Who has had the greater career - DOKIC vs. MOLIK?

I think that this is an interesting question. I look forward to reading your posts. Don't forget to vote!!

Is this a joke? Dokic.

Clearly Dokic.

Is this a joke? Dokic.

Well Alicia is the former World No.8. She has won 5 WTA Singles titles, 7 WTA Doubles titles (including two grand slams), reached the final of 3 Mixed Doubles Grand Slam finals and won almost $US3 million. She has also performed better than Dokic over the last four or five years.

There is absolutely no question: Jelena Dokic.

Dokic. Molik doesn't even come close.

Well Alicia is the former World No.8. She has won 5 WTA Singles titles, 7 WTA Doubles titles (including two grand slams), reached the final of 3 Mixed Doubles Grand Slam finals and won almost $US3 million. She has also performed better than Dokic over the last four or five years.

Dokic highest ranking was n°4.She had better results at slams, won 2 Tier1 and made others finals of T1 and T2.The only big result of Molik is her win in Zurich.

Dokic, no contest.

Obviously Dokic, had more quality wins than Alicia, number 4 in 2002...

Molik.. Dokic was great but she was only ranked so high cause she played so many tournies (aka jelena)... Alicia has won 2 GS doubles Titles, 5 titles inc 1 tier1, ranked no.8 in world, and is genuinly a better long term performer

and is genuinly a better long term performer

That's not really true at all. Molik only spent a short time in the top ten, while diokic spent years near the top.

Dokic, easily. Well, if you restrict it to singles.

If you take doubles into account, I still say Dokic though.

Def. Dokic....not only did Dokic reach grandslam semi's, quarters several times...she was more consistant beating top players than Molik was...Dokic got to number 4...so she lost in the bronze medal match that Alicia later got...but she won 2 or 3 tier 1's? And many high level tournaments and got to finals consistantly...as far as Molik her great run at AUssie Open and Zurich....hmmmmmm

Dokic

cosidering dokic career is OVER and shes YOUNGER

Alicia :):):)

um, alicia's career is far from over. You can't compare it to someone who is most probably not going to play again and who has been playing for longer.

Dokic without a doubt

Dokic. But if Alicia had not got that infection, she probably would have caught up to Dokic now.

If it wasn't for the ear infection Alicia would have had a better career. People are forgetting that Alicia won bronze at the Olympics.

Alicia

If it wasn't for the ear infection Alicia would have had a better career. People are forgetting that Alicia won bronze at the Olympics.

And Dokic got to the bronze medal match herself and lost to a better player in Seles.
Dokic also made it to a major semifinal and 2 QF's.
She's won bigger titles too.
And even in her short singles career, she's made more than a million dollars more than Alicia's lengthy singles and doubles career. That says something.

Well Alicia hasn't finished her career yet so who knows :)
But at the moment Dokic has the better career. Shes been in the Top 5, won two Tier I titles, a Tier II title & has reached 3 GS QF's (1 SF).

Alicia on the other hand (her achievements are fanatstic nonetheless) has only been at No.8 in the world, has won zurich (tier I) & sydney (tier II) along with one GS QF. that is just not enough to overtake dokic for the moment.

But for current form at the moment Alicia would overide Dokic easily.

Dokic :kiss:

No contest - Dokic.

Grand Slams:
Dokic - SF-1, QF-2, 4R-4, 3R-3, 2R-4, 1R-8
Molik - QF-1, 4R-1, 3R-8, 2R-7, 1R-16

YEC:
Dokic - QF-2
Molik - DNP

Olympics:
Dokic - SF
Molik - SF

Tier I:
Dokic - W-2, RU-2, SF-2, QF-6
Molik - W-1

Tier II:
Dokic - W-1, RU-4, SF-7, QF-8
Molik - W-1, RU-1, SF-1, QF-2

Weeks in Top-10:
Dokic - 82
Molik - 22

duh..!!
of course
Jelena..!!
Dokic of course...

she was a top player
she was competing with the toughest player out there..
she had lots of top ten wins..
alicia molik
was a top player in the last end of 04 and begining of 05
where Venus/Serena/Justine/Clijsters
werent at their best...

duh..!!
of course
Jelena..!!
Dokic of course...

she was a top player
she was competing with the toughest player out there..
she had lots of top ten wins..
alicia molik
was a top player in the last end of 04 and begining of 05
where Venus/Serena/Justine/Clijsters
werent at their best...

it's a little exaggeration though. Dokic scored 13 Top-10 wins, Molik - 8.

Dokić won more tournaments
Dokić was better ranked (way better)

So the answer is simple :shrug:

Dokić won more tournaments
Dokić was better ranked (way better)

So the answer is simple :shrug:

Both won 5 tournaments.

i totally luv leesh but jelly's had the better career. :)

What exactly is the point of questions like this one? It makes everyone involved look stupid:

1. The thread starter because it's a stupid question.
2. The Molik fans trying to proof that Molik has had better results, which she hasn't.
3. The Dokic fans answering "Dokic, duh! No comparison at all, Dokic so great omggggggg" when in reality Dokic's life is totally fucked and no one knows what she's doing while Molik is out there trying and fighting after a terrible debilitating illness.

The point is that maybe, just maybe Dokic would be better off right now if she hadn't had the results she had at a very young age, as these were achieved under the influence of an abusive (in one way or another) crazy father. And then the Bikic's wouldn't have tried to hook up with her either.
So when you Dokic fans defend her career and "achievements", you are pretty much defending the things that led to her demise. So I don't think you are doing her a favour with that.
Not to mention that it is just ridiculous to mention "Dokic's career" and "great" in the same sentence. There is nothing great in someone going from a talented player to a messed-up person living in obscurity.

