcenroe and he had massive talent.

DemWilliamsGulls
Oct 5th, 2007, 02:29 PM
1. Venus
2. Serena
3. Sharapova
4. Henin
5. Davenport
6. Mauresmo
7. Henin
8. Jankovic
9. Ivonovic
10.Schyder

Mudbone
Oct 5th, 2007, 02:34 PM
1. Venus
2. Serena
3. Henin
4. Kuznetsova
5. Mauresmo
6. Ivanovic
7. Vaidisova
8. Jankovic
9. Szavay
10.Sharapova

RenaSlam.
Oct 5th, 2007, 02:39 PM
Henin
Serena
Venus
Hingis
Kuznetsova
Mauresmo
Ivanovic
Jankovic
Schynder
Sharapova

homogenius
Oct 5th, 2007, 02:47 PM
Hingis
Mauresmo
Henin
Serena
Pierce
Schnyder
Venus
Davenport
Ivanovic
Jankovic

merda2004
Oct 5th, 2007, 02:50 PM
i will not give my top ten but will mention only one. eleni daniilidou. she's got talent and that doesnt come only for me but it comes from the commentators on eurosport as well. so many times they mentioned that she is a talent but....there is something missing. for me what is missing is a good coach!!!!

Slutiana
Oct 5th, 2007, 05:13 PM
1. Venus
2. Serena
3. Martina
4. Amelie
5. Justine
6. Schnyder
7. Sveta
8. Jankovic
9. Golovin
10. Radwanska

Geisha
Oct 5th, 2007, 05:19 PM
Hingis has to be #1 right now.

I think Venus is full of talent, but she also has incredible physical skills that people don't recognize enough.

Henin is talented, as well. But, she uses "gameplan" to win matches more than any of the other players. So, what may seem like an incredible backhand winner, was really just great gameplay.

Mauresmo is quite talented, if it weren't for her countless mishits.

Sharapova is talented at hititng the ball very hard and playing consistently.

Serena is the most talented. Who can win matches, several pounds overweight, without being exceptionally talented.

tennis_lover89
Oct 5th, 2007, 05:25 PM
1-Hingis
2-Henin
3-V.Williams
4-Serena
5-Sharapova
6-Schnyder
7-Vaidisova
8-Jankovic
9-Ivanovic
10-Chakvetadze

only_one_maria
Oct 5th, 2007, 07:00 PM
Why has no-one mentioned Kirilenko?

As a junior she was the number 1 player in the world in her age group (ahead of Sharapova, Ivanovic, Chakvetadze). She had 18 months without a proper coach through 2006-07 and it showed but i predict she will have a big 2008. She has a top class all-court game.

sweetpeas
Oct 5th, 2007, 07:08 PM
Serena
Venus
HINGIS

sweetpeas
Oct 5th, 2007, 07:10 PM
Serena
Venus
HINGIS
LIMDSAY
JUSTINE
AMELIE
PATTY
ANA
JJ
MARIA

Venus+Serena#1fan
Oct 5th, 2007, 07:29 PM
I think "talent" is a difficult word to apply to tennis.
I mean what good is a player who has nice hands, great feel, natural timing if they can't convert it into hitting winners, winning points and winning matches?

I think it's better to match up people's game when saying Who is top 10 if they play at their absoloute best?
1. serena
2. venus
3. henin
5. ivanovic
6. sharapova
7. svetlana
8. jelena
9. mauresmo (has ALOT of talent but I feel if the others play their best, beautiful and talent filled as her game is she wouldn't beat them
10.Elena D

Hingie
Oct 6th, 2007, 02:25 AM
:lol: at those lists without Hingis.

I mean if the girl didn't have this incredible gift for tennis, there's no way she would have five slams and over 40 tour titles.

She's petite, doesn't have incredible power, no booming serve. There's so much going against her, yet she's done incredibly well for herself (well not lately but over her career).

I have to put it down to those posters not having seen her play in her prime. :confused:

Dementieva_Dude
Oct 6th, 2007, 03:36 AM
Hingis
Venus
Serena
Mauresmo
Henin
Davenport
Pierce
Dementieva
Ivanovic
Schnyder

Apoleb
Oct 6th, 2007, 03:41 AM
errr... "bashing" the ball can not be taught, especially not when it's done consistently hard and in the court. :lol: In that respect, Maria, Serena, Lindsay and Venus all have a lot of natural talent to be able to "bash" the ball consistently enough to win GS.

I'm not going to do a top 10, but Justine easily ranks at #1 for me. That backhand = all natural. Add to that her ability to perform every shot in the game and her versatility..etc, she's easily #1 for me. But I think this whole thing is relatively subjective too.

stevos
Oct 6th, 2007, 03:58 AM
Talent IS totally subjective.
I don't even know where to start.
But yes, Hingis is extremely talented.

DA FOREHAND
Oct 6th, 2007, 05:50 AM
I'm going to include all players I've seen. In no order:

Martina Navratilova
Monica Seles
Martina Hingis
Venus Williams
Serena Williams
Lindsay Davenport
Amelie Mauresmo
Justine Henin
Elena Dementieva
Kim Clijsters

Martina, Monica, and Serena are basically the three best players I've ever seen, and I don't think any of those need explanations, but I just want to say, yet again, Kim Clijsters is probably the biggest waste of potential I've ever seen, excluding Elena. Just. Could do anything on court, and didn't even have the desire to do it. Terrible.

you saw Navratilova, but not Graf?

TheBoiledEgg
Oct 6th, 2007, 05:57 AM
I read not a long time ago that she played something like 80 matches in junior.I don't know what thread it was but I remember that a poster, darrinbaker (spelling??) I think, confirmed that.

she never played proper junior events on ITF.
even Brie Whitehead could win matches on the USTA local junior circuit.

So Disrespectful
Oct 6th, 2007, 05:59 AM
Molik is underrated as a talent!

homogenius
Oct 6th, 2007, 06:29 AM
she never played proper junior events on ITF.
even Brie Whitehead could win matches on the USTA local junior circuit.

There's a myth saying that she never played and was undefeated before becoming a pro.Apparently she played some patches and was indeed defeated in some of them (the fact that it was on a weak circuit is even worse).I often read that she came from nowhere when she started her career at Oackland tournie, and it's just not true.

Volcana
Oct 6th, 2007, 06:37 AM
talent = what you're born with, mental, physical, emotional
skill = what you learn, forehand, backhand, serve, etc

Venus Williams is the most talented player in the WTA. She is not the most skilled.

homogenius
Oct 6th, 2007, 06:49 AM
talent = what you're born with, mental, physical, emotional
skill = what you learn, forehand, backhand, serve, etc

Venus Williams is the most talented player in the WTA. She is not the most skilled.

It's not totally true.Players like Gasquet, Henin, Mauresmo or Leconte, have/had a capacity of hitting some backands that look like "e-t shots".The anticipation and "eye" of players like Agassi on return, or the young Hingis are not only due to training.They have something that others haven't.If not, every player could learn how to return like Agassi or hit a backand like Gasquet, but it's not the case.
On Venus, I would say that she's one of most talented physically (like Clijsters for example).