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mn73
Jul 16th, 2002, 11:33 PM
Sorry if this has been discussed - I have been away for some days.

Why is Martina Hingis going to ask for a wildcard if she is fit by the US Open when she could have entered the event and withdrawn the week before if she knew she couldn't make it. Wildcards are opportunities for young players to make a breakthrough or get some big match experience.

Do players get fined for withdrawing at the last minute with legitimate injuries.

I don't understand why she didn't just enter if she was hopeful of being fit enough?

Ryan
Jul 16th, 2002, 11:41 PM
Because commiting when there is a likely chance of not playing is breaking the commitment. I know I'd rather have Hingis take a WC then some unknown, and she'd get much farther anyhow.

Mark43
Jul 16th, 2002, 11:51 PM
I think Martina does not want to put unneeded pressure on herself by commiting so early to the Open. A wildcard enables her to wait until the very last moment possible to make the decision to play. She wants to be 100% fit. I think she feels the pressure of officially entering the US 6 weeks before it starts might push her to comeback before she is ready and possibly re-injure herself.

I, for one, say screw the up and comers...take the wildcard! That is, if she is fit and ready to go.

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 16th, 2002, 11:53 PM
silly question but is she guaranteed a wild card? I mean the tournament can say no, right?

venusfan
Jul 16th, 2002, 11:59 PM
Are you crazy..

Grandma and attention seeker Navratilova gets a wildcard in the year 2002 and Hingis is denied?

Ryan
Jul 17th, 2002, 12:00 AM
I'm pretty sure WildCards are given otu very last minute, and if they are I doubt they would ever refure to give a top player a WC.

moon
Jul 17th, 2002, 12:15 AM
I guess some new up and comer will just be SOL. ;)

Vanity
Jul 17th, 2002, 12:17 AM
Why doesn't Martina just enter now? She can always pull out if she feels she can't play.

Ryan
Jul 17th, 2002, 12:23 AM
She said she didn't want to put any pressure on herself. BY commiting to play, she would want to even if she wasn't up to it. But, by taking a WC only if she's ready then there's no presusre to over excercise or practise.

smygelfh
Jul 17th, 2002, 12:25 AM
It's great for the 129th ranked or so to not have to qualify.

*roddicksinme*
Jul 17th, 2002, 01:02 AM
I think is BS, I think its not too fair to the American player that will be denied the WC

Fingon
Jul 17th, 2002, 01:18 AM
Well, what people seem to forget is that there are 128 players that start the tournament right?

Well, if Martina commits now and withdraws later, or doesn't commit and doesn't play, it doesn't make any difference.

Now, if she doesn't commit and asks later for a wildcard, true, she takes one away from an american junior but at the same time, she is letting her place to a player to enter the maindraw that otherwise would have to qualify.

In anycase, if Martina plays, through commitment or wildcard, she is taking a place of someone else, doesn't she? what difference does it make if it's a wildcard or someone who should have entered through the ranking?

treufreund
Jul 17th, 2002, 01:28 AM
Excellent post Fingon. A couple of people are just looking for something to whine about.

ASTRID
Jul 17th, 2002, 01:33 AM
lol @ treufreund i totally agree

Martina was'nt ready to submit her application by the deadline 15th of July for the U.S open and it's still unsure she will play. So the Only way to play in the U.S if she does feel better just before the Open starts is with a wildcard.
Is that so bad ?

Martina Forever

Volcana
Jul 17th, 2002, 01:35 AM
It's a business decision either way. They don't give those young American players those wildcards for nothing. They expect to draw more people to the tournament and the TV set with those players. THose players friends and family will support the USTA and ITF. The sneaker companies, etc that sponsor players also pay the USTA and ITF sponsirship money at tournaments. It's a tangled web driven by cold, hard cash.

Usually, the American player will draw more fannies and TV viewers. However, Martina Hingis will draw far better than any qualifier. That means money.

Don't confuse the tournament organizers with philanthropists. There job is to maximize revenue, and increase it every year. If they paid a bit more attention to player development instead of being stone cold focused on the bottom line, American men's tennis wouldn't be headed into a f*cking pit. Roddick is as likely to injured his way to out-of-the-top-20-most-of-it career as to win a GS. Blake has everything he needs t be the next Tiger Woods but enough talent. A Pete Sampras who went to Harvard and was on the cover of GQ is a hot property. A Jan Michael Vincent who went to Harvard and was on the cover of GQ is ... James Blake.

These people can't even spell fair. It certainly doesn't interest them. Unless the 'fair' is a monetary denomination in a small Caribbean country.