Compare it to Molik, who made slow progress for many years and then with hard work and determination (in this alone she's miles ahead of Dokic) improved greatly and became a real contender within the top 10. That is a great achievement alone. Add to that the way she handled herself during the months of inactivity, and now coming back to win a GS title in doubles - I think you are justified in calling that "great".

So if you really really need an answer to this stupid question: Yeah, Molik has the greater career. By far.

Dokic was a top player, or thereabouts, from 1999 to 2003. Her peak years were 2001-2002, and a few highlights in an otherwise dire 2003.

Jelena Dokic was a bit of a flash in the pan, but she defeated Seles, Capriati, Clijsters, Venus, Sanchez-Vicario among others in those years. So she did very well during that relatively short spell, and was respected by her fellow competitors as a dangerous player.

Alicia Molik was a flash in the pan for reasons to which I'm more sympathetic, and it's a tragedy that such a classy player was cut off in her prime in that manner. But thus far, she has achieved less than Dokic, in my opinion, in terms of highest ranking, career wins, tournament victories, grandslam record.

So, Dokic is my choice.

Both won 5 tournaments.

Sorry, I meant to say Dokić won bigger titles :)

What exactly is the point of questions like this one? It makes everyone involved look stupid:

1. The thread starter because it's a stupid question.
2. The Molik fans trying to proof that Molik has had better results, which she hasn't.
3. The Dokic fans answering "Dokic, duh! No comparison at all, Dokic so great omggggggg" when in reality Dokic's life is totally fucked and no one knows what she's doing while Molik is out there trying and fighting after a terrible debilitating illness.

The point is that maybe, just maybe Dokic would be better off right now if she hadn't had the results she had at a very young age, as these were achieved under the influence of an abusive (in one way or another) crazy father. And then the Bikic's wouldn't have tried to hook up with her either.
So when you Dokic fans defend her career and "achievements", you are pretty much defending the things that led to her demise. So I don't think you are doing her a favour with that.
Not to mention that it is just ridiculous to mention "Dokic's career" and "great" in the same sentence. There is nothing great in someone going from a talented player to a messed-up person living in obscurity.

Compare it to Molik, who made slow progress for many years and then with hard work and determination (in this alone she's miles ahead of Dokic) improved greatly and became a real contender within the top 10. That is a great achievement alone. Add to that the way she handled herself during the months of inactivity, and now coming back to win a GS title in doubles - I think you are justified in calling that "great".

So if you really really need an answer to this stupid question: Yeah, Molik has the greater career. By far.
I've never agreed with you concerning Dokic as much as I do with this post.

That said - based on RESULTS alone, I'd still take Dokic's career over Molik's. But if you take into account all the extraneous factors that led them to where they are today... obviously Molik is the more positive story LOL.

Also, it's not fair to act like the things Dokic did achieve are completely moot now just because of what she's turned into. She still achieved what she achieved, and that's more than most players can dream of. Her career, results-wise, has been more than respectable. At least give her some credit for that.

What exactly is the point of questions like this one? It makes everyone involved look stupid:

1. The thread starter because it's a stupid question.
2. The Molik fans trying to proof that Molik has had better results, which she hasn't.
3. The Dokic fans answering "Dokic, duh! No comparison at all, Dokic so great omggggggg" when in reality Dokic's life is totally fucked and no one knows what she's doing while Molik is out there trying and fighting after a terrible debilitating illness.

The point is that maybe, just maybe Dokic would be better off right now if she hadn't had the results she had at a very young age, as these were achieved under the influence of an abusive (in one way or another) crazy father. And then the Bikic's wouldn't have tried to hook up with her either.
So when you Dokic fans defend her career and "achievements", you are pretty much defending the things that led to her demise. So I don't think you are doing her a favour with that.
Not to mention that it is just ridiculous to mention "Dokic's career" and "great" in the same sentence. There is nothing great in someone going from a talented player to a messed-up person living in obscurity.

Compare it to Molik, who made slow progress for many years and then with hard work and determination (in this alone she's miles ahead of Dokic) improved greatly and became a real contender within the top 10. That is a great achievement alone. Add to that the way she handled herself during the months of inactivity, and now coming back to win a GS title in doubles - I think you are justified in calling that "great".

So if you really really need an answer to this stupid question: Yeah, Molik has the greater career. By far.

Great post! You hit the nail on the head! :)

GoDominique bad repped me for my post, saying "She probably doesn't have a penny right now though."

If that's what we're going on, then we should completely disregard the achievements of a lot of players like Boris Becker, Althea Gibson, and Suzanne Lenglen (not to mention the dozens of other successful pros who have died penniless).

You're such a Dokic hater (for why, who knows, who cares?) that reading your posts on the subject is such a waste of time. You said yourself that she acheieved a lot more, and we're talking about tennis, so that's what matters.

And you make it sound like Jelena has turned to prostitution and drug trafficing or something. She struggles with motivation, funds, and finding help to guide her "career". She's lost her way. How many people do you know who bounce from job to job or have a professional degree but have no stimulus to ever use it? Many people face these types of situations in their lives and don't have nearly as much to show for it as Jelena does. And even if she didn't work another day in her life, she's a beautiful woman who could easily find someone to partner with.

I really don't think Jelena regrets the hard work she put into her tennis with her father, and I really don't think her life would be that much better if she'd never picked up a racquet. I guess that's where we differ.

Jelena = Britney :help: :sad:

Dokic by miles.