Fingon
Jul 17th, 2002, 01:37 AM
Originally posted by cybelledarkholmexx
silly question but is she guaranteed a wild card? I mean the tournament can say no, right?

ahem, if Martina Hingis, Lindsay Davenport, Monica Seles, Jennifer Capriati, Venus Williams, Serena Williams, Anna Kournikova, Daniela Hantuchova, Amelie Mauresmo, Mary Pierce, ASV, Conchita Martinez, Justine Henin, Kim Clijsters ask for a wildcard, I can bet my ass they are gonna get it, do you think tournaments organizers are stupid? (in a second thought, they are but not that stupid)

*roddicksinme*
Jul 17th, 2002, 01:41 AM
well since it is a US tournament, I feel the US player should get the chance!!

Dawn Marie
Jul 17th, 2002, 01:45 AM
I am with Hingis on this one. I mean if it were Venus vying for a WC in Australia I would be behind her.

Bottom Line: the best players get first dibs and it doesn't matter anyway as a Williams will win this.;):)

treufreund
Jul 17th, 2002, 01:48 AM
well there are a lot of nationalities like swiss for example who don't have a grand slam so it's not like they get wildcards automatically at some other grand slam.

*roddicksinme*
Jul 17th, 2002, 01:49 AM
SHE DOESN'T NEED A WILD CARD!

Lubidani
Jul 17th, 2002, 01:55 AM
in response to glcacic,

YES BUT SHE CAN GET ONE IF SHE WANTS TO AND STOP ACTING LIKE YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE'S BECAUSE THEY REALLY AREN'T!!!!

heidi2
Jul 17th, 2002, 01:57 AM
@ treufreund I agree with you !

Who needs these people !

MARTI ALWAY'S FOREVER :o !

Lubidani
Jul 17th, 2002, 01:57 AM
In response to Mark Newman and his choice of thread title,


You can't steAl something from someone unless they already had possesion of it ;)

*roddicksinme*
Jul 17th, 2002, 02:05 AM
how am I acting like my arguements are better than everyone??

all I am saying is she can enter and give to WC to who it would normally go to, a young american, that is how it always is and it is nice to see them get a chance to play at the Open

disposablehero
Jul 17th, 2002, 02:18 AM
Absolutely brilliant Mark. No less than genius. A little reset on the bitching about Navratilova, I assume. :cool:

ys
Jul 17th, 2002, 02:33 AM
Former champion will always get a wildcard at Slam, that's a rule. And I really prefer to see some struggling #105 in direct acceptance and some guaranteed little precious prziemoney, rather than some US juniors. OK, they will give it again to Ashley, they will give it again to Bethany, just like an year ago.. What will it change? After the Open they will still be losing to juniors younger than them. Just like this year.

Dawn Marie
Jul 17th, 2002, 02:45 AM
Ys for once has me laughing. you know for some weird reason I don't care for any of these up and coming American players. Except for Jamea Jackson and Shadisha Robinson. I don't care for the overhyped Ashley nor that Laura Granville I am more into the young Russian players and Angie Widija (spell check) and that Elena Danillidou basically anyone who is not American. And you know what I think of Andy Roddick... he sucks. Since he beat Chang at the Oz open, (I think it was) he has been on my shit list.;):)

CoryAnnAvants#1
Jul 17th, 2002, 02:52 AM
I agree that Hingis should def get a wildcard. She will take full advantage of it unlike many that do get the WC's. However, as far as the "silly juniors" who get the WC's, I think they deserve it more IMO than the journeywomen who often get them. The reason these juniors get them is so they get the experience of playing in the big leagues and can eventually get in on their own merit (Laura Granville and Melien Tu for example) It seems way more practical to give Bethanie Mattek or Cory Ann Avants a wildcard than Mashona Washington or Erika DeLone. In general, WCs almost always crash out in round 1, round 2 if you're lucky. Isn't it more practical to give it to someone who can grow from them than to someone who will go to back to play in anywhere, usa for the rest of their career?

selesfan
Jul 17th, 2002, 03:51 AM
Excellent post Fingon. A couple of people are just looking for something to whine about.

LMAO! You should know about whining, being so experienced in it yourself.:p

treufreund
Jul 17th, 2002, 04:31 AM
wa wa wa (whining loudly at selesfan's mean post) actually I am really starting to love you selesfan. you really are a fun person. :D

LucasArg
Jul 17th, 2002, 05:30 AM
I really don't think she will play US Open. :rolleyes:

Ms Tracy Austin
Jul 17th, 2002, 06:17 AM
Originally posted by venusfan
Are you crazy..

Grandma and attention seeker Navratilova gets a wildcard in the year 2002 and Hingis is denied?

Don't start comparing Martina's, the one you like pales in comparison. ;)

Crazy Canuck
Jul 17th, 2002, 06:35 AM
I cannot even beleive that people are suggesting that a US Player, ranked in the 500's somewhere, who till be lucky not to get a bagel in the first round, should be awarded a wild card over a player who will still be in the top ten.

If they US Open ever did that, I would sell back my tickets, and refuse to even follow the tournament.

For the people who are saying this, how would you feel if Jenn Cap, or Lindsay, or Venus asked for a wild card into Wimbledon or Roland Garros - or some tournament of that stature where they had reached the semi finals every year since 1996 - to be denied by someone who has accomplished nothing, and who likely, never will.

Lisbeth
Jul 17th, 2002, 08:11 AM
I don't think she'll play again this year, or at least until carpet season.

However, if she want to play she deserves a wild card. She's more likely to put on a good show than any other wc candidate, and the fans want to see her. Aren't they two of the main reasons for giving out wildcards at all? Sure letting junior "home teamers" have a go at the big time is another reason but it's not the only one - and this would not be the only wildcard. It's a Goran situation, but more so.

Beat
Jul 17th, 2002, 10:10 AM
Originally posted by Fingon
Well, what people seem to forget is that there are 128 players that start the tournament right?

Well, if Martina commits now and withdraws later, or doesn't commit and doesn't play, it doesn't make any difference.

Now, if she doesn't commit and asks later for a wildcard, true, she takes one away from an american junior but at the same time, she is letting her place to a player to enter the maindraw that otherwise would have to qualify.

In anycase, if Martina plays, through commitment or wildcard, she is taking a place of someone else, doesn't she? what difference does it make if it's a wildcard or someone who should have entered through the ranking?

I thinks this sums it up pretty well.
martina playing = somebody else not playing
martina not playing = somebody else playing

and who cares if that somebody is no. 300 or no. 120? thinking about it, I'd rather see the no. 120 get in without having to qualify.

PamShriver
Jul 17th, 2002, 01:25 PM
It also just looks better to take a wildcard if you are uncertain than to enter and then withdraw. There is no fine for not taking a WC into an event or not entering it at all. There is a monetery fine, however, for withdrawing from an event. Obviously, the WTA prefers one situation to the other.

Experimentee
Jul 17th, 2002, 01:38 PM
I'm starting to think that it isnt really fair that Grand Slams only give wildcards to players from their country. It just disadvantages lower ranked players from the countries that dont have a Grand Slam, because US, French, Australian and British players all get that valuable experience. I like how the Australian Open has a wildcard reserved for an Asian player, i think there should be more like that.

griffin
Jul 17th, 2002, 01:49 PM
I really, really doubt that they'd try to fine Hingis is she entered the main draw and then withdrew in the end because she wasn't ready. After 6+ months they're going to accuse her of FAKING it?

Don't think so.

But if the wildcard option is more comfortable for her at this point, she's earned that right. As about a dozen people have said, if she plays, someone else doesn't, if she skips, someone else gets in. The "how" is a petty detail.

PamShriver
Jul 17th, 2002, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by griffin
I really, really doubt that they'd try to fine Hingis is she entered the main draw and then withdrew in the end because she wasn't ready. After 6+ months they're going to accuse her of FAKING it?

Don't think so.

But if the wildcard option is more comfortable for her at this point, she's earned that right. As about a dozen people have said, if she plays, someone else doesn't, if she skips, someone else gets in. The "how" is a petty detail.

The fine is mandatory for any player who withdraws from an event. It's not a matter of whether the injury was real or imagined, if a player withdraws from an event they are fined. It's a standard policy of the WTA tour.

tennischick
Jul 17th, 2002, 02:38 PM
Originally posted by Volcana
...These people can't even spell fair. It certainly doesn't interest them. Unless the 'fair' is a monetary denomination in a small Caribbean country.

what small Caribbean country Volcana? did you have a particular one in mind? :confused: :confused:

*roddicksinme*
Jul 17th, 2002, 04:39 PM
just to clear it up, I wasnt saying the American should get the wild card OVER Hingis, I just think that if there is a possibility of playing, she should commit and give the WC to who it would normally go to

harloo
Jul 17th, 2002, 05:09 PM
I agree with glaciac, because Martina really doesn't need a wild card. She can just pull out a week ahead of time if something goes wrong. It's not like she's out of the top ten, and needs to qualify for the draw. I say give it to the struggling players who can't keep the ball in the court.:hearts: :D

Sophie
Jul 17th, 2002, 06:01 PM
Don't forget Ivanisevic got a WC into Wimbledon last year and won. Tournament organizers can give a WC to whomever they choose, and I certainly think Hingis' would get one if she asks for it.

FP
Jul 17th, 2002, 07:06 PM
it's not always the case Mark when the wild card is given to young and promissing couple months ago or even less we had Martina Navratilova getting a wild card, is she also young and promising:rolleyes:

Raj
Jul 17th, 2002, 07:09 PM
BORING!
Top players getting a wildcard coming back from injury are exceptions.
For that matter why isn't everyone debating the kournikova issue.
How many wildcards has she had into tournaments?
loads!

Couver
Jul 17th, 2002, 09:09 PM
I think she should get the wild card if she wants it. I mean she doesn't need it, but if that's what she wants to do. Plus I think she knows entering tournaments and then pulling out gets people all bitchy. Better to decline a wild card than drop out of the draw.